Helicopter Pilot's FATAL Mistakes Killed Kobe Bryant!

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Pilot Debrief

Pilot Debrief

Күн бұрын

A helicopter pilot made a series of fatal mistakes and killed Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and six other passengers. I wanted to know the truth about what really happened! That's why I read through hundreds of pages of this investigation so I could share with you the full story about a highly experienced pilot and the fatal mistakes he made.
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@pilot-debrief
@pilot-debrief 3 ай бұрын
Helicopter Pilot’s Mistake Destroyed Helicopters: 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZnFo5KKir90aM0 Here’s what else the investigation revealed: - Ara violated FAA rules in 2015 when he entered LAX Class B airspace due to worsening weather, despite being ordered not to. This was the only infraction on his record and the NTSB didn’t dwell on this in their report. - Even though the aircraft was approved for single pilot operations, having two pilots likely would have prevented this - The helicopter was not equipped with a terrain awareness and warning system, which would have depicted the terrain hiding behind the clouds but would not have prevented his spatial disorientation
@michaels5886
@michaels5886 3 ай бұрын
If his operation had a ifr certification this crash would not have happened.Ara would have been proficient flying ifr( not scud running) and it would have been a routine flight.All operations big and small should be ifr certified period, money should not be a factor(if funding is needed for smaller operations to operate safely then it should be a no brainer to make it happen)and special vfr should be used for emergency situations only.
@A.J.Johnson-
@A.J.Johnson- 3 ай бұрын
This is the second I've heard of helicopter in IMC, and almost immediately crashing. The first was that Latin couple just married with pilot flying into the clouds, and they crash shortly after. It boggles my mind in these two instances, that they didn't just 180 and back to safety. Raises a question. He said climbing to 4,000. Isn't it logical to stop forward motion and go straigt up like an elevator? Can choppers do that? Second question: Do helicopters stall in heavy IMC, or is it simply spacial disorientation?
@jakerabinz9411
@jakerabinz9411 3 ай бұрын
All aircraft lose a certain amount of lift when out of level flight. In a turn one wing or side of the rotor disk is travelling slower than the other side. The result is the aircraft banks to the side where the lift is diminished. If the bank angle becomes excessive,, relative to velocity the slower lifting wing or rotor disk side aerodynamic stalls. When you aerodynamic stall you are no longer creating enough lift to keep flying and you are then falling. In VFR you are able to visually see the horizon and see your bank is becoming excessive, and correct that before you stall. In IFR fog, all you see is gray. There is an instrument in all well equipped aircraft called the Attitude Indicator, or also called Artificial Horizon. It is a gyroscopic ball that depicts visually both your angle of bank, and also your angle of pitch relative to the horizon. In IFR fog you can still determine with thus instrument if your attitude is within limits to maintain flight, instead of aerodynamic stalling. The pilot when attempting to climb above the fog, was obviously not looking at this instrument, or he would have seen that he was about to be rolling over, or pitching over, or combination of both. When that happens you fall out of sky. You may feel nothing, if the centrifugal force sideways equals the centripetal tangent force forward. Or may feeel like you are in an elevator quickly going down. Or if highly rolled over or capsized actually rise up from your seat if not buckled in. Their elevation above ground level when they lost lift, would have resulted in terrain impact in less than 15 seconds. They may not have not felt anything unusual in that period, or maybe just puzzledat strabge sensations. The impact was at a speed that was instantly fatal. So they felt no pain, and possibly only a brief period of puzzlement or fear.
@sandimobley7980
@sandimobley7980 3 ай бұрын
@@jakerabinz9411 It is rare when I look inside the cockpit of an aircraft and not see an Attitude Indicator( even pieces of junk ). Usually it would be in an experimental or ultralight aircraft where one is absent as you're generally fair-weather flying anyway. That ADI and autopilot( if you have one and I'll bet he did in that copter ) is your best friend if you start to feel uneasy.
@A.J.Johnson-
@A.J.Johnson- 3 ай бұрын
@jakerabinz9411 Excellent explanation! Then, based on your information and assessment, the cause I attribute to this tragedy is pilot error. I assume he did feel the pressure to complete the task because of his special passengers, ignoring his own training. I'm assuming that emotion trumped logic, like not trusting your instruments, which, if reading correctly and monitored, he could have responded to those instruments, accordingly. It's makes no sense to me to be mentally in VFR, in IFR conditions.
@aviationworld8939
@aviationworld8939 3 ай бұрын
In the past 26 years of my professional flying career, I've been fired twice at two different companies because I refused to accept the trip due to unsafe circumstances. As a professional pilot you need to condition yourself in advance if the picture is not correct you are not flying even if it means that you will lose your job. RIP Everyone! Thank you for another great presentation Hoover!
@BastardX13
@BastardX13 3 ай бұрын
Lose your life or lose the job? Wise move. Saved your skin and many more. God bless.
@PuddingXXL
@PuddingXXL 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! It's not just about the Pilots it's about the passengers too. A pilot not deciding to make a trip because it's too unsafe might disgruntle some customers but dying because of a time shedule would disgruntle them even more. Thanks for the level headedness in face of corporate time pressure.
@Never_get_off_the_boat
@Never_get_off_the_boat 3 ай бұрын
Life, license and than company… always in that order. Agree 100% with you… any job worth having also needs to be worth losing
@DrJohn493
@DrJohn493 3 ай бұрын
Good on you for overriding the pressure!
@denverbraughler3948
@denverbraughler3948 3 ай бұрын
But what if your passenger was regularly giving you hefty gratuities?
@TrossachsPhoto
@TrossachsPhoto 3 ай бұрын
I trained as a pilot in the RAF (although left before I took a full commission). I used to read the accident reports across military and non-military accidents. Get-there-itis was common amongst a noteable number of these incidents. Roll forward a number of years, and I'm driving my family home in horrible snowy weather, where I could barely see the car in front, and certainly couldn't see the lane markings, as night descended. I suddenly had a realisation, I was suffering Get-there-itis. The next service station I stopped at, and took a hotel for the night. Woke up to heavy frost and maybe 5 miles more of evidence of the weather the night before, before it cleared. Although I could have plowed on for 5 more miles, "Get-there-itis" hit me like a ton of bricks, and heeded the signs clearly. Even knowing I only would have had to endure those conditions for another hour tops, I still am glad I learned the lessons; written in blood.
@cardinalRG
@cardinalRG 3 ай бұрын
Excellent comment.
@BlazingShackles
@BlazingShackles Ай бұрын
live-to-tell is what you did.
@KenFullman
@KenFullman 27 күн бұрын
I had a situation while on holiday in Australia while driving in the rain. It suddenly started coming down so fast that, even with the wipers running at full speed I could barely see anything. I pulled off the road, stopped and just waited. I'd never before (or since) seen rain that heavy. As I was sitting there we could hear other vehicles going past so I felt a bit of a fool. I apologised to the wife but she confirmed that she also felt it was too dangerous to be travelling in those conditions. After about 15 minutes the rain totally disappeared. So I pulled back onto the road and continued onwards. A few minutes down the road we came across a multiple vehicle pile up. I realise that normally, aircraft don't have the luxury of being able to just stop in mid air but, I can't help thinking, actually helicopters can.
@sanseverything900
@sanseverything900 3 ай бұрын
I remember when this happened. It was a January and I was thinking "man, 2020 is off to a horrible start. Theres no way it can get any worse, right?"
@nicholasjuarez7654
@nicholasjuarez7654 2 ай бұрын
Underrated comment
@webrambler88
@webrambler88 2 ай бұрын
The Scamdemic and medical dictatorships were on their way!
@ebaymotorhomes
@ebaymotorhomes 2 ай бұрын
down went kobe, up went covid
@MeisterAnime
@MeisterAnime 2 ай бұрын
its a good thing iran never used this helicopter. Raisi could have died early😂
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын
So covid is your fault then!
@dharmawannab
@dharmawannab 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate that you made special mention of the other passengers. Yes Kobe was the most famous on that flight but there were others that deserved to be mentioned and honored too. Thank you.
@frisk151
@frisk151 3 ай бұрын
Kobe's complacency was at the heart of this sad example of horrible planning and little if any oversight
@imaner76
@imaner76 3 ай бұрын
@@frisk151 The pilot is in charge. Always. Not any passenger.
@NoelleTakestheSky
@NoelleTakestheSky 3 ай бұрын
Literally just coming down here to mention this.
@redtailpilot
@redtailpilot 3 ай бұрын
​@@frisk151 What complacency? Last I checked, Kobe never earned a pilot's certificate. According to the FAA, the PIC is the FINAL authority as to the operation of the flying machine! 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command. (a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
@m.h.6499
@m.h.6499 3 ай бұрын
I appreciated seeing all the victims, too. I hadn’t seen their photos before. This is so desperately sad. Wishing them peace, and comfort and consolation to all the families.
@topofthegreen
@topofthegreen 3 ай бұрын
Its scary how a highly qualified pilot can still screw up.
@stedydubdetroit
@stedydubdetroit 3 ай бұрын
Can very easily avoid this by ensuring you only take flights that are IFR. VFR shouldn’t even be a thing. Considering that weather can change in an instant. The terrain this guys is flying is extremely mountainous. Anyone with common sense would see this as a deadly choice. But since he was flying a “star”, they often make dumb choices. They hold some higher standard to accomplishing the journey, often at the risk innocent lives.
@loopbackish
@loopbackish 3 ай бұрын
​@stedydubdetroit agree, VFR for public transport should have much higher minima and IFR should be mandatory unless it defeats the purpose of the flight. The pilot put regulations over common sense.
@JeepCherokeeful
@JeepCherokeeful 3 ай бұрын
Anyone can make stupid choices, he had an opportunity to prevent this
@matthewstimmel7497
@matthewstimmel7497 3 ай бұрын
​@loopbackish the problem with requiring higher minimums is that Ara was already flying through weather that was below company and regulatory minimums.
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 3 ай бұрын
Well, when working for an operator performing unqualified flights, shit does happen.
@northwestprof60
@northwestprof60 3 ай бұрын
There was NO excuse for this crash. As a former helicopter crewman for the USFS, I flew in lots of mountainous situations, and choppers have one HUGE advantage over fixed wing aircraft: they can STOP, get their bearings, and, if necessary, go down at a snail's pace to the ground. This accident has all the earmarks of poor judgment, of a pilot in a rush.
@vincentwu2848
@vincentwu2848 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for clearing this up. I have zero experience flying anything and my inexperienced reaction was wondering why the pilot couldn't go straight up. It seems like a lot of things have to go wrong for a helicopter to collide with ground when they are supposed to be flying 400+ feet above it.
@Jeff-xt7xs
@Jeff-xt7xs 2 ай бұрын
This is the problem with people who worship other people, Most likely the pilot didn't want to make Kobe mad so he didn't turn around and be safe.
@robwagner4615
@robwagner4615 2 ай бұрын
EXACTLY 💯
@redtailpilot
@redtailpilot 2 ай бұрын
@@Jeff-xt7xs I see you like repeating this in several locations. So, I'll repeat my reply :) I won't deny the celebrity status could've been a factor in the pilot decision making, but worship is probably a bit over the top. Pilots are very mission oriented in general, no matter whose onboard, including no one. That's why we're consistantly warned against Get-there-itis. I learned about that phenomenon in ground school (25 years ago), long before I set foot in an airplane. As his former pilot Kurt Deetz said, no one wants to fail. Of course you want to please your boss (like in most jobs). No one wants to make their boss mad (celebrity or not). Has nothing to do with worship. I've had several supervisors over my 37 year electrical career. I've always worked diligently to do my job to the highest standards and make the boss happy.
@redtailpilot
@redtailpilot 2 ай бұрын
If I rush, become complacent, screw up and electrocute myself, that's on me. Not because I worship my boss and didn't want to make him mad. Let's call it what it is and stop trying to find every possible way to place the blame on the Client/Boss/Celebrity.....aka Passenger!
@peterlewellyn2389
@peterlewellyn2389 3 ай бұрын
As a helicopter pilot with almost 9,000 hours, and probably 5,000 or more in the S-76A, B, and C++, I looked at this accident a little differently. Hoover, you explained the situation for the pilot very well and indicated his fatal mistake. However, I saw sone other factors that could have eliminated this accident from happening. The S-76 has been certified as a single pilot aircraft. However, there are a few reasons that even though single pilot usage is permitted, there are reasons why it should not be done. The aircraft is a wide one. The pilot flying on the right side, has poor visibility to the left side and toward the left rear of the aircraft. I operated out of the New York area and know of only one operator that flew single pilot out of more than thirty S-76 aircraft. In busy areas, and the LA area is busy, it is just not smart to limited your visibility on your left side. The S-76 begs to have another pilot to provide safe clearance on both sides of the aircraft and another individual to assist in times of emergencies. Flying in this kind of weather definitely raises the "pucker" factor, no matter how many years or hours of flying you have accomplished. When in this type of situation, with two pilots, one pilot looks out the window and the other monitors the instruments and handles the radio. The flying pilot just flys. If for some reason the pilot gets vertigo, the other pilot can note the deviation and take over the controls if necessary. If Kobe's aircraft had another pilot, I doubt this accident would have occurred. Yes, hiring another pilot costs money, but I am guessing that Kobe could afford it to better insure his safety and those of his family and friends. I blame the helicopter company for not hiring another pilot to fly this aircraft. It was legal to fly it the way it was flown, it was just not prudent. Next, the S-76 is a very sophisticated aircraft with great instrumentation, GPS map displays, and a very fine autopilot system. The S-76 was designed to fly IFR comfortably. I know if no company that has an S-76 and has not certified it for IFR. Yes, it would take some additional paperwork and require periodic training for the pilot, but this flight could have been successful had he been able to file IFR and desend to VFR at or near their destination. The pilot knew the aircraft was not certified IFR and was possibly reluctant to declare an emergency because he knew there would be administration consequences to going IFR in an uncertified aircraft. This may have been a reason he pushed to do it VFR. Any pilot, in his situation,, seeing the poor weather has two options. One, as you mentioned he could have found a safe place to put the aircraft down and arranged for a limo. I have done this in the past. His other option was to just turn around, and I can tell you I have done that many times too. You can check weather and see all looks fine and then discover the weather is much worse than predicted. Good pilots must have skill, but it's even more important to have judgement. That is what keeps everyone alive.
@Alexander_Grant
@Alexander_Grant 3 ай бұрын
What are you thoughts on having administration consequences for going to IFR in an uncertified aircraft? I understand he should have just done it and prioritized safety, but I know from my own non-flying experiences, I have taken the path of least resistance instead of maximizing safety even in what could be life-threatening situations.
@jamesw.6931
@jamesw.6931 3 ай бұрын
Having flown helicopters, I want to make a comment, although your statement covers almost anything I could add other than. Why did he not slow down when he lost visual reference? And as you stated, he could have set her down. Rules aside why not look at the instruments and increase your altitude? I think he became overwhelmed and panicked. Your suggestion of two pilots is spot on. I have worked for companies where they are too short-sighted to address safety. PS I have found that experience invites complacency, and that includes myself...
@peterlewellyn2389
@peterlewellyn2389 3 ай бұрын
@@Alexander_Grant You have hit upon the key. There were many times flying in an uncertified helicopter in very bad weather when I said to my self, hang the consequences, if I need to go IFR to live, I am doing it. But your judgement of the situation is most important. Going IFR without a ship set up for it can be dicey, especially if you don't have the charts you need. My first thought was to turn around and fly where I knew I had the visibility and cloud clearance to make it back. If the weather turning back went bad, then I started looking for parking lots or open areas. I never had to make an unauthorized off field landing but I have turned back.
@mark-ish
@mark-ish 3 ай бұрын
16:41
@johnbradley8627
@johnbradley8627 3 ай бұрын
​@peterlewellyn2389 id be making assumptions here about the a/c, but i cant imagine it'd be too dicey in this model designed to be single piloted and inst certified. Wouldnt the big things be having some sort of stability aug, trim, auto pilot and working inst? I guess my point is maybe where this aircraft isnt inst rated is having secondary inst or a backup gen or something... maybe even just not having done the work to get it certified?
@tylerm2676
@tylerm2676 3 ай бұрын
Fatal mistake, flying in fog around mountains.. crazy
@tomdoyle3727
@tomdoyle3727 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for explaining this terrible tragedy. I was a crew chief and copilot in the 421st Med Evac unit located in Graf Germany 1964/5 . We would have terrible weather many times going to our station Hospital in Nuremberg Germany. Never forgot a similar flight where we had to stop midair and slowly descend at 5 ft per minute. Both the pilot and I looking as far forward to the left and right and as much as we could see the sides and behind us for fear of colliding with something. This was not an experience that most people would have. But the weather in Germany was always a challenge. We had nothing like the navigation equipment that Helicopters have today. We eventually sat the Huey down and called the Hospital and told them were we believed we were located and to come and get our patient. .
@michaeltaylor981
@michaeltaylor981 3 ай бұрын
I know nothing about flying a plane or helicopter, but wouldn’t there be a gauge that would show you your altitude? Why wouldn’t someone notice that they were descending? I know it’s prob a dumb question, but just trying to understand the situation. Would really appreciate it if you’d pop off a quick answer on that one. I’m sure there are other dummies like me that would be interested to understand that. Thanks in advance.
@Spastuscat
@Spastuscat 3 ай бұрын
​@michaeltaylor981 There are exactly those types of gages, but you have to use them. The pilot was probably task-saturated looking out the windows for land, patches clear of sky, obstacles, etc, and stressed, and just forgot to look at the instruments.
@vincentwu2848
@vincentwu2848 2 ай бұрын
Do you know how sophisticated the auto-pilot on helicopters is? I don't know the first thing about helicopters, the impression I got from the video is that during an extreme emergency it's possible to relinquish control to an automated flight system.
@sbdreamin
@sbdreamin Ай бұрын
You were very lucky.
@robrobertson4964
@robrobertson4964 3 ай бұрын
Only 7 hours actual real experience of flying in bad weather is unbelievable. I wonder how customers on these private flights judge their pilots, it may be more on their personality than their flying skill
@RetreadPhoto
@RetreadPhoto 3 ай бұрын
That’s our reward and punishment for wanting less regulation, less rules, and more freedom. Obviously he should have had more hours than that before taking paying customers, and it should not have been single pilot operations (which reduces customer cost and increases company profit). It’s our own greed and selfishness and independent streak that prevents us from adding all the safeguards necessary. Important people should require Part 135 operations as a rule, either for insurance or just good practice. But it costs more money. And compliance and operating costs go up.
@ticenits1926
@ticenits1926 3 ай бұрын
7 hours in that model aircraft, he had more real world instrument experience in other aircraft.
@SplashJohn
@SplashJohn 3 ай бұрын
"More on personality than their flying skill"? You interpreted Hoover's presentation a little different than me. 1) Ara was a highly skilled pilot, and 2) his company didn't allow flight in IMC. So how could any customer judge ahead of time that they shouldn't fly with Ara?
@ticenits1926
@ticenits1926 3 ай бұрын
@@SplashJohn word of mouth. The celebrity pilot circle is a very small group, as evidence by the fact that Kobe requested him by name personally. If kobe loses faith in his pilot then he'll just ask who Lebron uses.
@dustyflair
@dustyflair 3 ай бұрын
@@ticenits1926 so......
@azcanuck3131
@azcanuck3131 3 ай бұрын
My son-in-law worked for Kobe and was supposed to fly on the helicopter that day. He ended up giving up his seat to someone else and drive his car - just to be nice. His kindness ultimately saved his life.
@Wembyhub
@Wembyhub 3 ай бұрын
Proof? Genuinely curious? Or just YT yap? No offense
@cassi94
@cassi94 3 ай бұрын
@@Wembyhubunnecessary response bud
@azcanuck3131
@azcanuck3131 3 ай бұрын
@@Wembyhub understand completely. I won't name him but he is my son-in-law. He flew in the helicopter the day before but gave up his seat that day. We were panicked when we heard the news. Our daughter called us in tears until she could finally get a hold of him. He's an amazing and thoughtful man. He worked as a personal trainer for Kobe and then worked with the Mamba Academy until the crash. In fact he continued to coach and train the 5 remaining girls that stayed together and just graduated from Sage Hill High in Newport this year. ESPN just did a 30 for 30 story about them.
@Wembyhub
@Wembyhub 3 ай бұрын
@@azcanuck3131 ok tbh I believe you. That’s actually crazy thoe. I’m glad he ended up being ok. 🙏🏼
@SlXkxmx
@SlXkxmx 3 ай бұрын
Lol cassi believes all they read in yt comment sections, apparently. Nothing unnecessary about asking for proof from such a claim.
@dpfreedman
@dpfreedman 3 ай бұрын
Exceptionally well done, Hoover, remembering the six others who lost their lives. Yes, their lives were just as important and they should not be forgotten.
@cooperparts
@cooperparts 3 ай бұрын
A beautiful helicopter lost and fire emitted tons of carbon
@wfemp_4730
@wfemp_4730 3 ай бұрын
@@cooperparts That poor, beautiful helicopter. So sad! /s
@luigivincenz3843
@luigivincenz3843 3 ай бұрын
Honestly, thru the years the media kept telling everyone that it was ONLY Kobe and his daughter that died. and thanks to Hoover for this video that yes, OTHERS died too.
@daszieher
@daszieher 3 ай бұрын
Exactly, ​@@luigivincenz3843! Media coverage implies Kobe and his daughter were the only passengers.
@StunXPlayz
@StunXPlayz 3 ай бұрын
The 2 people under your comment making jokes on this are people who are still immature children. Using /s does not do sh*t
@davidp2888
@davidp2888 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate how you analyze the situation and explain what happened while you include a healthy amount of compassion and empathy. Great work, Hoover.
@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439
@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 3 ай бұрын
TF does that even mean man. Somehow that is required for the assessment? We need to avoid casting blame at all cost? What? I truly don't understand these kinds of comments. "Well he fucked up but I am really happy you showed compassion and empathy!" Why? For you to enjoy it more? For Jesus? On top of that he never pandered or showed some kind of illogical compassion for the pilot at all. It was pretty cut and dry and professional. Please sit down.
@randalllewis2434
@randalllewis2434 3 ай бұрын
⁠. What are you even talking about?? His comment certainly didn’t deserve the trashing that you gave it…. He simply stated his opinion….
@davidp2888
@davidp2888 3 ай бұрын
@@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 If you'd watched this, or any of Hoover's previous videos, you'd know he puts the blame where it belongs and he shows compassion for the victims. You need anger management. You sit down, Sparky.
@jeffro221
@jeffro221 3 ай бұрын
@@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 Maybe start buying decaff coffee. 12 cups of full caffeine isn't helping you.
@misplacedsouthern1236
@misplacedsouthern1236 Ай бұрын
Excellent job. You did this one so well I actually had to fast forward a couple minutes which I never do. It’s heartbreaking. The 3 young girls on that flight had their whole lives ahead of them. So very sad. I know people will think I’m crazy but I’m glad Ko read there holding daughter. I remember thinking about the parents, spouses and siblings not onboard. Horrible Notification to Give or Receive.
@vigorousboredom7016
@vigorousboredom7016 3 ай бұрын
I get choked up when listening to you talk about all the ways this tragedy could've been averted because 10 people died due to a simple oversight on the part of the pilot. I hope the families of these individuals have been able to find peace in the years since the accident. If anything good comes from this, I hope that all helicopter pilots going forward can study this accident very carefully and remember the lessons learned to not make similar mistakes. RIP to all involved.
@inevitableexpertise1016
@inevitableexpertise1016 Ай бұрын
The pilot didn't even want to go. Kobe was the one that said to go ahead....
@LGM633
@LGM633 Ай бұрын
A couple oversights
@pollylewis9611
@pollylewis9611 3 ай бұрын
Such a horrible outcome, so many mistakes made, thank you Hoover for all of your investigating on this sad debrief.
@frisk151
@frisk151 3 ай бұрын
What is especially sad.. And, I am not Kobe fan.. I'm talking situational.. Kobe could have paid (owned / maintained) the best civilian helicopters, and TWO (with one on standby) CURRENT helicopter pilots who IFR would be like blinking.... The was super sad because the price didn't even matter.. Don't ever get lulled / complacent because nothing ever happens in flight (talking more to pilots).. You don't know, what you don't know.. However, he was richer (I think) than most presidents (career wise) and do you see them having a friendly guy on Marine or AF One?.. Oh! Wait... We pay for all of their 'junkits'...
@mark-ish
@mark-ish 3 ай бұрын
​@JohnnytNatural16:41
@Cheepchipsable
@Cheepchipsable 3 ай бұрын
@JohnnytNatural Did you not watch the video? Kobe had flown with this pilot quite often. Being a chief pilot and trainer would mean he was better than average. Sounds like he just forgot his training as soon as he entered weather. That's the problem with emergency procedures, the fewer emergencies, the less you use them and can forget what to do when there is an emergency and they are needed. Even according to the Helicopter Safety Team most pilots who accidentally enter bad weather will crash in under a minute.
@pjhauser
@pjhauser 3 ай бұрын
My frustration with this type of helicopter accident is that by virtue of the machine, the pilot always has the option to just hover until they figure out what to do next. It’s not like a fixed wing aircraft that has to maintain a certain airspeed (using up time needed to analyze and adjust) just to stay airborne.
@natec9420
@natec9420 3 ай бұрын
I agree. The pilot was a real jackass.
@dustyflair
@dustyflair 3 ай бұрын
@@natec9420 yea the pilot just pressed ahead in conditions he had 7 hours of experience in.
@bills6093
@bills6093 3 ай бұрын
@@dustyflair Well, he must have had a lot more IFR experience overall or he would not have been a CFI Instrument. He had 7 hours IFR in that model of helicopter. We do not know his overall helicopter IFR experience. However, since his current employer did not allow IFR flying, his skills had probably deteriorated in the last few years.
@NoelleTakestheSky
@NoelleTakestheSky 3 ай бұрын
@@bills6093 A few weeks back, I was talking with a CFI-I with not a single moment of experience in IMC. I’m a PPL with more experience in IMC (with an instructor). There’s no rule that requires a CFI-I to have any actual experience, which is scary. It can just be all sim and hood.
@mark-ish
@mark-ish 3 ай бұрын
There's an aviation phrase: land and live. Don't need to hover, you can land anywhere, if you do it safely. It's part of VFR rules. Golf course, park, car park. Options are diverse.
@pnojazz
@pnojazz 3 ай бұрын
So Kobe and his daughter died because of pressure to get to a basketball game in near zero visibility conditions, and a pilot who put pressure above safety! Darn shame!
@bbustin1747
@bbustin1747 3 ай бұрын
This one is on Kobe, with his kid and also a pilot. Had an opportunity to land in Burbank with known weather issues. All he had to do was hire an Uber to go the rest of the way. Anxious to meet a schedule and travel safe wasn’t a priority. No second chances
@johncox4273
@johncox4273 3 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis as always. I’m a dual rated corporate pilot, with 4000 helicopter hours, and have gone IIMC twice in my career. Once at night in a single engine VFR Hughes 500D, and once during the day in a twin engine IFR Bell 412. Both times I was able to transition to my instruments and survive. In the night incident, I was able to do a gentle 180 and fly back to better weather. I had just flown over a small town, and saw a Walmart parking lot. I was going to land there, but I remembered there was a small airport just east of town, where I landed safely. I’m convinced that my fixed wing instrument training and actual instrument experience saved our lives. The other incident occurred during the day in marginal VFR weather. Our 412 was fully equipped for instrument flight just like the S76. We always flew with two pilots, and trained in a Flight Safety simulator once a year. This training also included a full instrument checkout. We were flying under a broken cloud layer trying to maintain VFR. We had slowed to 80 knots trying to work our way along a highway we knew very well, when suddenly we were in the clouds. We knew that the tops of the broken layer was around 3500 feet, so I transitioned to my instruments and put the aircraft into a gentle climb up to 4000 feet. We broke out on top, and continued on to our destination, where conditions were much better. We found a large break in the clouds, and descended through it to a safe landing. After the passengers got off, we filed an IFR flight plan, cruised on top at 7000’ to our home base where we shot an easy ILS approach and landed. If people wonder why we didn’t file IFR on the first leg, our company didn’t allow IFR flight with passengers on board. The story was that the CEO had been scared on an IFR flight years before! I know it’s silly, but that’s the way it was. As was said in the video, studies have shown that going IIFR in ANY aircraft is very challenging, and that it takes several seconds to make the adjustment. I’m sorry that he made the choices he made, and don’t understand why he at least didn’t slow down or turn around, but agree that he didn’t want to disappoint his friend Kobe, and they all paid a terrible price for his mistakes.
@57Jimmy
@57Jimmy 3 ай бұрын
As with mentioning about the CEO making it company policy to not fly IFR because he got spooked once, the one thing I always keep in mind regardless of who I work for is… He/she signs the front of my paycheque…I sign the back!😂
@mark-ish
@mark-ish 3 ай бұрын
Interesting read thanks John. My thoughts on your last paragraph: * Task saturation * Channelised attention * Goal objective * Disappointing your client * Reputational loss
@douglasphillips1203
@douglasphillips1203 3 ай бұрын
That CEO is a complete moron and extremely short-sighted. I wonder how quickly he'd lose his job if a helo crashed and it came out that he was the reason no IFR was being used? 🤨
@CapitalismSuxx
@CapitalismSuxx 3 ай бұрын
Thankyou for sharing!
@johncox4273
@johncox4273 3 ай бұрын
@@mark-ish I totally agree Mark.
@Viewsonic61
@Viewsonic61 3 ай бұрын
I've watched several versions of this unfortunate accident and this is the first time the other passengers apart from Kobe and his daughter have been acknowledged by name. Everyone in that helicopter was a victim so thank you for acknowledging them all. RIP 🙏
@QuadriviumNumbers
@QuadriviumNumbers 18 күн бұрын
And yet YOU still worship celebrities!
@ericstevens8744
@ericstevens8744 12 күн бұрын
Did you see the Autopsy reports for them ? They got messed up bad …. Got sliced up like a block of cheese 🧀 I seen them they were Gory 🩸🦴🩻 The altobelli girl got decapitated at her mouth …. Horrific All the autopsy reports were nasty 🤮 gruesome I looked at all of them
@erikt2918
@erikt2918 3 ай бұрын
I flew the Sikorsky S-76 for 16 years to the oil platforms off California. I was even in a water survival class with Ara (accident pilot). I really appreciated the concise way you laid out this accident and cut through the BS and speculation. So much mis-information about that day. Island Express didn't have an IFR program and the flight never should have departed SNA. At my company, we did have an IFR program and we would have had two instrument rated, and current pilots, and would have never have been down so low. We would have filed an IFR plan from SNA to CMA and have been on top (of the overcast layer) and flown nearly direct- in positive control with Socal/LA Center the entire time. I have heard many helicopter customers are now asking if the pilots and aircraft are instrument certified. I call it "The Kobe Effect".
@ianglenn2821
@ianglenn2821 3 ай бұрын
This accident was unfortunate, but with the celebrity factor, may save more lives in the long run. The best safety rules are written with blood; it's sad but true.
@michaelward9201
@michaelward9201 2 ай бұрын
@@ianglenn2821great comment.
@zerocal76
@zerocal76 2 ай бұрын
Big Kobe fan for almost 30 years here. "The Kobe Effect" I'll remember that and always think about how his death can help others avoid the same ending. Thank you 🙏
@gavnonadoroge3092
@gavnonadoroge3092 2 ай бұрын
@erikt2918 how long does it take to become ifr certified in helicopter?
@jays2cool4u
@jays2cool4u 3 ай бұрын
The debrief we've all been waiting for. Thank you.
@MyTube4Utoo
@MyTube4Utoo 3 ай бұрын
So sadly, the "56 seconds" was spot-on. Another fantastic debrief. Thank you.
@FordSVT1313
@FordSVT1313 3 ай бұрын
I was one of the mountain bikers that came across the scene. It was myself and 2 hikers. I can’t describe the horrors I saw that day but it will live with me forever. I am an instrumented rated pilot and I can tell you, visibility was extremely poor. Even the search and rescue helicopter had trouble finding us. I think the saddest part is that the next day, it was clear without a cloud in the sky and the entire town of Calabasas/Agoura hills could see the wreckage spread across the hillside. Happy to provide proof to the creator of this video.
@Dan_Yerlll
@Dan_Yerlll 3 ай бұрын
What did you see? Describe it
@FordSVT1313
@FordSVT1313 3 ай бұрын
@@Dan_Yerlll I had my headphones in at the time when I was climbing the trail on my mountain bike. The trail is called “millennium” in Calabasas. I worked at an FBO while I was getting some of my pilot ratings so I am very familiar with how jet fuel smells. About 10 minutes into my ride I could smell a strong odor of jet fuel and knew something was wrong, I looked around and saw the orange glow and immediately started to pedal up the hill as fast as I could. Once I got there, it looked like a warzone. I won’t go into specifics on how the bodies were out of respect for the families but the autopsy reports are now public. I think the eeriest thing is, if I had left 10 minutes before hand, I would be dead. The impact hit directly on the trail.
@BayAreaMotorcycleCommuting
@BayAreaMotorcycleCommuting 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for, as always, handling this topic so professionally / respectfully / objectively. I also really appreciate acknowledging the non-celebrity lives that were lost here. Hindsight is 20/20, and this is another example of how experience does not make you immune from mistakes
@jamesoncross7494
@jamesoncross7494 3 ай бұрын
The biggest pilot trouble, as well as humans in general, is Ego, Ego, Ego.
@thefpvlife7785
@thefpvlife7785 3 ай бұрын
The pressure to make this flight reach its destination is what caused the pilot error.
@stephenmoczary7285
@stephenmoczary7285 3 ай бұрын
I enjoy watching your debriefs. You do a great job. I am a former USAF flight safety officer. I was stationed at Kirtland AFB in the Air Force Safety Center. Keep up the great work.
@denverbraughler3948
@denverbraughler3948 3 ай бұрын
I’m glad that you didn’t bash ATC for the errors of the pilot. There was a whole cadre saying that ATC should have given low-altitude VFR radar services - as if it was possible and somehow would have helped.
@fsabot19022
@fsabot19022 3 ай бұрын
I heard that too. Yeah it wasn't the ATC fault.
@kevinfraser573
@kevinfraser573 3 ай бұрын
@@fsabot19022 Family sued the Gov't (ATC) for errors but I agree with you. After an accident, deep pockets matter more than facts.
@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439
@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 3 ай бұрын
I disagree.. this was actually a clear cut case of several points of failure. From sketchy pre-flight checks at the company to ATC not telling him to go-round, abort or land the aircraft immediately. The other thing I don't understand is how such a 'mountainous' area is not equipped with some descent radar coverage for the ATC. That's the first area you put extra radar towers and dishes!
@jgonz69
@jgonz69 3 ай бұрын
You don’t think a little extra effort by ATC would’ve help prevent this? And I say this as someone who actually worked ATC in the building where the controllers were. Some of those guys are the laziest mf’ers I’ve ever seen.
@denverbraughler3948
@denverbraughler3948 3 ай бұрын
@@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439: If Kobe wanted radar, he could have equipped the helicopter with it, or TAWS for terrain warning. None of it helps when the pilot is disoriented. ATC had no authority to tell the pilot what to do. The pilot had a duty to tell ATC his intentions.
@merllhagard6799
@merllhagard6799 3 ай бұрын
Yes!! I was hoping you'd cover this one. Thanks a ton, dude.
@pilot-debrief
@pilot-debrief 3 ай бұрын
You bet!
@jhawker2895
@jhawker2895 3 ай бұрын
100% correct ... I totally agree with your assessment of flying into IFR without planning ahead.. This is a perfect example of all the training in simulated IFR doesn't mean you are prepared for unexpected encounters. This accident was totally preventable and is a great lesson for those pilots who think they are prepared for something to understand you still need to plan ahead and not allow over-confidence to maybe kill you and others .. Thanks for your video...
@reluctanthustler
@reluctanthustler 3 ай бұрын
I was one of the first few vehicles to be stopped by the sheriff when they were securing the scene that day. Several days a week I drove the 101 to Malibu and had to cut through the mountains on Los Virgenes Rd. Frequently dense fog and low clouds in that area specifically. Really sad. Thanks for the details.
@barbaramonaco105
@barbaramonaco105 3 ай бұрын
I live in the same general area. We were really socked in that day with low clouds and fog. I remember hearing the terrible news and thinking how dangerous the conditions were for helicopter flight. If only the pilot had chosen to land when he had the chance. Opportunities missed, lives lost. RIP everyone on board.
@thespadestable
@thespadestable 3 ай бұрын
The sea fog that day, based on the testimony of the residents who'd live there, was the thickest they've ever seen within the gap. Sea fog in that area is not uncommon, but not as thick, low hanging, and lingering as it was that day.
@FrankYammy
@FrankYammy 3 ай бұрын
Youre lucky, living in cali is nice
@roz805
@roz805 21 күн бұрын
@@thespadestable I can attest the fog was very bad that morning. We live a few miles from the airport they were headed to✌🏼
@oceancat0450
@oceancat0450 3 ай бұрын
I swore to myself I would NEVER GET IN A HELICOPTER after this tragedy. This is an example of how death can happen so quickly, to anyone.
@redtailpilot
@redtailpilot 3 ай бұрын
Death can and will happen, not just to "anyone", but to everyone... eventually. Be it in a helicopter, car or bed....be it quickly or slowly....but i get your point. Same reason I won't ride a motorcycle 🤣
@nancyjones6780
@nancyjones6780 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Hoover! What a tragedy all around. Appreciate your mentioning the other crash victims because, as you said, they are just as important . So unnecessary 😢
@thelegendrush
@thelegendrush 3 ай бұрын
Out of the plane wreck videos i watch, your channel is the best. I like how you show your info, and talk about it. Keep up the good work.
@drats1279
@drats1279 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for mentioning the other victims in this crash, their lives were just as important as the basketball players. So many stories, then and now, about this crash failed to mention anyone but the basketball player and his daughter similar to the shuttle explosion where it seemed the only occupant was the school teacher whose name and photo are still the only thing mentioned when referencing the tragedy.
@dmar82
@dmar82 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to break everything down so I can have a better understanding 👍🏼. Kobe is my favorite basketball player of all time and will forever be 💜💛
@marybarry2230
@marybarry2230 24 күн бұрын
Somehow, I missed that there were two other young ladies on the flight. That adults were killed was extremely sad, but that young girls also were killed is particularly tragic.
@ericstevens8744
@ericstevens8744 12 күн бұрын
I seen the full Autopsy reports for all of them They are horrific Gruesome
@bigjermboktown6976
@bigjermboktown6976 3 ай бұрын
When he said unfortunately at this point they only have 5 minutes left to live... That just sounded f****** terrifying
@squizzyt8698
@squizzyt8698 3 ай бұрын
As always, thank you for a thorough explanation and review - you are one of the most credible sources of information on KZbin!!!
@freelancerconverse4413
@freelancerconverse4413 3 ай бұрын
Fatal mistake was flying in that day. Should’ve canceled the flight.
@chrisyu98
@chrisyu98 Ай бұрын
mistake was flying VFR instead of filing an IFR plan.
@kellykarcher7179
@kellykarcher7179 Ай бұрын
The pilot was 100% at error. LAPD and LASD grounded their helicopters. No flight should have taken place.
@sheryldalton8965
@sheryldalton8965 28 күн бұрын
A few years ago my niece's friend got married near Stephensville Tx. The couple left the reception in her family's helicopter, in their wedding attire, to go home to prepare to leave for their honeymoon. They never made it as the helicopter crashed & killed them & the pilot.
@anjou6497
@anjou6497 28 күн бұрын
🥀❤
@raezzordaze8021
@raezzordaze8021 3 ай бұрын
Man that Van Nuys controller was excellent, so clear and concise.
@lord_haven1114
@lord_haven1114 3 ай бұрын
While I feel bad that Kobe is gone, It sucks more that there were kids that never had the opportunity to do great things and live their lives.
@jamesoncross7494
@jamesoncross7494 3 ай бұрын
In real estate, it's location, location, location. In helicopter flying, it's weather, weather, weather.
@danijuggernaut
@danijuggernaut 3 ай бұрын
Great report! Note: I had a friend in the 90's, he was Helicopter pilot and he quit his job. Too much stress, too dangerous, low salary.
@Ssenivac
@Ssenivac 3 ай бұрын
More likely he was fired for being a shitty pilot but told you he quit
@danijuggernaut
@danijuggernaut 3 ай бұрын
@@Ssenivac I'm an Aircraft mechanic like he was too. If you don't know nothing of a tail rotor fail and high speed landing maintaining 100 knots to keep the fuselage straight to counter rest rotor torque force. Engine fail floating? Autorotation? Thin air, there high in the mountains? Helicopters operate in high risk tasks. I would not board one if not necessary.
@JoshCartman
@JoshCartman 2 ай бұрын
I was on the way to a get together for a departed friend who passed a month prior on XMAS Eve, another friend sent me a message as I was leaving and I couldn't believe what I'd heard. Furthermore, I couldn't believe the wife (Christina Mauser) of a band member whose band I would go see 10 years prior quite often was also on this flight. I'd met her once, back in around 2009 or 2010. Out of respect, I made it a point to go see this particular band again, to support the member who was widowed. Funny thing is that at that point, it had been at least 13 years, but he remembered me well. I also would like to say that out of all the videos I'd seen of this crash, this one was so far the best. Thank you for creating this. RIP to all those on board.
@ericstevens8744
@ericstevens8744 12 күн бұрын
Well they won’t ever be late again
@basilodira4423
@basilodira4423 3 ай бұрын
Most important Mistake : Pilot did not say NO to Kobe. Weather was terrible
@lukemolloy2971
@lukemolloy2971 3 ай бұрын
G'day Hoover, thanks again for such a great debrief. Keep up the good work mate 👍
@thinkIndependent2024
@thinkIndependent2024 3 ай бұрын
Great Job!! Hoover you offer a unique perspective that creates insight
@kelrik9968
@kelrik9968 20 күн бұрын
One of the hardest calls I've ever seen a pilot (former coworker at a cargo airline) make was to cancel a flight for weather when two other flights from the same company had just departed minutes earlier. The company eventually acknowledged he made the right call, but he took a lot of heat that night. I think every pilot expects they will make the right call in that situation but it is a lot harder than most people think.
@dougiesherwin9591
@dougiesherwin9591 3 ай бұрын
Most accidents are, by definition, preventable. People make mistakes.
@michaelround8054
@michaelround8054 3 ай бұрын
Great debrief - here are a few additional items ... 1. by casually declaring he has climbing to 4000 through the clouds, Ara is telling us he climbs through the clouds all the time, VFR / IFR or not! What changed this time? 2. he was surprised by SOCAL coming on and saying "Who are you?" He had just told them! SOCAL had changed personnel, and the second individual told Ara to squak-ident to figure out where / who he was. 3. (inference) by taking his eyes off the artificial horizon to squak-ident, the helicopter started a slight turn. When he looks back, he sees this, tries to correct it, but because western artificial horizon indicators are counter-intuitive to pilots not used to them, he only made things worse by trying to level off.
@kevinfraser573
@kevinfraser573 3 ай бұрын
"western artificial horizon indicators" dont know what you mean by this. Found interesting the stat of 56 seconds after entering IFR for helo pilots. Do fixed wing pilots have better stats when a VFR pilot inadvertently flies into clouds? Another observation is pilots are reluctant to say the M word? "Mayday" There was a recent accident in Ten when the atc was reprimanding pilot on altitude and heading excursions when he had hands full trying to maintain control
@michaelround8054
@michaelround8054 3 ай бұрын
@rigel2112 By "eastern" vs "western" I mean the former holds the horizon level and the plane moves; the latter the plane is level and the horizon moves. If one is use to flying VFR you rarely rely on that indicator - there is no need. But if you're stuck in clouds and rely on this for the first time, likely you'll misread it. Interesting studies have been done on this - and Mayday Crash shows as well!
@skyboy1956
@skyboy1956 Ай бұрын
I think he knew he was entering an area of rising terrain and the hilltops would be obscured in the layer. I think he made a hail mary decision to climb on top to avoid flying into the ground. I don't think he did it all the time. The decision to pull up and get on top was likely quite distracting because he knew it was illegal.
@nightcrawleroriginal
@nightcrawleroriginal 23 күн бұрын
As an Ex-Commercial mountain helicopter pilot I faced "many" bad weather challenges. When I look at this very unfortunate accident one thing really sticks out in my mind, why did he push this situation into a bad one. The airspeed alone was far to high for such Limited Weather conditions. I would have 180'd back to base or landed right their to either wait it out or get my bearings back, and try again weather providing and Slowly 40 to 60 knots not exceeding Special VFR Limits. My condolences.
@ericstevens8744
@ericstevens8744 12 күн бұрын
Rich people generally have 💩 for brains anyways 😂 They think thier money will get them out of anything It won’t get you out of the Grave 😂😂😂
@Redtail_Pilot
@Redtail_Pilot 8 күн бұрын
@@ericstevens8744 Another ridiculous comment envying "rich" people. 🙄 The OP was specifically talking about the actions and thought process of the PIC. Stay on point.
@unitedstatesdale
@unitedstatesdale 3 ай бұрын
New to this Channel. I must say this is the best debrief I've ever viewed. Thank you
@DawleyDude
@DawleyDude 3 ай бұрын
It's nice to hear someone acknowledge the other passengers, between the media only talking and paying tribute to Kobe and police having to stop people stealing parts from the crash site the whole thing was really bad!
@Umakemelaff
@Umakemelaff 2 ай бұрын
A man has to know his limitations.
@CaptainAndy99
@CaptainAndy99 3 ай бұрын
As usual another well produced video. Thank you.
@gun30t
@gun30t 3 ай бұрын
Great video Steve-O. Thanks for sharing.
@chitoim2332
@chitoim2332 3 ай бұрын
😭😭
@purplelilacs9742
@purplelilacs9742 21 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@Mike84826
@Mike84826 2 ай бұрын
I think it was "get-there-itis." Everything points to that.
@the_shadow_realm5110
@the_shadow_realm5110 3 ай бұрын
This dude was intent on pushing his chopper to the absolute limit.
@Matter-of-Fax
@Matter-of-Fax 3 ай бұрын
To me it sounds like he never wanted to fail Kobe, and knew that if he declared an emergency or showed that he couldn’t handle any and every situation, that Kobe would throw him to the side and find a new pilot. Just my feel on why he did everything against his training and experience
@UpgradeOTL
@UpgradeOTL 3 ай бұрын
On this Cali morning I was outside smoking dat good and thought to myself "why do I hear a helicopter in this SUPER foggy weather Right now" 15 mins later news broke... that was Kobe's Copter 😥😭
@Maverick____1
@Maverick____1 2 ай бұрын
U lie
@QuadriviumNumbers
@QuadriviumNumbers 18 күн бұрын
Dope fiend waffle! Be quiet.
@nastysoda9212
@nastysoda9212 3 ай бұрын
Pilots, always leave yourself backup plans, expect the weather to be much worse than forecasted and have a plan for that. The problem with this flight is he had NO backup and acted as if climbing into the ceiling was impossible, but that would have saved his life. declare an emergency and go through the inadvertant mfc procedures, this wills aves your life and your passengers.
@operator8014
@operator8014 Ай бұрын
Kobe from the back seat, "MAN, YOU GOTTA DUNK THAT SHIT!!"
@6AlphaMikeCharlie9
@6AlphaMikeCharlie9 3 ай бұрын
It normally boils down to overconfidence and cutting corners to save or make up time.
@russell-di8js
@russell-di8js 3 ай бұрын
Living in the UK, I recently discovered this channel . I am neither a pilot or frequent flyer but as i age i find i am able to work my brain following the detailed descriptions of these airborne tales. As an amateur i have to thank Hoover & the PD crew for making these videos informative & easy to understand for the layman. Also it's fantastic that gore, damage & disaster are plainly not the main reason for the posts & that you have a respect for people working in trying circumstances. Take care & once again thanks to all involved.
@sophocles1198
@sophocles1198 3 ай бұрын
I also find the human thought processes and proneness to errors fascinating in these stories, though I am on the ground 99.99% of the time.
@russell-di8js
@russell-di8js 3 ай бұрын
@@sophocles1198 The people involved in these posts unfortunately now are at 100%!!
@derrickclemons2862
@derrickclemons2862 3 ай бұрын
Great job explaining what happened, such a terrible tragedy. I lived near that crash site for over 20 years...
@CeciliaCorradini
@CeciliaCorradini 3 ай бұрын
Kobe has legend status here in Italy, too. He grew up in a small city nearby where his father then played, and the tiny basketball stadium there has a giant picture of him sprayed on the entrance wall by a street artist. Placards in the small square alongside detail of his school kid days there. The square is named after him and Gianna. I am sure he would be glad to hear the names of the other occupants mentioned, too, Hoover.
@willcthestormchaser6493
@willcthestormchaser6493 3 ай бұрын
kobe was a RAPIST
@Anthony-gq7dk
@Anthony-gq7dk 3 ай бұрын
Your reports are superb. Well done.
@misplacedsouthern1236
@misplacedsouthern1236 Ай бұрын
Thank you for covering how this unthinkable accident happened. Though, it doesn’t change the outcome or give back the lives lost, it does help to know what happened, how it might have been prevented and also to know that Kobe Bryant truly was the responsible man we thought him to be. I admired his athleticism and the way he conducted his life so this serves to strengthen those positive opinions. Mr. Bryant was doing everything he believed to be right to keep not just his own daughter and his self but everyone on board safe. My Prayers and deepest sympathies go out to all who lost their lives, the families, friends, co-workers and acquaintances of all. I know will only help ease pain but it will never remove it from those left behind. We must all remember them and keep them alive in our hearts and memories. Again, thank you for covering this difficult accident. I am now a follower but I must admit I had to forward through some of the details as it’s heartbreaking even after this length of time. I know children were lost and that is a heartbreak that never stops. I’m so deeply sorry. May God Bless Each One of You and May You Be United Again. I don’t believe there will be years in Heaven. Mothers & Fathers will unite with their Children.
@Redtail_Pilot
@Redtail_Pilot Ай бұрын
Amen 🙏🏾
@rjsledz
@rjsledz Ай бұрын
I think he was just overconfident that day
@MarkShinnick
@MarkShinnick 24 күн бұрын
Unprepared ALL days.
@ericstevens8744
@ericstevens8744 12 күн бұрын
Well they don’t have to worry about it anymore now do they ? They might have been rich but they had 💩 for brains 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@Ja50nkAt
@Ja50nkAt 3 ай бұрын
To have only 7 real hours in IFR seems insane to be out in that thick fog, he for sure probably felt pressure to get Kobe where he needed to be and not disappoint.
@denverbraughler3948
@denverbraughler3948 3 ай бұрын
The insane part is that he was there even though he wasn’t supposed to be flying in it.
@thespadestable
@thespadestable 3 ай бұрын
It wasn't "thick fog", it was sea fog. The two are not the same. Also, sea fog is very common within the Calabasas Gap as the cold air of the Pacific comes off the ocean inland and mixes with the warm air. It's heavily common to blind drivers coming over the Golden Gate Bridge. The problem that day was the density of the sea fog once rolled into the gap had nowhere to go, so it lingered and kept getting thicker from the fog that kept being pushed inland off of the ocean. Any other day, visibility would've been good enough to had just followed RT 101 through the gap with no problems.
@denverbraughler3948
@denverbraughler3948 2 ай бұрын
@@thespadestable: Something that’s very common could have happened any other day. Steam fog wasn’t some freak event; it wasn’t unusual. The pilot could see what he was flying into. His choices were turn back, land, or fly above. During the hold, he had fifteen minutes to rethink his plan. The comment that he should have been competent to fly IFR in order to request rotorwing SVFR is correct. Everyone was counting on the pilot for their safety. It’s inexcusable that he lost control of the aircraft because of fog.
@thespadestable
@thespadestable 2 ай бұрын
@@denverbraughler3948 - _"Steam fog wasn’t some freak event; it wasn’t unusual"_ I clearly stated the residents, notably the long-term residents within the Calabasas Gap said they'd never seen the sea fog that thick, nor lingered for that long. So, they made it very clear that it was an unusual event. Second, I also noted the flight was held up at Burbank Airport due to flights that were coming off of the Pacific to LAX were being redirected to Burbank due to visibility issues. If I'm not mistaken, they were in the air for 15-20 minutes before they were able to fly through the airspace to continue on I-5, to I-405, to 101 and into the Calabasas Gap. Since there were no commercial aircrafts flying through the gap, there was no one to report to ATC or other aircrafts the decreased visibility with it. So, what plan was there to rethink? Lastly, anyone can say what they would've done after the fact, but the facts remain, once the ventured into the gap and realized conditions was worse than he assumed, he attempted to turn around and fly out, but due to visibility, it wasn't as easy as just making a u-turn and head in the opposite direction due to having to take into account changes in elevations, trees, and powerlines and other hazards. It was near impossible to just pick a spot and land, due to not being able to see the ground through the fog, and having to be cautious of changes in elevation, powerlines, buildings, light poles, and other hazards. Flying through the Calabasas Gap is not a great challenge in perfect condition, all you do is keep a safe elevation to avoid trees and powerlines, and follow the 101, but all bets were off once he lost track of the highway.
@paulyg1741
@paulyg1741 3 ай бұрын
I've lived between SNA and Camarillo for 18 years, it was an unusually overcast day. But I've also worked with celebrities, these folks are not used to being told no. Not victim blaming, but still.....
@robertheywood141
@robertheywood141 3 ай бұрын
As a helicopter pilot, the beauty of helicopters is that they can land almost anywhere safely. I have sat weather out on the ground more than once. A helicopter should almost never go IIMC.
@pibbles-a-plenty1105
@pibbles-a-plenty1105 3 ай бұрын
"Inadvertent" means what it means. That's the first "I" in IIMC.
@robertheywood141
@robertheywood141 3 ай бұрын
Yes, but he chose to try to climb to 4000ft and flew right into IMC instead of just landing. That was not "inadvertent". That was intentional.
@DownTheRabbit-Hole
@DownTheRabbit-Hole 3 ай бұрын
I agree. He was scud running 101 and definitely knew that the terrain rises in that area. I think he got distracted with comms and AP/SAS engagement and got in unrecoverable unusual attitude in 3-5 seconds. Probably panicked and pitched up and went into accelerated stall.
@outoftime7740
@outoftime7740 21 күн бұрын
As soon as he had no visibility ahead. He should have done a 180 turn and landed back, at Van Nuys airport and took a limo, the rest of the way. Then told Kobe he would fly them back to O.C. once he was finished. So sad. I have lived near the coast of California, all my life and at any time, on some nights and early mornings, the fog can be so thick, that you cant even see your hand, in front of your face. You don't mess with the fog.
@dicksonfranssen
@dicksonfranssen 3 ай бұрын
As Hoover has pointed out with this crash and so many others it's not just about the celebrities. This irritates me to no end as if the loss of one life is seemingly more tragic than another's. It's not just a U.S. thing, we live in Canada where the nightly news might be "Ferry sinks in the Philippines, 200 confirmed dead. No word yet if any Canadians were involved" *as if that would make it so much worse* The "steerage class" scenes in Titanic were mostly a true reflection of a class based society. I find that to be pathetic and heartbreaking.
@Bruce.-Wayne
@Bruce.-Wayne 3 ай бұрын
Well, blame it on the Celebrity Crazed US of A.....
@Domino13334
@Domino13334 Ай бұрын
What confuses me sometimes is when a wealthy family loses 3 people and the news cover the story in big fashion and we all should feel with the surviving members etc. Than a news report of a ship sinking in a third world country, 300 died. The report lasts 20 seconds.
@Vny19
@Vny19 2 ай бұрын
The reason the controller didn't say "radar services terminated," is because he never said radar contact to begin with.
@barbarachambers7974
@barbarachambers7974 3 ай бұрын
A fresh look at a tragedy that has been covered by others. I learned many new things with your coverage.
@johnb8440
@johnb8440 3 ай бұрын
Duck under syndrome and Getthereitis killed them. Upon finding IMC conditions he should have turned around and put it down. Set your minimums, and abide to them.
@CA2APat
@CA2APat 2 ай бұрын
My best reminder as a pilot is “time to spare, go by air.” It’s been my mental jog that, hey, get there itis is at play here so rethink your current situation.
@BGRUBBIN
@BGRUBBIN 3 ай бұрын
I have a friend that has flown VFR for his entire life. When he heard this accident, first thing he said pilot didn't know how to read his instruments?
@redtailpilot
@redtailpilot 3 ай бұрын
I disagree. He was an Instrument rated pilot and CFII (Instrument instructor), as well as the chief pilot. You don't earn those FAA certifications and not demonstrate that you can fly by sole reference to instruments. He definitely KNEW how to read his instruments. He failed to use them BEFORE becoming spatially disoriented. Once spatial D sets in, all bets are off and recovery that close to terrain can be impossible. It's a human mistake that can happen to anyone.
@brianshaheen1138
@brianshaheen1138 3 ай бұрын
Apparently Ara either didn't know about or forgot how to use what they call the "Go Around" function on the SK76B autopilot. Press that and the aircraft goes wings level, best rate of climb speed and collective goes to take off power. Then you use the heading bug to navigate away from known obstacles or terrain. Ara didn't know the aircraft as well as he should have. The fact that he was already out of control when he made the last radio call heavily implies that he was hand flying the aircraft in an aircraft thats not designed to be hand flown. Especially in MVFR or IMC. He could have saved everyone with the press of one. button.
@stevevenn1
@stevevenn1 3 ай бұрын
We asked for this one and you delivered! Excellent analysis of the fateful trip.
@QUIRK1019
@QUIRK1019 3 ай бұрын
I remember that news hitting me real hard. He was a phenomenal player, but I had become an even larger fan as he embraced his new role as "Girl Dad"
@ryangrey8643
@ryangrey8643 2 ай бұрын
Two days before Kobe died we had returned to LA from our visit to Wuhan, China. We all had COVID upon our return and when they broke into the tv show to report Kobe had died in a plane. crash I thought I was hallucinating. We were one of the first COVID cases in the US and had been on a plane with 200 other passengers. It was a day I will never forget!
@Professional--Gamer
@Professional--Gamer 3 ай бұрын
It was kobe fault he wanted to fly in bad weather
@samreilly1484
@samreilly1484 17 күн бұрын
But he did the flight the previous day and on and off since January 2 without any issues and he always trusted the pilot to abort the flight whenever he encountered weather he didn’t think he could handle
@juancerda2035
@juancerda2035 Ай бұрын
As a nurse also the first thing is drilled to us is SAFETY 1st ! You cannot say it better, I also must add that as human we must remains humble, humble to admit that something is wrong and/ or even one is a proffesional or expert in certain area, there are definitely moments that is best to say hey I’m in trouble I need help, & just that mistakes the huge and ultimate different between been alive or dead, not only you but the rest in the helicopter. A definetly tragedy 😢😢
@cardinalRG
@cardinalRG Ай бұрын
Well said.
@chase4742
@chase4742 3 ай бұрын
Crazy that that’s more wreckage than flight 93 in PA on 9/11
@johnnymac1976
@johnnymac1976 3 ай бұрын
I don't understand why IFR flight training and practice for commercial pilots don't have much higher minimum standards. So many lives could be saved.
@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis
@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis 3 ай бұрын
I’ve been asking Hoover to cover this, and I am so excited that he finally has!! Thanks for covering it, and thanks for mentioning the names of the others that died that day. Where I live, my news mentioned Kobe’s death, along with his daughter and then mentioned that some other people had also I died. It’s nice of you to show their names and pictures.
@CharlieOkeson
@CharlieOkeson 3 ай бұрын
Yes, thank you for talking about the other poor souls on the helicopter that day.
@Boomer045
@Boomer045 3 ай бұрын
It’s already been four years..!! Wow, feels like yesterday.
@reynaldochua772
@reynaldochua772 2 ай бұрын
Poor judment by the Pilot.
@jeannemarcinek4575
@jeannemarcinek4575 3 ай бұрын
It was nice that you acknowledged the other people who died also. Be safe, warm/cool, and blessings.
@andyhoran2661
@andyhoran2661 3 ай бұрын
I remember when the crash occurred. I live about 15 miles from there and drove that section of highway everyday. The canyon is really tight with mountains on all sides and it always holds fog. It will be clear in thousand oaks and woodland hills, but that section has fog because it comes up las virgenes canyon. If he had followed the 118 like atc suggested, he likely would have been fine. That section of freeway has a wider gap between the mountains and doesn't get as foggy
@3gsFreak
@3gsFreak 3 ай бұрын
That day was the first time Kobe passed.
@FLLatto
@FLLatto 3 ай бұрын
Your sick .. fix your brain 🤦🏾‍♂️
@visual-enthusiast
@visual-enthusiast 3 ай бұрын
I was living in Van Nuys when I got the notification of the crash. At that time, the weather was compromised at ground level
@joh466
@joh466 3 ай бұрын
Womp womp. They all died with hearts full of pride and that’s the sad part.
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