Pilots Can't Land on Short Runway

This is what happens if you land on too short of a runway.
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[@skullcrusher3511]

Hi 74gear I know you are probably not going to see this comment but I just wanted to let you know that your videos inspired me to become a pilot myself it sort of opened my eyes into the world of aviation and for that I would like to say a big thanks and I hope you continue making amazing informative videos, much love thank you once again.

[@jmax8692]

Same, 30 hours in many more to go thank you so much Kelsey

[@jillcrowe2626]

I'm so happy for both of you. That's the beauty of KZbin. Good people can learn that the career that they didn't even know that they would love is out there.

[@suegardner]

Fantastic! Congratulations. Hope he reads your comment ❤

[@ignoto2010]

Congrats to both of you 🎉 I haven't because I'm a software architect and that's what I know I'm good at (plus nobody dies when a build tragically fails 😂) BUT, thanks to Kelsey I became an aviation enthusiast and I bought a flying simulator to learn more according to Tik Tok with that experience I can now pilot a passenger flight without any need for further training... lol

[@beverlyweber4122]

Congratulations!! Best of luck to you!

[@Gebenki]

Aircraft Mechanic here - Technically, it's not the tires that melt when the brakes overheat, it's the fuse plugs. It's basically a bolt that's hollow and filled with an alloy that melts at a certain temperature. This is so that the tires (relatively) harmlessly deflate, instead of exploding.

[@aggonzalezdc]

He specifically mentions the fuse plugs melting and not bursting the tires.

[@SailingPacificNW]

He literally says that. Exactly word for word. Hopefully as you do your tasks every day you pay attention to all the details that the driver has given you.

[@julie-annd1522]

My Dad, who I had lived with and cared for, for 14 years, passed away a few weeks ago. In his last years, a bevy of KZbin creators gave him a larger view to the outside world, showing lives akin to his own, and also lives he could have led, but chose other paths. He saw images of his homeland, rode along with pilots, narrowboat, bus, train and truck drivers, watched as an old ship was painstakingly brought back to life, laughed as the King's Guard horses got narky. Dad would often fall asleep watching the content you all created, listening to the voices of people who had become like friends. In his final days, when he was restless and unable to sleep, or was afraid to sleep, he asked for you all. Dad had family with him at all times, but he also found comfort in hearing the activites and voices of the people who had kept him company throughout the years, he shared with us your stories, and was able to rest. I hope knowing that you had a positive impact on someone's life, in a far away place, uplifts you. Thank you 🙏

[@user-qm9vi4vr9t]

I’m 63 now but at 18 fresh out of high school I joined the Air Force. One of the things that was stressed was professionalism. At the time I really didn’t understand; but now I do understand. This here was a clear case of what professionalism looks like. From the crew to atc they made it look easy. Once again thanks for the great break down.

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

And checklists (USAF officer here. Went through flight school but medically disqualified). Checklists are meant to minimize the risk of missing a critical step. I loved when pilot said "re-run the numbers." He wasn't guessing, he was calculating to confirm his needs. That is a great air crew member.

[@S.Clause]

Yes

[@nikischneiter1384]

Thank you for your service. ❤

[@jamiesuejeffery]

In my neighborhood, like most in the U.S., there is a firehouse just down the street. We drive by it every time we leave the house. People sometimes misunderstand when I say this, but it makes me so happy to see the fire crew with one of the trucks pulled out and they are washing it. That is really, really good news. A) They don't have anything better to do than wash the truck. B) They are ready to roll just in case they are needed. I was on a flight once that had some type of emergency on takeoff. (It was a wide body of some sort. I can't remember the type.) All I know is that there was a loud bang and then pretty good vibrations. We turned around almost immediately and landed safely with a whole bunch of emergency vehicles lining the both sides of the runway. Luckily, they were not needed, and we taxied back to the gate. And that is why we pay firefighters to wash their trucks...so they will be there just in case.

[@beverlyweber4122]

Solid! Yes, we WANT firefighters to be a bit bored, not busy.

[@Zyo117]

I take the same attitude towards most public service. We want them to be ready to do the best they can, not overworked, underpaid, and demoralized.

[@huskyhooligans999]

@@beverlyweber4122Couldn’t agree more, I’m a Firefighter and wouldn’t be more happy if I never attended another incident again, particularly house fires or road traffic collisions.

[@argentum530]

Washing the Engines/Truck (different apparatus) has a side benefit. It allows us to spot any potential issues we might encounter on a response. Loose equipment, missing equipment, indications of a fluid/oil leak. A new drip, a bit of rust or Dave's missing sunglasses wedged in next to the 6" hydrant connection hose... Oh yeah, not just wash but shammy dry too.

[@Zyo117]

@@argentum530 also helps to prevent corrosion in Salty environments like my locale.

[@michaelbrown5551]

About 11 years ago I retired from a major international airport, after about 28 years in airport operations and management. I was also a volunteer firefighter at the time. After conducting my last shift briefing, the fire Captain offered to let me take one of their new multimillion ARFF rigs out for a spin (with him onboard, of course). We drove on the airfield to the other side of the airport and he let me use the water cannon on the training aircraft. Since I was still on duty, I was authorized to drive on the AOA. Being an Airport Duty Manager, private pilot and firefighter it was the trifecta of bucket items for my last day. My proudest moment was being able (on my first try) to back that behemoth into proper alignment to go back into the bay (after they refilled it). I’ll never forget that gift! I love the depth of detail in your videos… Thank You!

[@M_SC]

In comedians in cars getting coffee Jerry Seinfeld gets to drive a large tour bus or truck or something and he backs it into a parking space with 2 other trucks on either side the first time and he’s so proud, I bet it was like that

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Sounds like an awesome last day! I'm so glad you really enjoyed it!

[@UCQmxWH9e2sMpQMAFOiKdojw]

24:37 “little boy play with a million dollar truck” had to laugh at that since you fly a plane that was hundreds of millions

[@Damien.D]

Yeah but Kelsey's dream was to be a fireman, not a pilot. He can't stop mentioning these fire trucks with super-cool water canons. I hope he'll be allowed to spay his own plane when he'll retire.

[@tigerman1978]

I have been allowed to play with said airport firetruck (on two occasions) and they really are cool toys (and spray a LOT of water real fast). One thing is the videogame like cannon you control with a joystick, but another very handy feature is the ability to spray water underneath the truck as well, enabling you to move into areas that have (minor) fires going on if need be.

[@zeff1015]

The water flow issue is likely the main reason they don't want to do it. They typically flow 400-800 gallons per minute. So there's a lot of laying hose etc that goes along with that.

[@justaskin8523]

@@zeff1015 - Yeah. I don't know how many gallons the airport fire trucks can carry, but my local truck carries only 700-800 gallons. That's about a minute of flow to empty. If you have more than a couple of garbage cans to extinguish, then you have to be hooked up to city water.

[@andrewjames1366]

Once I got to drive a P-23 ARFF at the manufacturer’s testing facility. We hit a two-foot wall at 35 MPH and didn’t feel a thing. The truck flew over rough terrain like a boat over smooth water. That was some impressive engineering. Oh, and they can empty their tanks in about 45 seconds. That’s a lot of foam in a very short time.

[@TheOnceMoreGaming]

It's nice to see pilots and atc working together and nobody is at fault for anything ^_^

[@georgesheffield1580]

The landing plates make it look like the flight plans and runway lengths are not coordinated in their design with that tight turn in there. Heavys don't need to do acrobatics in landing

[@Iago1604]

Big props to your graphics person, they really went above and beyond piecing together the sim footage. We'll done you!

[@chrismc3744]

My wife is not an internet nerd like me, but she watched this video and said, "THAT! That is the kind of pilot that I want (referring to you)." For context, we both used to be consultants (in different fields and at different times), but we've spent a TON of time flying around the world. Confidence and competence is what you want: Be it a plumber, pilot, or even someone packing your groceries, and you, sir, have that in spades. Been watching your content for years. Keep 'em coming. :)

[@MADHIKER777]

I like your graphics! Nice addition to the channel.

[@alanmiller9681]

Your wife wants the best and most competent pilot? Doesn’t that contradict the United CEO’s DEI policy?

[@Maxid1]

That's why Kelsey gets all the chicks. Keep an eye on your wife....

[@icewipe]

I flew to Cuba one time. The pilot warned us the flight would be turbulent quite a bit. But he ended with saying, "you're lucky that I'm at the controls. You're in good hands." His confidence put me at ease.

[@hjr2000]

​@@Maxid1he's married these days

[@carlveilleux5744]

ATPL here. You are very good at explaining how things happen, but also why they happen and how we think and react, as airline pilots. It's really amazing to hear you explain a lot of details we even don't think about, as this is so natural for us ans engraved in our brains and we all think similar as we are all trained to manage situations in a similar way. When you say at some point we need to make a judgment call that can be challenged or judged later if something happens, this is so true. Good job!

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

While manytimes I think over repeated, I think Kelly's videos are invaluable because they're an experienced pilots take and opinions (not a desk jockey guesses) rather than just the NTSBs report.

[@CaptainSeato]

Kelsey breaking character to nerd out on fire truck water cannons is pretty damn wholesome.

[@scodavis]

This video taught me two things. First, I am too stupid to be an airline pilot. Second, I am waaaaaaaaay too stupid to be an air traffic controller. This was amazing. Kelsey, the depth of knowledge you have to do what you do is amazing. Thank you for this amazing video.

[@tinag4262]

I never realized the depth of knowledge pilots possess until I started watching 74 Gear and Mentour Pilot. Such a complex environment they work in! I have learned to admire the amazing mental fortitude of these outstanding individuals.

[@M_SC]

Same. I’m quite smart at lots of stuff but this kind of stuff, no, I am lousy and dumb.

[@mbvoelker8448]

It's not so much raw IQ as their amazing ability to track multiple streams of information and envision the 3-D environment -- projecting that mental picture into the future. It's just stunning how they handle the shifting environment.

[@lydiagalvan7484]

Pilots don’t get paid enough for the complexity of their jobs. Getting to fly must make up for this at least a bit. Regardless, Respect.

[@colmortimer1066]

One thing to add about emergency crews, 95% of the time they go to work and do nothing. If any little thing goes down, it gives them something to do. So for them, it is nothing to gear up and do their hour worth of work for the month. But if something goes wrong at that point, they are ready to start saving lives.

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

And, good practice. No practice could mean critical delays in a real emergency.

[@jfbeam]

They don't just sit around, they train constantly.

[@colmortimer1066]

@@jfbeam The point was a pilot should not be worried about the emergency crews being bothered. Even the days they are training, it is not the kind of things where they are like, "Awe man, we are not going to get our training done because some jet had and engine blow out." Training for them is pretty much doing "nothing" to kill time for when they actually have something to do...at which point it's go time, and they become heroes, if needed. But my comment was all about why pilots should not be worried about getting the emergency crews involved.

[@seanpellegrino2989]

​@colmortimer1066 the firefighters stationed at the airport I worked at would do a practice run to the taxiway or one of the runways every day. Then periodically they'd practice extinguishing a fire on an old piece of an airliner fuselage. They aren't going to be bothered by responding to a potential issue no matter how minor it is, but they're also not your average firefighters who are just hanging around at a firehouse cleaning equipment between calls.

[@jwyzdm]

I worked at a small airport 40 yrs ago with about 15 commercial flights a day. The emergency crew trained a lot. But instead of just sitting around all day, everyone had jobs working throughout the airport from maintenance and janitorial to baggage and car rental.

[@sagittarius_]

Kelsey's channel is the REAL flight channel, bcs it takes you directly into the cockpit and almost makes you feel like one of the crew. I think that is why so many of us like it so much. Besides that Kelsey is an awesome guy of course.❤

[@juliemanarin4127]

He is a great guy...funny too. I'm sure he is a wonderful pilot!

[@jimsteinway695]

There are much better aviation channels, this is like an intro to aviation channel. Pilot debrief. CW lemoine blancolirio are better blood and guts aviation channels. Along with Ward Carroll. Interestingly they are all ex military pilots citationmax and premier 1 driver are private jet pilot channels. Premier 1 is an ex Air Force pilot

[@wildgurgs3614]

He IS cool...when he's well fed XD

[@ninjalectualx]

How do you know he's an awesome guy? Weird parasocial comment

[@DabNaggit]

@@ninjalectualx it's Kelsey on a sock account lol

[@sumikomei]

This is professionalism at its finest. love to see things handled this well by everyone involved

[@mlj9931]

Glider pilot here. The other issue with the higher speed is that turns will have a larger radius for the same angle of bank. So to fly the same turn you would need more bank or you will fly a larger radius and possibly end up high on the approach. This extra bank would make the procedure more difficult and perhaps exceed the limits of what you'd want to do in a 747. It would be interesting to calculate the theoretical difference in bank angle.

[@RobFeldkamp]

How would you calculate that?

[@gryff8400]

​@@RobFeldkampthere's probably a performance table and set of graphs in the handbook, depicting speed, turn radius and bank angle. Probably right next to the graphs telling you "if you're going this fast, you can't bank and turn that hard. Because either stall or things fall off..😮"

[@A321LR]

Most Airlines have a max speed for RF Leg (turn portion) of an RNAV RNP approach. I fly out of JFK and our max speed for the RF Leg (the turn) is 160 kts. These guys were well over that at 190 kts. So yes the turn would have been quite tight at that speed. With the wind direction being straight down Runway 13R at 19kts I would have considered vectors for a visual approach if the weather was clear but Cathy procedures may not allow for Visual Approaches so 04L was the best option if so. Or possibly the ILS 13L with a sidestep to 13R on a 5 mile final. Either way the PIC and crew did a great job not falling into a trap doing something they did not want to do.

[@terrybutler1231]

The only time you don’t want extra fuel is… When you’re on fire😂. That had me laughing out loud.❤

[@ahoannon5711]

Yes. Gotta remember that: don't pack extra fuel when you plan to be on fire. 🤣

[@judebrad]

Me too!

[@CaptainMannyUK]

standard joke for pilots :)

[@pearbussaban-sandidge3912]

Thanks 😂. I laughed at that part too l.

[@philippal8666]

You’re overweight…. And can’t take off…

[@bertblankenstein3738]

Nice to hear the successful outcome of this situation. I like that the pilot had a plan reasoned out and stuck to it. ATC was helpful the entire way. Good job all around.

[@AlexBoots303]

"The only time you don't want extra fuel is when you're on fire" That belongs on a shirt 😂

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

Indeed❤

[@larrythompson8630]

Would bring 20k pound lighter make much difference? If 38800 lbs well over 90 minutes. I assume 10800 lbs @30 minutes? A Quick Look says it’s nearly a million lb plane alone. So 20k lbs likely not enough to matter on braking?

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

@@larrythompson8630 breaking can be complicated at high speed 🤺

[@timsmothers8740]

​@larrythompson8630 Yes, that's like throwing a deck chair off the Titanic !

[@larrythompson8630]

@@pilotnamealreadytaken6035 braking even more. You might break something.

[@scottbush8767]

As a retired member of a volunteer fire dept for 27 years, I got to check out the Oshcosh fire trucks at a Canadian Airforce Base one year. I got to shoot the water cannon on the truck. It was so cool. We got tours of the aircraft that came into the base and where to disconnect batteries etc in case of a crash. The flight path of the planes are over our rural municipality. Thanks for the great video.

[@evanm6739]

The more you learn about flying and aviation the more you understand just how helpful the traffic controllers are

[@angelraburn4401]

Nice exchange and problem resolving. Good to see the positivity and support rather than crap show that so many create. I’m not a part of aviation but i do fly frequently. Love Captain Kelsey Sunday’s. ❤

[@Iago1604]

Mad props to your graphics person, they really went above and beyond piecing together the flight simulator game footage. WELL DONE YOU!

[@Sam590ss]

24:39, when my son was 3, we went to a fire safety expo. They let him run a 2 inch line on a small propane rosebud nozzle. They wouldn't let 31 year old dad play. I feel your pain 😢

[@maryabbott5005]

😁🤣😂🤣🫡💕

[@tetedur377]

When I lived in Tulsa, Texas Aggie jokes were pretty popular. One of my favorites goes like this: An Aggie student was taking flying lessons at A&M with, as it happens, and instructor who happened to be an alum. So they take off, and everything is fine, until they go to land. Instructor: "Now pay attention, this is a very short runway. If you miss the spot, you have to be ready to go around and try again. Otherwise, you'll go off the end of the runway and cause damage to the plane." Student pilot: "Copy that, sir!" Now the instructor could have let it go at that, but he kept reiterating every few minutes how short the runway was, and how careful the student needed to be. Even as they touched down, the instructor was yelling "Brake, brake, brake!" They finally rolled to a brake-smoking, tire-screeching stop, just shy of the end of the runway. Instructor: "Well done! I told you it was a short runway. Good job." Student, looking out the window: "Thank you sir. Question: how come the runway is so wide?"

[@grondhero]

😆

[@vx5468]

😂😂😂😂

[@Stant123]

Absolute facepalm with that punchline. Well done.

[@andysweetser3487]

👍

[@Evanstonian60201]

Us gyroplane pilots (or at least gyroplane-rated, I'm not really exercising it) should start telling that joke about our favorite exotic rotorcraft where that could actually be a viable strategy...

[@truevulgarian]

I see it as the ATC giving the pilots options, providing them info they may not have or presenting information that may have escaped their attention while they work through there issue. Taken or not, it's good to have options and be allowed to pick the one you like best. Great teamwork.

[@davehall8584]

yes..agreed.....the approach controller was opening up options..great job..

[@cdrenfro6682]

It's refreshing to see competent, professional individuals under pressure doing their jobs well. Good to know they're out there.

[@zhirsr]

This is a great one. I love the focus on flying and not bad passangers

[@ninjalectualx]

I really thought this was turning into a drama channel. It may still tbh

[@ex-iu6ci]

Hey Kelsey, if you ever fly into IND come on up to my local fire department, we'll let you play with the deck gun.

[@brettwalker2723]

@ex-iu6ci And he will let you fly his plane next time you are on it. Haha. Kelsy has to hit the hydrant, too. No free rides on a fire truck.

[@_purge9488]

He’ll be dodging Lift planes left and right 😂

[@emilschw8924]

Would like to see a video of Kelsey playing with a big water gun 😂

[@Docstantinople]

If I bring my son there would you let him play with the deck gun? He’s 6 and talks everyday about wanting to be a fireman

[@maryabbott5005]

​@@emilschw8924YES Most DEFINITELY!!!🎯💯🫡🤩💕

[@justinmarko80]

😆 I could just imagine Kelsey stomping his feet, "but I w.anna use the cannon! "

[@phizc]

Not sure if the period in w.anna was intentional or a typo, but it definitely suggests the whiny way to say that word. 😂

[@philippal8666]

🍼🍼🍼🍭

[@test40323]

fascinating dance to mitigate risks on landing heavy in a busy airport with a malfunction. thank you Kelsey for helping us appreciate what was happening.

[@Mac_Kymera]

I love stories like thus. I loved how the controller and pilots remained 100% professional throughout - no jargon, assessing the situation and options from both ends, reaffirmed everything so nothing was missed, and best of all no one was hurt.

[@jamind.varano4373]

Long time subscriber, first time commenter. Not in aviation, just enjoy your knowledge. This is the first video in a while that showcases that aviation is "safe" not "easy". You mentioned before how a passenger COULD contact air traffic control and put in a bunch of settings to land the plane (in theory). But having the knowledge to make these decisions demands respect. Basically, my favorite videos are the ones that explain a pilots decision that exemplifies their experience. Great channel.

[@KansaSCaymanS]

“The only time you don’t want extra fuel is when you are on fire.” 🤣

[@PatrickHoodDaniel]

So many jam packed learning points in this video. All of his videos have this, but I feel this one is pretty packed.

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

It's awesome to see you do videos like this to show when things go right. There are valuable lessons in when things don't end in disaster as well, but those situations don't usually get as much coverage.

[@direwolf1883]

You have a good channel here Sir. Plenty of info, dummied down and fully explained to the smallest detail. You really know how to teach people things.

[@maryabbott5005]

Well stated!!🎯💯🫡😁

[@siobhanrikan6428]

I wouldn’t say dummied down, more like well explained in easy to understand terms.

[@direwolf1883]

@@siobhanrikan6428 agreed. That is much better put.

[@M_SC]

Broken down, fully broken down might fit better, for flow.

[@FeralPreacher]

This was the best explanation of a minor emergency I have ever heard. Thanks for sharing.

[@deeluu905]

I like the way you always give the pilot the benefit. You explain everything well and you are kind about it. Thank you.

[@Steve.Cutler]

I flew to England back in 1990. When we landed at Gatwick I noticed the plane was taking longer than usual to slow down. Right before we stopped, I noticed fire trucks following us. When we stopped the pilot came on told us the brakes were on fire, but it was under control. I don't know what issue the plane had but it sounds a lot like this story.

[@Sableagle]

British Airways in the '80s had flap trouble flying to Geneva with us on board. Geneva's not the trickiest airport in the world, but it is between a mountain and a lake. Typical Speedbird captain told us all: "We're having slight trouble with the flaps and may have to make a rather fast landing" before pretty much doing a fly-by of the airport perimeter with gear extended and turning that into a landing. It was actually a smooth landing, no trouble, but he still got a cheer from the passengers when we stopped on dry land.

[@petedesalvo7398]

That was an excellent learning video. As a passenger I really liked the way everything was handled professionally and safely. I also love the graphics as you talk it really helps me visualize what’s happening. Thanks again, through your videos you single handedly allowed me to lose my fear of flying. Now I can visit far away relatives. Thanks for all you do.

[@maryabbott5005]

Happy that his videos Helped you "Broaden your Horizons" so you could have More Memories with Family and Friends!!!🎯💯🤩🫡💕💕

[@Sheherezade]

I would really be interested in a video of how you became a pilot … when you first thought about this career, the jobs and education you had along the way that got you to where you are now!

[@Anna_Xor]

He sprinkles that information throughout his videos.

[@jakester455]

He's gone over this a number of times.

[@beverlyweber4122]

@@jakester455 That as how he started the channel, yep. He's come a long way since then!

[@Sheherezade]

@@Anna_Xoryeah, sprinkles it in but it would be really nice to see it all in one place! This would be especially helpful for young kids who are thinking about becoming pilots, but don’t have family members who are pilots (or anything more than private pilots).

[@maryabbott5005]

AGREED...The ENTIRE journey of becoming a pilot, from childhood until completion of his flight school would be Awesome to watch!!!💯🫡💕🙏🏻

[@JoeNasr123]

I fell into a trap the other day. Breakfast waitress said “would you like some fresh squeezed juice?” Boom, $8 on my tab for a tiny glass of mediocre juice.

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

If you had been starving, I bet it would have been delicious ❤

[@LewisTheFly888]

LOL.

[@philippal8666]

We’ll have to reroute a bunch of apple juices if you really don’t need that.

[@josephhaack5711]

My oldest son is a maintainer for United and my younger son is starting hisbATO training g. They both love your channel as do I !Thanks

[@hrdley911]

In the immortal words of Admiral Akbar, "It's a trap"!

[@peterallen4605]

Once, when I was a kid, I did get to shoot the water cannon (not foam) because I volunteered to don the gear and get doused with the cannon (operated by a fireman). First I got doused, then when I said how cool it was to be in the suit and get sprayed down (and I didn't flinch), they offered to let me shoot the cannon at the guy who sprayed me. This was during a visit with my scout troop to PAX River NAS back in the late 80s/early 90s. Yes, it was cool. But then again, I'll never pilot a 747, so I've got to take the wins where I can find them.

[@maryabbott5005]

That was Cool story, Thanks for Sharing...How FUN..Yeah!!!💯🤩😁💕

[@Steinersthresholdguardian]

Kelsey still a kid that wants to play with the water cannons of a fire truck. That's a real man, actually.

[@Private-s2d]

My man got the 4 strips. Sweet. Congratulations.

[@catherinegee2741]

Where have you been? He has had them for months and months. Lol. I'm proud of him too.

[@justinshaffer3419]

I like that the pilot stuck with his 1st choice. My life experience is that your first choice, from experience and gut instinct, is the best choice.

[@SpicyTexan64]

Or is it? 🤔 🤣

[@banzaiib]

Reserving yourself to a solution can be very dangerous. Many GA pilots have died or lost their aircraft because of this...

[@Jimorian]

Even then, he still worked out the calculations for that 3rd option before rejecting it. Rejecting the longer runway was still more based on feel, but given the complications Kelsey explained, also a very logical choice under the circumstances.

[@327Erich]

*DISCLAIMER* This advice often does NOT apply to spouses. Proceed with caution.

[@topethermohenes7658]

Depends, flying is very dynamic, 1st decisions can and will change depending on new circumstances

[@DrDeuteron]

25:00 other ppls toys are always better. When I went to Dryden, I was drooling over their ER2 and static SR71 and X-1 (backup). They’re like, meh, and they visit me are are drooling over a mars rover. We’re like, meh…that’s not even flight qualed.

[@faywallace7870]

Love your videos. My Dad was an Airforce pilot and also flew the B-52 (like your friend) in the early 60s during the cold war when I was 4 years old. Nothing to do with this video but I do enjoy watching your videos.

[@yoyojoe9240]

Great job on Tower and Pilot interaction and communications.

[@Orcinus1967]

Tower, we just got new rims, and we dont want to knarf them up.

[@GhostWatcher2024]

This ATC was the epitome of good CRM outside the cockpit.

[@josephkanowitz6875]

ב''ה, no argument, seems like everyone did a lovely job. Phraseology is fascinating, that sure was chatty to figure out the options, and wonder what throwing all that talk through a "Simple English" filter would produce. No shade on the other pilot and yet even "okay" instead of "no problem" is less colloquial, less radio time and less double negative for someone who might be ESL to parse. With the kind of traffic JFK sees, feel like they might want to lead on that, though at present it surely takes a lot of experience to know what's universally quickest and least ambiguous. No offense but in the minutes before 18:00 you can hear how a slight amount of excess verbiage increases the workload. I'm at a 'if I had more time I would have made this letter shorter' time in my life myself, seems like ATC training should probably focus on this.

[@josephkanowitz6875]

ב''ה, also maybe there are shitty business reasons, but the chattier pilot could have taken a lot of *decision making* load off the controller by declaring the emergency once confirmed they had to commit to the specific runway. I'm armchair-ing it but this seems like a lesson perpetually learned and forgotten, is there something in the definition of emergency that needs to be changed to account for these scenarios so 'aircraft cannot be configured for standard commanded approaches' is automatically a technical emergency, or is it all on the pilots that, fatigued from troubleshooting, can be reticent to say the magic words?

[@gonetoearth2588]

Nice video Kelsey. As a Cirrus pilot who has flow into JFK I can personally tell you that NY app and JFK tower and ground guys and gals are the best!

[@AleeshaMcdowell]

Definitely one of your top videos yet!

[@Socrates21stCentury]

Pretty cool everyone was calm and just doing their jobs ... GZ Team !!!

[@DRV-mt5dd]

I'm happy to see such professional teamwork on this one.

[@dspatchin]

Thanks for this breakdown. So often we only see break downs when it all goes wrong. Great to see ATC and the pilots work together to solve a problem with it all working out, despite some big challenges.

[@nicholasvanorton7840]

6:48 Who want's to get high, get corrected and get down with Kelsey? 😂

[@SarahRenz59]

I really appreciate your detailed explanation of this particular incident. Between your YT channel and the ORD livestreams at the Chicago Flights channel, I'm learning a lot about aviation and airport operations! I would like to add that, in addition to the fire equipment being at the runway to meet the plane, they'll follow the plane to the gate just to be sure.

[@BerzerkaDurk]

14:25 - "You have time to... ...call the company and see if they have any great ideas." Am I detecting a note of sarcasm here? Hahahaha

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

I'd say no - co may mandate a certain procedure per policy in certain situations. Of course, that means co is supposed to also take responsibility. I'm not an airline pilot or crew member (just a nerd), so just my opinion.

[@BishopStars]

It's not sarcasm, this is real.

[@jamesallen8838]

As an old GA pilot I enjoy your videos AND I learn something here and there. Thanks 😊

[@2dthoughts]

Wow!! Just noticed the 4 stripes Missed when that happened Congratulations Captain 🧑‍✈️

[@2dthoughts]

Lol 8+ months ago and watched almost every video since and never noticed or remember you mentioning

[@janemiettinen5176]

Dont worry, youre not the only one who missed it. Kelsey didnt even mention it, but the aviators in our community noticed immediately :)

[@jillbaldwin3005]

2nd week of December, 2023. Approximately.

[@teamkolumbix1718]

Fantastic! I did my PPL in May, this kind videos are extremely important. Thank you.

[@jason6919]

Very insightful video. Great communication among the crew.

[@n6mz]

And thanks to energy being proportional to the square of the velocity, braking from 190kt dumps more than twice the amount of energy into the brakes as braking from 130kt.

[@wilfreddv]

Not to mention they were heavy as well.

[@chrisschack9716]

Yay for thrust reversers, braking without melting tires!

[@jochen_schueller]

But I was surprised that the difference in length of these two runways had been so relevant for the brake temperature, since the total amount of energy to be absorbed would had been the same, wouldn't it? Only the contribution to deceleration by the thrust reversers would have been a bit less on the shorter runway

[@johnwinter9722]

Great video and great outcome. The teamwork, as you pointed out, was terrific. Impressed by the calm and calculated manner of the pilots. It would be easy to show concern or fear, but these folks were terrific. Thanks.

[@philmcconnell5830]

Hey Kelsey, B777 sim instructor for Boeing here. I am impressed with your knowledge, but I cannot help thinking there is a bit too much verbiage to explain your points. I feel that when you explain things several times it may lose some people - but not being a novice, it is very hard to form the correct opinion about this. I've always loved short, concise facts, but then that's just me. Your own research on this gives the correct answer. Keep up the good work. Blue skies forever!

[@Tiisiphone]

Very interesting. Thanks for making these complex issues understandable to the layman.

[@barbaradavis393]

I love it when you explain this stuff to this detail.

[@QuantumBlueberry]

Kelsey: "A 10-20 kt dirrect crosswind, which is not really a big deal..." Me struggling to do a sideslip in a 7 knot 30 degree crosswind:

[@scose]

The 747 flaps are the most impressive looking flaps ever!

[@andycharles6641]

Seems like an excellent example of professionals on both sides working together to make sure that a minor problem doesn’t become a major problem. No egos, no tempers just clear concise communication to work through options and come to the optimum solution.

[@MAGA-American]

Watching Kelsey's videos and drinking coffee make for a very enjoyable morning, thanks Captain!

[@maryabbott5005]

AGREED with you 💯%%%🤩🫡😁💕

[@Trevor_Austin]

That was a great video. After a couple of years you learn that your problems are also everyone else’s problem. It’s important thing is to keep it that way. I’ve had a few flap problems over the years and only once had to insist that I had to have a particular runway. I was going to have “my” runway and like these guys, you don’t have to be nasty. The biggest argument I’ve heard is at Heathrow. They really, really, really don’t want emergencies and whilst they’ve got rid of their “please divert speech” it’s still clear that they don’t want you if you are broken. With regard to the fire trucks - Airport RFF do so little they love to play “fire engines” whenever they can.

[@KX36]

Best analaogy I can think of for explaining flaps is like gears in a car. flaps out is like going into a lower gear so you can go slower and start/stop

[@maryabbott5005]

Well said!!🎯💯😁🫡💕

[@Terminator2310]

Excellent teamwork by both crew and ATC

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

" . . . floating down the runway, 'cause it's easy to get high." - True Confessions on 74 Gear 😂

[@basshead2003]

🎶I was gonna land the plane until I got high, until I got high. I was gonna land the plane until I got high, until I got high.🎶 😂

[@truthteller1246]

No other channel comes close... 74 Gear.. Always #1

[@david.kirmayer]

Thanks, Cap! absolutely marvelous video, as always.

[@rachelanderson-z6n]

Thank you so much for the details in this -- including the pictures of the flaps and other details -- these help tremendously. As an a/c engineer, I have to know the theory + have been in and around aircraft since my teens, however, I am not typed on these aircraft. Your videos help to extend practical knowledge and awareness -- which I feel can only improve safety. Thank you for all your hard work.

[@stephenrogers4537]

Good Sunday morning to you, Captain Kelsey from Chicago. I hope this day finds you and yours well, BROTHER ! KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UP ✈️🫡

[@garycasey5788]

I think the comments about "melting the tires" is a little misleading. Tires, being made primarily of rubber, don't melt, but they would catch fire. Also, if the air inside rises in temperature, the pressure will rise until the tire explodes. I think what you are referring to is the thermal plugs in the wheels, which are designed to melt at a temperature that will relieve the pressure and avoid a tire explosion. You make it sound like the tires could melt. I'm not an expert, but that's as I understand it. I love your channel, by the way!

[@ZombieKiller1965]

I'm just here for the slats vs flaps arguments 😅

[@jaysmith1408]

They would be slats, except on the 747, which has Krueger Flaps

[@ZombieKiller1965]

@jaysmith1408 yea I know but I figured most wouldn't 😀

[@eds.173]

@@ZombieKiller1965thanks to you both

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

Came for this comment! Thank yaaal❤

[@daveewen334]

Hi Captain Kelsey Excellent explanation of hot brake/ high speed landing ! I always enjoy your content , I was ARFF for 25 years , never once put water on a hot brake , have been standing near hot ( in correct position ) main gear when fuse plugs have exploded that’s pretty intense , in fact just being under an aircraft with engines going ( even on idle) is pretty scary , hot noisy and in the dark watching the glow from the brakes is an adrenaline pumping moment , but as you said many times with team work and good comms with the flight deck it always worked out .

[@johnporter6263]

Just listening to this exchange makes me feel like I owe the ATC guys a beer. Well done!

[@nicholasrogers1249]

I wish I had some friends like you, very level headed and logical. I'd love to be able to pick your brain on all kinds of things that aren't aviation related.

[@user-yd7nc8ls1d]

The controller @ 11:40 tried guilt tripping like a bad ex

[@Dirk-van-den-Berg]

Dear Kelsey, I love it how you refer shortly to your own promotion last year to captain. You never mentioned it before, we just suddenly saw the 4th stripe on your shoulders. Those of us laymen with advanced knowledge know that a checkride is performed when a prospective FO or a prospective captain is doing his/her last ride before actually getting promoted.

[@jonathanmiller393]

YAY NEW74 GEAR VIDEO

[@WetNets75]

Having failed in my endeavors in the aviation industry; I live vicariously through 74gear. Thank you!!

[@cherveny]

good communication on both sides here

[@mbvoelker8448]

Neat to see you analyzing one where you know the plane so well that you could add even more details than usual about the situation the pilots were facing and give so much depth of understanding to their thought processes.

[@iiBus]

Brilliant to see a new video from you

[@ratboygenius]

Your conclusion is a great life lesson for everyone not just pilots.

[@stuartmcconnachie]

12:16 …and don’t call me Kathy!

[@JimSnell-eq3hx]

As a retired USAF ATC, emergency procedures are job number one. Pilots are in control of their planes, ATC works the rest of the traffic, emergencies have absolute priority. Your analysis is great. One thing to remember is that ATC has to maintain situational awareness. No easy job.

[@196cupcake]

This is a really good example of an advanced topic: Sometimes less is more. As in, the ATC controller probably should have just taken the pilot at his word for which runway they need and shielding them from the other details, figure everything on ATC's end. Seems like Cathay had a fuel state that would allow them to hold for a while. I'd add that this is also arguably a situation where no one made a bad enough decision to rise to the level of "mistake," even if it could have been handled better in hindsight.