PMDG 737-700 for MSFS - Tutorial: Clircling Approach

[@stephanweber1168]

Thanks for the video. Circling approaches are always very interesting. I like to fly the LDA X Rwy 8 (or Rwy 26) approach to Juneau, Alaska. I can recommend the Milk Run from Alaska Airlines anyway, since they fly to many of the small airports with B737 and a lot of hand flying and low altitudes. That is always very challenging. Maybe that would be something for a stream too.

[@WarHawkAU24]

Very nice video. Certainly a different procedure than done in a prop. Good to see!

[@triforcegamerz7150]

Thank you very much mr. Boeing driver for this tutorial. I was trying to buy you a cup of coffee but I had difficulties doing that via ApplePay. Not sure why. I owe you one. Sure will try another time😉 All the best Cheers Mark

[@A330Driver]

Thank you Mark and no worries, next time then!

[@mythicalireland]

Very smooth landing! Well done captain.

[@conglomerate8245]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us

[@DeltaPapa04]

Been waiting for this one! Thanks for the tutorial 👨🏻‍✈️

[@msbilbrough]

Great video, thanks for creating and sharing.

[@alexanderlayouni7301]

One of the best video ever seen ! very instructive and helpfull ! cheers and thanks a lot !

[@A330Driver]

Wow, thanks!

[@fsturtle7525]

Nice....without the predictive path in airbus, very challenging to perform circle to land.

[@A330Driver]

It definitely becomes more challenging! There are rules of thumb though which one can use.

[@roudylex]

beautiful landing

[@kevinreed3236]

That was some sweet flying.

[@VilasisTR]

Thanks for all the information this is easily the best channel! Also why do we need to recycle FD and for what else we need to recycle it?

[@A330Driver]

When the FD's no longer give you usable information you want to get rid of them. You could also just turn them off, but if you did so you would loose them after a go around. To avoid that we recycle them.

[@VilasisTR]

@@A330Driver Got it. Thanks a lot 🙂

[@TheGarageBandSyndicate]

I've been looking for the approaches I see going into KCVG and none of the charts represent what I see in the real world... I think this is going to be the thing I've been looking for

[@Jer29]

Thanks for this! I was trying a circling approach to runway 26 in the 737-700 yesterday at PAJN using the LDA X RWY 8 instrument approach. It is a tough one because the instrument approach is offset. Winds often come from the west here, so it is fairly common. If possible, I'd love if you could take a look at this chart for me. It says circling minimums for cat c aircraft is 3340 MSL (3315 AGL) with a max speed of 140. Also no circling north of the runway. I found myself WAY too high to properly perform the circling approach. I also found the circuit way too tight with the terrain around and felt it would be nearly impossible to do. Any hints or suggestions on things I am missing? I am new to circling approaches.

[@stephanweber1168]

I know what you mean. I also fly this approach often but also have trouble circling to Rwy 26. I have seen videos here on YT where they are flying south parallel to Rwy 08 and then circling to Rwy 26. It looks so easy but sure requires a lot of training.

[@A330Driver]

Looks like an interesting approach indeed. Generally you'd need to fly 99 seconds downwind in order to be on profile at this circling height. Looks like there might be terrain close by though. I have not actually tried this approach yet, but the speed restriction of 140kt might come just from this terrain issue. How close do you get to the terrain when you fly the downwind with 140kt for 99 seconds?

[@Jer29]

@@A330Driver in fact, I had 99 seconds planned for the downwind but got much too afraid with the gwps warnings blaring ha! I got scared, cancelled the circle, made an evasive manouvre and landed, likely illegally, with a 10 knot tailwind on 08. I did see a video of a 737 from the cockpit circling on the same approach, but they were way below circling minimums and were very tight. Perhaps they had special authorization. I'm just curious because I was way too close to terrain after about 40 seconds of downwind time so the approach, to me, seems impossible. Thanks for taking time to respond.

[@dominicilinski9296]

Such a nice Video!! I love your explanations👍🏼👍🏼 But I have one question: In which situations the circling approach is being used?

[@A330Driver]

When there is no instrument approach available into the landing direction.

[@Ronald9540]

Thanks for the explanation! Something I’ve never understood, why would you fly a circling approach? Funchal has various approaches into 28, so why not go for one of those?

[@Fcreceptor]

Usually for high tailwind component, temporary obstacles, or other undesirable factors that apply to the approach plate for the straight in approach. Circle to land approaches are typically not used by airlines in the US and I believe some of them don’t allow them. That’s not to say you won’t fly a downwind and base in VFR conditions with vectors however. They carry a risk that isn’t necessary nowadays with modern navigation and better published approaches. That Learjet at Gillespie airfield a while back is just one example of a circle to land resulting in a crash that was totally avoidable.

[@A330Driver]

The main reason for circlin approaches is because the terrain or other factors (other would usually be mainly political factors) does not allow any instrument approach on such runway. Madeira is something special again as it's not a circling but a visual approach to runway 05. An example of an airport where terrain prohibits any instrument approaches in one landing direction is Comiso, LICB. Due to high terrain runway 23 does not have any instrument approaches and a circling approach must be carried out.

[@IIBL4D3II]

Mainly the difference between a visual approach and a circling approach is that the last one is made ad the end of an instrument approach whereas a visual approach would actually substitute it. a circling is done maintaining visual sight of the runway wherever a sraight in approach in not possible due to osbacles, absence of nav aids and other factors. :)

[@chrisloach9658]

Hi there. Thanks for all your content! Perhaps I'm wrong, but as I understand it, a circle to land can technically include landing on a runway other than the opposite of the approach runway. Is that something you ever do?

[@SimpleTakeoffs]

Thank you Emmanuel! Wondering, would we also add half the headwind component too, since we’d have a slower ground speed in that case and wouldn’t want to turn base early?

[@A330Driver]

Yes - however it is very unlikely to have headwind here since the wind at circling altitudes is *usually* similar to the ground level and if you had a headwind on downwind that'd mean tailwind on landing which would make the circling approach itself rather unlikely to be done in first place. However for the unlikely case that it does happen, yes, you need to add half the headwind.

[@SimpleTakeoffs]

@@A330Driver Thanks Cpt!

[@andershogqvist]

Excellent! Any particular reason for using CMD 2 instead of 1?

[@A330Driver]

Accidentally clicking the wrong button doesn't count I assume?

[@andershogqvist]

@@A330Driver I figured it might have been just that but since there are so many details and SOP specific quirks so I had to ask 🙂

[@richardchafey6048]

Why are the FDs recycled? Thanks for this very informative video.

[@A330Driver]

When the FD's no longer give you usable information you want to get rid of them. You could also just turn them off, but if you did so you would loose them after a go around. To avoid that we recycle them.

[@NordicAviationNO]

Do you plan on doing a quick and dirty emergency descent in your future videos?

[@A330Driver]

There really is no quick and dirty emergency descent. It's either done correctly or not at all.

[@96cato1]

Hello Emmanuel, I've been trying several times the circle to land in Ancona LIPY, but i'm always high on final. Is there something to consider during the procedure to prevent this to happen?

[@lyoniddas]

At 15:28 why are u starting the timing at 21 seconds minus half of tail win instead of 20 seconds minus half of the tail wind? What changed it to 21 seconds?

[@jincyayrattu6606]

TNX CAPT❤

[@StarflightVirtual]

Hello, thanks for the nice Video, trying to reproduce 🙂 But 2 Questions: 1. i dont get where the 4.2 miles from the Thr comes from ( 1:11 in the Video ) ... i see the Obastacle clearence of 1400 , but where again can i see the 4.2 NM ?? ( sorry ) 1. how have you entered the RW28 FIX in the Fix Page ? I tried this in Prosim, but after entering RW28 in the Fix Page, the Point appears in the middle of the RWY and not at the end ( where i expect it ) Thanks Matthias

[@A330Driver]

Hi Matthias, 1) It's a regulatory requirement, you won't find it in the chart but you'd have to check the AIP. 2) That's a bug in the ProSim then, if you enter RW28 it should mark the threshold of that runway, not the middle, the airport or anything else.

[@StarflightVirtual]

Hello, Thanks a lot, will tell that to Prosim, lets see what excuse they answers 🙂 But whyt i wonder a bit is this: Lets say you fly from A to B. A has a Runway 10/28, but B has also a Runway 10/28 🙂 I know, the chance is very low, but what if i enter RW28 in the Fix Page. How can the FMC know which one i mean ??? 🙂 The RWY28 from the Departure or from the Destination ? 🙂 Matthias

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Circling approaches. Guarunteed to make your head hurt.

[@aarndub0760]

What is the circle to land option called in the fmc or is there one like for example you have a ils28 approach or a vor28 is there one for circling to land

[@Vejiita45]

How does it look in terms of ATC? If we request circle to land approach, do they clear us for example with RNP10 approach with circle to land to 28?

[@A330Driver]

Yep, they do.

[@person5922]

How’d you figure to fly out for 18 seconds based on 4kt tailwind?

[@Thomas-fx6nb]

Because it's 20 seconds minus half of the tailwind, so 20 - 2 = 18 seconds

[@person5922]

@@Thomas-fx6nbI heard it now that I rewatched it. Thank you!!

[@helicopterovirtual-msfs6254]

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