#7 - FlippedNormals Welcomes Daz 3D to the Marketplace

[@robertdouble559]

Daz is super convenient and very fast for concepting and storyboards. Combine it with some overpainting and/or "creative AI upscaling" and you have VERY powerful tool.

[@dynamic5109]

You're a seller on Daz aren't you? You members of the Daz cult really don't like people getting in the way of you making money do you?

[@bobz637]

In my opinion, Daz is a great tool for introducing 3D to complete noobs or hobbist. I started using Daz 9 or 10 years ago not for final 3d renders but for 3d references for my illustrations. As a starting point Daz figures can be very helpful; they won't solve all your problems, if you want to get the most out of them you still need to know sculpting, anatomy, modelling and texturing. When you think of Daz assets as complements, not subtitutes, you can create very interesting stuff.

[@horriblypink]

I have literally never seen DAZ used for anything other than horribly made NSFW videos

[@EmilySmirleGURPS]

Correction: You've only been able to *identify it was used* when used for horrible NSFW videos. Good renders don't highly give away their origin.

[@horriblypink]

@@EmilySmirleGURPS We found the one person who actually uses the program 😆

[@Floreum]

You'd see them everywhere back when DeviantArt wasn't infested with AI, lol

[@elijahtrenton8351]

They are used for previz in Marvel and other movies, those 3d images and animations show human anatomy or the human muscle system for the medical and fitness industries, visual novels/dating simulators on steam, stock images, controversial 3d super models Shudu and Koffi on ig, 3d fashion shows/visualizations I think a few high-profile brands do this during the pandemic, music videos/visualizers

[@elijahtrenton8351]

also Jason Ebeyer who's worked with Doja cat and Melanie Martinez.

[@TA3DArtist]

Daz 3D took the ideas of Poser and made them a bit more modern. They were lucky not to be handed off to a bunch of companies that didn’t know what the heck to do with a 3D app. That was Poser’s biggest problem. Daz has made the digital Barbie a far more versatile option than Poser did or could have.

[@hanthonypiano]

daz base meshes have some great topology. good for retopo study

[@robcollins3907]

Introducing new 3d modelers to Daz 3d is like putting a child in a wheel chair who’s not disabled and having them use it all the time. People in the design world need to be challenged. As a student of Gnomon and other design schools. Z brush is difficult but that’s why it’s great it makes you better! Just my opinion.

[@jasminecaulden1089]

I didn't find Zbrush difficult, was actually very easy for me. There is nothing wrong with Daz, all programs have their pro's and con's, even the industry standard ones, all programs have their value. Why not check out some of the other comments being made about it to find out more.

[@patryk123nr]

No more horrors of scrolling through Daz’s own marketplace. The content there is horrid, it’s like searching for gold in a junkyard.

[@robertdouble559]

True. Once you find a good creator though, they tend to have 20+ GREAT head models. The clothing and accessories are the tackiest part. Very 90s, and not the good part of the 90s.

[@am3sdigital]

New podcast episode, LETS GOOOO

[@philmehrart]

Could've made it a German title: "DAZ ist gut, ja?"

[@GaryParris]

i have used Daz a long time before Blender and it is great for some creative fun!

[@seanakima50515e]

Do you guys have any reccomendstions for getting feedback in discord groups? I have noticed its like a hanful of people cam get consistent feedback.

[@jasminecaulden1089]

Vast majority of people posting don't know anything about Daz3d. Did you know two of the vendors, Stonemason and AlphaSeed are actually content creators for high end games and what they sell in the store is the same quality as what's in games.

[@dynamic5109]

😂 Oh dear, you're really upset aren't you? I used to use Daz years ago and Poser, probably before you were even born! 🤣 So I'm afraid I do know about Daz and their overpriced ecosystem.

[@jasminecaulden1089]

@@dynamic5109 Before I was born LMAO I"m a Gramma 3 times over, I've been using Daz since 2002. It's also not the only program I use, I also have C4D, Blender and Poser, as well as other small programs for various things. All programs have their pros and cons, I simply don't value one over another, they all have their uses. I don't agree with the bad rep Daz gets, it's useful for a lot of things, people just refuse to give it a chance, preferring something that does the work for them, instead of actually learning how to do anything in 3D. I learned from scratch, not from just clicking buttons.

[@jasminecaulden1089]

@@dynamic5109 Name a software that doesn't have overpriced content, none I know of, including Blender. Daz from years ago is not the Daz of today, how about seeing what it's like now before making a judgment about what it's like now. Also lets not forget the vast amount of free content out there, including that offered by Daz and Renderosity on special occasions, something you don't see much of with Maya, C4D and other large popular software.

[@ScoutTF2]

i cant stand the form of the head of this man, just hypnotizing

[@marcins5584]

Daz on ipad would be a bomb

[@dynamic5109]

I cannot believe anyone is still using Daz in 2024?! They must be paying you both substantially to promote such an outdated piece of software. Look at it! Look at the UI, look at the same generic "genesis" models that they've been (re)using for almost two decades. There is so little variation between figures that it's *instantly obvious* when someone has used Daz. Look at the quality of the 3D models in their store, mediocre at best. This video just highlights that FlippedNormals clearly needs another pay day from Daz. I hope sacrificing your credibility is worth it?

[@jasminecaulden1089]

Mediocre, really, guess you should go on the forums and tell Stonemason and AlphaSeed that, you know them, 2 vendors who also make content for top selling games, which is the same quality as what they sell in the store. As for each generation of models. hate to burst your bubble but they are not upgrades of previous versions, but entire new models, which is why you can't share clothes, morphs and textures between them without scripts to do it.

[@CoreyJohnson193]

I agree with the mediocrity comments, but the tools are very good for specific tasks. Sometimes, I don't need to create a model, I just need the character and the poses. Expensive, yes. But, it makes generative projects much faster since you can create depth, canny, and edge maps with ease using the renders. I wish they would make it more useful, but then it would be $300+ like Character Creator, I suppose. And it's getting a resurgence, but possibly not a deserved one...

[@dynamic5109]

@@jasminecaulden1089 It's unfortunate that you seem so deeply offended by a differing opinion. 😂 "Stonemason and AlphaSeed"? No sorry, I don't know them. Which AAA games do they make content for? Oh dear, you've really been brainwashed into the whole Daz hard sell haven't you? Either that, or you're one of those sellers on there who very slightly alters the genesis models so that Daz can sell it 'again' for yet more profit. I hate to burst *your* bubble, but the reason why the cloths, morphs and textures aren't interchangeable between genesis models "without scripts", is so that *Daz can make even more money!* Are the scripts free by any chance? No, I didn't think so! 😂 Anyway, if you believe that the Daz models are of super high quality, then hey... you do you.

[@jasminecaulden1089]

@@dynamic5109 And what company doesn't want to make money, only an idiot would assume otherwise. I never said anything was super high quality, only that it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. As for scripts, guess you don't spend time on the forums and seen all the free one's people make that do just as good if not better then what's in the store.

[@dynamic5109]

@@jasminecaulden1089 hahaha! You're sooo butt-hurt and triggered! 🤣 Your little attempt at an insult is actually quite cute! 😂 You're right, I don't waste time on the forums, because I'm already professional enough to not have to go anywhere near Daz. The funniest thing is, I can tell that you're one of those amateurs who sells slightly modified genesis models for extortionate prices to other gullible amateurs. 😂 So laughably predictable!

[@AnabranAnimations]

Daz3D offers NOTHING of value to CG professionals in the gaming & animated film industry those “genesis” models are useless once exported out of the base program where they are enhanced by proprietary joint correction and HD morphs that wont export to anywhere else. Even after you export a daz figure to Maya or max you need to re-rig the figure with a proper human IK control rig for animation because the Daz software is a kiddy toy app for posing and rendering still images with the OLD,DUMB brute force path tracer (Iray) that does not even support your RTX cards. Daz is rapidly losing its core user base of still image portrait & pinup, NSFW makers to generative AI which does such stills ALOT better than Daz studio without even needing a local GPU. and the popular NSFW animations are largely done with video game ripped Characters re-rigged with the source film maker game engine or Blender. People in the Maya, Blender,C4D community have known about DAZ for decades they just don’t care for good reasons .

[@jasminecaulden1089]

All programs are proprietary, have you ever tired to get a C4D or Maya model into Daz, same problems you described. Unlike other programs, Daz has been working on bridges between them, still need work, but they are making progress. Have the other programs done the same?

[@AnabranAnimations]

@@jasminecaulden1089 I have Autodesk Maya the only reason the export a Maya rig is to a major game engine such as UE5 or Unity and Maya and Blender have excellent dedicated tools for that. for everything else such as animated films, I have everything I need with professional rigs in maya or in blender for game and films. Bringing in a Daz figure offers because I will need to re-rig the model with a proper native control rig for animation and mocap retargeting and All of the things that made genesis look so good in Daz studio (JCMs HD morphs)gets left behind. Spend some time in the online communities of the Maya or Blender user and they will tell you the same. No professional studios are using Daz genesis models for games or films. and the people who are using them for still renders of pretty G*rls are being peeled way by Midjourney and other AI generators.

[@dynamic5109]

@@jasminecaulden1089 😭😭😭

[@AnabranAnimations]

@@jasminecaulden1089 I have Autodesk Maya the only reason the export a Maya rig is to a major game engine such as UE5 or Unity and Maya and Blender have excellent dedicated tools for that. for everything else such as animated films, I have everything I need with professional rigs in maya or in blender for game and films. Bringing in a Daz figure offers because I will need to re-rig the model with a proper native control rig for animation and mocap retargeting and All of the things that made genesis look so good in Daz studio (JCMs HD morphs)gets left behind. Spend some time in the online communities of the Maya or Blender user and they will tell you the same. No professional studios are using Daz genesis models for games or films. and the people who are using them for still renders are being peeled way by Midjourney and other AI generators.

[@dynamic5109]

*Exactly!* Too many valid points there for even poor little Jasmine to defend! Kinda surprised that Beavis and Egg-Head here are even promoting it given their professional background. Guess the paycheck must be substantial?

[@slick3d392]

Take years to do something good in any form of art. It's because is difficult that has value. If it was something easy, from where the value would come?

[@HasseSmith]

Is it April 1 already😝

[@PiersYves-k2z]

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[@addpuppets9326]

title should be, 'What DAZ 3D mean?'

[@jimrobinson4755]

99% of the comments here...🙄

[@hiptobismo]

I’m not sure this is a good idea.

[@kullenberg]

DAZ 3D is truly the work of the devil. I've tried to install it on multiple computers for over ten years, and not once have I been able to do so without at least one error. The GUI is straight from hell and such a convoluted mess. I've come to the conclusion that everyone who uses it must be some kind of advanced sadomachocist.

[@elijahtrenton8351]

are you using a mac or pc?

[@jasminecaulden1089]

I had no problem installing the problem, did so on the first try. Kinda makes me wonder exactly how are you installing it to have so much trouble.

[@CoreyJohnson193]

... Been using it for over a decade, but I never had an installation issue. It is messy and not... professional. But, the installation process is simple direct.

[@dynamic5109]

@@jasminecaulden1089 🤣 Sooo butt-hurt! Hilarious! You're absolutely right, you did install a "problem"! 🤣 You're too funny!

[@jasminecaulden1089]

@@dynamic5109 No, not butt hurt, just not a fan of quitters, which is what I got from your comment. You shot down a program because you could get it in stalled. That means a problem with you, not the program.