7 Wonders Comparison - with Zee Garcia

Zee takes a look at the new 7 Wonders (Second Edition) side-by-side with a previous version of the game.
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[@MrJdecoy]

*Looks in the new rulebook for the 2 player variant* 2 Player Variant: Buy 7 Wonders Duel

[@zxKAOS1]

FWIW, the designer it should be easy to house rule in with a few "spare parts".

[@n8hynes]

I'll probably be picking up the new version at some point. Thanks for this vid! One thing I noticed you didn't mention was the fact that the new version has colorblind symbols! On the banner next to the names of all the cards there's a small symbol indicating the color of the card. Helpful small detail that makes a big accessibility difference. :)

[@xForceCh0keYou]

I will be buying the new version and expansions, mostly because I am such a fan of the Symbol upgrades from 7 Wonders Duel, and have wanted them to make the switch to them in original 7 Wonders for a long time

[@SuperDanielHUN]

I love the new card design, including the shiny back side. And on the cost or effect changes, I wanna believe that they did it to balance cards a bit better, maybe with all the expansions in mind and their changes. I'm sure they have an internal memo somewhere that explains why these changes were made...

[@cyberdan42]

Super useful video, gives me a real idea of where I stand and what I want to do going forward, thank you folks.

[@john-paullaflamme1825]

I like the metallic on the new cards. Not gaudy at all IMO

[@Steve-L]

I agree with you, and thus disagree with Zee.

[@matthewkolell5888]

I like the look as well!

[@alexcannobbio710]

Its one of the main reasons i like the new edition

[@TheGiraffehead]

I couldn't agree with Zee more on this one. It is likely the deciding factor for why I won't be getting the new version. I find it gaudy and doesn't align with the rest of the game.

[@Fissi0nChips]

@@TheGiraffehead Seriously, the back of the cards is the only thing stopping you from getting the, clearly superior, new version? That's pretty shallow. It's not like there is glitter all over them. That would be gaudy.

[@idamarialaine2517]

I love 7 wonders and I see this as a great reason to jump on. Since two of my friends has the original I haven't had a good enough reason to get one for my self, now I think I will! I love the new backs btw.

[@PGCole]

I love the back of the cards. Now, with this new version and all the little upgrades it's finally time to add this game to my collection

[@augustjologs1]

I'm definitely getting the new version as the rebalancing of wonders is a major plus for me. I won't get any expansions because I enjoy the base game immensely.

[@Bleuchz]

Haven't bought 7 Wonders yet as 2 of my friends who I game with frequently own it. This is enough of a nudge to get me to purchase a copy I think :)

[@winonaks]

The new cards look really clean and more modern looking for sure. Love the little UI updates.

[@ericsmith7887]

I am really liking the way that the art is showcased on the cards and player boards. I am still not sure about getting the new version, but it is definitely on my radar, especially when new expansions come out...

[@RulebooksForYou]

They went that direction with those backs because they are simply stunning!

[@garys4067]

7 Wonders is one of my favorite games, but I only have the base game. I'm definitely going to buy the new version of the base game, and the new version of Leaders, Cities and Armada. Leaders and Cities will have their Anniversary Packs included in them, which will be great. Thanks for the comparison video!

[@SuperboyReborn]

I like the new look! I was waiting to see if I should pick it up, definitely going to now

[@Iamwrongbut]

I love the new cards! Especially the backs! No game I have has cards like that which makes me want to buy this one.

[@pete999tete]

Thanks for the video. They have the new version up on BGA now. A lot of the weaker monuments have been balanced out via small changes. They have removed the Stage 1 requirements where you were given one of the starting resources right on the card (meaning you only needed 1 wood, or 1 stone, or 1 of whatever it was) to complete stage 1. That makes a lot of sense to me, it made certain cards much easier to dive right into stage 2. And although I have yet to see the new backs in person, the bronze, silver, and gold look great from here. This game is all about building monuments to the Gods, it makes sense to have "gaudy" cards.

[@silverfang6668]

Got all the expansions, promos, metal coins, and nice wooden insert that holds everything. Have no desire to start over again.

[@GeneraluStelaru]

It's a decent update. I really like that they switched card names with symbols for the prerequisites. However, I don't see that as a good reason to upgrade.

[@Zaloomination]

I just ordered the Duel base, and I think I will buy this version eventually also. Since I haven't owned the game previously I have no attachment to the original card back design as I may if I had owned it. and I think they look nice in keeping with the theme of the game and nice to look at. I also LOVE the large boards with night and day designs. Simply stunning

[@steveamamoto6929]

Thanks, Zee! Like many others I own base and the expansions. When I do get the game to the table I play with Leaders and sometimes Cities, but can't get my groups to play Babel or Armada. I just don't play enough to justify buying the new version and 2 expansions and we're not serious enough players to care about the card tweaks that balance the game.

[@MrOzGunner]

Thanks for the video Zee. Nice to see the comparison. I have the base game and most of the expansions, so I think I will stick with my original version, but I like that it makes the game a bit more accessible for new players.

[@CosmicTavern]

I love the art filling up the full card. Overall I like the changes so I may upgrade.

[@gordsmith3340]

I got my son into Duel, and am Looking forward to getting the new version of the full game.

[@stefangustavsson9]

Hi, and thank you for this comparison. I do have the old version, but now I bought the new version, used copy, manly becourse of the expansions. I could not find the old version expansions, and I wanted to try the Armada with the ships. Now I can see more of the changes made with the new expansion, and I like most part of these changes you show here.

[@Metroidam11]

Wow those card backs are freaking epic! Never owned the original but this reprint has me tempted!

[@rbniven]

I’ll be sticking to the original. I could be talked into some sort of big box collection for storing all my expansions though. I like some aspects of the new look but prefer a lot of the aspects of the old look. My copy will be fine. Thanks for the info though!

[@HowitzerBug]

Personally I love the new look, including the card backs. I don't own the game as we always play my friend's copy, however if I were to get one it would be this new version for sure!

[@elitewarrior84]

Its more than just a cosmetic change..there are balance changes.. wonder if the original is more fun

[@TheShrunkenNed]

I wonder how the metallic card edges hold up after the lots of shuffling and play?

[@jonbeckettschreiber52]

7 Wonders is one of my favorite games for many reasons. I do not know if I'll upgrade my copy (I only have Leaders and Babel expansions) because I cannot remember the last time my copy hit the table. Even if I do upgrade, I won't get rid of the original - too many memories for that to happen. Great video and much appreciated!

[@TheLimestoneCowboy]

lol I didn’t mind the foil backs until you mentioned it 😂

[@gavinkinsley6851]

Curious how the storage is on the inside of the box? Is it pretty similar to old 7 wonders?

[@VoFume]

Fan of the game too. Might get this because it looks nicer imo (though I have ALL the expansions for the 1st gen). On a more important note, would anyone know whether the 2nd gen card sizes have changed? Just thinking in terms of sleeve protection for these!

[@hyeongjoonkim]

I will probably buy the new edition because my base game is well-worn and I haven't purchased the expansions; I am also very likely to buy this for friends and family just getting into the hobby.

[@Aaron.Rants.Reviews]

As soon as I saw this I went and picked up the original version of the Cities expansion (already had Leaders) in anticipation of it going out of print and up in price.

[@Keindzjim]

I like comparison videos ;) Where can I find more of these?

[@fernandoberdichevsky5617]

I played this game a lot for about three years. Got leaders and cities expansion. After a while it just stood there not getting played so I got rid of it. Watching this video makes me think about jumping in that train again 🤣

[@eprasuhn]

I'll be picking up the new version. Are they going to redo all the expansions too? I love the original. It's one of my favorite games.

[@gotbb2076]

Hi, do somebody knows if we can play 2 players with a dummy like in the first edition or did they remove components so that it is impossible to do so

[@bensgoogle]

Awesome breakdown, man.

[@DefiasBrotherhood]

Nice review. Only thing you didn’t answer for me is are the card sizes different now? They appear to be wider than the original. If so then I hope there are card sleeves that work for them.

[@2bearnest]

I just picked up the 2nd edition and it's beautiful

[@haukionkannel]

What size sleeves you need for new version?

[@VexylObby]

Awesome to see this game updated. But as someone who has all of the expansions, etc., it is hard to say if I want to jump into this and hope and wait for all of the expansions to get a similar treatment.

[@elefannes]

Updated expansions will be launched at the start of next year.

[@DaFees]

The Leaders, Cities, and Armada expansions will be getting updates like the base game is getting. As for the anniversary packs, I believe those are being bundled into their respective expansions but do not quote me on that. As for the Wonder Pack, I think some of those wonders are getting baked into other expansions but again don't quote me on that. Finally, with regards to Babel, there is currently no plans to bring this expansion over to the new art style. Part of the argument as to why not is that because the Babel expansion does not add any cards to the age decks that you can technically then play it with the new version no problem. No word on any of the promo stuff as in the promo leader cards, alternate art palace cards, the Catan promo wonder board, or the alternate art wonder pack.

[@Keithustus]

Cole Feeser: most useful comment. Thank you.

[@gelaldo18]

Instant buy for me. Always loved this game, never liked any of the expansions so I don't care about that. Seems like they changed costs and effects, I really hope now is more balanced. Can't wait to add it to my collection!!!

[@JayBee10]

Are the new cards sturdier / higher quality than the originals? Do they have linen finish?

[@boristuga]

Bought 7 Wonders a while back, punched it but haven't played it yet. The day after my friend told me a new print was coming out which made me feel a bit stupid for not checking first. So, I feel that I have to stick to my original version after all.

[@user-mb5hn3ck1j]

The graphic design improvements are huge, also it helps to arrange the cards in straight columns, you don't need a gigantic table to play this game now.

[@thefrenchican23]

For those of us that love to sleeve, it looks like the cards are now sized like normal 3.5 x 2.5 inches? It looks like, but couldn't tell.

[@pott0144]

Will these changes filter through to the phone app?

[@jaypob]

I only have the base game and was going to stick with it thinking the expansions would go on sale/clearance sometime... but now I think I'll upgrade to future proof as my bet is they invest in the IP with a lot of new content.

[@MountainMage]

I've played a ton of 7 Wonders with my friend who owns it over the years, and I never pulled the trigger on my own copy because it felt like "his game". But I will definitely be buying the new edition base game+expansions. I've waited long enough. :P

[@Torra0909]

Do you know the release date for second edition expansions? Cities, armada and leaders, are they available?

[@blackjack2150]

The chain building symbols are definitely welcome. I'll probably use them to create some stickers which I will apply to my old copy of the game.

[@beardedchinnfishing6074]

I think I will upgrade i dont have any expansions for my copy

[@christopherdesmond7511]

I’m a relatively new board gamer (only since the end of 2017), and have not purchased 7 Wonders yet (but I do have and really like 7 Wonders Duel). My timing to get this new version is perfect. I like what I see in the changes, and have pre-ordered this new version with the expansions that are also coming. I get why some folks won’t re-purchase. Board games are expensive, and if the prior version works well, why spend the money? My timing on buying a few games that have recently been updated has worked out well thus far. I sin on the side of re-buying things I like when released (comic book collected editions, for example), so it’s nice to not be tempted to spend the money when it really isn’t necessary. 👍

[@Keithustus]

(1) because it’s prettier, (2) because cleaner and more concise rules are never a turnoff, (3) because balance tweaks based on years and thousands of plays and discussions are never a turnoff.

[@TheLimestoneCowboy]

I’ll probably end up buying this since I don’t own a physical copy. Looks flatter and classier overall. How many more components would they need in order to provide “Duel” in-box?

[@AdamTheFanatic]

Duel plays completely differetly from the original, the only components you'd be able to use between the two are the coins.

[@jellevancamp7190]

Even bigger player boards? Why? Playing this with a handful of people, all putting 15+ cards on the table, makes this game a real table hugger already.

[@ccggenius]

Given that you don't have to angle stack the cards, I think there's a net loss in footprint.

[@ruselticks]

Cards will take less space. When you play with the expansions, more space on the board to put cash and tokens.

[@cedardmd]

Our first edition that we enjoyed so much got wet and torned so we are looking for a replacement. Glad to see that there has been a newer edition that we can consider as a replacement. The newer edition is tempting because it's "new" and balanced, and only makes sense to buy a newer version but also will greatly miss the older edition that drew us to love this game!

[@danl1209]

Great review, very thankful to have watched this since I was debating getting the new one even though I already have the entire set. Huge fan of the game though. My bestfriend and I play it nearly daily for the last year. Its a shame they took out the 2 player expert variant rules. We actually enjoyed it when taking breaks from Duels. Doesn't really make sense to limit the game unnecessarily... makes me thankful I have the V1 though, thats for sure. We are hoping one day they introduce some sort of pirate expansion that builds on the already existing armada expansion. May email our ideas to them 🙂🙂🙂 also if you want better coins, they sell actual metallic ones on their site. Really makes a difference

[@zxKAOS1]

8:51 I don't mind the shiny backs. So long as the price isn't upped to "compensate" for that.

[@elvisl5409]

Enjoy the old game, do not see a reason to “upgrade.” Never had an issue w balance in the game before. Thx for the info Zee!

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Actually some of those balance changes are pretty nice. The Arena I felt was too good before and some of the wonders were not as powerful as others, Babylon included.

[@elgrun2913]

@@TheBrokenMeeple And houesrules were discovered. 😛

[@WhiteFlowerrr]

Are the card sizes in both versions the same? I want to know if the card sleeves for the old version will fit the new ones…

[@gatobola3963]

Are the cards bigger? What does the new power do?

[@JoostN86]

I love the new backs. Why didn't you show the insert? Is it still the same?

[@Thiagovnd]

I love the metallic look at the back of the cards. Wish they added metal coins.

[@Archytaz]

I have everything from the original version (including al promo's and extra's) so no wont change to the new version. We enjoyed how it has always been. I do hope, if there is gonna be an expansion, that they think of the people who have supported them in the past (aka bought the original version), and release it in the old look as well. If they would make an upgrade kit with the bigger player boards in old style, replacement cards for what has changed and the new rules, I think I would buy that.

[@FelipeRodrigues-vj1zb]

The first one is in my top 3. I'd like to buy this new one but games are so expensive right now in my country that I'll just have to ignore it for now (it launches friday at double the cost of the original) and maybe pick up a copy in a couple of years after the expansions come.

[@maleficmax]

I was hoping new edition would have one-for-all insert. Is there any information about it? Answering the question: no, I will stick with my current edition.

[@MathieuVIII]

I wouldn’t buy the new version because I have everything for the old one, but if there are new expansions, I’m gonna be in a pickle...

[@cursivecurses]

@@PandaOfElastic Those are replacement editions of the old ones, not brand new expansions.

[@PandaOfElastic]

@@cursivecurses Oh, I completely misread what he said. Forget my comment!

[@GayestWinston]

One would think they are done with new expansions since they did this, but if they make a new expansion i am very certain that they will make to both the original and the revised one.

[@dall1786]

Even if they put out new expansions to the game in this new format it's not a big deal. there's plenty of game just in the original base box and the old expansions add nearly infinte replay anyway. For me it looks nice but i'll keep my old version for sure.

[@Bart_Happel]

I think they made some changes to make it harder to counterfeit. Like the metalic accents on the back of cards and on top of the box.

[@nikosfants4514]

Can i ask you could i play this expansion with the first 7 wonders or only with the second edition? Thank you 🙏

[@Drashia08]

I'm disappointed the expansions weren't just included or I would have changed it most likely.

[@haukionkannel]

Drashia that would have been one expensive box! So Many expansions. Sooner or later we see new expansions to this with big cards.

[@odditie]

This is a pretty mainstream game, that wouldn’t be practical for people who are new to the hobby. I remember a couple years ago 7 Wonders was a game I considered getting but I knew basically nothing about modern boardgames at the time. If it had all the expansions it would have been very difficult for me to understand and play.

[@wouldplayagain8316]

I'm kind of thinking about upgrading. I love 7 Wonders but have never bought any of the expansions. I've played with Leaders on someone else's copy once, and over the Pandemic played the Tabletop Simulator version with both Leaders and Cities and I liked the experience so much that I feel like it'd be tough to go back to just the base game. So I'm thinking that it might make sense to upgrade my base copy before starting to add onto it. And I do like the idea of stacking/splaying resources to the left of the board and just putting new cards on top of the old ones. It was always mildly annoying to try to slide cards under a diagonally splayed stack that juts out of your board at a weird angle. Not THAT annoying, but it'd be nice to not mess with it.

[@uplift-yourdailypickup6424]

Do you think you guys will do a play through of the new version and let us know of the game feels different with the different card costs? I’m curious if something that small can make a big difference. This version looks awesome! I diddo what people are saying about the military tokens looking a bit nazi 😬.... some people might be too off put by that. The changes as a whole look great. I don’t currently own this but this is making me think about picking it up!

[@adstrikemedia8449]

I already have the old base game but no expensions. Should I pick up old edition expansions or buy the new edition and throw away by old edition base game?

[@drxsmetalhippie]

Are the cards the same size as the original? I may upgrade because I like the new art, but I don't want to have to buy all new sleeves.

[@danielengel4593]

One of the reasons I will stick with my old copy and expansions.

[@dhowes]

I like the look, but not enough to purchase a new one until mine wears out.

[@Iamwrongbut]

Where can one buy this? I can’t find it anywhere online!?

[@ruselticks]

It's not out yet, September.

[@xCriticalStrikex]

Own everything for the 1st ed. Would trade it up in a heartbeat for this gorgeous new one but I'm not going to own both.

[@mikaelhansson9260]

You said the money was the same, but same as which version? I think there was one version with wooden coins and one with cardboard coins.

[@lkjkhfggd]

Do one of these for the new version of Sidereal Confluence!

[@JosephFlemming]

I like the metallic cards. Won’t upgrade though again because I have most expansions.

[@darinlagarry3091]

I will definitely upgrade w/Leaders

[@jimbosphorus]

Will my old sleeves fit?

[@davidpurkiss4681]

I've got the game and all the expansions, like the 7 Wonders Duel style look of this with chaining icons, although I don't need to upgrade as I'd need to get all the expansions again, which isn't worth it for me. I'm one of very few people who like the 2 player variant, as I play others copies when I go out, so that's a negative for me. Is a nice product for people new to 7 Wonders though.

[@JonathanNation]

at this point the only way I could see buying it again is if there was a big box of all of it ... since I only have the base and that could make since to get it all. My expectation is that we will pick up expansions for the old version.

[@danielengel4593]

If they are available for a reasonable prize.

[@daem0nfaust]

Definitely a buy for me

[@ashrael37]

Good video. I do love the board art and card layout upgrades, but I won't be upgrading. The larger board seems unnecessary, and I don't think that I would like the metallic backs.

[@nickhayes1626]

I love 7 Wonders but don’t own the game. Played a lot on the app version. I may pick this one up, I like the card format changes and the gilded backs don’t really bother me. I was hoping for a bit of artwork updates as my wife hated the bathhouse cards and artwork.

[@harleygrattan2851]

Hey Zee, I’m a fan of the new 7W. It looks fantastic. I’ll only buy the new 7W if my copy gets damaged or lost.

[@hotice88uk]

I sold the old version back in 2014 after only a few plays as everyone I knew already owned a copy. I've since moved cities and become "the one with all the games", so might have to pick this new edition up! I certainly like the cleaner aesthetic.

[@kencolborn1057]

I see no reason to buy the new version. My copy works just as well. My question, though: Will there be any new expansion coming out and will they make a version of them compatible with our original copies of the game?

[@ferguscowie]

are the new cards the exact same size as the original version? Or are they slightly bigger? They appear a fraction wider possibly in your video. Just wondering if current card sleeves would still fit the 2nd edition cards?

[@crivgil]

What about coins? Where are they?

[@ZebraCatfish73]

The backs of the cards look way better. The copper, silver & gold is so cool looking. Not sure why he doesn't like that look. Guess it's a personal thing.

[@andre.drezus]

Call me corny but I fell much more in love with 7W because of the minimalist metallic backs. So much so that I wish Duel had a reprint with the same redesigns too

[@GameWeekendChalbie]

I think this looks really nice. I even like the foil backs to the cards. 7 Wonders is one of my favorite games, but I’m not sure I’m going to buy this edition. It’s just hard to justify paying for a game I already own.

[@Strandvideo]

I love love love the 2 player variant in original base game of 7 Wonders! Such a shame that they removed it. I really enjoy the strategic options afforded to you in the 2 player variant. You can manipulate the non-player mat to your benefit (ex. getting coins) while also hurting your opponent (ex. building up non-player's military). I'm SO glad I have the old version! Also... I think Repos should have kept the awards on the front of the box - one of the most awarded board games ever.

[@Calistake047]

Wait, where are the guild cards? Wanna see those so bad!

[@haukionkannel]

Calistake047 expansions!