686v525 Is there a clear winner?

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[@felixd7818]

Very fair report. It is the feel of a gun that gives us that little subjective significance of comfort and balance. After 30 years with a Browning I went to the Beretta. Scores went up, satisfaction increased, and endurance improved.

[@DFox-ud3gx]

I purchased a 686 sporter 30" 12 bore I like it a lot. But in back of my head just wondering if Browning is better? My friend shoots a Browning sport model,we have the same avg too.

[@lloydyp]

Thanks Felix.

[@charleskittler4330]

Fine job Lloyd we all look forward to more videos like this one 👍👍

[@lloydyp]

Thanks Charles.

[@jameshogg601]

We have 19 Berrettas on our shoot and they have been outstanding reliability wise. Both are quality products you can't go wrong either way

[@caseysimpson1806]

This is an excellent review. Mr. Pattison offers outstanding advice for selecting a shotgun. Over the years, I have handled each model but was not able to rent for testing. I went with the 686. Where I hunt (Arizona and the mountainous western US), it is often necessary to cover miles of rough country to find birds. I hope to pass this shotgun on to my grandchildren. Subscribed to the channel.

[@lloydyp]

Thanks Casey. I would love to see some photos from your hunts, that is some beautiful country.

[@edbigtruck]

You can’t go wrong with either of these. I have the Beretta 686 with 30’ inch barrels I use for sporting clays.

[@bb5242]

wow, 30 foot barrels?

[@markhoward4163]

Much better review then your Beretta bashing of 5 years ago! Both gun are absolutely great and have a great history, Good job Lloyd!

[@busta87]

Having learnt to shoot with a 686 and struggled to be consistent but as soon as picked up my 525 it just felt right. I did leave the mid bead on to make sure I didn't cant when shouldering, I was going to remove it bit tbh I don't even see it now.

[@lloydyp]

Thanks Mark

[@HunterB777]

Browning's slap my face. Beretta's do not. The 686 fits me better. Get the shotgun that fits you better!

[@lloydyp]

indeed.

[@usmcsniper2310]

The Beretta feels better to me. Both are well made. There is no wrong choice, just whichever feels better and fits you.

[@lloydyp]

Correct.

[@glenns7139]

Shot both, liked both, so bought both. For me the beretta has the edge. Bit lower in the comb which suits me better. Both of these are brilliant guns.

[@maxwelm7408]

browning 525 for me had one since 2016 and absolutley love it

[@shug2795]

I too prefer the svelte feel of the Beretta over Browning's chunky feel. In a wild bird field gun, double beads and chunky both translate into missed birds. You shouldn't have ANYTHING compromise your site plane. The focus should be on target, target and then target....not the barrels/beads etc.etc. JMO as a past member of the local skeet/trap club and now as a dedicated upland hunter of wild bird species.

[@thephotoyak]

How does a mid bead comprise the target? No experienced shooter is paying any attention to the bead on a flushed bird. It's there to check your mount for the pre mounted games, aside from that it does nothing, but it doesn't get in the way or distract either.

[@shug2795]

@@thephotoyak Sill, I agree with you. No experienced hunter is paying attention to the bead(s) while bird hunting. I also agree that you can use a double bead to align your barrels when trap shooting etc. If you want to multi purpose your shotgun, I think you are 100% correct. I was thinking strictly as a wild bird tool and in this arena, you don't pay attention to a mid-bead, as you stated. ...my apologies. I don't have many guns at all but I have a couple more aligned for target shooting (12 & 20) and a couple (20 & 28) strictly for bird shooting. Neither of my bird guns have a mid bead.

[@lloydyp]

You are a wingshooter clearly Shug. I would expect you to prefer the lighter gun.

[@shug2795]

@@lloydyp Very true Sir. Thankfully, there is something out there for us all!

[@Brunosdad]

The Pigeon 1 looks nice and modern as the browning is the one my granddad would go for.

[@seabee7071]

Lloyd - Another fair and honest opinion. I admire your no nonsense and objective approach when evaluating shotguns. I have owned Browning shotguns in the past, and recently purchased a used Beretta 686 onyx. You are correct. It is the hand of the shooter that will determine the right feel. I was amazed as to how well the 686 felt and shot. To each his own. Thank you again for your time and efforts on producing quality KZbin videos !!! JJP

[@lloydyp]

You are very welcome.

[@steved9147]

I have both for different shooting. Browning has always made a great and reliable product. Beretta also makes a great and reliable product so you are exact;ly correct..it depends on the "feel" to you which cannot be quantified. I prefer the Beretta for field us and the Browning for skeet and trap

[@marcopinheiro2490]

Great review, Lloyd. Really liked the way you concluded the review - shoot both, and buy the one you like better! On a separate note, I would love to hear your thoughts/review of the Rizzini round body.

[@lloydyp]

So would I mate. I've been asking ASI to send me test guns for 2 years. 🤷‍♂️ Thanks for the feedback 😀.

[@markbutler1616]

There is a solidity about the Browning/Miroku guns. Recent Berettas have left me cold and a brand that was once synonymous with quality has, I feel, lost that reputation. If Browning would only fit better firing pins that don't crater so rapidly.......

[@lloydyp]

Firing pins are cheap, and the cratering is cosmetic.

[@markbutler1616]

@@lloydyp True Lloyd, but why fit a "cheap" component to a quality gun?

[@lloydyp]

🤷‍♂️ it's a Browning, the pins get pitted. I don't know why they use the steel they do.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Shot both, liked both, so I bought the 686 SP I in 20 gauge. Loved that gun so much, I went out and bought the 687 SP III in 12 ga. Loved that gun so much, I went out and bought a 687 SP III in 28 gauge. Beretta #1!!!!!

[@blackadder1966]

I had this dilemma 10 years ago and all though I'm a beretta fan I bought a browning Gp. Essentially it came down to the ventilated barrels and style. The ejectors on the Gp can also be turned off and at the time this was a bonus, but practically I've never used it.

[@grahamedwards9920]

I agree it’s a matter of preference - how the gun feels. I have shot berettas for most of the last 40 years but then l was persuaded to try a browning 525 and I now own 3 in 12g - 20g + 28g. There is no right or wrong, we are all different. Enjoy your reviews Lloyd, keep them coming.

[@lloydyp]

Cheers man, will do.

[@jimg691]

Browning is the winner in my book, I bought a 325 30" sporting back in 1994 and have never regretted it.

[@lloydyp]

I think a lot of people will agree with you.

[@nmhvactech5474]

Personally I like the Italian guns because they are more elegant beautiful. Brownings seem utilitarian and mechanical. I shot them side by side and I just wanted to like the Beretta 686 SP but I felt like it was to lite and kicked to much. Wanted a CG, but was talked into a Browning 725. I went with the 725 Pro Sporting ( USA version, not EU version, which is better ) and it’s really grown on me. Great first O/U gun. In the future though I will go with a mid-range Italian gun!!!

[@Jolly56Roger]

look like they are made up of bits and pieces ,as Browning are one elegant one piece masterpiece of engineering ,and don't forget the war 30 CAL 50 CAL SPITFIRE B17 LANC EVERYTHIRE

[@raybishop3176]

Great video as usual, two problems for us in the states. One, 525 not available in the states, 2, you ask a gun dealer if you can shoot one of their firearms, they think your crazy. You folks in the UK get way more varity of shotguns but have to go through way more to buy one.

[@dimosthenismagos7982]

As always very nice review........as for pontetial buyers.....buy both guns...you won't regret it for neither one !!

[@lloydyp]

Thanks man,

[@olddiver]

Been shooting for a half century and a bit more. The most important takeaway here is the point well made about fit and feel in the hands. I have shoot Brownings ma y times in the field ( upland game) and at the range and they are well made and serviceable pieces all. On the other hand, I have #11 Berettas O/Us throughout my family. I shoot an EELL at the range and my old Silver Pigeon in the field. For me, Italian shotguns are next level over Brownings. They are quicker, swing better and produce higher scores and birds taken. I do have and love my Browning rifles though. Cheers.

[@3211Co]

"Shoot-em both, buy them both"... lol

[@Turbo-wj9qc]

Ive been a big Beretta fan for a long time but I only shoot sub gauge and I like the chunkier brownings built on a 20ga frame in 28 and 410.

[@erikwilson7622]

I have both. Preference, the 525 (better sight plane for me). However, mechanically, out of the box Beretta is better. The lower barrel on the 525 sometimes has misfire, due to poor primer strike in cold weather. That was fixed by ordering a new lower firing pin and hammer spring (even made a tool to change out!) The original lower pin mic'ed like 3/1000 shorter than the new one. Once replaced, no issues, and maybe a grillion rounds thru it!!

[@lloydyp]

Many people find that either Browning or Beretta guns fit them better due to the differences in the action geometry.

[@pauleasthope8309]

I have owned both , I feel the quality of the browning is a bit better .Of the 2 berettas I have owned the adjustable trigger fell of one and the fore sight bead fell off both , I have never had anything drop off the browning /mirokus I have owned. More importantly , as you say, for guns that are so similar they do feel different to shoot - I don't know why - they just do . Like you prefer the browning.

[@lloydyp]

They feel very different due to the action profile, Browning stand apart with their tall actions and feel like Brownings.

[@ianevans67]

I was recently in this situation having to choose. The 686 although nice as it is has a stigma attached as a ladies gun. Sorry I couldn't get past this so I opted for the Miroku MK70 grade 5. I wasn't disappointed

[@lloydyp]

I have never thought of the 686 as a ladies gun, where are you from?

[@grahamlong6870]

Try a Baikal then if you think that a silver pigeon has a stigma. A Baikal is chunky, strongly made, and feels like you are attempting to shoot a combine harvester! Stigma? Really?

[@briantaylor4564]

Thanks for a great video. I am currently seeking to purchase a new sporter and have narrowed my choices down to these two. I have owned both Browning and Beretta o/u's in the past and have zero negative comments about either. My question to you is this...I have heard lately that Browning's customer service is a bit of mess with many folks having similar complaints about repair work and longer than normal turn-around times for that work. While I certainly expect repairs for either brand to be rarely necessary, I am concerned about the possibility of having to wait several weeks or months to get my gun back, should I buy the 525. Any information you could provide would be appreciated. Thanks, and keep putting out quality videos that are both helpful and informative. Brian from Georgia (USA)

[@lloydyp]

Hey Brian, I'm afraid I can't comment on the warranty situation in the US other than hearsay. I've never dealt with Browning on your side of 5he pond in person. I can say that none of the Browning's I have owned have developed any faults but that doesn't really answer your question. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Have you spoken to your local gunstores about their experience of Browning?

[@jamesmcalevey6749]

Make sure you buy a box of spare firing pins as my friends has to change his bottom pin every 2 ~ 3 k cartridges

[@gelasak1]

The browning has mechanical trigger system while beretta has inertia. This means that if beretta missfire the first shot then it doesn't fire the second one. Browning all the way. It has better and more reliable mechanism.

[@lloydyp]

Yeah no it doesn't. The 525 is Inertia. You are thinking of the 725.

[@gelasak1]

​@@lloydyp You are right. I thought that 525 has mechanical trigger too like the 725. But I was wrong. Personally as a hunter I hate inertia triggers. ................

[@williamavery9185]

Oh wow, cant decide....no, Beretta !

[@Jolly56Roger]

Mk38 32 " trap 3/4 full S&B Really is the confidence to win.👌🏻🙌🏻

[@lloydyp]

What have you won with yours Roger?

[@pauljames970]

Hi Lloyd, I went to buy a new silver pigeon 1 in 28 gauge but it wasn't steel proofed so I looked at the Browning 525 in 28 gauge, again not steel proofed in today's climate it would be crazy to buy a new gun that's not steel proofed. What's going on with the 28 bore ????

[@texlee1640]

I have owned both (725, not the 525) and I think they both have their merits. Neither has great wood and they both lack in fit and finish when compared to the higher trim models. I much prefer the way the Beretta feels and handles but if I am being honest I think I shot the Browning better. Around here the Browning costs a few hundred more surprisingly. You can't go wrong with either gun.

[@lloydyp]

The 725 is not the same as the 525. It's hardly a like for like comparison.

[@texlee1640]

@@lloydyp Agreed but the 725 is a much shallower action than the 525 and therefor a better comparison to the 686 than the 525. Over here the 725 is the popular gun and has been for a long while. I have shot 325/525's many times in the field as well, they definitely have more of the traditional Citori "large frame" feel. I realize that this video compares the 525 specifically, I was just expressing my opinion on both makes at this level as a whole.

[@lloydyp]

The point of the comparison between these guns is that they are similar price, the action design is of no import to a newbie buying his first gun, price is however a factor.

[@chrischadwick5395]

I’m totally new to the sport. I’m sure I’m wrong in saying this (but please tell me why).. If someone likes the SP but it’s lower in the comb, couldn’t they just buy the adjustable comb version of the SP in order to get it fitting better or more like the browning?

[@lloydyp]

Yes, but they would need to *know* they need to do that. And that very much depends where you buy from and how good their service is.

[@mchughcb]

I was waiting for it. "I prefer the Browning" comment by every clay target reviewer. Now where's my Beretta sponsorship lol!

[@lloydyp]

I look at individual guns, not brands. I can't think of any sponsored shooters who run a 686SP1.

[@anthonyrussomanno1540]

I like the Browning better I looked at both and bought the browning it was more solid felt better I’ve shot both I will say the Browning was a higher grade but it just felt better

[@paulwilson7234]

Good advice as usual!

[@lloydyp]

Cheers Paul

[@antonisbak8168]

The shots of browning is way better than Beretta I made a lot of tests with guns of both brands in perforation and in pattern of the shards you can see the difference browning its a lot better

[@ericbernhardsen4826]

Great Video! Any chance you're going to be able to get your hands on one of the offerings from Rizzini? Would love to hear your take on of their guns.

[@lloydyp]

I have been waiting 2 years so far...

[@ericbernhardsen4826]

@@lloydyp Holy Crap!

[@ericbernhardsen4826]

@@lloydyp if you're ever in the states and in NY, you can take one of mine for a test drive.

[@lloydyp]

Where in NY?

[@ericbernhardsen4826]

About 60miles north of the city.

[@georgeanaxagora1134]

Both have the same weight the Browning feels heavier what obout balance?

[@lloydyp]

I wouldnt say it feels heavier, it feels more substantial. The balance on both guns is pretty neutral, with the Beretta feeling a little faster in the swing. Balance can be easily tuned with a little weight in the stock of course if your gun is a little barrel heavy, more difficult if you are barrel light.

[@spreadeagled5654]

I own both, I shoot both and I love them both. Nice guns! 👍👍

[@SamhainBe]

Debating this right now...

[@bobcarter5223]

Surprised you didn't mention drop at comb and heel. Isn't there a significant difference between the two marques?

[@lloydyp]

525 is 36-56 vs 686 35-66 or thereabouts. 10mm difference at the heel is big difference but most new shooters wont know what it means and since the drop at comb is near as dammit the same I didnt feel it worth mentioning.

[@bobcarter5223]

@@lloydyp Fair comment. My first gun was a Beretta and soon found out it was too low in the comb and spent £200 to retrofit an adjustable comb. My game gun is a 525 and that fits out of the box. It's a bit like supporting Liverpool and Everton!

[@lloydyp]

Just heard back from Beretta UK, turns out the 2019 686 Sporter is 36-57 so near as dammit identical anyway on the latest guns. the field grade is 37/58, just fyi.

[@seniorelzappo9919]

Quite simple , If you love watching Strictly, drive an electric micro car and have size 7 feet then the Beretta is the gun for you...

[@lloydyp]

lol

[@dr.phil-federalinspector6023]

Lloyd..If Browning is made in Japan ! Is it at a Browning factory..or is it now made by Miroku..for Browning???

[@lloydyp]

Browning is owned by FN Herstal, FN Herstal have a commercial partnership with Miroku of Japan, and I believe they jointly bought out Browning's stock in 1977. So yeah, Miroku make Browning shotguns. Premium Brownings are made in Belgium.

[@drfawzyelgaly3976]

what is the winner browning or beretta؟ and what is the best shoting gun over under that can stay years with me with high quality for shoting duck and pegeons ؟

[@lloydyp]

Watch the video.

[@drfawzyelgaly3976]

@@lloydyp i watched it but i am not excellent in english i am just good so i can not get the finish of compairison also i want your opinion because you are profissional

[@lloydyp]

@@drfawzyelgaly3976 ok I understand. Both are excellent guns but I prefer the Browning due to my size and shape. I think it's the slightly better clay gun of the 2 and the Beretta is the better game gun.

[@drfawzyelgaly3976]

@@lloydyp thank you sir do you mean hunting by game gun؟

[@lloydyp]

@@drfawzyelgaly3976 yes.

[@Noone765]

Just buy them both. 😎

[@leegundry835]

Nice 1 ....another excellent vid 👍

[@lloydyp]

Cheers Lee.

[@SimplyRed66]

Miroku Browning 👍👌

[@lloydyp]

I know which you would buy then.

[@SimplyRed66]

I had Beretta in the 80s,Browning+ Miroku in the 90s. I have a Miroku MK38 . Still love my late dad's Miroku 800 (1972). So l prefer Browning over Beretta and am a Miroku fan 👌👍

[@eamonward9036]

Beretta silver pigeon had one worst gun i ever had ejector kept getting stuck got rid of it 👎👎

[@lloydyp]

We've all had a dog at some point.

[@yuriys.6352]

It's interesting why they don't make high rib?🤔

[@lloydyp]

They do, it just has a different model designation.

[@slafchistyakov5645]

What about recoil? Can anybody tell me which gun has less recoil?

[@lloydyp]

Depends entirely on how well they fit. There is no right answer to this that someone could give you I we the internet.

[@slafchistyakov5645]

@@lloydyp Thank you for your answer

[@manuelguerra709]

Puede usted hablar un poco más rápido, pues no le entiendo bien. Gracias

[@nikolasnikolaou5561]

Ok... 1) beretta point of impact is shit(for the most guns) 2)beretta balance is better than browning. 3) beretta woods better than brownings. 4)browning lock system better than beretta (not the system of dt10-11) 5) brownings for me have better trigger. 6) beretta feels better in hands and swings very nice browning not) 7) chekerring of browning not very good, beretta better

[@yuriys.6352]

I thought you would prefer 686😬

[@tudorwynphillips6458]

Very good video, excellent many thanks.

[@lloydyp]

Cheers man.

[@browningmaxus5360]

I had beretta and now browning I couldn't hit a barn with beretta but shoot the browning maxus alot better won't buy beretta again.

[@lloydyp]

I would never have figured that out from your name :D

[@alihassan-ni3iq]

ماهو سعر بريتا 694

[@lloydyp]

In the UK? As of writing £3040 , RRP is £3300. I have no idea how much they will be in your country, Sorry Ali.

[@alihassan-ni3iq]

شكراً

[@lloydyp]

@@alihassan-ni3iq على الرحب والسعة

[@toqeerabbas9991]

Price plz

[@lloydyp]

£1450 for the Browning, £1600 for the beretta

[@toqeerabbas9991]

Wow

[@steliosxintavelonakis5298]

Ata arms sp nickel ! 😉

[@lloydyp]

No thanks.

[@user-eh2nu5qt5d]

Что лучше для охоты и спорта браунинг или беретта ?

[@lloydyp]

Мой выбор был бы Браунингом, я предпочитаю обращаться с немного более тяжелым оружием.

[@user-eh2nu5qt5d]

@@lloydyp почему ваш выбор на тяжелое оружие? Говорят у браунинга сверловка ствола 18.8 это ухудшает кучность и резкость неужели это действительно так?

[@lloydyp]

@@user-eh2nu5qt5d Я думаю, что скучность составляет 18,7 мм, это проблема, только если вы ограничены волокнистыми пачками. Я не видел разницы в моих тестах, чтобы показать, что скучность влияет на точность. Что касается моих предпочтений, я прежде всего глиняный стрелок, и мне нравятся тяжелые орудия. Также я считаю, что габаритные размеры пистолетов Beretta 680 слишком тонки для меня. Конечно, это личное мнение, я большой парень, многие люди любят Beretta 686, но вы спросили меня, что я выберу.

[@user-eh2nu5qt5d]

@@lloydyp сверловка ствола какая у браунинга ? Вы стреляете нитро порохами может быть это не влияет на диаметр ствола и его длину 760 мм

[@lloydyp]

@@user-eh2nu5qt5d У меня стволы 810 мм, но я не уверен, что понимаю ваш вопрос о топливе.