7 NHL Teams That GAVE UP On Star Players Too Soon (Part 1)

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In today's video we go over 7 players that were traded way too soon in their careers. Trading a young player in the NHL is a very risky move, as it can easily blow up in your face. In today's video we go over 7 instances of teams giving up on their potential star players!
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[@RobTalksHockey]

What has been the worst trade you team has ever made!?

[@Mrsonicboom343]

Leafs worst trade here is easy, Boston Bruins traded Andrew Raycroft to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Tuukka Rask

[@scooterelway9191]

gomez trade...

[@neewo33]

Ryan o’Reilly trade to blues 😞

[@bjballin]

cam neely for barry pederson

[@RobTalksHockey]

Yep that’s a great one!

[@stefanotestoni2719]

Surprised not to see the Tyler Séguin trade here

[@RobTalksHockey]

For sure! Seguin is a great example. I want to continue this series, and will cover him in the next video!

[@rolandkennedy80]

At least Seguin is a superstar

[@zacharybrennan8611]

Stefano Testoni that’s why I clicked on the video 😂

[@Looch1717]

@Charles Szasz Are you saying Seguin isnt a superstar?? Since the 13-14 season, his first season in Dallas, only 3 players have scored more goals, Ovechkin, Kane and Tavares. He is 7th since the 13-14 season in points. He is a top elite player in the NHL.

[@bradynhughes]

Stefano Testoni exactly what I was thinking

[@georgehub4249]

Bruins traded Kessel, ended up drafting Sequin and Hamilton with the picks, then traded them both away... How silly is that?

[@hudsonbursey6807]

Ye everyone says Toronto gave up on to really good players but Boston gave them away to

[@Meece11]

​@@hudsonbursey6807 The difference is Boston won a cup and the leafs are still a laughing stock

[@aatutraff6133]

Tuukka Rask should be in this video! Huge gave up for Toronto back in the days.

[@thomasbale9945]

True! Toronto made a huge mistake

[@Sin.Atonement]

Let's face it, nothing can save Toronto

[@Eskolol]

In their defence. Rask was still unproven minor league goalie who might or might not turn into anything. While Raycroft (who they traded Rask for) just won the Calder trophy as Boston's starter goalie and on paper was much better than Rask and looked like he could be the Leafs' top goalie for years to come. But no one can predict the future.

[@bryanwray6171]

As a Leaf fan( stab me in the heart) I remember the trade and I thought Rask was was better then Pogge(ya our future) . Ray old was on a good B team( like always)

[@goleafsgoleafsgo5656]

@@Sin.Atonement shut up bro we had goaltenders that can save us like James Reimer

[@Looch1717]

When it comes to Dougie Hamilton, the Bruins didnt give up on him, he gave up on the Bruins. He wasnt going to resign here, he didnt want to be here and when youre in a situation where you have to trade away a player like that you take what you can get. Also Senyshyn pick SHOULD have been Konecny or Connor if the Bruins could just draft decently, and then it would have been a really solid trade.

[@sprungschwein]

True words about Hamilton!

[@goleafsgoleafsgo5656]

If the leafs drafted Dougie Hamilton we would’ve won a cup but Toronto is so stupid that they traded Dougie and Tyler to Boston oh my God

[@jasonfisher1413]

(As a Caps fan) I have never understood that Forsberg trade, but it was a good catalyst event. After the Caps missed playoffs in 1314 (for the first time since 0607), we were justified to fire Oates + McPhee to bring in Trotz + MacLellan. A year after that trade for Oshie who's been a fan favorite in St. Louis and here. A couple years later win the Cup. Nashville definitely won the trade, but I feel we recovered and it's worked out for us just fine.

[@anonymousanonymous1338]

My guy, it’s Tucson (two-san) not “tuskan”. Great video, keep it up!

[@broznar1019]

@liamsimpson1994 it's a long flight from Tatooine to Phoenix...

[@nicks9192]

I think Kevin Fiala is going to become one of these players he’s going nuts for Minnesota right now

[@WeedSmoker69]

Fiala's puckhandling is nutty

[@kheldaur2107]

Tiivou Tiravainen is a great player.

[@TalkingHabs]

Just found your channel and really enjoyed the video. I subscribed and looking forward to more good content from you. You covered the worst Habs trade with the Mcdonagh for Gomez disaster!

[@nathanstanley1083]

thanks so much for all the videos you make. I know that you probably wont see this, but I am so happy for this content, as it is very hard to find quality hockey content on the internet. Thanks for increasing my hockey knowledge and keeping me entertained at the same time :)

[@s.p.8508]

This is why I get mad when I see isles fans saying that we should trade Wahlstrom for a goal scorer. If Wahlstrom pans out, he has the potential to be a 35-40 goal scorer.

[@RobTalksHockey]

True!

[@lazydaze3134]

Lmao he's never scored more than 22 goals in the development league. You're dreaming if you think he ever becomes a 35 to 45 goal scorer in the NHL 😂😂

[@s.p.8508]

Lazy Daze check your facts, in the 2017-18 season in national development team he got 48 goals

[@lrba5524]

I think you're grossly underestimating how hard it is to get 35-40 goals in a season. Those stats are promising, but I don't really think there's evidence that he'll be that good.

[@keir13]

I watched part 2 first. Good video, man. Well done.

[@jonpalms3951]

Bruins didnt give up on Hamilton, he wasn't going to re-sign so their hand was sort of forced.

[@borgysbad1557]

Jon Palms didn’t they say he had locker room issues?

[@jonpalms3951]

@@borgysbad1557 dont think so, I imagine he just didnt fit in like what happened in Calgary.

[@teslavoltagames3208]

As an battered Oilers fan, you could make a whole video on the Oilers giving up too early on players.

[@jeffdaniels5036]

Great vid dude it looks like you do a lot of research you should have more subs

[@RobTalksHockey]

Thanks man!

[@dano_vision]

love the vids ! ur killin it

[@RobTalksHockey]

Thanks man! Appreciate it

[@igniteaxiom]

the erat/forsberg trade is the worst in league history in my opinion. i think erat scored 1 goal in his short stay there.

[@TranslatedAssumption]

It is not even the worst trade involving someone named Forsberg. See Eric Lindros trade.

[@scoldingwhisper]

@@TranslatedAssumption lol eric lindross was still a very good player. washington literally got nothing out of forseberg

[@justingonzalez4569]

I think panarin for Saad was pretty brutal

[@leetchy2101]

Mika Zibanejad and a 2nd to the Rangers for Derrick Brassard and a 6th was a steal for the rangers considering how much Zibenejad has grown the past 2 years

[@KingLos95]

Fox23 That wasn’t just a steal, that was grand larceny. Not to mention he just scored 5 goals in a game

[@fourdoorsmoresmores]

There actually is a huge trend with the Graph, it started ticking upwards with the Expansion draft coming up but before it was trending down. A sharp tick down after the draft shows it as well

[@RobTalksHockey]

Yeah I actually wrote down the data points, and didn’t see the trend until I made that graphic. So unfortunately didn’t recognize the trend aha

[@fourdoorsmoresmores]

@@RobTalksHockey lol get ready for the next possible uptick for seattle!

[@gmod8033]

So glad I subbed to this channel

[@Wezzen]

Love how you are saying ”allsvenskan” i’m swedish so this is kinda fun to hear

[@coolmanjack1995]

THAT'S what he's saying, I was trying so hard to figure it out

[@mitchellsmith2411]

What is it actually called because I have no clue lol

[@coolmanjack1995]

@@mitchellsmith2411 I'm not sure but Google "hockeyallsvenskan" and you'll find the swedish hockey league he's talking about. It looks like it somehow takes the two worst teams from the bigger swedish hockey league (SHL) and sends the best team back to the SHL. Pretty interesting I never knew how those leagues worked

[@mmastories5768]

@@coolmanjack1995 thats the way the swedish league system works all the way down to basically beer league level :) worst teams of hockeyallsvenskan goes to division 1 and the best there goes up, worst teams of div1 goes to div2 and so on

[@Wezzen]

you call it allsvenskan in sweden is just the pronunciation

[@RandomNAME-cs6kw]

Good video, but I’d say the title should be something like“trading too early” as “giving up” in my mind is if a prospect shows slow development early on and then breaks out later on in their career.

[@AclypseOfReason]

Ottawa Senators trading away Mr. Hossa didn't work out so well for us... Heatley was great for a very short time but Hossa finished with 1100 points after a 19-year career. He was a stud.

[@NycktheDyck]

Revisiting the Teravaienen trade through a 2021 lens. Teravaienen to Bowman: “So just curious what’s our policy on sexual misconduct in the workplace boss?” Bowman: “That’s a great question, let me look into that.” Bowman a few minutes later: “Hey great news kid, you’ve been traded to the Canes for future considerations.” - It makes perfect sense now!

[@cstmollins]

One critique with this video Is that do not necessarily giving up on the prospect too soon. They just other pieces they would like to bring in to help the team right then

[@NYFanatic]

Yeh giving up Zdeno Chara, a first rd pick that became Jason Spezza and Roberto Luongo. I left out Spezza because Yashin took the worst contract of all time only to be out done by Rick DiPietro. Thanks a lot Milbury! We had to get Lamoriello to offset half of your clusterfucks even if it meant losing John Tavares.

[@eliottvilleneuve8165]

That McDonagh trade still hurts.

[@nathan2552]

As a caps fan it is still painful to here of philip forseberg

[@cd5908]

The cup easied that for me

[@nathan2552]

Chad Durgin I bet the 1st round exit last year did too

[@19MichaelDixon]

If the Caps kept Forsberg we never wouldve got Oshie.

[@nathan2552]

Michael Dixon how

[@19MichaelDixon]

@@nathan2552 The Preds signed Forsberg to a 6 yr $36M contract. That contract in Washington wouldve made him the highest paid Cap behind Ovi, Backstrom and Holtby. If he wouldve got something around that number from the Caps they wouldnt have been able to afford the Oshie contract they signed shortly thereafter. It also wouldve precluded them from signing Lars Eller. The Blues were looking to trade Oshie so they didnt have to give him the money they knew he was worth. If the Caps still had Forsberg then Oshie wouldnt even have been a possibility as all their cap space wouldve been accounted for. Now, we can debate who will have a better career Oshie or Forsberg but the Caps never wouldve signed Oshie if Forsberg was on the books. Sucks to lose a player of Peter Forsbergs caliber (and the trade looks way more lopsided in hindsight) but his trade made tangential moves possible that added depth and quality to the roster

[@Team955]

In a couple of years you could add Vegas giving up Suzuki ;)

[@Utred2012]

Pacioretty is serving us well. No complaints here.

[@Team955]

@@Utred2012 yeah the trade is good for both team rn in my opinion but that's not the point. Vegas giving up a 19 yo futur no1 center early could hurt down the road

[@shirewastaken]

@@Team955 Not to mention that Tatar is producing well too for the Habs

[@kevensoucy9354]

Vegas is losing that trade already.. Even if Pacio makes 70 points but both Tatar and Suzuki gets 50-60 points.. Who's the real winner here? Dont forget that 2nd round pick that got trade for a 3rd and 5th.. Which is Norlinder and Leguerrier

[@TEKDAD]

People also seem to forget that Pacio was an soon to be UFA and wouldn’t have sign back with Montreal. Instead of losing him anyway for nothing, we got Tatar who was almost as good and Suzuki who might become a star, we will see.

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

Robby Fabbri should be on this list for the Blues, he’d been a stud in Detroit since we got him. Such a steal.

[@gamehappenings]

Jerome Iginla could be on this list. Got drafted by the Dallas Stars and never played a game for them

[@timeland8343]

Interesting. Never knew that.

[@calgarytalent]

It's a neat lineage actually. Calgary had Kent Neilson... traded for Joe Nieuwendyk... traded for Jarome Iginla. So three generations of superstars.

[@BenjaminH_48]

Watching this today and as a habs fan....seeing Mcdonagh AND Sergachev holding the cup monday night still hurts a lot!

[@lukeryan4288]

Great stuff

[@lukasbaranowski3745]

Islanders: Hold my beer

[@JWDBSNRNOCN]

I can name a few... The Millbury days with the Islanders. Zdeno Chara and Roberto Luongo. Dagger to the heart of the core to build around.

[@andrewturner9469]

The Terravainen trade was more bad luck/timing since within that next year Bickel was diagnosed with MS. Had he been diagnosed the year prior he wouldn’t have been used to sweeten the deal for a team to pick up Bickell’s bad contract. And hawks would have been able to write the contract off as LIR. So in general I wouldn’t say they gave up on him more they needed to send the up and comer along to get rid of the bad contract.

[@medaelmtree1538]

Btw, idk if you noticed, but the pick TB got for DeAngelo ended up being Libor Hajek. They then traded him to the Rangers, so now both of their top defensive prospects are now with the Rangers

[@geebster.]

The BEST example I know of this is... Martin St Louis. Looked great outside the NHL, Played one year in Calgary starting on the top line but eventually was benched and sent down constantly. After the GM was fired he was exposed to the expansion draft, then bought out after he wasnt taken by anybody. Didnt even get anything for him. Then a couple years later he plays a major part in beating Calgary in the finals to win the Cup.

[@brianbenson3669]

The Nucks traded away both Cam Neely and Rick Vaive way too soon ( for "established" [=old, worn-out] players). Both went on to several 50 goal seasons for their new clubs.

[@chiarazeni3768]

The Bruins pass on Barzal to, 3 times...

[@LiivzLoL]

You didn't add the worst part about the William Karlsson story. Not only did Vegas get to pick William Karlsson for the expansion draft, but Columbus gave away a 1st round pick to Vegas if they agreed to pick him. A pick they later used to tradeup to pick Nick Suzuki who as we're speaking is on a fairly decent rookie campaign.

[@thumbthump]

As a Nashville fan, Forsberg is what turned the tide for rebuild after being strapped with the Weber contract. Thank God we still had Pekka as a building block.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Definitely! Also helped that Josi really exploded in development at that time too

[@PindleofKujata]

The best part of that trade was someone making a website to see if Scott Gomez had scored since the trade. It took over a year for him to score one goal.

[@ManCub25]

Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft.

[@noahhurst1228]

ManCub25 The leafs didn’t give up on Rask. He was a minor league goalie the Leafs traded for an expected star for years to come

[@Meece11]

Montreal drafted McDonagh in the same draft as Pacioretty and Subban. Pretty nuts

[@Keltik55]

That Dougie Hamilton trade was necessary because he already said he wouldnt resign with Boston and he wanted to go play with his brother, this is in addition to his attitude issues. That trade i liked, what I didnt like, was the Seguin trade, which im surprised wasnt in this video. Thats the trade that, as a Bruins fan, really cuts deep.

[@banitz.]

5:25 as a blackhawks fan I can see this trade as even, cause the second round pick was Alex Debrincat!

[@banitz.]

And he had the same points as him aswell, both good young players

[@antonwestman9094]

The way you say Allsvenskan is so funny

[@MrMrONeill]

A wee bit of time ago : Phil Espsito, Fred Stanfield, & Ken Hodge for Gilles Marott, Pit Martin, & Jack Norris.

[@MrMrONeill]

*Esposito

[@kendrickmaeldun]

You can do a whole video just on the insane trades Mike Milbury made as Islanders GM

[@thenextgreat8652]

Valeri Nichushkin (Nuke) was an absolute flop in Dallas and after the AV’s snagged him, he’s starting to look like the 1st rounder Dallas thought they got. Didn’t love him earlier in the season but he gets better and better every game and has been a huge part of their success this year. I think in a lot of these scenarios, some teams are just a better fit for developing certain players. I think a few years down the line, he’ll make this list.

[@Indium111]

Cam Neely from Vancouver to Boston for Barry Pederson. Markus Naslund from Pittsburgh to Vancouver for Alex Stojanov. Brett Hull from Calgary to St Louis for Wamsley and Ramage. Zdeno Chara given up by NYI to Ottawa and then to Boston. Roberto Luongo given up by NYI to Florida.

[@MM-cb7jx]

I have insider info that the reason Dougie left Calgary was because teammates complained he wasnt gritty enough. Gio didnt like being paired with him because he wouldnt pull his weight in the physicality of the corners. Gio had to do it all

[@brandonwolak6295]

The Blackhawks traded Bickell because they didn't know he had MS but just thought he was getting worse. Teravinen however was traded because of the Salary Cap.

[@rolandkennedy80]

Btw Phil Esposito traded to the Bruins

[@deank7548]

Leafs trading pick that could of been Scott Niedermayer. NJ Devils benifited greatly from this trade. Also Boston benifited when they got Rask from Leafs

[@EmorterCS]

Lets not forget the San Jose Sharks drafted Miikka Kiprusoff and ended up traded to Calgary because he was their 3rd string goaltender.

[@RoadRageLive]

Ken Dryden was drafted by the Boston Bruins in 1964 and traded to the Montreal Canadiens. Dryden entered the NHL in 1971 in time for the playoffs. He went on to win the Con Smythe in 1971, Calder in 1972 and 5 Vezina trophies. He also backstopped the Canadiens to 6 Stanley Cups.

[@JPBelanger]

This is all recent stuff. Also Dryden got 5 cups, no? Rookie cup, then four in a row…doing this from memory…

[@jwood6531]

Tony deangelo is breaking out this year

[@nigelfarage4119]

Send him some clearasil

[@critsandchaos]

So was Raanta, it was a good trade for both teams.

[@LucasSChiefsLightning]

And the main reason he was traded was that the Lightning (Under Yzerman) don't put up with crap from young players. And DeAngelo is notorious for crap. That's why they traded Drouin and Connolly.

[@WhatsANinja]

The year William Karlsson got traded from the ducks, was the same year as Rakell's first full year with the team. the first half of the season had Rakell and Karlsson rotating between third line center. the ducks chose rakell instead of karlsson for their "long term plans". I love rakell though now he's a winger and i wish we still had karlsson, and Theodore ugh.

[@lazydaze3134]

The Forsberg trade looks like the Caps got railed on paper. But the Caps won a Cup without him. Nashville lost to the Pens in the finals and have been middle to bottom of the league since.

[@jbellware35]

I’ve got that same jersey you have hanging back there. Mine is a Brock Boesser one

[@RobTalksHockey]

Awesome! I love it. I have Hughes on mine.

[@projectpylon25]

Players left off: Seguin-Bobrovsky-J. van Riemsdyk-Marchessault

[@llp0242]

The Wild didn't "mismanage him by playing him on the wing" or "give up on him too early." They just bought some bad magic beans with him. Burns didn't play a single game for the Wild at F. The Wild didn't trade him because they didn't know his value, they traded him because they were going into a rebuild and thought they could get good value for him. They hoped Setoguchi wouldn't fall off too huge of a cliff from his 30/30 season, and could save some money from the huge contract that Burns would require to re-sign. Unfortunately Seto sucked, Phillips never made it, and Coyle (while very good) didn't turn into the top line power forward he was projected to be.

[@RobTalksHockey]

I mean you’re not wrong, and from the Wild perspective they were saving cap, gaining a great prospect, and Setoguchi who they were hoping to rebound. But this is a mishandle of assets. At the time this trade was concerning, and yes Burns did rotate back and forth from forward to defense. I have read countless scouting reports saying so, which is also perhaps mishandling development. But at the same time, perhaps a change of scenery was needed

[@Guy_LastName]

didnt realize how much ottawa got in picks for karlsson, LOOK OUT in like 5 years

[@zilvertron]

Yes Ottawa, if any of your picks succeeds you have to pay up a lot. Have fun continue sucking and ruin young prospects carrers

[@Guy_LastName]

lol deangelo was traded in 2016 for a 2nd round pick which ended up being libor hajek, both are rangers now

[@steveo976]

The only reason Dougie Hamilton was traded was because he was an unproven defenceman that wanted top Dollar and Boston had no cap room or wanted to take the gamble as he was so young so they had to get some return it wasn’t because of his attitude or anything else it came down to money.

[@dantefisher752]

Love the videos

[@MrMrONeill]

Nice Channel Thx

[@zachmcphail1256]

It’s not a taboo by anyone it’s how you use assets that don’t make your current team worse for the upcoming playoff run

[@lesliejarach5429]

Tuevo wasnt gonna be a blackhawk for long anyway... he DEMANDED that he play on the main roster and gave issues to the icehogs org. When he would get sent down and wasnt willing to work his way up properly, bickells contract was a curse and it needed to come off the books. Trust me, no one regrets this trade

[@daveh9803]

Penguins had Luc Robitaille for just one season, early in his career. Granted, they got a good player in Rick Tocchet, but Luc is the Hall of Famer.

[@turnipgod]

Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft comes to mind after watching them trade Hamilton 😆😆😆

[@trenthopper3554]

Where did you get your lamp

[@jamendailey7372]

As a preds fan Foresberg is such a steal only for Erat and another player. Erat is good but Foresberg is so much better.

[@betahumanx]

I still cant believe the Leafs traded 2x 1st round and 1x2nd round picks for Kessel.

[@harveyaw]

nothing can beat wayne gretzky trade

[@stgprorecordz]

Pacioretty/Suzuki. I know Patch is on pace for career year but thats only logical he’s really good player/goal scorer and he never had that kind of talent by his side, now lets see how Nick suzuki will turn out in the next 2-4 years. So far you can see the kid is above average, he’s playing good 200ft game. Can’t wait to see my habs in the next couple of season. Edit: i love content like that, i sub ❤️

[@SorenArouet]

I was sadly hoping you wouldn't talk about Gomez, it still hurts.

[@pandaexpress7326]

Montreal McDonough trade makes the Galchenyuk deal look amazing

[@StevenAbootman]

@robtalkshockey Devin Setoguchi wouldve been a beast for the wild if his alcoholism didnt get in the way. You could see when it began to affect his career with SJ before the trade. hes recovered and has since joined the sharks broadcast team a few times, seems like a nice guy

[@matteoironborn7644]

i love how loui eriksson is in the photo

[@tgs2141]

Also in the Eric Karlsson trade, Sharks traded Josh Norris.....................Who May be now Ottawa’s top Prospect. Nice one Sharks

Forsberg for Erat and Latta still hurts. Many of us thought it was an insanely poor trade even before we discovered what a washout Erat turned out to be.

[@davidtuttle7556]

That wasnt even the worst Caps trade. We traded a future 700 goal scorer and one of the best defensive players ever in Mike Gartner and Larry Murphy for Bob Rouse and pants dropper Dino Ciccarelli.

@@davidtuttle7556 Sorry, hadn't discovered the Caps back then.

[@davidtuttle7556]

@ Well the Good Lord spared you then. I was raised in DC. Caps and Skins are in my blood.

[@kluuxd]

Should have mentioned CBJ left Karlsson unprotected in the expansion draft

[@animelover-ek8wb]

Just started this video and rask better be on here. A toronto prospect to a Bruins all star (edit) now I realize that rask may not have been a star with the leafs

[@cru1y]

Blackhawks gave panarin up to early

[@adamyoung899]

you're missing a lot of the reasons why some of these players were traded. Hamilton was largely traded because he wanted north of 9 million dollars of season after his entry-level contract.that was too much for him at the time, he was not putting up those points, and he wasn't going to take Chara's spot as the number one defenseman Teevo had to be added to the bickel deel just to get Carolina to take that contract, add on the fact that they didn't have the money to pay for him on his next deal. You have to really break down all sides of the decisions that went into these trades, and not simply at the players production after the fact.

[@NYFanatic]

How about giving up on Zdeno Chara and Roberto Luongo. The Islanders blew that one big time!!

[@phlohmoh6725]

Luongo didn't win us the cup so not really

[@phlohmoh6725]

And we're still paying for him!

[@NYFanatic]

Didnt know that. DiPietro is still being paid. Yashin I think was bought out.

[@charlesmclearn4642]

And Olli Jokinen

[@NYFanatic]

@@charlesmclearn4642 dont forget they fired Peter Laviolette. He was on his way to become Al Arbour 2.0 at that time.

[@WallyWalic]

I think Hamilton was just going to cost too much for Boston and they had to bite the bullet.

[@devinluoto873]

I think the 04-05 draft was best. Just the top two players make it enuf. Ovechkin and Malkin. Need I say more.

[@gyfre351234]

As a habs fan, it still hurts to see that mcdonagh trade...

[@johnnycto7576]

Bruins also drafted Pastrnak, so... there's no crystal ball!

Vancouver Canucks, "hold my beer".

[@drhysr9545]

As a Hawks fan I don't want to talk about what happened to tuevo

[@deathgrinderb3284]

i knew Forsberg would be on here. too bad no one else in Nashville can play. outside josi. I love rinne but I feel his time is up now.

[@THEdonnymurph]

the 2nd rounder that the hawks got for terravainen actually turned into alex debrincat, not a bad return but i’d rather have teuvo

[@_pulyx]

It still hurts me to see Teuvo in a canes uniform. But i don't think that was giving up on him. The team full well knew how good he was going to be. It was a matter of getting rid of Bickell's contract, and the price the canes asked for was Teravainen. Guess it's the price of winning 3 cups in 4 years. Bickell and Seabrook's contract are a stain on Bowman's work. People have been giving him a lot of shit since the team fell off, but he's been quietly drafting well. But we're still strapped with that awful contract for Seabrook, hamstringing our possibilities in free-agency and trade markets. First Saad (the first time) then Teravainen and after that, Panarin. All that because of Bickell and Seabrook.

[@nicholasj.kennedy2570]

The second rounder that Chicago got from Carolina turned into Debrincat. Just an FYI