$60,000 Off-Road Truck Battle: Ram Rebel vs GMC Sierra AT4 vs Texas Mud

( www.TFLtruck.com ) We take the new high-tech off-road trucks: Ram 1500 Rebel and a GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 on a Texas off-road course to see which one is best at around $60,000.
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[@4-LOW]

TFL was the first media outlet that actually did REAL offroad testing of vehicles. That's what earned their respect. These guys don't jump curbs at the mall and call it an offroad review. Thumbs up.

[@unknownunknowns]

And they also did it in 4K, or just one of the earliest media outlets, and that does make a big difference when watch it through you 40” 4K TV. Yes, I think that’s why the sale of pickups and SUVs have soared while luxury cars in the same price bracket have plummeted.

[@dchawk81]

Suck up much?

[@mattpettit9428]

Just bought a 2019 AT4 6.2L with 1000 miles on it. I love it. every upgrade available including speaker in tailgate. 52k out the door.

[@ZmannR2]

Man I really wanted that truck and had a chance to grab one with that 6.2/10-speed but I just couldn’t get over that interior.....when you sit in the Rebel, it just feels light years ahead in quality and tech

[@chubbychicken5585]

@@ZmannR2 wait till the 2021 GMC comes out, my father picked up a 2019 Denali with the 6.2L. The power train is smooth, gas milage great and it drives and rides amazing. All that said the interior looks like a work truck not a $80k (Canadian) vehicle. GMC dropped the ball on the AT4/Denali interior big time and apparently the 2021/22 models will have a new interior similar to the Yukon/Escalade

[@jdsleesman7287]

When I bought my 2019 rebel even the dealer told me you don't want the air ride. You will save yourself about another $3k not getting it too. Definatly loving my ram!!!!

[@WilliamStewart1]

Smart choice, great truck but those air systems will give you nothing but headaches in the long run if you live anywhere except a temperate climate.

[@Flydevice1]

Air is good for the limited and longhorn, for comfort and luxury, but for off road, springs work better. Easy to mod in the future.

[@xz23e]

Dear TFL my friend bought a ram rebel the other day and as i was comparing the features I realized that the rebel is more comparable to a ford fx4 package than it is a raptor. I am writing this comment because on your channel you guys do an incredible job of testing the off road models off road, but for those of us who will never be able to afford such expensive vehicles but could potentially afford a ford fx4 or a gmc equivalent I would like to see you guys test the offroad packages and see how they stack up. Side note i have been a fan for many years and highly enjoy your content.

[@CopCat34]

Great info video. After watching the video I still couldn’t decide which one to purchase. Both seemed to nail the mud course pretty equally. Since I have a family to haul around I guess I would look for interior volume, USB outlets and seat comfort.

[@rossg4788]

Always a very complete review. Enjoyed it. I'm still trying to decide which to get. Thanks Andre.

[@randyw5964]

I want the GMC !!!! Wish you could get that package in a standard cab short bed with the 6.2 and AT4 -That would be my dream truck!

[@RyanRKJ]

That 6.2 sounds so good.

[@bradhardy2629]

The Hemi sounds even better of course. The hemi rules the dragstrip. Top fuel & funny car all hemi engines every single one...

[@kevinbuja4373]

I have a 2019 Denali fully loaded with the 6.2. The AT4 wasn’t on the lot when I purchased the Denali. Had the AT4 been on the lot I would have bought that one. I like the 2” lift and the skid plates. Actually, I would order the AT4 with the 6’ bed,. When the gate is all the way down, there’s an inner part the tailgate that flips up, so that it can keep a load of sheet rock, plywood, any 4’x8’ piece of whatever, fly sliding out. And I would get the smaller engine; depending on driving conditions can run anywhere from 2-8 cylinders. And all the technology that’s on the Denali is available on the AT4. Having HUD (head’s up display), I could never go back to a vehicle w/o it. It’s incredibly helpful with navigation. Also, the camera mirror gives close to, if not more than 180 degree coverage. Between the side mirrors, and the camera mirror, I can see darn near everything. I leave the camera on all the time.

[@jakemehan2337]

Brad Hardy chevy makes the best racing engine and thats it hemis suck

[@bradhardy2629]

@@jakemehan2337 and your an ignorant wet behind the ears punk. Go to the NHRA drags . Look at all the top fuel cars . Yeah not one shitve. Dumb ass

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

@@bradhardy2629 do you even know what "hemi" means? 50 years ago when Dodge came out with hemispherical heads. Which today means nothing. It's like touting fuel injection. The GMC sounds much better than the Fiat.

[@youcanshootnow]

thats gotta be the best job in the world, driving those things like that.

[@codybrackett812]

I have to give TFL praise for this test. I am very happy the trucks where equipped with the same "give or take an inch" tires. IMO it removes them as a source of contention during the test. So we can focus on lockers & T/C goodies. 👍👍. Good job guys

[@WilliamStewart1]

That's strange that you can get a Power Wagon with 360 camera but not the rebel. It's such an underrated feature to be honest, trying to see over the hood of my 18 PW was a chore to say the least.

[@julianvalles7154]

These are the two trucks I’ve been debating and I’m SO HAPPY that you guys did this. My mind is made. Thank you!

[@johnrambo6302]

What is your choice?

[@julianvalles7154]

John Rambo the Rebel.

[@johnrambo6302]

@@julianvalles7154 right on! That's my choice too.

[@4strokefrosty]

@@julianvalles7154 yessir ur gonna love it 🤟😝

[@randybryant9936]

I really like the at4

[@RBZ06LT6]

Same Ive seen one in person yesterday. Sexy as hell. Looks even way better for real.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

leoaleromm yea, they're really nice just looked at one and considering it. Only thing is the seats are rock hard. I looked at the Chevy too and those are butt ugly!

[@RBZ06LT6]

John Doe i prefer the Silverado tho lol

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

leoaleromm lol

[@randybryant9936]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk the cloth seats are alot softer and you save money

[@iaquaaquatics4750]

I ordered my 2021 GMC Sierra AT4 2500. Can’t wait till my beast arrives.

[@billymc2681]

How did you like General Sam's? It's about 30 minutes from my house. A little surprised those trails are passable due to the flooding rains received in the last 2 weeks.

[@GTOGregory]

Andre had it correct in his description of the Rancho shocks. Nice ride on the highway. Personally, I've owned both Rancho and Bilstein shocks. The Bilstein's provide more damping control for rough roads.

[@hochhaul]

The better Bilsteins do. The cheaper ones Ram usually use aren't very good. The Ranchos suck. I wish GM and Ford would stop using them.

[@joemarino9848]

@@hochhaul a

[@Josh-ys4lt]

hochhaul they’re actually the same internals, the 5100’s are for any suspension or tire/wheel alterations. Basically if you lift or level a truck and/or have a bigger than stock tire size, that’s what they recommend. The 4600’s are for stock applications.

[@grandmasoffgridliving]

Thanks for the video.. but you forgot the diesel is now available in the 1500 at4

[@crazygixxerman]

Still can’t wrap my head around a damn pickup costing. $59,000 & $66,000 !!! Absolutely crazy!! I’ll wait until it’s is 2 years old and get it for half that!!😂😂.....

[@topfloorexec]

but then the new ones come out and they're better

[@kellyfontes7757]

1/2? good luck

[@R281]

Maybe after the coronavirus recession, but you usually have to wait longer to save that type of money.

[@sixtomidnight1492]

You can buy the Ram for half price in 2 years from the scrap yard 🤣

[@jeffmulder4227]

I just sold a 2017 Sierra SLE with just the SLE convenience package and the tow package and 60,000 miles for $31,000 so good luck.

[@yotaclay1342]

Hoot-hoot, this park is just outside my town lol. Never thought I'd see Huntsville on a major channel that didn't have something to do with our prison system.

[@TexStevo88]

Eat’em up Kats!

[@dustbucket7949]

Went to Sam and never knew this was here

[@yotaclay1342]

Yeah it's just outside town over on the Pilot truck stop end.

[@dustbucket7949]

No shit, well hell, looks like a fun place to go. I also worked at A-1 Liqour and Huntsville Liqour while I was at SHSU. Small ass world!! LoL

[@RamBayou1]

What park is it? I go through Huntsville often going to Austin from Louisiana. And for all of you Sam Houston State fans........Fork ‘Em! Go Demons!!

[@jlongjr27]

4:18 Next up is down an up hill. And after that up a down hill? Lol

[@dchristensen7254]

6.2 is all the choice i need, AT4 hands down Love it!

[@barynovacek5982]

I have went though your videos for a few months. I also went to car shows and been comparing trucks for over 6 months. The Ram Rebel was my second choice as I just this week bought the AT4. One of the biggest reasons is I have had 3 different cars with air suspensions. ALL 3 have had issues a few years in costing me many hours in a garage and money being fixed. And wouldn't you know it is always just after warranty is over that they bags and valves etc all go out. They ride great, adjust-ability is great, time is not a friend though. I also live in Colorado so if you would like to see my new AT4 Double Cab let me know. I had to import it from California to get it as Colorado Dealers don't seem to want to carry it.

[@bretz71]

You know you can get a Rebel without the air suspension, right?

[@UtahBigfoothunter]

Good review. You guys have the best job in the world.

[@armytruth6860]

I can't afford any of these rucks

[@bretz71]

Can’t afford to buy a “t” either, apparently.

[@RageHP-RageHorsePower]

Damn lol

[@TheWarpartyofone]

bretz71 😂🤣

[@bigbossman5969]

yeah u can just fo to the strip club a little less😂😂 u have to pay the cost to b the boss

[@RBZ06LT6]

bretz71 exactly what i was about to say.😂😂

[@spoonmonkey8971]

Tundra coming to say hi in the background haha ! BTW check the canadian TFL off road of the rebel vs tundra you will see the rebel work.

[@tonioii35]

Love my ram rebel just drove it from Chicago to CO in rough weather I approve!

[@FERGI12]

Hey are you still liking it 9 months later I’m thinking of buying one ?

[@0mackattack]

Recently it was announced that the 20 model will have some new tech and Microsoft or mods to the body/specs. Curious if the 5.3 will be mated with the 10 speed on the full size SUV'S for the 20 year model as well? TIA

[@bartekmedes8281]

That air suspension is the worst thing ever stop talking about it like its great. My buddy went through 3 air bags already and its 1000$ each at the dealer.

[@seniorjumper82]

I’m on my 2nd ram with air suspension and never had a problem.

[@Angel-zk5gi]

Jason because he’s lying lmao

[@tshearn624]

Ram has had all kinds of problems with their air ride suspension. Mainly not airing up when it gets cold.

[@muddyram]

I have the 2019 rebel and live in Ohio where it gets plenty cold. Never had an issue with the air bags

[@Flydevice1]

Save yourself 3k and get a rebel without air ride. Problem solved.

[@EpilepticBob]

I have an 2018 Sierra lol, wish I waited until the new look came out hahah

[@american_chevy616]

Just bought the Trail Boss Lt, not only do I love the look but I LOVE the truck. 59k

[@gbrewer1296]

they recorded this at general sams offroad park in huntsville TX thats awesome!

[@supermansr44]

What shocks would you recommend to replace those factory shocks?

[@stickdeathboy89]

Now I now where I’m going this weekend. It’s just 1hr away from where I live.

[@ryanmartinage]

Should be noted that you can add all the 4x4 rebel goodies to any trim of the 1500 (locker, skid plates, etc).

[@hochhaul]

You can do the same with the GM AT4/TB. The Trail Boss suspension parts are available as a kit. Same with the locker, skid plates, etc.

[@utahnavyvet8727]

I have owned a Rebel and currently have the 2020 version of the AT4 you have there and agree, they are very equal.

[@jaymoe5.7]

For $60k I'll buy an old truck and build it to be better than both. Prices of new trucks are honestly obsurd and I could never see myself paying that much for one

[@coreywhitaker6742]

Well put

[@skywalker2852]

Ok, Maybe I missed a, but what are the blue tires about?

[@TheStwat]

Great video but would be better with quieter background music, in my opinion :)

[@upshifter5316]

5:45 Doesn’t everyone get much stiffer when fully extended?

[@ej1025]

Would rather get the Ram Power Wagon 2500 over these two, but I will never pay that much for any of these trucks or take out a loan...

[@OliG2]

Exactly! If you're going to get a REAL off-road truck and use it accordingly, for a similar price I'd get the Power Wagon for sure!

[@sarrum7696]

Cool video :)

[@shane401]

The Rebel interior is bad ass I wish there was a option to get Rebel interior in a regular model I dont like the look of a rebel

[@Hotitalianman]

Ok here is my question: All of you have tested 1/2 ton trucks on your channel. Which one would you choose and why? I am looking to buy one and trust your judgment. Please respond. I would appreciate it.

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Both beautiful truck's! But cant afford either of them!

[@anthonyj810]

Well even the 2007-2013 and 2014-2018 trucks are very good I actually prefer the way they look and their interior as well. The 2015-18 Denali HD is so nice in metallic red and blue I made it my goal to have one someday.

[@creigmacc]

Was at a GMC dealership in Pennsylvania recently they had 7 AT4s. Not one had the 6.2, yet they always seem to find one for the tests. Actually not one GMC truck had the 6.2. Or to put it another way, where are the 5.3 testers? Apparently they were all sent to fill dealers lots.

[@totalglitch]

Does this have front and rear locking differential like the zr2?

[@gearanalyzer]

I want to see that Rav4 and other cars on those trails!

[@nilsjohansson9739]

The GM 6.2 and the 10 speed GM/Ford transmission is the best combo in the business, hands down. The 5.0 Ford and the same transmission would be my second choice. The FCA power trains and the EcoBoosts are not built to my liking.

[@madjackgamingandfitness498]

That 10 speed transmission caused a lot of recalls when they put them in the f150, and mustangs. I looked it up again and it's now hitting their ranger line up.

[@rodjbosch]

LOL....my 6.2L was a big POS....ate lifters and pushrods like crazy. Without aftermarket exhaust I heard more engine rattle than exhaust note so it makes me laugh when people say it sounds so good. And running premium fuel(recommended) was only way truck would run properly. Gas is up to 1.80/L for regular on west coast of Canada....no thanks I've had the 10 speed F150 for 2 years now...and really don't think its necessary. On highway I can stay in 9th and see little or no difference in mpg. In town I don't need truck in 8th gear at 30mph,I lock out gears to 6th,or drive around in Sport mode. All these trucks shift up so fast for fuel economy its annoying.

[@sniper60605]

Whatev

[@mmholling87]

@@rodjbosch agreed, the Ford/GM 10 speed is a POS. It's having tons of issues for sloppy/clunky shifts and gear hunting. The Ram 8 speed ZF is the best in the industry.

[@gmrtg1414]

Madatter I have 25k miles on my 6.2 and run 87 and haven’t had a single issues.

[@gchavez43096]

You should take 2 West Texas right now it is flooded

[@ericbuchta9765]

You should do a test to see what truck can drive on nice grass that is wet and see witch truck makes marks in yard and witch don’t. Dodge you will loose because one tire fire in low as long as your foot is not depressing the gas pedal

[@hapesethathi2742]

I really miss the Ike gauntlet videos now

[@derrickmedina2449]

I'd like to see how you feel cleaning up your expensive pretty truck and keeping it pretty. Maybe you'd prefer something less expensive and less pretty to go on the trail...because the manufacturers want you to buy the most expensive(profitable) thing that they can make. I'd certainly buy used if I had to do any of what you are doing.

[@nmtz91]

At4 all the way that dodge looks like it will have lots of problems in a few years

[@jlbush8249]

Nelson Martinez Please explain by looking at a truck you can tell it will have problems?

[@jasonhaga5412]

What's the 4Low system you talk about (3:51) when you put the camera out? Also how do you gain ground clearance with a button? Do you mean approach and departure angles increase by raising the cab up? I don't see the axle or shock attachments raising up when you pick a button.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

When he selects a higher setting the air suspension raises the whole truck.

[@jasonhaga5412]

@@EGGINFOOLS That doesn't change ground clearance! Unless it increased the height of the tires! Raising the body with the suspension only changes approach and departure angles.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

@@jasonhaga5412 So you weren't really asking a question as much as you were just being a smart ass? I didn't say it increased ground clearance. I said it raises the truck. You were throwing out bait and ended up looking foolish

[@JosephSmith72]

Bought a Jeep to go play in and as a DD. Bought an Old Pick-up Truck used for 5K to do what trucks are actually supposed to do. Tow and Haul stuff, other than that that long gas guzzler with no frills sits at the house.

[@joerapo]

For 60k I'd buy a used Ram 3500, a trailer, and a very outfitted Roxer.

[@yyeezyy630]

joerapo I'd buy a new ranger and a used mustang gt then you have work and play plus 10k left over for your retirement fund lol 60k for one truck doesn't seem worth it

[@Dunki113]

@motownautospa my truck is 7 years old and it's still going strong with no trouble

[@adithyaramachandran7427]

Will the AT4 get a diesel option as well ?

[@CatholicRenaissanceMan]

A Rebel is just a dressed up Ram 1500. Don’t get me wrong the features and creature comforts are great, but the truck is mechanically identical to the 1500, the air suspension is the big difference, but bilstein shocks are also not best in class. I bought a 2015 Ram 1500 used, put 37in Mickey Thompson Baja Mud Tires and a 6in BDS lift with Fox Shocks on her. After a tune and some other small additions such as a winch/recovery gear I’d bet my truck will outdo any of these and cost me about half of what these do.

[@randomperson7135]

Yea thats what the rebel is for.its an 1500 with offroad gear and thats what ram was aiming for.just wait for the trx is meant to be a truly offroad vehicle

[@WilliamStewart1]

@@randomperson7135 They also have the Power Wagon.

[@03SilverMustangGT]

PLEASE do a comparison video of how the big three's 4wd systems are different. There is NO video comparing how Ford, Chevy, and Ram's 4wd systems are different.

[@jerredwayne8401]

That air suspension will go to crap eventually. Dont expect it to last long term

[@hochhaul]

My buddy's air ride died in less than a year. Had some below zero temperatures and it started blowing fuses and he had to wait a couple weeks for a whole new air ride system to come into the dealer. It died a second time a couple years later.

[@RBZ06LT6]

hochhaul RAM at its finest!

[@unknownunknowns]

That’s why they need to LOSE WEIGHT for the components to last longer.

[@mikec3454]

Good thing is that air suspension is an option, not standard. I definitely would pass on it for long term reliability concerns as well. TFL's long term Rebel doesn't have air suspension and they commented saying the steel shocks are fine.

[@unknownunknowns]

Mike C but how long do steel springs last? They get compressed overtime while with air shocks the components can be replaced.

[@Birnie98]

good comparison!

[@GXKid06]

I was impressed with the GMC but then I saw the RAV4 right behind it doing the same trail 😂.

[@blakeok952]

They said they used different trails

[@americansniper1641]

@@blakeok952 have you ever been on a off road course if you have even been to one you would see that all courses are also runned by toyotas while the GM's Fiats are stuck the Toyota are just passing by

[@jessehernandez5043]

@@americansniper1641 tires and drivers make more of a difference than the vehicle itself from what ive experienced

[@americansniper1641]

@@jessehernandez5043 nope vehicle weight is all that matters

[@jessehernandez5043]

@@americansniper1641 a factor but not all that matters. Traction is always the most important, followed by clearance, then suspension

[@brandonw3085]

how did he raise the suspension on springs ?

[@daviddesadier9154]

How do y’all get the head lights to blink like that????

[@takayama1638]

I like Ram, but not the air suspension. I think I like the GM mechanical lock differential. But don't know... If the GM has the 6.2L engine, that's the ticket.

[@bradhardy2629]

The power wagon has manual lockers front & rear . Also is a true off road truck. Un like the chevy they put an emblem on the truck and say it is .but it's not even close to the Rebel let alone the power wagon.

[@rachelshuey7003]

Brad Hardy The 2019 Colorado ZR2 Bison has front and rear lockers, 5 skid plates, rock sliders, and front and rear steel bumpers so your power wagon and Rebel are beat in the off road business and beat at a midsize truck at that😂 and the airbags on that Rebel we’re a terrible design, getting a stick or rocks thrown up there and popping it, then you’re really screwed, the AT4 and TrailBoss were most certainly designed for off road so try that again man

[@alexcika9906]

Kickass review , im getting the REBEL in the next week or 2

[@TheDaltonmichaels]

hey i was just on the Chevy website messing around with the build and price tool , i configured a crew cab standard bed 4wd LT trim truck and on the packages options list (page (4)) a package called the "Diesel Off Road Package" was selectable , insinuating that maybe the diesel could be available in the LT trim. so that's exciting. Also under (Page (5)) "Exterior options" a new gear ratio option of 3.73 is available which has been unavailable in any half ton truck for a long time , when you select it , it removes the gas engine (which on the LT with trailering package is the 5.3 eco with 8 speed) but fails to tell you which engine is going in its place which to me again insinuates the diesel since you can't have the trailering package and the 4 cylinder simultaneously.. so the diesel will have a 3.73 in theory.

[@erc10100]

You went a lot faster on the gmc when doing rhw shock test...

[@jacob61541]

For that much I would not get either one of them

[@hfr8343]

No one ever pays MSRP for a new truck. Relax

[@sendoquintero4619]

At 4:40 it’s not even him driving lol

[@UltraSS-nj8kd]

Drive a new 2019 dynamic 5.3L L84 with the hydromatic 8-speed. You won't say its underpowered. I got money in the RST version it would take a Etorque hemi of the 19. They fell slow compared to my old hemi

[@edwardpate6128]

Skid plates much better on the Ram and also protect the fuel tank if you look. Nothing there for the GMC.

[@coleprell6280]

Edward Pate ok? You are basing off one thing

[@ZmannR2]

TSM_ BOT no he’s just mentioning that aspect

[@stephenbellow6777]

Huntsville is where I live, awesome

[@rsdna9698]

When you filming on an "Off-Road Course" being followed by soccer mom SUV's

[@cmdr_talikarni]

I was saying I could run 90% of that "trail" in my slightly lowered 06 Silverado 2WD.

[@MindlessHooligan]

Is it on a road?

[@vinceclark6164]

MindlessHooligan, exactly!

[@rsdna9698]

@@MindlessHooligan I would say yes, the up-keep and initial construction are severely lacking, but yes I would call that a road.

[@Roderickdl]

All the off-road versions.. They seem to not do a bad job in those conditions. @MindlessHooligan I'm certain the word road can be applied to a wide of range paths.

[@kohsman313]

Just let the Canadian do all the off road test

[@tanneryoung8412]

That park is general sams atv park in Huntsville TX

[@rogerj412]

If it were my money I'd get the AT4.

[@angusyoung563]

No leaf springs??!! you can't call a vehicle a truck unless they have leaf springs.

[@davidzambrano9126]

Fast forward 3 years. Now it's a 70k battle

[@michaelitsyaboymb8300]

A cruise on dirt roads is a test?

[@vortexeruption1434]

The at4 is the way to go i have the 2020 and i love it

[@anotherstar8125]

What’s the major difference between the AT4 and Trail Boss

[@4liter]

Benito Samia Trail Boss LT vs AT4 the GMC has these and you can’t get them on the Chevy: adaptive cruise control, the rear camera mirror, side cameras, front camera, trailer cameras, trailer TPMS, wireless charging pad, option for 20s with A/T tires, large digital helper screen between analog speed/RPM, and maybe the heated rear seats and Bose sound system?

[@jasperdiezmos699]

My 2018 truck cost 55k including taxes and 7 yrs to pay interest! And it still cheaper than these trucks base price with no taxes and interest! Sometimes watching tfl videos makes me feel poor 😂😂😂

[@smartass6071]

We go to General Sams several times a year.

[@007Knightjp]

You guys haven't done the Chevy TrailBoss as much as the GMC Sierra. I get that most the technical stuff is the same in between the two, but there are the subtle differences.

[@mathewshoyt1763]

video would have been much cooloer on how you setup the 4x4 modes for each truck.. AT4.. the truck i need! the truck i want!! the truck i must have!!!

[@righthandmaster6820]

Just got the one on the right today

[@darinclemons465]

Yes i am i gm guy but i like the AT4. And you went quite a bit faster over the bumps in the AT4 than u did in the little rebel plus the AT4 can still tow. The rebel squats a lot more. Just feom what ive seen out of a rebel towing.

[@bosse641]

So nice the GMC.

[@Inferno45]

Hey tfl when are you going to mod the rebel like you guys said when you first bought it. You guys said there would a lift coming and many more things. That also why you guys said that you didnt get the air suspension option

[@TFLtruck]

We are in the modification process now. However, the modified Rebel videos will not publish for another several weeks.

[@Inferno45]

The Fast Lane Truck oh cool. Thanks for responding. I cant wait for some crazy off road action 👍🏻😎

[@ballinhobo8603]

$60'000.00 Trucks! Am I the only one who wonders how so many people can afford to spend that kind of money?! The Bi-weekly payment would be around $300.00 (assuming the average joe doesnt have a ton of cash to put down.) Plus your insurance, plus whatever you spend on fuel. average 15 maybe 18mpg. seems crazy to me!

[@JogBird]

im guessing the profit margin on these is at least 30k

[@delvinchandler]

And I think you are right sir lol

[@ALMX5DP]

I’d wager about half that.

[@NewtonWashinton]

YEP

[@AkioWasRight]

I doubt margins are that high even at MSRP.

[@anthonywebber2211]

Jog Bird I'd say Alan Bowers is closer, but they got to make money to design, engineer, build and sell their vehicles, and in the case of the big 3 that are in motorsports like Corvette Racing and Nascar

[@rayd2100]

So the off road test comes down to technology vs interior? Not knocking the video I just find it kind of funny. I would love to know the weight of these trucks.

[@delmertoribio9520]

U need too go In 2wheel and that's how u see how both 4wheel drive system works at a standing point

[@foxwithshades7080]

It's funny tfl always gets the 6.2L. but I have 5 GM dealers with in 50miles of my house. None of the have a GM truck with a 6.2L.. where oh where do they go?

[@843MudMafia.]

I really like the ram

[@mtbrdude]

I still don't like the idea of air suspension in Canadian winters. That's like asking for a problem.

[@unknownunknowns]

We’ll see but there are still benefits as you don’t damage the undercarriage while still lowering the chassis for better aerodynamics and thus better fuel economy.

[@darkwolf6139]

I have a question why would some buy a 60k truck?( besides a tax right off) plenty in the 10k to 35k just as good for off roading if not better.

[@TheOhanaBennett]

darkwolf Come go for a drive in my new Ram 2500 Limited and you’ll understand why very quickly!

[@pryme2013]

I saw the blue Toyota Tundra out there too, was it there for when these red junkers broke down to get you back out of the woods?

[@johncook02]

Yep. That big ole blue tin can to the rescue.

[@hochhaul]

That flimsy piece of shit isn't saving anyone. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZjJgX9mmpZ8f7s

[@Lamar-zx5tp]

@@hochhaul Frame flex isn't a problem. Inherently, BOF vehicle are prone to flexing, especially open channel frames. In fact, they're designed to flex. While there is less rigidity, which might look bad to some that knows nothing, there actually overall greater strength. You can see this on semi tractors. Even with thicker gauge metal, they flex and jiggle like crazy. That's to prevent frame yield and help spread shock through the frame. It's just like they design buildings in earth quake zones. If you make the structure too stiff, it crumbles from the violent movement of the earth. If you allow movement, it dampens the forces in an earthquake. Another example would be airplane wings. You want them to flex in turbulence, not be too ridged and possibly snap.

[@hochhaul]

@@Lamar-zx5tp Frame flex IS a problem when it flexes so much it allows the bed to slam into the cab and put a big gouge in it. The Tundra's frame is absurdly flimsy. It hurts handling, makes it feel less stable, it can distort the bed, damage the tailgate, accelerates body mount wear, etc. It's poor engineering.

[@chokekoo983]

@@hochhaul All frames flex, but that much oscillation is not mainly caused by frame flex, that's mainly harmonic oscillation of sheet metal bed over bumps. Under perfect conditions, the frequency of bumps will cause the bed to hit the cab. Toyota had a TSB for the issue on first model year trucks that updated the bushings to better control bed movement without any changes to the frame, but, really, they did it for PR reasons. It's not even a problem in the real-world conditions, it was just propaganda spread by Ford. In reality, even older Fords with c-channel frames did the same thing, and probably even newer ones with closed frames could do the same if you find the right harmonic frequency, but Ford never told you that, did they? Another thing, greater frame movement actually reduces body mount wear and frame wear in general. If a frame becomes too stiff, movement is made harsher and more likely to damage body mounts or other parts of the frame. Like the guy above said, structural rigidity isn't always a good thing. If it were it, then trucks would be unibodies and not body-on-frame. The whole purpose of a frame being separate from everything else is to allow dampening of movement and isolation of stress to the strongest parts rather than a transmission of stress to weaker parts.

[@RidingNomad]

He forget about the cool GMC tailgate