69005 crawls through Margate with Flats and 69004. Loud rev out of the station!

69005 Eastleigh was once again assigned on the RHTT with 69004, surprising though because it sounds like 69005 has flats. Perhaps it could be the last time I see it for a while. The service later in the day was cancelled early and it headed back to Tonbridge, not the first time happening with this exact pair either. Let's hope it's okay.
Special thanks to LHTrains for letting me use his clip, his channel is below!
LHTrains: / @lhtrains8351
Anyway, thanks for watching!
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[@TrainTrackTrav]

That old BR green looks really good dirty. The 710 prime movers that these units have been repowered with make them sounds like the GP60s we have here in the States. Good to see the 56s having their lives extended. Great catch!

[@photographerjamie]

Yes it's very nice to see, must 100% agree! Thank you for watching :)

[@trainsmachineryldegmtrains3509]

Super video 👍👍

[@photographerjamie]

Thank you I appreciate it, it was a nice catch to get! Thanks for watching! :)

[@ianzthingz1]

Nice catch, just sheds in my neck of the woods!

[@photographerjamie]

Thank you

[@kevatcrewe]

Love the liveries! Harking right back to BR

[@photographerjamie]

Indeed, can't beat the classic liveries! I'd like to see one in the old Railfreight with the red stripe! Thanks for watching :)

[@captainboing]

Good catch. The livery on 005 confused me for a sec - I had trouble recognising the class for a second

[@photographerjamie]

I can imagine it being a throw off lol Thanks for watching:)

[@keitheglon]

Oh' nice flat tyre there

[@Transport_Around_Kent]

best set

[@photographerjamie]

Indeed, probably my favourite pair 002 and 003 are running today, gonna try and catch them

[@TheSynthnut]

Aside from the flat, managing to sound more like kettle with trailing hotel power in some of that.

[@photographerjamie]

Interesting description, certainly a unique way of describing it Thanks for watching!

[@EastMidlandsTrainspotting]

Doesn’t sound right seeing an old 56 with an EMD170 engine

[@photographerjamie]

Yes I'm still getting used to it myself, tho they ain't bad locos! Could always be worse Thanks For Watching!

[@dannyboy9817]

What were they originally fitted with, were they Sulzers? I can remember them roaring past the back of our house when I was a kid in the 70,s & early 80,s. I remember their turbochargers being extremely loud!

[@claretbadger]

@@dannyboy9817 Ruston-Paxman 16RK3CT development of EE 50 engine

[@EastMidlandsTrainspotting]

@@dannyboy9817 no idea to be fair mate

[@RDC_Autosports]

it’s a 710

[@danielsellers8707]

Not good having wheel flats on a newly refurbished loco... I remember them being a regular problem on high speed trains; the old advert says trains don't get punctures but a flat tyre on a train is much more serious than on road vehicles!

[@photographerjamie]

Yes I remember that advert! The police 37 in that was brilliant! Luckily 69005 has been on the wheel lathe since so it's all better now. Thanks for watching! Hope you enjoyed! :D

[@mrfust]

I noticed exactly the same issue with 69006 when it turned around in platform 2 at Gillingham station last night at around 22:00!

[@photographerjamie]

Was it still working with 69001?

[@mrfust]

@@photographerjamie Sorry, but I didn’t catch the other unit number.

[@photographerjamie]

@@mrfust Ah no worries, I saw it working with 69001 the other day

[@railfangig6699]

I hope after all the money they spent on the conversion they didn’t keep the air operated parking brake. Even if a 56 was a failure and you released the air from the parking brake on the parking brake frame it could still be partially on even if the gauge states that it’s released.

[@photographerjamie]

Let's hope they've made the train simple to drive Thanks for watching :)

[@EleanorPeterson]

Hmm... That's odd. When I wear flats I make much less noise than when I wear heels. (Sorry. I just thought the comment section needed a woman's touch. Carry on, chaps.😁)

[@photographerjamie]

That's pretty good thanks for gracing the comment section 😂

[@Steve-bo6ht]

I'm new to trains and found this video fascinating could anybody answer a question, what is the odd noise when the locomotive passes over the track almost like an electrical sound 🤔

[@photographerjamie]

Hi there! Firstly I'm glad you found the video fascinating! And I'll try to somewhat answer your question, the sound you can hear is wheel flats. As you can probably tell it's because some of the wheels have a slight flat edge instead of being circular. The noise is coming from the flat edge hitting the rail/track. Similar noises can be made from metal hitting metal, for example that video of the dude hitting a power line with a wrench (Link to it here if you don't know what I mean: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ2TqHyafN2ZmLM ) If you're having any troubles understanding what I've said then I'll try and answer any more questions you may have!

[@MalcolmCrabbe]

If you mean the high pitched hissing sound its the jets of water that are applied to the rails to clean off any film caused by leaves etc at this time of year. If you mean the regular clunking sound then the channel owner has explained the cause

[@paulkurilecz4209]

@@MalcolmCrabbe tyvm, I wondered about what was being sprayed on the rails and why.

[@stephensmith799]

Years ago I seem to remember flats were left until tyre wear made them disappear.

[@photographerjamie]

That honestly sounds right for the railway Thanks for watching :)

[@stephensmith799]

@@photographerjamie I remember a 2HAP EMU that hammered its way between Kent and Charring Cross for a week or two with the hammering getting gradually better and better. We rode it frequently between Sturry and Canterbury West.

[@photographerjamie]

@@stephensmith799 That must've been an experience to behold lol

[@nigeljames6017]

Tom Cline asked “what were they doing?” Maybe you answered his question in the responding comment, but I have a different “what were they doing ?” Question :- they seemed to be spray water on the tracks, is that correct, and if so, why ? (Maybe dumb question…….).

[@photographerjamie]

Ah I'll try and answer this as best I can I may not be 100% right but this is what I've been told. This train is called the Rail Head Treatment Train or RHTT for short. Those blue tankers are what make the RHTT as well as two locos either end. They typically run in the autumn/winter months. Their purpose, is as you observed, to spray the tracks with high pressure water. This is to clear the tracks of things like leaves so trains have a better grip to the rails and allow them to not slip further down the line when their brakes are applied. Hope this helped, and thanks for watching :D

[@nigeljames6017]

@@photographerjamie Sorry to bug you further (feel free to ignore me if you wish), but why were they using this combination/washing technique when the rails seem perfectly clean ?

[@photographerjamie]

@@nigeljames6017 I suppose a way to look at it is like hoovering/vacuuming Some parts of the floor at dirty and others look pretty much fine but yet everyone still goes over every bit so it's all clean Similarly with this train it runs the same route every day to ensure that every bit of the track is clean and leaf free, even the bits that may not need it

[@CreatureOfTheVoid]

@@nigeljames6017 They might look clean but there will always be a fine layer of crushed material on the rail, this film will act like a lubricant reducing what little friction there already is between 2 steel surfaces.

[@RossMarsden]

Can you explain that pinging sound? Why does it ping? What is the physics there?

[@photographerjamie]

Sorry to ask but could you be more specific with what pinging you're referring to? Like the pinging in the tracks or something else? If you could say about what time in the video you hear it that'd help a tone! Sorry for the inconvenience

[@RossMarsden]

@@photographerjamie The particular sound is most noticable around 0:33 and again around 0:46. I think it is initiated by the flat on a wheel, and the sound is a knock that starts high pitched that lowers. Ping was the wrong word. It's like the sound of hitting a hardwood timber on the end grain, but the pitch bends down with each impact. I have heard this rail sound before. Listen to the track noise as one of those high speed inter city trains approach. Like impacts with extra ringing and a pitch bend down. I think it is in the track, and the sound is echoing, having reflected off a discontinuity in the track, like a set of points, but the path is shortening or lengthening as the train travels along. Maybe the pitch bends up!

[@photographerjamie]

@@RossMarsden Your Hypothesis definitely makes a lot of sense and yes that sound I believe is the flat wheel hitting the steel rail head to create an echoing sort of sound. I like to compare it to that video of a guy hitting a spanner against power lines (this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ2TqHyafN2ZmLM) Anyway, thanks for watching! And a good question you posted:)

[@Batters56]

I saw this in one of the platforms at Victoria and wondered what it was and why it was being run by antique locos! Then I looked up and found out what they are. I’m in two minds as to the rebuilding of the old trains. In one sense it’s looks lovely and is recycling which is good. But also does it say something bad about the state of the uk that this was the best option?

[@photographerjamie]

Well it combines the best parts of several locomotives making a pretty good locomotive Also it prevents import from other countries, all our passenger trains come from elsewhere and all look the same, it's nice to see some different that British engineering put on our tracks. Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion, definitely something to think about. Thanks for watching!

[@ScaniaVabis580]

I think it has more to with that the class 66 is no longer in production due to emissions regulations (🙄) GBRf if I remember rightly said that it made sense to re-engineer the 56's due to good ties with EMD, good experience with the 66 platform and they were able to put a loco into traffic at a fraction of the cost of a new loco. I hear that the 56 are considered unreliable but they still put in some good effort in the west on some long log runs (I personally prefer them as 56's from an enthusiasts p.o.v. anyway)

[@johnclarke2997]

Off to the wheel grinder

[@photographerjamie]

Yes and it can take 69001 with it, that one sounds like it has flats now as well! Thanks for watching! :D

[@31144]

RHTT kills wheel sets, it's a known issue hence the reluctance of other TOCS to hire loco's to do it

[@photographerjamie]

That's good to know

[@typhoon2827]

Why does it kill wheel sets please?

[@31144]

Because the nature of the train means it's usually the first train out over leaf strewn/greasy rails so the leading loco is more prone to lock it's wheels up, the rear one gets away with it unless they turn the loco's which Toton have started doing

[@typhoon2827]

@@31144 thanks for quick response. And the locking-up of the wheels causes flat spots?

[@shanestephens2877]

Well I never knew that.

[@martinbalmforth2665]

Something has a bad wheel flat

[@photographerjamie]

Indeed, it has been fixed since I published this except last I heard and saw 69001 Mayflower now has flats unfortunately Not sure if it's still the case

[@nitonion7481]

Soft core enthusiast here, why do they double loco such a small train? One much smaller could manage easily, so why the big boys ?

[@photographerjamie]

I think the reason is because those are the locos dedicated to this specific area. They have two types of locos, Class 73s and Class 69s (Both of which can be found on my channel) The RHTT covers a lot of areas across the network so a large fuel capacity would be ideal, something I'm sure the 69s have plenty of when compared to their 73 counterparts. And I also think because the 69s have only recently been built the RHTT will allow drivers to better learn the locos ins, outs, capabilities etc. I'm not 100% on the reasons but these would make sense. I hope it helps a little bit! Thanks for watching!!

[@nitonion7481]

@@photographerjamie thank you Jamie

[@photographerjamie]

@@nitonion7481 not a problem :)

[@CycolacFan]

Could it also be so they can then run back in the opposite direction without the need to runaround / turn around?

[@photographerjamie]

@@CycolacFan Yes absolutely, forgot about that. They turn around at Dover Priory and Ramsgate a lot of the time and Margate on Saturdays so yes it's also for that reason thank you :) And also thanks for watching:D

[@justinobrien3593]

I still call them grids or hybrids as no matter what engines in the damn thing its a grid lol 😂

[@photographerjamie]

You're definitely not wrong there! Thanks for watching :)

[@danielsellers8707]

My nickname for them is "Yingrids" as it's a grid that goes ying ying ying... Sounds like a Viking name as well🙂

[@tomcline5631]

Well what the hell were they doing?

[@photographerjamie]

Just driving through slowly to try and not stop for the red signal And you could hear the thudding of flat wheels on 69005

[@tomcline5631]

Ok, they were coasting the lights! I do that when I can in my semi,so I get that. What was discharged under that last car when you did the first passing shot? Some kind of cleaning like with steam or something?

[@photographerjamie]

@@tomcline5631 It's just water cleaning the tacks of any leaves, it looks like steam because it's thrown out at a high pressure. Basically a jet wash on wheels :)

[@rearspeaker6364]

what a shame, someone needs retraining.

[@photographerjamie]

They've only just fixed the Wheel Flats problem recently, I had someone confirm it wasn't making the clunking sound anymore but even so, it was out on several trips with them so yes I do agree with you on that

[@rearspeaker6364]

@@photographerjamie thank you for the quick reply!

[@photographerjamie]

@@rearspeaker6364 No problem, apologies this one took a bit longer

[@exb.r.buckeyeman845]

Someone must be held responsible for all the flats I hear on these videos. Release the handbrake before moving. Not rocket science.

[@photographerjamie]

They need to meet you then, today I went to see 69006 and 69001. 69001 made one hell of a racket from flat wheels, not very good 😬

[@justinobrien3593]

I hate the sound of them horrible caterpillar engines!!!

[@photographerjamie]

It's just a 66 engine in a 56 body + chassis. Not the best sound but it's different Thanks for watching :)

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