7 Unwinnable Boss Fights You Can Beat If You're Good Enough: Commenter Edition

Occasionally a videogame will set you up to fail with an ‘unwinnable’ boss fight, where your defeat is supposedly assured. But some of these so-called unwinnable boss fights are more winnable than they first appear if you have the skill and persistence to triumph over that boss. We took a tour of just some of these fights in a previous video and now return with the best of the commenters’ suggestions from that list. Enjoy, and subscribe for a video like this every Thursday!
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[@Taracinablue]

"But what if the player actually beats him?" "That's impossible." "But what if it somehow happens?" "Eh... just kill him anyway."

[@IDontKnowWhatThisIs8755]

Unlike Jaro Tapal where you aren't supposed to be able to kill and has no death animation meaning he just stands there with no animations at all he can only be defeated by non explosion splash attacks such as the web left by the jump attack on the albino spider from Kashyyk however you spell it , a flame trooper's flamethrower and a skungus explosion but the skungus is the only one that comes back so the others won't work so well because Tapal attacks them and they will most likely die the skungus you just hold force pull aim at Tapal and force push repeat this process without being sliced by that lightsaber of his and you should be able to kill the "Invincable" boss of Fallen Order

[@stoutishvoice4185]

Damn why here is not sekiro?

[@DamienTB]

@@IDontKnowWhatThisIs8755 Jesus Christ, use some punctuation. That was so miserable to try and read

[@donovanmahan2901]

"Let's have a god punch them in the face of they somehow make it past."

[@Hunted0LessShirt]

My favourite of these was in DS fighter Draglade. One of the semi-final bosses, Zeke, comes to whoop your ass fairly early on in the game but if you do manage to block, heal up and tickle him for long enough, the game includes a short cutscene of Zeke smacking you down one final time before fading to black to start the regular cutscene for after your defeat.

[@boulderfrogboulderfrog6512]

I do like that playing through 1 as pacifist corvo does actually make him worse at combat, to the point where daud is able to imagine beating him in a fight, where he can’t if you’re high chaos

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

Good man

[@Sora2k9]

Yet still playing as a pacifist is a hundred times harder than playing in high chaos lmao

[@patrickhanlon2325]

@@Sora2k9 really ? I always found pacifist playthrough to be really easy and high choas to be kinda daunting

[@artyomn5768]

I started playing high chaos on second playthrough, and it is easier for me. You are just slashing everyone instantly with those powers and gadgets u can't use in pacifist.

[@Spparklings]

@@patrickhanlon2325 Yea , same for myself , pacifist was easier to finish than high chaos ! All you had to do is sneak around and find another entrance and ofc in dishonored you have like 50 diff. ways to sneak somewhere !

[@doctorneotech7011]

Fun fact: in the scripted loss against Jetstream Sam in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, his attacks are completely reactive so if you never attack him he won’t ever attack you and you’re stuck on the train forever.

[@KimDare75]

I was surprised they didn't mention it...

[@Sph_611]

@@KimDare75 "7 unwinnable boss fight you can actually beat"

[@donovanfaust3227]

@@KimDare75 a draw is not the same as a win.

[@mewmew8932]

"So... are you going to attack me?" "Not if you attack me first." "Well, since I know you'll whoop me, I just won't attack." "Uhhh..."

[@raimarulightning]

​@@donovanfaust3227What if it's a drawing contest?

[@ClockFink]

I am convinced FromSoft games make the “hey, lose now” tutorial bosses technically winnable purely to make us feel bad about ourselves due to awareness we *could* have won if we were better.

[@shinobix4925]

They're absolutely great for replays though cause you can feel beautiful about kicking their ass since your skill's built up

[@TeppiaxD]

Well the game has NG+, so you always get the runback.

[@KyrieFortune]

No, it's because NG+ exists and making the tutorial bosses winnable with a lot of skill and knowledge of the game is an incentive to replay the game Also, the Dark Souls tutorial boss is already very winnable, you just need a broken sword and gravity

[@ZizixxSamurai]

It's better than unbeatable bosses though. I quite seriously hate bosses that You can't defeat.

[@krysbrynhildr]

@@KyrieFortune Technically the Dark Souls tutorial boss is winnable the first time you see him even if you don't do the Obvious run away tactic that the room layout sets you up for it just is hard and takes forever (but does give you his unique weapon that you only get if you beat him at that point). Honestly he's not even that tricky for the Real version of the first boss fight so long as you don't just button mash even if you mess up the jump attack that takes off a ton of his health to start the match off though. Just have to understand that Dark Souls is basically an intentionally sort of jank feeling 3d Arena Fighting game that'll punish you for being too greedy with your combos, so instead you have to do a lot of "pokes" when its safe to start things off, and usually thats when an enemy has whiffed or you've blocked enough of their combo.

[@PatrickLongblkwhtrbbt]

Funny thing, Elden Ring doesn't count your loss against the Grafted Scion as a "death". You don't get the death animation and you don't leave a bloodstain. However if you beat the Scion and fall off the cliff, you DO get those things! So congrats, if you want to do a no death run you actually have to lose to GC the first time you meet him

[@naiiin6949]

Wait so the game actually makes sure you can't use the souls you just got from the scion? Ah, fromsoft, truly the masters of immediately kicking you down after you thought you accomplished something...

[@PatrickLongblkwhtrbbt]

@@naiiin6949 correct. But it didn't matter. Melina grants you the ability to take souls. You didn't know how to use them before your meet her anyway. Which is why the porcelain masked war doctor makes fun of you for being "maidenless"

[@naiiin6949]

@@PatrickLongblkwhtrbbt i know. I've platinumed the game already lol. But in theory you could keep the souls till you meet melina if you're careful, but you can't return to the tutorial until quite a bit later, so the game actively keeps you from getting a headstart XD

[@gothicbutterfly013]

@@naiiin6949 no if you beat the scion but then fall off the cliff to get torrent and stuff I'm pretty sure it doesn't take your souls away, as if you had a branch equipped

[@naiiin6949]

@@gothicbutterfly013 ah ok, thx. Yeah, now that i think about it, i probably should have noticed that in ng+...

[@SkitSkat8008]

In devil may cry 5, in the beginning you face the main villain named urizen as Nero in your first boss fight where you're meant lose where you take in more damage than usual. If you manage to beat him, the game will end immediately and you get a sarcastic message saying this was the perfect conclusion we've hoped for and a picture of all the other characters together with a message saying and they lived happily ever after

[@Ramsey276one]

For as long as V can, that is…

[@danielmayer38]

If I'm not mistaken that was on the original list

[@Benjobros]

I don’t remember the picture, I definitely remember the text though, and also the achievement you get for doing such a thing, which isn’t too hard on a second playthrough, seeing as it’s basically mission 8 Urizen with slightly more damage

[@SupaDanteX]

Just like in Ninja Gaiden, beatiing prologue Urizen unlocks the next tier of difficulty too! For that purpose, the game counts the silly game ending as an official game ending. You just don't unlock the new outfits for doing so.

[@red_back5382]

they already did that in the original video

[@burnin8able]

the funny part about the elden ring first fight there is that technically if the grafted scion kills you, it doesn't actually kill you. it just gets you to one hp and then you're teleported to the cave where the tutorial is. but if you beat him you actually have to die for real off that cliff to progress lmao

[@robogamin9613]

Basically a fuck you, you ain't getting these runes.

[@raerae4099]

Really? Very first time I played I got it to half health and was so confused

[@burnin8able]

@@raerae4099 yeah, you go through a death animation in the event the grafted scion "defeats" you, but it doesn't count as a death as far as your character statistics or anything like that

[@jonfuku5097]

Yu-Gi-Oh: Forbidden Memories has one that's meant to be unwinnable since you're forced to lose. It's the first time Heishin appears in the game and he pretty much has all the best cards in the game. If you manage to win, however, you get a really good card to add to your deck (1 from a pool of really good cards), but the guy just says "Again," and you have to duel him until he beats you.

[@zerwardzelaiine7622]

Well that's just rude and petty of him, cant even take the L like a champ smh

[@lorddestroyer426]

so, if that the case, you can just create the best deck at the start of the game

[@rafaelcastor2089]

Eh... Heishin is not that great. He doesn't even cheats (or rather "shits") out UBEWDs left and right like Kaiba starts doing later on

[@DusttheDragon]

Kinda depends on knowing the game though, he stomps you otherwise.

[@legion6211]

Better then getting cheated on when they clearly didn't have the game ending card as they could of played it ages ago but as soon as I get them to 1 hp they do

[@nikolasurban7256]

I didn’t even know Corvo bossfight was supposed to be unwinnable lol. I played in low chaos, as in: every time I was discovered I fought until I died or killed everyone and reloaded so I was prepared.

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

I'm always prepared

[@mickeybat5816]

@@lordcorvoatanoxp5501 Weren't too prepared when Delilah came and got your ass during Emily's corination tho.

[@gaetanperrussel5040]

Same, I beat Corvo with only moderate difficulty on my playthrough of brigmore witches (which, now that I know the base chaos level of the DLC, I know took informations in my low chaos run on "the blade of Dunwall" and my ghost, clean hands run of Dishonored 1, so, yeah, I started with some assets)

[@Volsung84]

I did the same thing.

[@spicybeantofu]

Main reason I hated the game is it relies so heavily on stealth. My weakest skill.

[@tba113]

Andy: Did we ever deal with the Blair Witch? Jane: _I_ did. [laughs] That seems more ominous than it really should for some reason.

[@revolver265]

Jane is definitely the Blair witch. Killing their co-workers is a hassle and detrimental to the pretense that everything is running fine, that's the only reason why everyone is still safe.

[@Urahara451]

You could really hear the implied “and you’re welcome world” in that laugh

[@billyalarie929]

I love the absolute chaos engine that is Jane.

[@davidjohnston4240]

The the Blair Witch weigh the same as a duck?

[@leonbrooke5587]

Andy means "deal to" while Jane means "do a deal with", important difference

[@EJFreelancer]

I feel like I’ve been watching OutsideXbox off and on for a decade. Major props for the channel longevity.

[@negative6442]

Meanwhile Playstation Access is basically dead. RIP

[@frostyblade8842]

@Negative It's really not. It's flagging, somewhat badly, but as long as Rob and Dave are still there, the channel can never truly die. Shame the Friday Features barely happen anymore though, so Oxbox is definitely in a better state

[@trizkit995]

@@negative6442 difference is Microsoft supported this team Sony left PlayStation access to struggle on its own

[@adamssj2295]

The difference is xbox has Jane Douglas

[@evandebuck6225]

I cracked up at the “to prove me wrong you’ll have to finish Moby Dick. Check Mate” Just a brilliant line

[@jayman071410]

I love the "if you're good enough". I'm comfortably casual or in other words, not good enough 😂

[@PippaPasses]

Knowing my place as a filthy casual 😌

[@linkholder]

Everyone is good enough. Unless you are one of those RoB Bloodhound Step Bubbletear invader ganking cucks, in which case... git gud.

[@boobah5643]

Well, there's always Lavos. No need to git gud when you have the power of New Game+!.

[@Jus_Joj]

I don't even play games to get good at them, I don't mind sucking ass at them, I'm cool with losing. It's just a video game.

[@believeinmatter]

“Comfortably Casual” is a great idea for a Gamertag or Screen name

[@IndustrialBonecraft]

I've finished Moby Dick. I can confirm the line 'from hells heart I stab at thee' is said by Ahab as he brandishes a canister of whale oil shortly before it explodes in a massive fireball.

[@minimike1541]

i literally paused the video and scrolled down here for this exact comment. thank you i can unpause now.

[@jhorn64]

Moby Dick was one of the very few books we were forced to read in school that I actually found interesting and enjoyed

[@gregoirebasseville4797]

No way, I thought this was a joke ! I really should read that book one day, if only for some hilarious lines to use in games.

[@Steev42]

Had to read it in high school. Hated it so much I refused to read the last chapter out of principle.

[@jjt5073]

@@gregoirebasseville4797 i regret to inform you guys that while ahab does say this shortly before he and the rest of the crew are killed he does not cause a massive explosion with whale oil

[@aquaticchaos1717]

Funny thing about Terraria’s Dungeon Guardian: even if you defeat it, you still aren’t allowed inside until you defeat Skeletron- a boss that is REQUIRED to complete the game fully as the penultimate boss only spawns in once the Dungeon’s entrance is cleared of the Old Man who summons Skeletron in the first place

[@tardigrade9733]

I finally just played Demons Souls (remake) for the first time ever, and I’ve heard nothing good about that damned Vanguard demon. But after years of battle hardening myself with other Fromsoft titles, starting with Kingsfield, and ending with Elden Ring, I stepped into that encounter with a superb level of confidence. I thought, come on, self, this is what you’ve been training for. Then he one shotted me within seconds

[@dr.jingles7377]

Did you go back and slay tho

[@tardigrade9733]

@@dr.jingles7377 no haha. My backlog of games is way too big. I just beat the game and then started Forbidden West, which i did slay

[@TheFirstCurse1]

​@@tardigrade9733Horizon: Forbidden West is such an amazing game. I'm about halfway through it (haven't been able to play it since last year due to complications) but I loved every second of it so far.

[@lisah-p8474]

I appreciate Andy pointing out Majima's cool eyepatch as a tool in his fight arsenal. The sheer badassery of his character design is unparalleled: eyepatch, yakuza tats, leather pants, snakeskin jacket, metal tipped boots, a sweet undercut, and cheekbones that would cut glass. You'd be so distracted by his whole deal that he'd have an extra advantage on top of his regular martial skills.

[@lucascyr98]

Oh god, was I ever confused when I read the last line in your post. I could've sworn you were complimenting Majima's "Marital skills"

[@lisah-p8474]

@@lucascyr98 I wish I had first hand knowledge of his marital skills. Nudge nudge wink wink. Lmao

[@rickimaru915]

The best thing about the Grafted Scion boss is that you can find a portal much later in the game, which sends you back to the starting area, giving you a chance to take your revenge

[@Draeckon]

You can also stumble onto the collapsing cliff if you didn't kill it the first time. lol

[@LashknifeTalon]

@@Draeckon The best part is I think you actually warp in BEHIND where the Scion is (i.e. where the cliff is); I remember warping there, turning around to explore, and then falling off the cliff.

[@OfficalHamtaro]

OK now that I did not know that's awesome

[@ryanmartin4602]

Can you still find that portal if you kill it? Will it be back?

[@rickimaru915]

@@ryanmartin4602 Indeed you can. The boss won’t be back though

[@PrimeTimeAction]

0:47 Goro - Yakuza Kiwami 3:44 Corvo - Dishonored: The Brigmore Witches 6:33 Grafted Scion - Elden Ring 9:37 Doku - Ninja Guiden SIgma 11:20 Lavos - Chrono Trigger 15:50 Dungeon Gaurdian - Terraria 18:14 Vangaurd Fatty - Deamon Souls

[@jasonarcher6687]

I can’t believe dmc5 wasn’t on this list. Beating the first boss gives you a shortened credits scene that contains a cut down version of the combat theme. It’s amazing they put that much into it for a good laugh.

[@Airlord3670]

Kiwami actually has a second ‘unwinnable’ fight while you’re training the Dragon Style. Normally you get taught a technique and have to prove it in a fight, then get to use it everywhere. However, one of the fights is against “Hanyaman” (definitely, absolutely, 100% not just Majima in a mask) who is meant to absolutely wreck you a second time. But you can beat him more easily than the first time, partially because you have access to levelling and healing items and because Hanyaman doesn’t use a bladed weapon, which can’t be blocked without an item. You still get the same technique either way, but also 10,000xp and a few funny lines where the trainer just shrugs and goes ‘well you were meant to learn about perseverance in the face of adversity but whatever’.

[@s4ty-s4t]

that was an intended loss? huh i just kept chugging staminan royales so maybe that helepd

[@BazZx]

@@s4ty-s4t lol same, i just keep using stamina royale and spaming heat actions

[@SeektheLordsface]

Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain./Inspiration+I have often felt bad that there has been nothing in my life that I felt so strongly for that I would be willing to die for it. The Apostle Paul implores all believers in Christ to change their view about this: all Christians have Christ to thank for life and should be willing to die for Him./Prayer+My life is yours, Lord Jesus, and I ask that You use me in any way that You deem appropriate in Your service. I am but one man, but there are many like me, and through many, we are one. You have united us all through Your sacrifice, and we are forever indebted to Your name. I love You for this, and will live and die for You. In Your holy name I pray. Amen.

[@Drewdignity]

Idk how but I beat him the first time so I didn't know you were supposed to lose lol

[@kuchiku-kanzo759]

I beat that fight my first try. Now majima took me about an hour or a little more to beat. Trying to fight him and win with nothing was hell

[@0PercentImagination]

An interesting list might be characters you wish you were allowed to kill, from ones that give you a game over to others that are just plain invincible that you really don't like. Especially when replaying a game and knowing who will betray you, example being General Shepard.

[@SolaScientia]

The Constant from the Hitman games is on that list for me.

[@jaredcrabb]

Slightly different I think but Ramon Salazar is annoying as fuck.

[@linkholder]

Ranni

[@RickachuCXVI]

They have a list like that I believe, something like, "times you were robbed of a boss fight" or something similar

[@darebrained]

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[@cdrunner7876]

I saw Corvo and was immediately intrigued. I’ll never forget when I beat Dishonored without anyone seeing me or killing anybody.

[@werewolfinhabana7302]

mmhhh really an exquisite feeling of fulfillment

[@supercool1594]

When someone sees me, I have no choice but to resort to murder. In my case, at least

[@davidbasara6162]

​@@supercool1594 it's not a crime if they can't prove you did it

[@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead]

I love how when they're talking about hows skilled you need to be they're showing footage of fighting skeletron with post-mech weapons.

[@Explodinghairypotatocat]

I mean terraria is hard If you haven't played it 30 times

[@MegiddoRain]

In Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword for the Nintendo DS, Momiji gets attacked by a dragon in the prologue chapter that you're supposed to lose to, but if you beat it as her you unlock a new mode where you can play her throughout the whole game.

[@basketbomberslackingson4417]

I thought it still took her out?

[@settingittowumbo1953]

Well I have the game so now I have to try this

[@arzfan29]

Pretty sure that's wrong, nothing special seems to happen, you do play as her on the hardest difficulty regardless of if you win or lose though

[@Funami2006]

@@basketbomberslackingson4417 it takes her out in a cutscene, and then you unlock the mode

[@duhotatoday3277]

That fight is really clunky

[@neah2k11]

Once you have unlocked the ability to time travel you can challenge Lavos at any time. Depending on what you've actually done up to that point, you get a different ending.

[@miciso666]

@Grima the Fell Dragon more like 30 endings

[@rjrohrbach4572]

My favorite classic video game ever I still have a copy but I don't have a way to hook up my snes to my new TV lol I need to remedy that

[@Webmaster4531]

Ocean palace Lavos is the strongest version of the exterior of Lavos. Any other way and Lavos mimics bosses throughout the game.

[@neah2k11]

When I played it via the FF Chronicles collection on Playstation there were 12 endings I think.... two of the distinct endings were beating Lavos the first time you could time travel in New Game Plus and the first time you canonically faced him

[@arzfan29]

And new game plus

[@sorurus7552]

In Fallout 4’s Nuka-World DLC, the beginning quest’s boss Overboss Colter is meant to only be able to be killed by using the Thirst Blaster (a water gun) to short circuit his armor and make him vulnerable to attack. However with enough damage (mostly with crits) it’s possible to deal damage and kill Colter without the gun.

[@wasteofskinofficial9253]

You are never supposed to lose to him though, so he doesn’t match the criteria

[@kevinja8]

I love how they didn't bother trying to actually kill a dungeon guardian, and went into journey mode. I mean I don't blame ya, I would never imagine doing it myself.

[@Terracatlegend]

I've done it with friends and good wings to get away

[@Kataclysm113]

I did it legit once. i don't blame them either, it takes so long you could probably use it as a form of psychological torture.

[@homerman76]

I'm reminded of a boss in Eternal Sonata that was kind of the opposite of this, in that it was an unwinnable boss that seemed winnable (all the bosses in that game are difficult in the PS3 version, so you know) and I believe it even had the caveat that you could only move forward after dying at a certain health range, leaving me pretty convinced I needed to beat the boss after the first death, only to realize I wasted a bunch of time and resources on a boss whose hp would literally never hit 0

[@VonBlade]

Such a forgotten gem. Nobody ever talks about the game with the incredible graphics and soundtrack.

[@gtsgreatteacherscathach5550]

It's nice to see someone talk about Eternal Sonata I loved that hidden gem of a game.

[@l33tsamurai]

Wanted to play it, but didn't have the game system, or money, or parents who would let me buy it...

[@sarrowthehedgehog]

I have it on my 360 but barely touched it. There's a puzzle not long after the start with retto and beat that I just could not figure out

[@Trashh757]

When you "kill" genichiro in his first fight, but one of his cronies stops you in a cut scene was SO FRUSTRATING

[@aplynx]

You can fight Lavos at almost any point in the game and get different endings for depending on when and who's in the party.

[@Hugelag]

In Kirby Super Star/Ultra's sub-game Meta Knight's Revenge, the first boss you encounter is Heavy Lobster. What's supposed to happen is that you'd be too distracted to notice the he's a diversion and get blown off the ship. However, it's possible to defeat Heavy Lobster before the ship takes off. You still get blown off the ship, though.

[@SilverFoxeGames]

If you want to count it as a boss, the Kecleon shopkeeper in some Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games, if not all of them, can be survived if you manage to get a setup with a ghost type pokemon in a wall next to the stairs, allowing you to have a free, though probably not worth it, item

[@marhawkman303]

fun fact: this is the only way to recruit Kecleons. you don't find them in the wild... anywhere.

[@TheEndlessCycle]

@@marhawkman303 you recruit a kecleon by robbing em and then killing em? Eh not gonna question the logic of that 🤷‍♀️🤣

[@marhawkman303]

@@TheEndlessCycle It's bizarre to me too. I don't think it's actually KILL though.. just beat them up. It's just that it's the ONLY way to fight Kecleons, and you have to fight things to recruit them.

[@nathanielbass771]

@@TheEndlessCycle it's actually MUCH worse than that. It requires a ton of items and then a special item that increases your recruitment rate where once you have completed this awkward task, you then have a 1 in 200 chance of recruiting a character that is more powerful than most Pokemon are at max level and has one of the most absurdly powerful movesets in the game with few limits to what TM's it can learn as well in terms of attacking, so, to reiterate, you have to defeat TWO HUNDRED enemies that are stronger than the super bosses of the game and can attack you in groups of more than 1 while all possessing permanent stat boosts. It's difficult even if you cheat, let alone legit XD

[@nathanielbass771]

@@TheEndlessCycle and for added fun, kekleon are RANDOM encounters. There are certain dungeons where they appear more frequently, but again, 1 in 200 against a Pokemon that you have next to nil chance of beating without absurd levels of prep XD

[@Jest_r13]

I'm so glad I clicked this video cause I thought they would talk about the Majima fight and it's the first one in the video. My day is made.

[@graymorality]

I always think of the Queen rescue fight in Dragon Age: Origins that is supposed to lead to an adventure rescuing the Warden from prison

[@impishlyit9780]

Yasssss

[@billthebodyguy]

I would watch a 15 part video series where Andy talks about anything from the Yakuza games that pops into his head.

[@lucascyr98]

My head is in a constant loop of Bakamitai and 24 hour Cinderella

[@billthebodyguy]

@@lucascyr98 same! Although "Hands" has been getting a blasting from me!

[@IamaPERSON]

How about DMC5’s first boss? Not only do you get bragging rights, but you also get a hidden ending for beating him!

[@theinspiredgamer1949]

That was already covered in the first list

[@IamaPERSON]

@@theinspiredgamer1949 oh. Good to know it was covered at some point, though.

[@yeshua7238]

Though DMC3 also had an “unwinnable” fight at the end of the game with a secret cutscene leading into the original DMC if you beat it. And in the sections of the first DMC where you’re just supposed to run from Phantom, you can turn around and fight him instead

[@IamaPERSON]

@@yeshua7238 that’s so cool!

[@mickeybat5816]

@@yeshua7238 I think every dmc after 3 has those end scenes. Which i literally love, because like it kinda gives some insight on what the characters were up to after the main story is said and done

[@Coldslicer]

the hardest part of the dungeon guardian boss is... leaving the dungeon without dying. after that its just a waiting game to see who dies first, and with ranger class its easy if you have endgame equipment since the surface is a perfect place to fight the boss

[@Crosbycha]

In terraria there is another bossfight that is meant to be "impossible". Later in the game there is a boss called Empress of Light that is supposed to be fought at night, and if it is day she will oneshot you with any of her attacks, but if you are good enough to not get hit and battle her at daytime you will get the Terraprisma, a summoner weapon that is arguably the best summon in the game and can be used even after the end of the game.

[@animeoni98]

What about Yooka-Laylee and The Impossible Lair? Not only are the final level and boss meant to be unbeatable at the start of the game, but the entire plot is about getting more hitpoints by beating levels so you can eventually come back and brute force your way through it. It's always possible to try the level though, and it is legitimately beatable from the start of the game. You just have to be incredible at platformers or a masochist to do it.

[@Ramsey276one]

Indeed O_q

[@arzfan29]

And they added a lever to try with no bees or checkpoints at any point you want

[@jameshart2622]

Why not both?

[@Dustin_Frost]

Honestly there needs to be a 7 Bossfights You Can't Win Because Story. I always got so mad when I could wail on a boss only for the game to interrupt me so some annoying side character can "save me".

[@emeraldaly7646]

Kai Leng - Mass Effect 3 Khotun Khan (first encounter) - Ghost of Tsushima

[@DJAB87]

Beatrix and Kuja from Final Fantasy 9.

[@debbiejones7269]

Saren in ME1, on Virmire. I had that SOB and then the cutscene happened.

[@KanuckStreams]

Majima Goro is freaking awesome. And I love him.

[@JorjIto12872]

0:Sad Kiwami: Goofy

[@_underscore_9271]

In enter the matrix, there was a fight you were supposed to lose to seraph, that you can win, and if I remember correctly, it actually skipped the pretty difficult second to last level if you did

[@brother_bear_one7340]

Alpha Weltall from Xenogears comes to mind. Usually he wipes the floor with your party, but with some extremely careful preparation you can take him down. You get an epic armor and equally epic amounts of gold and EXP for the trouble

[@KLGChaos]

Rico is another one. When you go one on one with him, he usually destroys you. If you manage to somehow beat him, it basically still treats you like you lost. Lol.

[@IWearTimepants]

What about Super Metroid? You can actually beat Ridley in the space station at the beginning of the game, causing him to briefly drop the Metroid capsule before grabbing it again and flying off.

[@craigfunk3453]

Good luck landing the 100 shots for that. But it is fun to see him flee with his tail between his legs instead of what I assume to be Maniacal laughter as you are left at death's door

[@IWearTimepants]

@@craigfunk3453 for real. I actually managed to do it a couple of times, but even when I was speedrunning Super Metroid daily, I still wasn't even close to consistent (and it was faster to take the L, anyway).

[@coreyayers8575]

I thought u had too I would and my dad did I thought it was normal to beat

[@anomel2468]

I think my favorite example of the “lose and progress the story” bosses has got to be the starting urizen fight of devil may cry 5. If you beat him here, you get an alternate ending

[@goododarco2785]

The dungeon guardian fight can be automated using hoiks and a boomerang. You have to set a bed outside the dungeon, activate the guardian, warp to the bed, get in the hoik loop, and then throw the boomerang. This works because you are moving so fast the guardian will stay in the middle, and so will your boomerang.

[@GrayMoe]

I have been gaming for decades and the one achievement I have always wanted to achieve was to beat an unbeatable boss in a video game.

[@chrismanuel9768]

Tales of Symphonia has MULTIPLE unwinnable battles... the first time. It also is built with New Game+ as a primary goal and every single boss can be killed the second go round. There's also a hidden Title (classes/stat growth choice) in game if you can beat every boss through the first about 10 hours of gameplay without ever unequipping your wooden training sword.

[@nathanielbass771]

@@chrismanuel9768 good grief, that game is annoying even if you're over-leveled, let alone how it can utterly destroy you if you are under-leveled. I can't imagine playing the game with what was it, +0 to +10 in attack in a game that rather quickly requires hundreds if not thousands? XD

[@Goldenkitten1]

The thing I hate is I don't think I can think of a single game in which beating an "unwinnable" boss is actually worth the effort. In a best case scenario you get an extra line of dialogue and then are taken out in the following cutscene and in the worst case the game doesn't even recognize it and it continues exactly as it would have otherwise. Even games like DMC5 where you can beat the final boss at the very beginning give you nothing other than a sarcastic, "Good job, now go play the game the right way". Just once I'd like to see such a victory have story implications. Even if it was something as minor as it being referenced a few times and the characters pointing out that maybe it's not as impossible as they thought with you around. Just SOMETHING to make the time and effort you put into learning their attacks actually have impact.

[@SunshineJesse]

@@Goldenkitten1 in Lufia: The Legend Returns for the GBC, you get powerful items for beating boss fights that are supposedly hopeless. Some of those items remain good until endgame, iirc That’s about what only example I can think of though

[@immortalfrieza]

@@Goldenkitten1 It's even worse when you're completely incapable of winning the fight at all and you just get crushed no matter how much you prepared beforehand. If they're going to do that then they might as well just have a freaking cutscene.

[@Michael_Lindell]

In my case a more realistic list would be '7 Winnable Boss Fights You Can Lose If You're Bad Enough'.

[@BTBSOUNDS]

My first thought is Deadeye Duncan from KOTOR. Been watching a series one of my new favorite youtubers did on it and his failure due to not knowing and overthinking DnD rules made it the funniest thing ever

[@Cobra9702]

@@BTBSOUNDS MATN and his -1 perception is always funny

[@SolaScientia]

This brings to mind when Luke managed to die against the Witch of Hemwick and the Celestial Emissary when those are the 2 easiest bosses of Bloodborne.

[@Chernobog2]

Or "7 extremely easy bosses you'd have to be skilled to lose to," like Toriel in Undertale. It's possible to get killed by her but very difficult

[@GradyDP]

Wait who said I lost to false knight 7 times in Hollow Knight? That never happened! I can beat the first and easiest boss!

[@joesmutz9287]

Infinity Blade 1's God King Starts at level 50, and by the second time you reach him (the first being the tutorial) you're about level 3 The idea of the game is that you keep going through the same game and constantly leveling up, but he only levels up after you kill him If you're good enough or patient enough though, you can bleed him to death over a prolonged battle on your first run

[@Superluigi881]

I was dumb enough to attempt that but I just couldn't do it. I beat him the first time I got to him in the sequel where he's level 150 while I was about level 47 but that's the best I've done. And now the games don't work on iOS any more so I'll never get another chance.

[@connerwolf379]

I really thought empress of light fight in daytime would be on here. That was by far one of my favorite boss fights ever, also took me like 5 straight hours of grinding to beat her on account of her killing you if a single projectile hits you

[@lorddestroyer426]

The Daytime Empress of Light is a challenge that is meant to no-hit to get the best summon in the game

[@pulsefel9210]

It kinda fits cause part of doing low chaos is sparring daud when you get the chance to take him out

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

I went easy on him

[@VeryPeeved]

nah, you can do low chaos and still kill all of the main targets, Daud is no different. i for one spared him on my high chaos playthrough. why? because he surrendered. it's as simple as that. my high chaos Corvo was a man of honor, eschewing dirty tricks and skullduggery. he'd never cut down a surrendering opponent. but Daud is the only one who ever did. so most everyone else died.

[@iSeeCorpses]

I Spared him on my first playthrough. And i am going to still spare him. Daud best Boi. Fight me!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Wish more games do this. Makes things really feel natural on both gameplay and narrative standpoints.

[@ssblue8832]

There's also the X-ATM092, which you're supposed to run away from, in Final Fantasy VIII.

[@mercury2118]

Thank goodness I'm not the only final fantasy 8 nerd out there

[@Blizz3112]

Dying to Lavos concept is so bloody insane, that you can complete the game without reviving Chrono, and thus you complete it without the main character... XD

[@mitchellbonds766]

Great to see Chrono Trigger making it onto this list! Thanks for your great content, as always.

[@TitaRussellTrails]

First fight with Adam in Bravely Default 2. He's normally supposed to wipe you in 1 to 2 turns but if you grind a few levels on the enemies you can get the job levels and gear needed to survive then you can manipulate his AI into doing the moves you can counter. Doing so even gives a secret ending where the credits go by very quickly.

[@Ramsey276one]

I’m going to have to try that… XD

[@kalierdarkekd]

Lufia 2 always gets overlooked in these, and Gades is one of those bosses you aren't meant to win but can if you have grinded enough before reaching him. Your reward is his sword which is rather powerful for that point of the game.

[@nunyabusiness69]

Great minds think alike! I was thinking of Lufia the legend returns as well!

[@kalierdarkekd]

@@nunyabusiness69 Yup, series has a nice habit of making that guy murder you but giving you a really nice weapon if you win when you aren't meant to. (it's actually possible to oneshot the final boss of Lufia 2 with that weapon xD)

[@beatfromjetsetradio8239]

There’s another one in a game called “Salt and Sanctuary.” ‘The Unspeakable Deep’ attacks you in the prologue, and he’s a 1-hit-kill monster with a colossal health bar. If you beat him, you get extra heals and the rarest item in the game.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

I remember beating Lavos at that supposed to lose fight. It was pretty awesome.

[@PizzaMate]

0:43 Yakuza Kiwami - (Goro Majima) 3:41 Dishonored: The Brigmore Witches - (Corvo) 6:32 Elden Ring - (Grafted Scion) 9:36 Ninja Gaiden Sigma - (Doku) 12:19 Chrono Trigger - (Lavos) 15:49 Terraria - (Dungeon Guardian) 18:13 Demon’s Souls - (Vanguard Demon)

[@niceyoplay963]

Nice Thank you!!

[@Garfield_2-3-5]

That was really helpful. Thanks

[@treehann]

thanks this should be at the top. Videos like this have a lot of fluff.

[@average__height8033]

Pffft dungeon Guardian easy

[@hirammcdaniels7187]

You’re supposed to lose that fight with majima? I did not even know that.

[@tyrus1235]

The NIS RPGs and games usually have a ridiculously overpowered boss you meet at some point in the story that you're supposed to lose to. But if you powerlevel or get to them on a New Game+, you can actually beat them and it either changes the story (you open up a new "route"), gives you a secret character/item or just ends the game in a funny way. One such game is World Eaters, where you fight the first such World Eater near the begining of the game and you can either submit to the evil god that's inhabiting your mind (you get a ton of power if you do), which lets you beat the boss but ends the game in a bad end, or you can fight the boss with your own strength... At which point the boss decimates you and you continue the story recovering and trying to figure out a way to beat such mosntrosity. If, however, you are powerful enough (either through insane powerleveling - talking about 2000 levels here - or through a new game+), you can actually beat that boss. The game then throws you into a funny but very difficult bonus boss fight against Asagi (a sort of joke character in NIS games) and if you win against her, you unlock her as a secret character.

[@joenesvick7043]

My protagonist in Kotor was winning against Darth Malak, but he still had to "win" and kidnap someone important to me In The Witcher, Azar Javed & The Professor are suppose to win at the end of chapter two, win by knocking Geralt out and running away. I once incapacitated them both when being overpowered with mods and had to reload or be stuck in unending combat

[@willieoelkers5568]

Yeah, that first fight against him is, ironically, almost painfully easy for a fight against the reigning Darth and makes the subsequent "this foe is beyond any of you" bit rather jarring. It's like "No, actually I'm pretty sure I can finish him in like another 30 seconds, then we can all go home"

[@Draeckon]

@@willieoelkers5568 Ikr? The final fight against him is waaaaaaaay harder than when you fight him on the ship. Even when I first played the game and had no idea how to build my character, I was destroying him.

[@immortalfrieza]

@@Draeckon Master Force Speed + Master Flurry kills everything in the game with zero effort and works whether you're playing light or dark. Doing this I was slaughtering Malak in the final fight even while letting him restore from all the Jedi in the room and essentially fighting him multiple times in a row. The first "fight" isn't even something I'd call a fight with this strategy.

[@danielschnitzer7044]

Another one in the Witcher 3 DLC: You're supposed to lose your first encounter with Detlaff for the story to progress but you should technically be able to beat him

[@Mr_TheHan]

Mike saying that players with low chaos styles in Dishonored don't know how to do combat had better be aimed squarely at Andy.

[@marhawkman303]

Well, Mike is the guy who can snipe people with pistols in Dishonored.

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

My sights are on everyone

[@thatmadengineer_5552]

If outsidexbox played a rim shot every time a joke was deployed, the whole video would have a backing drum rhythm

[@The_Fat_Turtle]

Kunesh the drunk villager in the tutorial section of Kingdom Come:Deliverance deserves a mention. He is definitely designed to smack the shit out of you without mercy because you haven't even learned the basics of combat yet (like blocking or countering). However, if you are good at exploiting the combat system, you can beat him down but I was never able to do it.

[@revolver265]

I love it when games let you have your cake if you're skilled enough, but it's always BS when it railroads you into dying, like KH2's fight against Leon(?), or losing your arm anyways in Sekiro. Granted with older games winning wasn't expected and they might not have space on CD to program an alternate ending.

[@willieoelkers5568]

I think you mean the original Kingdom Hearts there. I get why they need it for the cutscene and transition, but yeah it's a touch disappointing that you're still KO'd in the end.

[@nathanielbass771]

Leon at least gives you an alternate dialogue. Funny enough, if I remember right, the fight ends with you collapsing from exhaustion right as you were about to deal the finishing blow if you manage to win and he comments something like it's ludicrous how much potential this kid has to push him into a corner

[@mickeybat5816]

Honestly I think when the devs actually take the time to account for you winning by giving the player an alternate scenario in which the player character loses is pretty cool lol.

[@revolver265]

@@willieoelkers5568 Sorry, I am remembering where you collapse from exhaustion anyways, and wrote the wrong game as I'm not in that fan community. As a DM, it just feels like bad manners to treat the player like that ^^;

[@austinstone478]

Leon also gives you an item just before you leave town if you manage to beat him.

[@DarknessDust]

I've been having a REALLY shitty day all day but your video managed to cheer me up a bit, thanks for always providing me with a laugh when I need it :)

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

Cheer? Laughter? These emotions are foriegn to me

[@avesrex]

hope you're doing better today! 😊

[@DarknessDust]

@@avesrex not completely but getting there, thank you

[@jzpowell2108]

@@DarknessDust this may not help you now, but in the future it might… even if you’re having a shite day just smile… research shows even fake smiling releases chemicals in your brain and will actually start improving your mood

[@dirtydoesink8457]

@@DarknessDust keep yer head up

[@tigerlover2853]

If you ever do a “Times the protagonist was the enemy.” I’d have to say “Live A Live” would deserve a spot on there, the entire end section of the game has you go back and beat the hell out of everyone you previously played as, as whatever character you chose. (Unless you chose Oersted, but I don’t know how to describe that.)

[@Sunari]

I remember the tutorial for fighting in Chrono Cross being unwinnable, but in new game+ being able to refuse defeat to Radius and hobbling him. Eventually he just ends combat rather than flopping over despite getting the low health pose, or at least it's hard to say if it's a win since he quits but it doesn't quite feel like one due to lack of defeat either...

[@mandoschMUh]

It never ceases to amaze me how entertaining your videos are. This time Mike's parts tickled me the most, just pure excellence!

[@TrimutiusToo]

Challenge accepted... I finished war and piece, surely i can finish Moby Dick

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

Nothing prepares you for the horrors at the end

[@TheFleeingPhoenix]

11:35 Hey hey hey!!! That was actually exceedingly clever! Great job.

[@DurtyDan]

Jokes on you Mike, I HAVE read Moby Dick and I know for a fact that Ishmael survived the Whale Nuke. He was left scared both physically and mentally, known thereafter as Punished Ishmael.

[@cthulahoopisntreal]

[laughs in Kojima]

[@Ezlo49]

On the topic of Fromsoftware, in Sekiro, the first fight with Genichiro Ashina is winnable. It also gives insight into Genichiro's character.

[@BeanManolo]

The fact he distracts you with a arrow and cuts your arm off anyway if you beat him is incredible but angering

[@LazloRTR]

@@DontXtheStream it's not here, because they already featured it in the first video. Which after I checked, was 3 years ago so it's reasonable that y'all didn't know

[@naiiin6949]

@@BeanManolo he isn't even the one to distract you. The shinobi he has with him, the one who carries kuro in the cutscene, throws a shuriken which is what distracts you. Without his backup genichiro would have lost in that scenario

[@nevergivegonnaupyou6321]

@@naiiin6949 "A shinobi should know the difference between honor and victory." - Genichiro Ashina

[@naiiin6949]

@@nevergivegonnaupyou6321 "pathetic grandchild" - Isshin Ashina

[@EdgeAlterNation]

How about Heishin in Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories? He is the first person you HAVE to fight in order to progress the story at the start of the game. While you start off with low level cards hovering around 1000 Attack Points (at most), Heishin will have immediate access to high level cards with AP around or above 3000! If you somehow manage to beat him, he will call you lucky and force you to duel him over and over again until you lose, because losing to him is the only way to continue the story. Heishin is a dirty rotten cheat.

[@willieoelkers5568]

Isn't that how everyone wins in a Yugioh story? I mean, what else do you call suddenly creating new cards in the middle of a duel, or simply having unique cards that were never officially printed?

[@nathanielbass771]

that is hilarious XD wonder what sort of cards allowed that to happen or if it was literally all luck?

[@EdgeAlterNation]

@@nathanielbass771 Yeah beating him is entirely RNG. You gotta hope he only draws his lowest AP cards, while you have to draw the right cards to get the best fusion combos.

[@imnotgivingmyname2389]

I would submit "Dallis the Hammer" from divinity 2. Technically you don't have to fight her and her posse at the start of the game in fort joy, but she is a story boss later on. If you try to throw down with her, you are supposed to get smashed flat, but it is possible to beat her. If you manage it she transforms into a dragon (a cool lore reveal that you are not supposed to know until much later) and flies off, leaving her sweet hammer behind.

[@xtrastarfish6431]

My dad was actually able to beat Doku on the final difficulty, craziest thing I've ever seen.

[@1UpEXP]

There's Gades from Lufia 2 who's supposed to be a scripted loss fight but is actually beatable if you grind hard enough, and he drops a cool overpowered sword that lasts you a good portion of the game

[@frodobaggins7710]

I came close to beating Majima on my first playthrough, but just couldn't deal with his spin attack. It always got me

[@alastair4410]

The ending in Chrono Trigger where you meet the developers is actually when you beat the game with New Game + using Lucca's right teleporter to immediately warp to Lavos.

[@ArmandoDoval]

No, the video is correct. It also happens if you beat Lavos at the Ocean Palace. It's also not necessary to use New Game+, but you need to level up to 40+, do all the endgame side quests available up to that point and use every stat Tab at your disposal to stand a chance.

[@Juankprieto]

This reminds me of the first fight against Leon in Tales of Destiny for the PS1. You can actually beat him and instead of getting arrested, you are free as a bird and fly straight into a game over for breaking the timeline

[@darnit16]

Tales of Symphonia 2 has a few fights with Lloyd(?) in the earlier hours and there are slight changes in dialogue and resolutions to things if you do manage to win. I think. It's been a long time since I played it.

[@jojobee2133]

Jokes on you Mike, I was in advance english all throughout middle and highschool so I have long since read Moby Dick... for those who haven't its an epic explosion

[@marhawkman303]

YES!!!! tiny pieces of ship everywhere!!!!!

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

My targets always end up at the center of the explosions

[@ryadinstormblessed8308]

Wow, finally a segment that makes ne feel like an accomplished gamer! I did defeat Lavos in that 1st battle, on a New Game +.

[@immortalfrieza]

On New Game + it's really much much easier to win the Ocean Palace Lavos to get that ending than it is to beat Lavos as Chrono alone to get that ending the way you're typically supposed to.

[@Gaawachan]

My favorite examples probably come from the Tales of series. Destiny, Symphonia, Vesperia, and Hearts all have fights like this, and while some of them only result in minor tweaks after the battle, Hearts actually changes part of the next sequence of the game, and Destiny gives you a hilarious non-standard game over.

[@johnnymontalvo5620]

Nice. Another good one is Lu Bu in a lot of the Dynasty Warriors games. The first time you see him, you usually have to run around him, but he is beatable once you level up, or by cheesing certain moves.

[@francovenica1531]

In Yugioh forbidden memories, almost at the start of the game there is a battle with a guy that there is no way to win since he has cards that you simply cannot overcome. But, once you finish the game you can start over with the deck you have by that time so now you can actually beat that guy, the result is just the guy battling you over and over until he wins

[@woobcity4087]

If you start with a really good deck you can beat him on the first play through! Takes a lot of luck but it can be done

[@francovenica1531]

@@woobcity4087 Unless you farm your life in free duel to get the twin headed thunder dragon and I guess some equips you are out of luck with that guy

[@woobcity4087]

@@francovenica1531 a lot of starter decks come with a THTD combo, the luck comes with getting the equips and maybe Raigeki.

[@robertbearce5871]

A great example of winnable unwinnable boss fights are every Suikoden game. Almost inevitably, the game will pit you against a battle you can lose and the game's story still advances. One notable fight is in Suikoden 3 where you fight Yuber for the first time. Normally you get destroyed, but if you are good enough (or power level) you can beat him and get some extra loot.

[@drakuro6618]

In Suikoden 2, there's normal battle and war battle where you control whole unit. In late game, one of the unit got surrounded by so many enemies it's almost impossible to break out, and having that unit defeated somehow makes the commander died permanently and the story will continue. I can't even remember the hours and how many times I had to reload my save trying my best to save him, and I even started to believe it was designed as a losing battle with no way out. but eventually I succeeded after luckily managed to crit all my attack that could one shot each unit every turn. Couldn't even believe it was actually possible

[@duhotatoday3277]

Suikoden 2 war battles were so bad and script dependant/: I remember trying so many times to save the villagers running towards us but then turns out nothing happens when they reach the party and none of the units does anything as enemies go to their territory and slаughters people

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

I've beaten the only 3 of these I encountered (vanguard, grafted scion, and dungeon guardian). It makes me kind of sad when they don't acknowledge it or you just have to die anyway.

[@MrLainon]

It's from an earlier time and from a slightly different genre, but this vid reminded me instantly of Star Fox 64. Back then people didn't look up tutorials as often, so a lot of people I knew played them game a ton and even thought that they had beat the game dozens of times, not realizing that they only fought a decoy boss at the end, or maybe they picked up on the hints, but didn't realize that it was possible to actually win the game if they played a bit better, and listened to key bits of advice from the other members of the team. There are a lot of times when it may seem that you are supposed to fail certain objectives, or temporarily lose teammates, but actually you just need to get gud.

[@cearnicus]

Mike: _"The steampunk authorities would be all over me. And I don't need that kind of heat!"_ So that means you'll be careful in tomorrow's Blades in the Dark, right? ... Right? ᴼʰ ᵈᵉᵃʳ⋅

[@lordcorvoatanoxp5501]

All steam engines are fired up and ready to avenge

[@Cbb88dragonborn]

Forgive me if it’s been done before, but I’ll never forget replaying Jedi Fallen Order and beating the Second Sister in her first fight. Usually unwinnable, and you don’t get anything special for it, but it’s possible

[@markerikson7423]

oh, really? I might try that sometime

[@chriswest6988]

Sort of related: I got really sick of beating bosses I was supposed to beat in that game only to have a cutscene tell me that I was about to die until another hero (or villain in the one case) stepped in and saved me.

[@crimsonDestroyer]

To me, the defining example of a boss you can defeat, but aren't supposed to, has always been Everhood's Incinerator. As part of the story, near the beginning, you get thrown into an incinerator, where you have to dodge squares of flame appearing on the ground. You're intended to die to the overwhelming amount of attacks being thrown at you, sending you into a sequence where you get revived. However, Everhood doesn't have equipment - the only thing stopping you from beating the Incinerator is lack of skill. And if you persevere, your reward is unquestionably the hardest boss fight in the game. The Incinerator is a harsh, dangerous endurance match. It goes on unbearably long, and the attack patterns gradually ramp up from "utterly insane" to "literally inhuman". The achievements for beating and no-hitting the Incinerator's two phases (both have separate achievements) all have around 2% completion on Steam or less, and the achievement for no-hitting phase 2 is the single hardest achievement in the game (0.3% completion, at the time of this comment), below even the achievements for no-hitting the game's various super-duper-bosses. And what do you get for beating the Incinerator? A few extra lines of dialogue and skipping two normally-required, relatively easy early-game battles. Without question, the Incinerator is the shining picture of a boss you aren't supposed to beat, but can regardless. Cosmically hard, way harder and more time-consuming than the alternative, and incredibly showy.

[@obieldenook1142]

I just love the parody of unwinnable fights. Wilhelm from Borderlands 2 (impossible to win making you think RAID BOSS but easily won) and the end of the Big Game Hunt DLC where the final boss there just falls down and is beaten then put up as a stuffed creature in Tales from the Borderlands. lol Love the videos, guys. :D

[@RorschachRaccoon]

Callis Dren from Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning would make for a good addition to the list. Lorewise, he's supposed to be invulnerable until you reach a certain point in the game. In the actual game however, he's not so much invulnerable as he is just selective as to when he takes damage and that damage being reduced to chip. If you stock up on many, many, many potions or play Warrior/Mage class that allows you to recycle Health and Mana as you fight, you can defeat him. Doing so technically breaks the game unless you do it during the mission when you're supposed to fight him but go around the characters you're supposed to speak to when you do. While at this point it become unnecessary to challenge him this way, you can at least hold your head high going into the final area of the game knowing you've defeated the hardest enemy the game has to offer.

[@SharmClucas]

The one I'll always remember is beating Gades in Lufia II. It took so much grinding, but I got a cool sword out of it.

[@dakivii5076]

I needed 18 years to defeat him... But I also needed these 18 years to beat the game at all because of this stupid plant/time-reset puzzle in dragon mountain -.-

[@Axll26]

The reward was cool but it becomes a bit lackluster when you discover that you can get many copies of it ( and more powerful weapons than it) if RNGesus blesses your Ancient Cave runs

[@dakivii5076]

@@Axll26 I beat the ancient cave twice and failed like 100 times and never got Gades blade. So if somebody wants it I would recommend defeating him

[@amorasilverspark]

The first Lavos fight you can win without new game plus. You first have to do Fiona's sidequest, make sure you use every magic tab you find on Robo, and have every skill/tech unlocked.

[@DeltaDaspleto]

Ethelwill in Rune Factory 4 is also a fight like this. Phase 1 expects you to lose but can be cheesed - you even get different dialog if you do.

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"Tales os Symphonia: Dawn of the New World" had 2 technically unwinnable boss fights. 1st, Near the beginning, seeming against the protagonist of the first game, and and the 2nd a bit late against the game's ambiguous antagonist Richter. Even if you win this first one, nothing changes, not even the cutscenes. The second on does have some different dialogue and some slight cutscene differences, but the outcome is ultimately the same.