690/701 (EURO5) Jerky Throttle Fix

[@EricBanner571]

Many people say that the DRZ needs fuel injection but the throttle response is by far the best that I have ever experienced. Good to see that you are sorting out all the little niggles on the 701.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Exactly! And if I experienced something like this on the DRZ, I could have fixed it all by adjusting the carb. Thank you for watching 🙂

[@mikef3300]

My 690 was like that when I bought it. I purchased a Rottweiler fueling dongle, changed the air filter to a twin air foam air filter and changed the exhaust to a yoshimura r77 slip on. The bike is so much better now throughout the rev range with more power down low. I also added crash bars from T-Rex performance to help protect the radiator in a crash. Something to think about for your 701. Like your channel 👍 Subbed

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi there Mike! That’s close to my setup - I love how it is now. Thanks for the suggestion and your support!

[@backstreamnorth]

This has actually been a known fix for many many years now and it also greatly reduces decel popping.

[@rfk76]

Hey Johannes, thank you and I am happy you like it :) Cheers mate!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for the tip my friend 😁

[@Aengen]

I looked into these dongles too for my 500exc. But in the end I went for a complete remap by ”Power by JJ” for 1.000 SEK. And man, the bike runs soooo much better now all over the power band. It’s such an improvement. Running the bike on standard mapping in tight technical terrain was horrible compared to what it is now!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

That was a cheap remap, awesome! A remap would be better than a dongle, absolutely! I’m glad it is better now, a shame that we have to do this with brand new bikes, but it is what it is I guess.. 😁

[@Aengen]

@@JohannesDalenMC I believe he does the 701/690 too😉

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@Aengen Euro5 EU bikes too? Could you be so kind and ask? I thought this wasn’t possible yet due to locked ECUs on these bikes 😬

[@Aengen]

@@JohannesDalenMC hmm… that rings a bell now that you mention it. I’ll check!

[@patriks4315]

I use power by JJ remap on my endurobike KTM250 excf, prevented flameout and even easier to start, they have good reputation in racing community. If you reflash ECU on 690/701 I am not sure it is discovered at the ”besiktning”/yearly check and how it effects the warranty, the dealer for sure will notice it.

[@urbanadventurer5]

That is a really cool discovery. A smooth riding 701 sounds like an excellent machine. 👍🏾 Now I am really excited to hear you compare it to the DRZ.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

It really made a huge difference. The 701 is so, so good, but with a jerky throttle it really ruins the experience. That video is on my list of videos to make, so stay tuned my friend 😁

[@urbanadventurer5]

@@JohannesDalenMC will do. 👍🏾

[@misterchuck6866]

@@JohannesDalenMC i have the Rottweiler dongle. smoother, seems slightly easier to bog down in very low revs. definitely a fuel economy hit. i'd say about 5mpg hit over a tank worth of mixed riding.

[@AndersBergfeldt]

I have the 2021 euro 5 version with the same problem. I actually installed the same dongle the day before you posted this video and I have the same experience. It’s not a big improvement, but the bike is a bit more predictable on low rpm. I’d say it’s worth the money. (I also have the wings exhaust in twin air filter. )

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello Anders! Thank you very much for chiming in with your experience. Let me know if you notice a significant increase in fuel consumption 🙂

[@kymcopyriot9776]

Hi Johannes. It’s such a shame that we have to take measures such as these. I’ve watched a lot of dyno traces (track bikes) and watched the air/fuel trace to match them and it’s always the same story - bike runs lean at the RPM points where the emissions testing is done. Usually we just pour in more fuel with a Power Commander but regulations now are making that difficult or impossible. It’s ridiculous that a brand new bike can be delivered running poorly at low RPM but the dealers see no problem with it.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello Kym, I absolutely agree it’s a shame, but that is the direction things are going with more and more focus on the environment (which I think is fantastic in general, but choking bikes like this couldn’t have the biggest impact?) If the dealer did anything about this before selling their bikes, I can imagine they could face legality issues, don’t you think? This is a very interesting topic!

[@kymcopyriot9776]

@@JohannesDalenMC I feel as though in 5 more years it’ll all be electric anyhow!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@kymcopyriot9776 I hope so! I’m looking forward to trail exploring completely silent 😁

[@KENNMAISTER]

I have the same problem with my 690 2021 smc, just ordered the dongle after research and then found your video comfirming that its gonna be worth it. its so jerky in low rpms 1 and 2nd gear, so I hope it would smooth it out, gonna be awesome :) Mvh Rogalending

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello there Rogalending! I honestly felt a difference with and without the dongle, and several others too. But, since making this video and researching this further, a lot of people has said that the ECU of the newer 690/701s will detect that there’s a dongle and override it. If this is true, I don’t know, but what I know is that it has gotten better after a few thousand kms. The ultimate solution to this issue is a Power Commander or a ECU flash, but so far there’s not much available. Best of luck with your bike 😁

[@thetubelesschannel]

Too bad with the mic...audio is always a challenge when recording motorcycle video. Glad you sorted out the jerkiness of the throttle..great video....very good audio in your studio 🙂"Hear you clear and loud - over"

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Yes all these technological things never work on my team 😅 Thanks for the feedback Sven, have a great søndag kveld 🙂

[@Szlejer]

Thanks for the heads up, I just bought the dongle for my 701 Supermoto.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Please keep me updated on how you like it!

[@alfredstaude3955]

I´m sorry to hear that situation... In my opinion the Dealership have to solfe this problems. For you it is great to have a very good "friendship" to the other 701-owners. Thank`s for share this. Best Regards, Alfred

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Luckily it was an easy fix. If the dealers were to fix this, I assume they would be facing some legality issues. Yes, I’ve received so much help from dear friends that I’ve met through KZbin, you included Alfred 🙂

[@alfredstaude3955]

@@JohannesDalenMC Hmmm, on the 701 i`m out - much to new :-) I try my best. Cheers

[@donsmith3573]

I have same problem on 890 adventure and my thoughts were it feels slack and not much resistance so any bump in the road effects the throttle movement to easily, so you’re saying it’s low down fuelling. Thanks for this information

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Correct, down low there's a "closed loop" where fueling is locked to meet emission regulation. Have you checked out Rottweiler Performance? They specialize on uncorking KTMs.

[@796andy2]

definitely better with the dongle , but shuts off in first occasionally ... getting a p commander when warranties up

[@orpaztron]

Hi Johaness, riding on 2020 with a DIY fuel dongle that "tells" the ECU that the smoke emission is normal all the time and allows free flow of fuel. Before installed , in technical sections and low RPM the engine (combined with rookie capabilities ...) would shut down occasionally. The dongle that is very popular among the local 701 riders community with a Rade Air Filter, completely changed the low RPM behavior of the motorcycle. Brent Pearson (kzbin.info) -Australian rider with 701, has a detailed review of "smart dongle" that adds more horsepower. I don't think I will ever need more horsepower with the 701... Fuel consumption has increased but negligibly - the fuel bulb usually starts to light up around 180 km instead of around 190 km, -less than a 10% difference.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello there friend, thank you very much for sharing this. I’m aware of Brents video, but I think he removed the dongle due to a high increase in fuel consumption. The dongle that I put on is a static one (sounds like yours is as well), but there are people out there trying to come up with dynamic ones, so the bike runs richer down low, but is also adjusting to ambient temp and all other factors. I agree the 701 is more than powerful enough, I just wanted to get rid of the jerky throttle response when doing technical offroad riding, and it isn’t very healthy for the engine to run so lean too. Thanks again, valuable information my friend. Sounds like the increased fuel consumption isn’t too bad!

[@joelgutierrez00]

Hi @orpaztron! How do you put this DIY dongle you use?!

[@orpaztron]

@@joelgutierrez00 its something a freind made... I didn't build it

[@martinaxelsson4294]

Hi, I've got the 690 r 2021 and did install the kevxtx O2 sensor controller after having huge unpredictable low end performance. Now I have been running it for 6500 km and it runs much better. But the fuel consumption has increased. It is hard to get under 0,55l/10km. You could go under 0,5 but then you must never go above 1/3 of throttling (Have been acting as instructor for newbie). One more thing noted. When I did some TET I meet a 2022, that did not experience my problems. So it seems to be from bike to bike...

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi Martin and thanks a lot for sharing this information. Could you please reach out to me on my Instagram so I can get some more details about this? My IG info is under each video in the description box.

[@hadrienaubert7]

Hi Johannes : I'm a little bit confused about this video because you claim a noticable difference with and without the Fuel Dongle, and two month later you tell us there's no difference. Shall I assume the fuel dongle only makes difference in addition with a Wings Exhaust ? but not at all with the stock exhaust is that what you meant ? Would you admit, except for weight and sound, that using the stock exhaust is the same than using wings + fuel dongle regarding the throttle respone ? Or does it bring a positive improvment ? Thanks a lot for your help and keep doing these ver y interesting video. Cheers

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello there! That’s a good question and I’m sorry for the confusion. Looking back at this now I think it was a mix between placebo and me anticipating an improvement. We now know that a fuel dongle won’t work in the closed loop, where the engine was the most jerky. It didn’t really matter if I used the Wings exhaust or stock. Stock is the better for throttle response only, but it’s very heavy and gets so hot that it’s a hazard in my opinion. Since dealing with this issue, I’ve been notified that several aftermarked manufacturers have successfully been able to re-tune/flash the ECU, even in the closed loop, which I’ve been told makes a huge difference. Hope this cleared things up, I probably should have made another video explaining this for clarification, but as you perhaps know the 701 is gone. Best of luck with your bike and thanks a lot for the kind words 😊

[@hadrienaubert7]

@@JohannesDalenMC thanks for answering so quickly. Just to make sure about what you mean by closed loop : is it the low RPM range ? Did not realize you went with another bike, with more road capability/ comfort I guess ? Best,

[@JohannesDalenMC]

That's correct. Not sure exactly about the specifics, but the closed loop is down low within a giver RPM range and open loop is from that point and the rest. That's correct, bought a T7 so I could travel further because there's a lack of trails where I live. The enduro bike is for the enduro track that's local to me.

[@dadbyaffiliation6106]

veldig nyttig! takk! ps: hvilke hand gurads bruker du på sykkelen? :)

[@andywskf1492]

Maybe I’m confused but isn’t this dongle inserted in line (Euro 5 model) with the exhaust gas sensor which the ECU uses to trim the fuelling. As the ECU has no idea that the dongle has been inserted and it’s being fooled into richening the mixture in closed loop then why would it revert to “lean”? Question 2 . If I’m right why aren’t the dongle suppliers on here defending themselves?

[@mariusontrack988]

Problem with e5 is, the torque is to low at lower rpm. Actually thats what a single cylinder is standing for. You can tune the ECU to get more torque from lower rpm. I have a 20 year old lc4 also. The torque is brutal.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello Marius, so you think the new e5 lc4 engine is tuned to have more torque higher in the RPM?

[@mariusontrack988]

@@JohannesDalenMC Hi Johannes. Sorry, it's not easy to explain in English. I mean, the engine at lower RPM is so weak because of the E5 setup to get into the emissions. In the video down below is a good explanation. (You can turn on subtitles) kzbin.info/www/bejne/jX-neWSmbddlb9U

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@mariusontrack988 Thanks for the explanation, now it makes more sense! I absolutely agree with you. Thanks for the link as well - I’ve watched a lot of his videos about this and will watch this one too 🙂

[@mariusontrack988]

@@JohannesDalenMC yes, me too. This guy has a lot of knowledge and his way to explain is better as so many teacher. Thanks for your informative content. I like your videos. I am also new with my Husky and Happy to get input and inspiration.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@mariusontrack988 Thank you for the kind words and your support Marius 🙂

[@savage22bolt32]

Looks like they have these for the CRF250L, but their website only goes to 2019, I have a 2020. I will ask a Spanish speaking friend to contact them & see if they are compatible. Even though my issue is no where near as bad as on your 701, I know Honda has this bike leaned out as much as they could get away with. I would try this before blowing a bunch on an ECU & exhaust sys.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

I think this is something most modern bikes suffer from, and it’s worse on dual sport and offroad bikes because we spend so much time low in the RPMs while riding offroad. On road bikes you usually blast past first gear in a second. Let me know if they have the same for your bike 😁

[@glossblack1098]

Thanks Johannes. I’d really like to see a before and after video on this. I’ve done 8000 km on my 2021 model 690 and haven’t noticed any jerky or surging throttle. I think I know what you mean, but it’s hardly noticeable on my bike. I can sit on 50 kmh with constant throttle. But I’m curious now to see if this dongle would make it better down low revs?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

That was what I was going for, but it was really hard to capture on video - it’s not so much that it’s visible, but it’s definitely noticeable! It would be really interesting to see if you noticed an improvement if you added one. At 50-60$ I figured I’d give it a shot. Called my dealer and made sure it didn’t void my warranty just to be safe. According to the internet, adding this is actually better for the longevity of the engine as they really don’t like to be ran so lean and hot. If you do decide to get one, I would love an update!

[@glossblack1098]

@@JohannesDalenMC Thanks I’ll look into it. My 690 is definitely Euro 5, but maybe there is a difference between 690 and 701 fuelling? There could also be a difference with these bikes sold in Australia compared to Europe which is much stricter? I’ll talk to my dealer first and report back if I get any info. Cheers

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@glossblack1098 I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a difference at all! I’ve seen on many aftermarket websites they state «does not work with euro5 EU bikes» as well. Yes please, looking forward to what you can find out.

[@glossblack1098]

@@JohannesDalenMC Hey Johannes, I found an interesting video on the dongle by Brent Pearson in Australia. Search on YT for 701 and the magic dongle. There is a company in Australia that makes them so I might try that one. I don’t really have any jerky throttle issues but I’m keen to get a bit more power and smoother throttle down low revs. Cheers

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@glossblack1098 Exactly! I’ve seen his videos. I’m not 100% sure, but that dongle is dynamic, while the much cheaper one I bought is static. Again, might be wrong, but I think the one he used (he since removed it due to a big increase in fuel consumption) was a lot more expensive. Keep me updated 😁

[@mohcinebelkaddari782]

on my last 701 Euro4, arrived at 9300 km, the engine released its power, the same thing happened to me at 9600 km with a 790 adventure. This programmed power modification may be enough to enrich the power supply and no longer have a jerky accelerator

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello Mohcine, just to be clear, are you saying that when you're bikes reached the amount of KMs you state, they stopped being jerky?

[@mohcinebelkaddari782]

@@JohannesDalenMCno the euro4 do not have this problem but the increase in power around 9000 km could solve the problem on the euro5. The manufacturer restricts the power which is released from 9000 km. With the 790 I had a second release of power at 25000 kms

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@mohcinebelkaddari782 I’ve heard the euro4 being a lot better. I had no clue they could do that at all, did they do it at a service?

[@mohcinebelkaddari782]

@@JohannesDalenMC no i was on the road

[@mohcinebelkaddari782]

I think there is a number of crankshaft revolutions to reach to release the power

[@maxwarner4888]

i have this same throttle issue with my suzuki rmz 250 any ideas on how to fix this? would i also have to put a o2 sensor on??

[@Hammarlund_Moto]

Just ordered one after watching this.. having the 701 from 2021. Running standard filter and exhaust at the moment, let´s see if it can make a difference :)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Sounds good, Johan! Please let me know how you like it when it’s installed 🙂

[@Hammarlund_Moto]

@@JohannesDalenMC FYI: called my dealer, unplug before service and drive it around a bit.. :) but that will be a while for your 22 model.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@Hammarlund_Moto So my dealer can’t see it? Or any other reason? Thanks for the update!

[@Hammarlund_Moto]

@@JohannesDalenMC Depends on the dealer but yes they can see that mod apparantly in the data, all data is sent to KTM as I understood it and that can possibly cause a revoke of warranty.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@Hammarlund_Moto Interesting, thanks for the info! I asked my dealer and got a written message that it was fine 😁

[@VladimirBogdanov33]

Hi! Thanks for sharing! Was this dongle easy plug-and-play? No need to play with lambda sensors?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello Vladimir! Yes sir, plug and play, didn’t touch the sensor itself that is on the header pipe 🙂

[@VladimirBogdanov33]

Thanks Johannes! Will wait for better weather at take my 2021 701 out to double check - does it have the same. Actually don’t remember - last time on bike on street was so long ago :)))

[@VladimirBogdanov33]

Tried today. I dont have that issue. Tried on various speeds. In all cases speed was super steady. Looks that Husqvarna have solved that issue. I’ve got mine in 2021 September. On first maintenance dealer told me that Husqvarna some time sends them ECU updates and when you bring your bike to dealer, they install lastes version on your bike. Maybe there is the solution.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@VladimirBogdanov33 Thanks for the update Vladimir. That sounds like an awesome thing if they actually update the ECU during services. I'm glad your bike seems good :) Ride safe!

[@doomermotorsports]

That's a shame they're so corked up. Sounds like my 450L's throttle. What map setting do you typically ride in? In the older models there's quite a difference between standard and advanced modes.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Yeah, I agree. I’m happy we’re trying to decrease the emissions, but I can’t really imagine motorcycles doing the biggest difference 😅 The newer ones only have to settings, street and offroad. I don’t have as many options as you have on yours. I’m happy with my throttle now though 😁

[@jean-pierremailloux392]

Could the Radegarage airbox/twinair filter fix the throttle issue without the fuel dongle? (with stock exhaust)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

I had the twinair filter on my bike and it didnt make too much of a difference. Based on my research much of it comes down to how lean the bike is fueled to meet emission regulations. So to fix this jerky throttle issue youd have to retune the ECU or get a completely new one.

[@1wheeldrive751]

It would be the wrong direction. Replacing the stock air filter and box with a foam filter and no box would reduce restriction (good) but deliver more air resulting in an even more lean condition. That’s what the original fault is, too lean fueling. There are two types of dongles. The first type fakes out the ECU to think it is always at perfect fuel ratio. Then you can install a Power Commander or other fuel injection adjustment computer and dial in your own fueling. But you lose the use of the closed loop O2 sensor. The second type of dongle just fudges the O2 sensor signal a little bit to tell the ECU that you are always running a bit more lean than you actually are. This tells the ECU to send more fuel at all times. It will fix the lean problems, but also reduce fuel mileage (if that matters to you). It is also not adjustable, or cannot be tailored to your other bike mods. But it does retain the stock O2 sensor so changes in atmosphere and altitude are adjusted for, albeit at a higher fueling target.

[@olafjackel6173]

Hi Johannes, I just got my Fuel Dongle....but there is only a spanish Description to install it. I can't find any explanation....Is there anything to take care of? Anything to mention, or juist plug it in between and it works?! Thanks, Olaf

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello Olaf, just plug and play. Let me know how you like it after a test ride!

[@olafjackel6173]

@@JohannesDalenMC Thanks, let you know!

[@Speelbird]

Nice Video! I am happy everytime a new Upload appears 😊 Did your Son sign your Bike on the right? 😉

[@Speelbird]

Ok I just came to check the latest Videos and I found out that your Son named it, great Idea I will do the same as soon as he can talk 😄

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for all the help regarding euro4 vs euro5 bikes Dom 🙂 Yes, it’s Rudy now 😁

[@ruthelindalen5489]

Great ! Good luck!

[@wheresjesse1796]

The jerky throttle at low RPM is quite annoying. Moreso on the road in tight low speed manuvering than offroad where you can be a bit more ham fisted. I've nearly dropped the bike once or twice in first gear when it decides to engine break mid corner in a car park. Is the O2 sensor mod the only thing you can think of?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

I agree, and this is probably my biggest gripe with this bike. When you combine a very powerful and responsive engine with the amount of engine braking a single this big have, you will have a feeling of it being jerky. On top of this there’s the fueling (which you can’t blame the bike for, it’s to meet regulations..) But I have some good news for you - you’ll get used to it, and when you do it will be so much better. I’ve ridden my 701 a lot the past month and now I’m accustomed to it. And, it feels like the bike is starting to brake in and mellow out. When I jumped on this bike after riding my DRZ for a long time, it was very hard to ride smoothly. I wish the ride mode 2 mapping was even softer. Ride it like there’s no tomorrow and you’ll quickly get used to it. Best of luck with your new 690 my friend!

[@patriks4315]

Hi Johannes, great channel similar philosophy as myself. I have a new 690, 2021 euro 5. I tried two dongles for euro 5 and got no improvement. At 70km/h on 6th gear the bike still struggles with typical lean behavior, jerky, as a point of measure. What exact dongle did you get, do you have the direct link avalable?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hello Patrik, thanks a lot for the kind words my friend! They only have one dongle from the website linked in the description (I can’t post links in the comment as KZbin will detect it as spam). I’ve checked many dongles, like Rottweiler Performance, and it does exactly the same thing in terms of values etc, so if you have an O2-sensor I assume it’s supposed to do the same. My bike got a lot better, but still not perfect. Rottweiler still recommend a power commander along with this dongle as it’s not enough on its own, that’s how lean these bikes are. How many km on your bike?

[@patriks4315]

@@JohannesDalenMC I will order the same dongle as you and hope it gets some improvement. EUR 5 EU for sure is different than others version, rottweiler std dongle ”end of line” will not work and create motor warning indicator, the inline pass through type dongle is required as i have understood it. I have wings and rade intake and powercommander, bike runs extreamly well above 5000 rpm but the standard Wings/Rade map from Rotweiler did not work well on full throttle acceleration, but after resetting the ignition advance to standard in the RW map it solved the issue. If I manage to fix the lean issue on closed loop region where I am 99% of the time I will be in heaven! Bike have 2500 kms. Got it new.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@patriks4315 I hope it works for you, please keep me updated! Yeah, this bike is absolutely phenomenal, with a smooth throttle too it’s all I ever need 😁

[@o0ORodriguezO0o]

My bike is also jerky on low-revs, but I think you're short shifting your bike by ALOT. I shift into 6th at 85km/h at the earliest, 6th doesn't really wakeup until I hit ~120

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@o0ORodriguezO0o Thanks for pointing that out Ramon, I didn’t catch that. Patrik, if you’re riding at 70kph in 6th gear you’ll be below 20% throttle, which is where the bike is programmed to be ran very lean. Before I installed the dongle my bike was very jerky at low rews, but in higher rpms it would wake up and be a lot more responsive. Be careful, when the LC4 wakes up it really wakes up 😁

[@marensmith5761]

You are awesome!

[@Chappo19901]

I have a gas gas sm 700 same issue it's jerky if trying to maintain a certain speed . Just ordered a dongle hope it fixes the issue but will it void warranty?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

My Husky dealer said it wouldn’t void the warranty. But, unfortunately, the dongle doesn’t do much on the newer models. The ECU is locked and will override the dongle. Only thing that will work is a full re-tune/flash. I’m not up to date on this anymore as I’ve sold my 701, but I’ve heard from several viewers that there’s re-tunes available now. Hope you’ll get it fixed as the potential of the LC4 is huge!

[@Chappo19901]

@Johannes Motorcycle Adventures yes I have heard the same. Company's have finally been able to re write the ecu but that does void warranty unfortunately and it being a ktm engine I need the warranty 😆

[@rulle4871]

Have heard some people that says that the ECU adapts after a while and goes back to the leaner condition with the dongle in place. Is yours still working?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Mine seems to be working well still. I will update you guys if something changes!

[@rulle4871]

@@JohannesDalenMC Did you experience hesitation when cold with the wings end can before you installed the dongle? I also have the wings and the bike stutter at low speed when cold.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@rulle4871 Hard to remember 100%, but it definitely was some sort of hesitation. A lot better with the dongle. Which year is yours?

[@rulle4871]

@@JohannesDalenMC Alright! I have a KTM 690 enduro 2021, so also EURO 5. I just ordered a Wings ”Silent kit” from their website. The engine needs more restriction to running nice. And I think Wings smallest DB-killer actually is too loud, at least when you are braaaping in the woods:)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@rulle4871 Please update me if that helped, I too think it’s kinda loud, even with the smallest insert.

[@mototrailz]

quick question for you: did you remove the SAS/Canister emission with a Rottweiler kit?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Nope I haven’t, all I’ve done is adding this fuel dongle 🙂

[@mototrailz]

@@JohannesDalenMC thanks for the reply. Do you plan on doing it? if not why? thanks a lot

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@mototrailz I’m not going to do it. I have already thrown a lot of cash on this bike and as it is right now I’m very happy with how it performs. I’m adding a seat concepts to the bike and then I’m done modding it 😁

[@SoCalledFreeman]

What difference in fuel economy have you noticed so far? cheers

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Good question, I don’t have enough time to say yet. Everytime I take the bike out for a ride I completely forget to check because the bike is so good 😬 I will report back once I have more information about this.

[@take5th]

What color are those walls? Love it.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hehe, that’s a good question! I’ll have the wife respond, I have no clue 😅

[@marensmith5761]

I think its grounded red 😊

[@take5th]

Thank you!

[@LadoAventura]

I'm feeling the same. How its going?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Feeling the same in terms of the jerky throttle? I have since making this sold my 701, but even with this dongle I found it jerky. I’ve read several places that the ECU detects the dongle and overrides it, so a complete re-flash is needed.

[@RustyVanDoor]

Get it mapped properly, no issues here.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

That's the issue, the ECU on the EURO5 bikes is locked and currently not tuneable.

[@SKgeostrat]

Too bad they are not doing like Yamaha. On the WR450F you get a remapping tool that works through the phone and you can remap as much as you want. Smarty solution to EU5! That is probably what JJPower is doing too.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

That’s genius - I’m sure my 701 is fancy enough that it could have BT connection too..

[@everydaybiker]

Ah, i miss johannes

[@ferkuzuel]

I didn't know that the 2022 came even more restricted then my 2019 model, I went ahead and installed the fuel dangle by Rottweiler, it it richest the fuel just enough to get rid of the jerking at below 5k rpm above that it remind the same, my fuel consumption went from 58 mpg to 52 mpg

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Based on the feedback I’ve received it was a huge difference. Thanks a lot for sharing your mpg, that’s a decrease for sure, but easily worth it based on my initial impression 🙂

[@osal4323]

false advertising, the margin of fuel increase is minimal with the dongle.

[@asgharonline786]

Wow great work thanks so much

[@JohannesDalenMC]

My pleasure!

[@ChaserTiponi]

Your wife must be very nice to let you bring the bike in the house lol...

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hehe, yeah! The saying «happy wife, happy life» - in this house it’s the opposite 😁😁

[@sven_p]

I have the fuel dongles for my 1290 aswell. Just need to install them... :-)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Which dongles do you have? Install them and let me know what you think 🙂

[@sven_p]

@@JohannesDalenMC Rotweiler. I just have to remove the tank...

[@stant5725]

Sorry. It's doing someone remaping presently?

[@PeterLucassen]

After the first 60km with a new ´22 701 i have to say, thottel response is terrible. I think i ride the first 1000km stock, and after that its time for the O2 dongle...

[@JohannesDalenMC]

It is very jerky, due to all the emission regulations. The dongle won’t fix it unfortunately, the ECU will override it. You’ll need a full re-tune, but luckily they exist now. They didn’t when I owned this bike. Good luck Peter!

[@robsonenduro3316]

EU sucks, I hope it will fall apart soon, They're ruining motor industry. This dongle is not O2 sensor, dongle is device that fools o2 sensor.

[@behind.bushes]

what does "Rudy" mean?

[@JohannesDalenMC]

It’s the name of the bike - I asked my five year old son if he had a name for it. He said «Rudy» without hesitation, so Rudy it is 😁

[@plt4415]

That dongle is scum since either it doesn't change anything or ECU eliminates the dongle after few kms (My bike returned to same jerkyness in 3rd day of my riding) It is like; when you install power commender to EU5 models, ECU eliminates that and it doesn't work. Same thing for this dongle, don't spend you money on it.

[@stefanie_m466]

nah, yhe ecu knows that its a dongle. the only long term solution is a pc5

[@JohannesDalenMC]

You are correct Stefanie!

[@andywskf1492]

Please can you explain how the ECU knows? Not saying your wrong I would Just like to know

[@RRTouringUK]

Just get an ECU remap🤷‍♂️

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Wasn't possible at the time.

[@HenningMykle]

U get used to it. Just ride more :)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Yes, good point. I’ve since making this video ridden a lot, and I’ve gotten much more used to it. Still a bit jerky, but not a big issue anymore 🙂

[@HenningMykle]

@@JohannesDalenMC There's only three things one can't adapt into: Weight, tires and torque. Reliability is also an important issue. Everything else is a matter of adaption. My humble opinion :) So we should avoid getting to technical, and avoid long technical discussions. Instead we must spend time riding, adapting and developing skills. Here's a link to Ari Stenberg riding a 690. Skills :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKmog4Colrp-rc0

[@dropbear9526]

I have the 2021 model, and haven't had an issue, but, haven't taken it off road since fitting the Wings silencer, which might be the issue with yours, and possibly is the same on mine now after fitting the silencer. In any case, I'll be getting this dongle, mainly because I don't want the bike running lean. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6GvlWuGjNyJi9E

[@JohannesDalenMC]

You are not the first Australian to say that the bike seems fine - could there be a difference between EU versions and others? On many websites that sells dongles and power commanders, they say «not working on euro5 EU bikes» I’ve seen his videos, I think he removed the dongle now because of a high increase in fuel consumption. The difference on my bike regarding the throttle was so big that I’m keeping mine on. I too don’t want my bike to run so lean!

[@dropbear9526]

@@JohannesDalenMC There could be a difference, our bikes are often slightly different to the US models. I'll let you know if it still feels good when I do some off road riding. I need to fit better tires, the stock ones don't suit the terrain here. As soon as you hit some deeper sand, the front end washes out.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

@@dropbear9526 keep me updated my friend, looking forward to your experience!