7 effects - no digital gear, just an orchestra (Rob Scallon's idea taken one stage further)

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David Bruce Composer

David Bruce Composer

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@DBruce
@DBruce 5 жыл бұрын
Correction: Metal machine music was arranged by Ulrich Krieger www.ulrich-krieger.de/index.htm
@MrTheSmoon
@MrTheSmoon 5 жыл бұрын
the explanation of ring modulation was not strictly mathematically sound other wise awesome video!
@claye_l463
@claye_l463 6 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to the vulfpack
@stephenspackman5573
@stephenspackman5573 3 жыл бұрын
Some decades ago I worked in the same lab as Amelia Kaplan in Chicago (maybe she was finishing her doctorate at the time)? As far as I could figure out, while composing she was taking musical waveforms, Fourier transforming them, then deriving orchestral scores from the decompositions-consciously implementing additive synthesis with conventional instruments. But whatever the details of the method, the effect in performance was that you often felt you were hearing quite different instruments than the ones that you could see playing.
@sandnerdaniel
@sandnerdaniel 4 жыл бұрын
This is an extremely interesting subject. Amazing video with fluid and precise production, David.
@frankspears4597
@frankspears4597 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent insight as always
@NickBatinaComposer
@NickBatinaComposer 5 жыл бұрын
When Georg Haas visited Florida State College of Music, he mentioned that a lot of his electronic works are meant to either be performed on tape or tape emulating software! He made one of our composition professors create a Max patch to replicate his original tape version for a piece for solo Piano and live electronics!
@theTDMetalManiac
@theTDMetalManiac 6 жыл бұрын
By the way, nice shirt my dude
@dentoncrimescene
@dentoncrimescene 6 жыл бұрын
David Bruce's music is really good. Check it out.
@MattMusicianX
@MattMusicianX 6 жыл бұрын
I find Ives' piece to have an excessively humanizing effect rather than technological. It's just like when you sing along to a song that's not in your range and you change from your lower vocal cords to falsetto vocal cords randomly in the middle of a line and vice versa. It's so remarkably similar that I can only believe that Charles Ives intended it that way. Anyway. Thank you, David, for providing so much entertaining and educational material and your profound thoughts on it! I can't wait to check out all the video links in the description.
@thekathal
@thekathal 4 жыл бұрын
That’s a really cool way to put it
@tomswiftyphilo2504
@tomswiftyphilo2504 4 жыл бұрын
or when beethoven tries to orchestrate for instruments whose range is smaller than his imagination :)
@NotRightMusic
@NotRightMusic 6 жыл бұрын
These ideas translate wonderfully into free improvisation as well. One of my favorites is a conducted gesture from Walter Thompson called "Stab Freeze." When signed players must repeat quickly what they were just playing, similar to the effect of a skipping CD. Love it, David! Such an awesome topic that can be talked about forever then applied in so many ways!
@SamothIorio
@SamothIorio 6 жыл бұрын
Astonishing and inspiring, both in structure and content, as always. I find your analyses to be among the best in youtube. As such, I'd like to ask if you could make a video on impressionistic piano voicings and the use of piano pedals, as in, for example, Debussy's La Cathédrale Engloutie. Though I don't know much about EQ, I feel like there's something similar going on in that piece.
@ornleifs
@ornleifs 6 жыл бұрын
The Ravel example was the reason I bought the score to Bolero cause I couldn't figure out what instruments were playing and I was so surprised to see that the celesta was playing with the horn and piccolo which gives it this soft metalic sheen.
@whycantiremainanonymous8091
@whycantiremainanonymous8091 6 жыл бұрын
The echo effect (nowadays achieved digitally) has a long long history in orchestral and choral music. Monteverdi's Vespers has several great examples (with one singer singing an echo to another). One of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos (was it the 5th?) has an instrumental equivalent. Another recording-based effect is the fade out, and you've mentioned its orchestral precursors (Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde, Holst's Planets) in another video.
@wingflanagan
@wingflanagan 6 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Reminds me of some of the effects Jerry Goldsmith achieved in his score for the original Alien in 1979. One cue in particular ("It's a Droid") suggests electronic noises entirely with acoustic instruments, just before a character is shockingly revealed to be a robot. There are other examples, too, like "The Shaft" and "The Terrain" that suggest electronic drones and synthetic beds, also with traditional instruments.
@victoreijkhout6146
@victoreijkhout6146 6 жыл бұрын
I once did a looping improvisation, and then wrote it out for 10 identical instruments. It actually seems to be halfway popular with ensembles. Bolero: yeah, that's been my test for a good performance if they can get that doubling passage to sound seamless. Btw, I wouldn't call it EQ'ing: more additive synthesis.
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 5 жыл бұрын
the orchestra is one big additive synth
@mcozer
@mcozer 5 жыл бұрын
Bolero case can be identified as additive synthesis for sure
@russell_szabados
@russell_szabados 5 жыл бұрын
Hi David. This hit home as I've been a bit obsessed with "phase manipulation" and overtones & a space's "sound" since college in the early 90's. I have Lucier's "I Am Sitting In a Room" on CD and once mixed it with the noise of Merzbow as part of a breakdown section of a DJ set I performed on the Las Vegas Strip. There is a Steve Reich app for iOS called Clapping Music which is tons o' fun and great for practicing rhythm. A link follows. All the best for a Merry Christmas (if you celebrate) and Happy New Year! "Steve Reich's Clapping Music" on the Apple App Store: itunes.apple.com/us/app/steve-reichs-clapping-music/id946487211?mt=8
@dhamaryder
@dhamaryder 5 жыл бұрын
I remember studying the orchestration of Bolero at the same time I was studying organ. It was obvious to me at the time that he was using, in that exact spot you pointed out, the same principal the organ uses when a rank of pipes will play, for example, a 6th(and two or three octaves) above the fundamental, or a 3rd and 5th, or a minor 7th. I forget now, which ranks play those types of harmonics, and there are more than what I mentioned, but that s definitely an organ thing.
@TomMilleyMusic
@TomMilleyMusic 6 жыл бұрын
What about natural chorus effect? Having instruments play together that are slightly out of tune with each other. I've done it only in recording, taking two acoustic guitars and tuning one slightly above pitch, and one slightly under. I was surprised how much like an effect it sounded. I got the idea from chorus effect obviously, but also tremolo harmonicas which have two reeds per each note, tuned slightly out of each other, which gives this nice warble and richness to it. Has this been done with an orchestra? Obviously there's already a slight bit of that just due to the small differences in each players performance, but I'm talking more deliberate and to sound like the chorus effect from guitar pedals or computer effects.
@cuccomposer
@cuccomposer 6 жыл бұрын
It's actually the opposite: a chorus imitates the natural "detune" of a choir (hence the name), to give the impression of multiple voices in unison. In my opinion, not only it would be really hard to replicate an electric chorus with acoustic instrument, but even pointless: the beauty of natural chorus is that it's unpredictable, and therefore, much more lush. More "analog" than analog BBD chorus, dare I say.
@TomMilleyMusic
@TomMilleyMusic 6 жыл бұрын
Well yes true, but I guess I'm just asking if anyone has taken advantage of detuning on purpose, either above or under pitch to give it that warble on purpose. Usually in a choir or section of instruments they try to be in tune. I'm talking about being out of tune. Like sections of instruments with fixed tuning having some of them higher or lower than pitch and then playing in unison, things like that. I guess we get a bit of that sound when a string section plays with vibrato. I dunno, I just thought it might be cool to see how far people could push the idea of playing together slightly out of tune and how much they could make it warble.
@cuccomposer
@cuccomposer 6 жыл бұрын
@@TomMilleyMusic Oh, I misunderstood your comment, I always think of chorus as a subtle effect. The way chorus actually works is slightly different than subtle detuning. It's a really short delay effect, with vibrato on the delayed signal. You'd have to ask two musicians to play the same part, one acts as the dry signal and the other as the wet signal. The wet musician (lol, better not say that) would have to play with somewhat like 20 ms of delay and use a wide vibrato.
@TomMilleyMusic
@TomMilleyMusic 6 жыл бұрын
Well I figured there'd be enough delay naturally from the small differences in each persons performance. And I figured you could have three people at least play a line, and then have two people double it, but one is lower than pitch and one is higher. You'd could even just have one on pitch and one off. That's how tremolo harmonicas work. They have two reeds per note and one is off pitch and it gives this nice natural warble that sounds almost like a chorus. That's the kind of sound I'm thinking of, but with other instruments playing together. I've done it with recording acoustic guitars, but it could be cool if maybe you purposely detuned some of the brass section or woodwinds so when they play together, they have this natural warble to them. Or if the strings players were good enough to play slightly out with the others. If they had good enough ears they could possibly be able to play with a small delay, but I don't know if it'd even be needed as the warble in this case would still happen due to the tuning difference. It's the warble of the notes clashing. Even with effects you can get a chorus types sound with just one channel with the dry signal, and one with vibrato on it. I guess that could be another way of doing it too: have half the players in a section use vibrato and the other don't.
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 5 жыл бұрын
i think the very digital warbling chorus you can get, would best be imitated by notating a wide vibrato, simply enough. I also think a string section probably has far too many players...you'd need about 8 lets say because you get something like 8-stage chorus (essentially 8 modulated delays set very fast little feedback). Whether it sounds the same, for some reason i don't think it will but not sure why. Mechanically maybe use something like vibraphones in unison? or microtonally detune some keyboard instruments (that's the other 'chorus' sound is simply detune the pitch using a pitchshifter, no delay or vibrato...you can hear some of that in this composer called Michael Harrison who tuned his piano with 27cent (?) intervals, and part of La Monte Young or microtonal composers using 'commas' of just intonation.@@TomMilleyMusic
@AstronautDown
@AstronautDown 6 жыл бұрын
What a brilliant video! I had this thought the first time I heard Ligeti's Atmospheres, that if I'd heard it without knowing it's an orchestra I would assume it's synthesized! But, I think there's an amendment to be made, that is, these effects are not digital per se, but electrical (not electronic). All the effects you mention (EQ/filtering, transposable VCOs, Ring Modulation, side-chaining, distortion) were introduced in the Analog Era and then replicated (and further developed) digitally/electronically.
@atom_c
@atom_c 5 жыл бұрын
I love hearing you talk about your own music! I wonder if you think it's a problem of classical music that you often get a lot more from it after taking to time to understand it/ know the composers motivation, or do listeners ears grow to be able to do this sort of thing more quickly?
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the pipe organ and its stops that can be controlled during performance be an appropriate vehicle for performing many of these effects?
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 5 жыл бұрын
yes, they even have a 'tremulant' which is practically equivalent to tremolo/vibrato effect of guitar amps.
@WizardOfArc
@WizardOfArc 6 жыл бұрын
Great video AND I love your Vulfpeck shirt!
@secretariacoordenacoesuacc8134
@secretariacoordenacoesuacc8134 5 жыл бұрын
Now I watched a second time I understood the piccolo thing in the Bolero, but i'd rather say it is just parallel major thirds 2 octaves away. This piece is a class on arrangement, I always wanted to know what was playing in this passage with the horn, thank you. You should do an episode on Astor Piazzolla, specially his work with his quintet.
@ornleifs
@ornleifs 6 жыл бұрын
And then there are pieces written for mechanical/digital instruments which have inspired performers to learn and play them like Conlon Nancarrows Studies for Player Piano and Zappa's Synclavier Pieces.
@ariehchrem3067
@ariehchrem3067 6 жыл бұрын
This would be an awesome video!
@fuglsnef
@fuglsnef 6 жыл бұрын
Or the acoustic drum covers of Aphex Twin and Venetian Snares tunes.
@ornleifs
@ornleifs 6 жыл бұрын
Yes and there have also been Acoustic Piano and Orchestra version of Aphex tunes.
@Marcelrocha884
@Marcelrocha884 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I just love hiw you take "modern" subjects or subjects that one should not expect to find in a channel that deals with "classical" music and present them bridging the gap between "popular" or "current technology" music wmand orchestral music. This helps me to feel more close to any kind of tradition, without prejudice or without feeling defensive. This is SO important in my opinion! We need this to let music evolve freely. Thank you very much for addressing all of this and carrying this mission! This way you help to bring piece and understanding for the musical communities of any musical language!
@zacharygh
@zacharygh 6 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video. I was very pleasantly shocked to see Rob Scallon's name appear in the title. Do you think you'll ever do a video where you go through your composing process?
@grofinet
@grofinet 6 жыл бұрын
And please never forget the ”cascading strings” of Mantovani!
@prckrevofficialchannel1911
@prckrevofficialchannel1911 6 жыл бұрын
I love this video, my favorite! So happy to see Vivier and Lizée here, very insightful in a very short time, great
@courtauldcamaraderie7284
@courtauldcamaraderie7284 6 жыл бұрын
He may have mentioned it in another video but does anyone know a good book of extended techniques for orchestral instruments?
@MissYaBigMan
@MissYaBigMan 6 жыл бұрын
That piece at 9:55 was so refreshing to hear! I haven't heard anything like that before, and I don't get to say that often. I'll certainly be following up on that.
@abinshakyaa
@abinshakyaa 6 жыл бұрын
_9:47__ that spot on pronunciation. Very impressive._
5 жыл бұрын
Hum ... no, sorry.
@dalmacietis
@dalmacietis 5 жыл бұрын
Well, at least better than that of 'Zeitkratzer' at 7:29 :D
@Superphilipp
@Superphilipp 5 жыл бұрын
What, no it wasn't! It sounded a bit slavonic perhaps, but not flawless French. Good try though.
@bacicinvatteneaca
@bacicinvatteneaca 5 жыл бұрын
Was this sarcasm?
@WhydoIneedafuckinghandle
@WhydoIneedafuckinghandle 6 жыл бұрын
I had no idea Bolero is technically bitonal! Talk about taking things for granted... Gr7 vid m9, keep it up! p.s. I'd love to hear your take on artists like Zappa, Björk, Jeff Buckley, and any newer artists pushing harmonic boundaries of songwriting acceptability in the pop/rock world of late. As a hopeful songwriter, I like to draw a parallel of pure mathematics to the avante garde in music, in the sense that one day someone will find a way to use the abstract concepts explored in, for instance, 20th century classical music, by more amiable (or euphonic) means. Much in the same way a fancy formula may not prove particularly useful to 99% of people until the world has developed enough to find a way in which to use the BASTARD. Also, if anyone could help a poor autodidact out in making sense of Bartok's take on tonality, that'd be WELLIN. I'm off to go superimpose a chord sequence onto the same one in a different key in the hope it (or I) won't end up a cacaphonic mess (again). Wish me luck!?!
@tomswiftyphilo2504
@tomswiftyphilo2504 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that either about Ravel also: good luck!
@e.d.gremore7685
@e.d.gremore7685 5 жыл бұрын
hello i was wondering what your views are on electronic music, mainly industrial. I'm talking bands such einsturzenden neubaten or swans. i believe there is much that can be learned from these bands and overall, the genre. Thank you!
@foo0815
@foo0815 Жыл бұрын
Xenakis has a marvellous section of composed delay in his sax quartet XAS here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZW0nKihhp6Hg80 where 4 (different!) saxes play in unison in the top register.
@quincyryan144
@quincyryan144 5 жыл бұрын
Metal machine music was arranged by Ulrich Krieger and has been performed y multiple ensembles. He is a innovative and inspiring performer, composer and teacher, and I really hope more people might hear his music. Thanks!
@vrai3078
@vrai3078 9 ай бұрын
Could someone please explain what exactly is going on in haas's 4th string quartet, I've listened to it many times and I know there is a sort of process to the piece but I don't fully understand what is going on. I'd really like to understand this piece better
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 5 жыл бұрын
Gerard Grisey did what is basically additive synthesis. 'partiels' is from analysed trombone notes, rearranged for a whole ensemble of non-trombones creating drone from each overtone. I guess organs are additive synthesisers to start off with, but the additive synths of today can arrange complex inharmonic sounds and create a whole complex sample from sine waves in high fidelity, which is more like partiels.
@vinkelheimer
@vinkelheimer 5 жыл бұрын
I think Ravel may have gotten his harmonic ideas in "Bolero" from organ stops which double at 8-foot, 4-foot, 2-foot, etc.
@dfpguitar
@dfpguitar 4 жыл бұрын
something I have noticed over the past 4-5 years is that young pop inspired singers, especially young women, do all of their singing with phrasing that sounds like vocal parts where recorded in a DAW a phrase at a time and quantized. But this is them doing their natural acoustic singing! It seems when a generation grows up enjoying music that sounds a certain way, the music they are unconsciously drawn to recreate that in their own music. We have heard this for a long time with acoustic instrument players like pianists, drummers or guitarists who have grown up on the electronic music of the 80's and 90's. But it's very interesting to now hear vocalists whose natural singing sounds like it came out of fruity loops.
@EchoHeo
@EchoHeo 6 жыл бұрын
9:52 holy shit i did not expect that sort of sound to come out of real instruments this is amazing
@mattmcdermottmusic
@mattmcdermottmusic Жыл бұрын
Robert Fripp used the phrase loop technique with guitarists in the King Crimson song Frame by Frame. One guitar plays in 7/4 always starting the loop over at the beginning of each measure. The other guitarist is playing the same thing but missing one eighth note at the end of the loop. So they start in synch and then slowly drift apart before realigning and drifting apart again.
@00blodyhell00
@00blodyhell00 6 жыл бұрын
The example from Claude Vivier is not using harmonics, it is using sum tones attained from the soprano and bass, more akin to ring modulation. Good video regardless.
@truBador2
@truBador2 5 жыл бұрын
An early influence of recording technology on music is to be found in Bartok's composition, although I haven't found any source confirming it. Bela Bartok, who with Zoltan Kodaly, famously used early recording technology to field record Hungarian folk music, has passages in his music that seem obviously influenced by a familiarity with backwards masking. Retrograde has been part of Western musical compositional forever, but in Bartok, for instance in Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion, passages intentionally seem to recreate the sound of acoustical passage played backwards.
@IncendiaHL
@IncendiaHL 6 жыл бұрын
I always feel like Bartók does this octave shifting in his Viola concerto. Check out the first movement between bar 180-190 (serly edition). Some serious octave shifting in the solo viola.
@moondog50002000
@moondog50002000 6 жыл бұрын
I hand wrote a 7 part orchestral piece without an instrument to sound like it was created on a drum sequencer . After I put in score edit it did sound sort of like a drum machine .
@teteraf
@teteraf 6 жыл бұрын
With the exception of the voice, all musical instruments are technological devices. There is just a juxtaposition of technology from different millenia. But at some point, also a guy playing a proto-violin wasn't as human as the tradition before. And it is in fact our technology what makes us humans.
@mouk0u
@mouk0u 6 жыл бұрын
10:00 that dude on the right of the contra bassoon really hates us all x'D
@june_birnie
@june_birnie 6 жыл бұрын
Great video David! As an electronic music composer/performer I am excited to try and recreating these techniques in a DAW. That could yield some interesting results. One small thing i noticed however is that the programming language you are referring to is called Max/MSP, not IMAX/MSP. Thanks for sharing your wisdom!
@paxwallacejazz
@paxwallacejazz 6 жыл бұрын
Ralph Towner while in the uncategorizezble unit Oregon talked about how they sometimes consciously mimicked electronic effects etc.
@AlbySilly
@AlbySilly 5 жыл бұрын
I've been searching for this video for ages
@alicewyan
@alicewyan 6 жыл бұрын
Love your channel, I'm discovering a lot of really interesting stuff here! :D out of curiosity... what's the keyboard you're using in section 5 (octave displacement)?
@gavinstacey1695
@gavinstacey1695 4 жыл бұрын
this video actually made my jaw drop
@francissadleir9805
@francissadleir9805 5 жыл бұрын
nicole lizée is a very fun composer!!
@AlejandroMarioAaron
@AlejandroMarioAaron 6 жыл бұрын
This video it's already in the very deep of my -heart- like list. So inspiring.
@thenapdoreast4633
@thenapdoreast4633 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos and music are an important contribution to the world
@rossfeller8412
@rossfeller8412 5 жыл бұрын
3:41 - You meant Pierre, right?
@MusicByRyder
@MusicByRyder 5 жыл бұрын
Wow your Sidechain composition is amazing!
@waltmodul7948
@waltmodul7948 5 жыл бұрын
There was NO example of effects which could not be made with analog electronic effects . No outstanding digital effectd . When you learned about before and after digital invention, maybe your terms bekomme better ! ?
@waltmodul7948
@waltmodul7948 5 жыл бұрын
Hi . It’s nice to see your explanation. But the Oktave switch at 8min in the video and sidchaining need no computer. So there are Not digital
@jodijodi7112
@jodijodi7112 4 жыл бұрын
4:49 so basically just a shitpost?
@cinimod621
@cinimod621 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks
@yasserannab1362
@yasserannab1362 5 жыл бұрын
Your French accent is the best!
@thegamer-ot4gh
@thegamer-ot4gh 6 жыл бұрын
claude vivier!!! claude vivier!! im so proud of my gay quebecois dad for getting cited in this video
@thegamer-ot4gh
@thegamer-ot4gh 6 жыл бұрын
nicole lizee too, thank you for recognizing how much canadian composers are on the shit
@paxwallacejazz
@paxwallacejazz 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me to listen to Chamber Concerto again
@omarlopezrincon
@omarlopezrincon 6 жыл бұрын
What do you think about AI music ?
@RijuChatterjee
@RijuChatterjee 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a swanky premiere
@dcrandl
@dcrandl 5 жыл бұрын
A great example that partakes of Ives and Cage is Lukas Foss' GEOD for orchestra & chorus (1969) which emulates sampling and mixing. The orchestra is divided into 4 groups plus chorus, each with their own conductor, who simply indicates volume level; groups that are "turned down" continue to play their parts silently till "turned up" again. The chorus and a small group of soloists perform "straight" versions of folk tunes which are overlaid by aleatoric clusters & patterns from the rest of the orchestra (when they are audible, that is). Nearly impossible to find today but still, one of my favorites. A fairly bad KZbin of it is at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWjIi3WlbrZogLs
@SikforSenses
@SikforSenses 6 жыл бұрын
I wrote a piece for uni a few months ago in which I attempted to mimic sampling and basic pitch-shifting (stretching the waveform i.e. changing speed as well as pitch). Wish you'd released this vid before I submitted it, would've been v useful!
@ckturvey
@ckturvey 6 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful and insightful video to stumble upon. Starting with using ultrasonic frequencies to silently voice control smartphones (Dolphin Attack) to Intermodulation Distortion, Subharmonics, organ mixture and mutation stops to here. I also saw Rob Scallon's video and thought of human use of delay. The one that jump to mind was Benjamin Britten "This little babe" from Ceremony of Carols. The imitation done at an 1/8th note creates a similar effect. A video of a similar theme is Adam Neely's video of the player piano music of Conlon Nancarrow "Steampunk Black Midi". Thank you for this!
@tomaszmazurek64
@tomaszmazurek64 5 жыл бұрын
Something I have noticed just today when playing Chopin's Mazurka F major. In the middle section (Poco piu vivo) the player is instructed to hold the sustain pedal for almost 12 bars, which is unusual, or even in bad taste, but here it combines very well with the droning bass and the high, fiddle-like melodic line to create a very dreamy soundscape. Which made me realize - in this section Chopin was using the sustain pedal as a long reverb. Which made me realize that in piano pieces in general the sustain pedal is often used as or in a similar way to a reverb, even if it is not being held for 12 bars straight.
@colinmignot6309
@colinmignot6309 6 жыл бұрын
Hi David, did you mean Pierre Schaeffer at 3:38 ? I love your channel, that was a fascinating topic
@stephenbaillargeon5619
@stephenbaillargeon5619 6 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, are there any resources you can suggest for people who want to know which overtones are prominent with which instruments? I've looked at a few through spectrograms on Max/MSP, but if somebody's already done that and written out in sheet music like you have in the bolero example, I'd love to see just a big ol' chart about it.
@BrassicaRappa
@BrassicaRappa 5 жыл бұрын
I was kinda surprised you didn't mention the 2nd movement of Shostakovich's last quartet. It always gave me the feeling of something being played in reverse.
@eliashaller4255
@eliashaller4255 6 жыл бұрын
Great idea to give a visual comparison to the audio effects! WAY TO GO! Also, great choosing of visual effects to display the audio effects! Hats off! Really great educational feat! (I'm going to stea... uhm "take an inspiration" from that for my lectures ;-)
@kw9172
@kw9172 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video! Another recording/composition that is worth mentioning is the Robert Fripp/Andrew Keeling/David Singleton CD "The Wine of Silence". It contains orchestal arrangements of Robert Fripps soundscapes (live improvised guitar/synth performances using "frippertronics") performed by the Metropole Orkest. Well worth checking out. By the way, if you feel you have anything to say about either Robert Fripp or Frank Zappa from a composers point of view I would be thrilled to hear that.
@scmontgomery
@scmontgomery 6 жыл бұрын
Could you or have you done a video on sonata-allegro form development? I've had a lot of fun working up small ternary form pieces for solo piano (my instrument of choice for composing) but I struggle to expand my ideas past standard retrograde and inversion while still holding cohesiveness in the piece.
@jgesselberty
@jgesselberty 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Would love to hear a similar examination of composers of earlier times who toyed with our ears. A good example is Bruckner, who in a few instances, scored to provide an echo effect. Richard Strauss also did some amazing things with sounds. Thanks for posting.
@electricplugproductions2640
@electricplugproductions2640 5 жыл бұрын
I see that vulf shirt
@kyle-silver
@kyle-silver 5 жыл бұрын
Since you're wearing a vulf shirt, your next project should be putting a vulf compressor on the orchestra
@panicBoydotcom
@panicBoydotcom 6 жыл бұрын
Until I took a recent course in audio engineering, I'd always referred to sidechaining as "ducking." As in, one element "ducks" out of the way of the other.
@everestjarvik5502
@everestjarvik5502 6 жыл бұрын
Technically, the "other EQ effect" in your sidechaining piece is also sidechaining. You can sidechain any gain-based device. The most common is a compressor, so that's what the shorthand term "sidechaining" usually means in conversation. But EQ, filters, and expanders are also candidates, and so are gates (such as the common "trance gate" technique in some EDM where the hi hat or some silent trigger causes the synth to turn off completely, resulting in a rhythmic stuttering effect).
@s90210h
@s90210h 6 жыл бұрын
You can't believe how much I wanted you to touch upon these topics! Spectralism FTW!
@luigivercotti6410
@luigivercotti6410 5 жыл бұрын
m8, I love ya, but don't ever try to speak french again. please.
@MrInterestingthings
@MrInterestingthings 6 жыл бұрын
I so needed to find this ! This week and weekend evicting roommates takes many weeks sometimes and this guy is evil and crazy and at 63 if i knock anymore of his teeth out I will be injail and then I wouldnt be able totocar i piano or jumpon my 2 laptops ! I luv da Spectralists (Vivier,Murail, Grisey those guys . Hope I can discover more on your channel . always hearing about Pierre Schafer yet to really explore all the possibilities opened up since the 1960 's ! So good to see the various histories again . Alvin Lucier ,G.F. Haas etc. I spend a lotta time reseraching but how is it Ive yet to hear or purchase Lou Reed 's MetalMachine Musik . Wow ! Another Ives violin sonata No. A slow single composition I've never heard or !SEEN ! iNTERESTING SCORE ! i HAVE so much work to do Thanks for waking me up !
@m.l.pianist2370
@m.l.pianist2370 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! I was just wondering what you love about Ligeti's Chamber Concerto. I also think it's good but I'm curious about thoughts on it!
@Ana_crusis
@Ana_crusis 6 жыл бұрын
very interesting. David, no feedback yet on the little ideas I sent you? One was recorded in Audacity. I thought I might get something...
@ZachOnett
@ZachOnett 6 жыл бұрын
Wow this video was basically a semester long course on 20th century EQ oriented orchestration/composition summarized in like 12 minutes. Glad atmosphere and bolero were featured
@SamuelRHoward
@SamuelRHoward 6 жыл бұрын
I Am Sitting In a Room is a great piece, and mildly poignant in a way; I had a seminar with Aaron Cassidy who (I think) mentioned that Lucier disliked his stutter and used the process underpinning the composition to even out his voice.
@thefrantasticmissfine
@thefrantasticmissfine 6 жыл бұрын
PLEASE do a video on the PanArt Hang and it's brainchild, the handpan
@xFliox
@xFliox 6 жыл бұрын
This video inspired me a ton, thank you so much for doing what you love, greetings from Chile!
@horowizard
@horowizard 6 жыл бұрын
Again, no mention of Stockhausen? He used Ring Modulation on Acoustic sources and instruments all the time.
@holliefitzzz
@holliefitzzz 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for this!
@cuccomposer
@cuccomposer 6 жыл бұрын
Hi David, as being both a student of composition at the conservatory and a electric guitarist/synth nerd, I just wanted say I love this. Keep up the good work.
@cxmxg
@cxmxg 6 жыл бұрын
I love you Dave ❤️❤️❤️ You remind me of Morrissey but kinder and with more degrees
@soyoltoi
@soyoltoi 6 жыл бұрын
These are really cool! Do you know of any books or sources that delve deeper into experimental/twentieth century ideas like this?
@SamStrane
@SamStrane 5 жыл бұрын
Nice Vulf digs
@tehsma
@tehsma 5 жыл бұрын
Here's one I can think of: Vaughan Williams' "Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Talis". There second string orchestra part which is supposed to be placed in an adjacent room with a door open, or something along those lines. Its almost like a FX send. This is like some combination of a lowpass filter / reverb / delay effect in the context of the piece.
@j.masonbrown6216
@j.masonbrown6216 6 жыл бұрын
VULF T SHIRT FTW!!!
@GreenTeaViewer
@GreenTeaViewer 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great content David. Who needs a university education these days with creators putting this level of quality out there!
@Krekhaus
@Krekhaus 5 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, sir! Probably a video on Jean-Michel Jarre? Thank you
@dextrodemon
@dextrodemon 6 жыл бұрын
how painting was changed by photography is actually a fairly complex issue mon frere, makes me wonder what it is most people have heard about it :p
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