3:28 for 300 win mag and 7:20 for 7mm impact energy on target for those wondering
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@JP-kl1tq4 жыл бұрын
Your a 300 win mag fan boi aren't you? 7mm RM out shoots 300 WM in almost all applications.
@GrimScripts4 жыл бұрын
John Prophet lol Well it’s just an opinion but it was also the most deadly sniper in US Military history, Chris Kyle, preferred round (being the 300 Win Mag) reason being is that it was way cheaper than the 338 per shot but still had amazing knock down power at crazy ranges like 1 mile +. But that Chris Kyle reference wasn’t just a counter argument to what you said about a round out performing another round...it’s not the round homie, it’s the shooter...the round only really matters when it comes to power, speed as well as utility for things like armor piercing application...
@unclefuddelmer92244 жыл бұрын
@@GrimScripts ... ThankYou sir for mentioning US Navy SEAL Chris Kyles’ expertise as a sniper. His longest kill shot was 2,100+ yards. Almost twice the effective range for 300 Win Mag. May God Rest his soul✝️🇺🇸
@samhollan45703 жыл бұрын
@@unclefuddelmer9224 He used a 338 Lapua to take his longest shot
@sjohnson17766 жыл бұрын
Excellent result! I've hunted with .300 WM hand loads for over a decade and it never fails to impress. Awesome video! Thanks!
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@stephanM54 жыл бұрын
Excellent shooting Mark, very informative, you touched on something I have never heard anyone ever mention in distance shooting was how the bullet behaved when travelling at supersonic speed and the effect of vibration when slowing down. You hear this when referring to supersonic fighter jets and the effect of sonic boom but never in shooting.
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad you liked, Cheers
@Trumplican5 жыл бұрын
this is so awesome these 2 rounds are so similar in ballistics its amazing to see the difference at an extreme range.
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@ronsee64585 жыл бұрын
Dragon800 the farthest kill shot I’ve ever heard was at about 1700 yards on a whitetail deer so them rounds is plenty enough rifle for most big game at almost any range
@nate.hanlon4 жыл бұрын
@@handle--729 cap 30-06 drops like crazy at just like 100 yards
@rockie3073 жыл бұрын
@@nate.hanlon 30-06 drops like 42 inches at 500 yards 7mm rem mag drops about 37 inches at 500. Not a significant difference at hunting ranges.
@grubalaboocreosote47742 жыл бұрын
@@rockie307 that actually makes quite the difference for me. I’m not good at stalking, and my standard shot range for elk turns into 500-600 yards on average. Your comment actually made up my mind on the matter.
@XJapa1n098 жыл бұрын
Those Bergers are amazing. So glad I have a ton of them!
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Sure are, Cheers
@mattwitkowski6329 Жыл бұрын
7mm mag is my favorite. Great video
@markandsamafterwork Жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt
@thedadchannel25344 жыл бұрын
It is amazing how similar the elevation and drift was. Awesome!
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@Jerzeyguy8 жыл бұрын
It must be nice to have that kind of area to practice those kind of shots.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Sure is, Cheers
@JR-ng2xy7 жыл бұрын
That's why having friends in Texas is great
@natenlard47547 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam AfterWork is this in newzealeand greenlands. Just wondering cause my father goes hunting in a simalier spot if so.
@theaceofspades4856 жыл бұрын
You can get this in AZ, gun loving state too.
@agcrx336 жыл бұрын
called living out west(;
@stewp.32986 жыл бұрын
Having lived/worked in Australia I can tell you Aussies are Texans with proper manners. Both are friendly and love the outdoors. Nice comparison, just what I was looking for mate. G'day
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers Stew, thanks Man,
@justanotherbum0075 жыл бұрын
Seriously? I don't know too many Texans running around calling each other bloody counts all day long...
@moritzwassmann14967 жыл бұрын
Have been hunting with the 7mm Rem Mag for a number of years and love it! It might seem Overkill ,hunting deer with this round, but with good shot placement you get Instant Kills with no suffering and less meat contamination. Good video
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Hi there, yes great round, Cheers
@deerhunter74826 жыл бұрын
moritz wassmann I've tracked two monster bucks shot by friends that can shoot,as you know big bucks don't lie down easily.the bullet is so fast I think it doesn't expand under 100 yards.the 7-08 however opens up almost as much as a 30 cal at treestand shooting distance,I'll never own one.
@realist65606 жыл бұрын
Over kill ...really....it is about killing the animal period...I went from a 7mm to a 338 wm so nothing would ever walk away.....7mm was get 338 is always taking meat home where you hit it at.....
@artsmith1035 жыл бұрын
@@deerhunter7482 treestand hunting less than 150yds is not the intention of the 7mmRemMag. I would say 300-800yds. It's kind of the 0.270 big brother for a few hundred more yards.
@raptureready95025 жыл бұрын
@@deerhunter7482 what u mean? Which round don't you like?
@darkshaman70874 жыл бұрын
Great shooting again and I just love the sound of those bullets wizzing through the air
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@sav3005 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that can hear the bullet flying through the air? Had to turn up the volume on head phones but it’s definitely the bullet! Love the content, cheers.
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Yes sure is, there are lots of videos on the channel that have the bullet sound, Cheers
@kennethbailey26166 жыл бұрын
I have used a 7mm for many years. I also used a .300 Wby as well. Now I use a Ruger in .300 RCM. My BR rifle was built by Jim Borden in .300 Borden Caribou. It’s my 1k yd rifle. Great shooting. A friend of mine in Sydney is in the Australia bench rest hall of fame, Keith Highfield. Great guy and an a genius in riflery.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Sound like some nice rifles, Cheers
@DrGreen-wl2ry7 жыл бұрын
Nice shootin' glad to see you are always responding to your fans questions and helping us out!
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@bpgregory788 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison of two great long range calibers at distance. Good video as always.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, yeh I like them both, Cheers
@chadpleasant67537 жыл бұрын
I have used both a .300 and now primarily 7mm and have been hearing alot on this 6.5. thanks for the input.
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@2fox767 жыл бұрын
6.5 creedmoor is a very versatile round, it's a great gun. I don't have one but a friend does and has used it from small game up to mule deer with fantastic success.
@paintingandlife42886 жыл бұрын
The 6.5 is a 300 win mag with out the hurt shoulder but u can turn up the winmag and out shine the 6.5 any day. We just got done shooting 800 yards Sunday with the 6.5
@artsmith1035 жыл бұрын
The 6.5 doesn't have anywhere near the downrange energy of the 300. Compare your target size and range and if the 6.5 is enough I would go with that.
@entropicgirl86486 жыл бұрын
I loved my 7mm Mag but sold it and am building a 7mm RUM. Great video hope to post one myself.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@pseudopetrus6 жыл бұрын
Have both, I never thought of that. Awesome comparison!
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@Nostrildomus7 жыл бұрын
You and your equipment are certainly good enough to get the job done . Thanks be
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Hi Shannon, thanks for that. Cheers
@kennethbailey26166 жыл бұрын
I was in Perth 40 some years ago when I was with the Marine Detachment on the USS MIDWAY. Very good video. I like Berger bullets as well.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Hi Kenneth, Cheers
@ronaldgillaspy96545 жыл бұрын
I own a Rem 700 BDL 7mm mag. I have had it for nearly 30 years - killed many a deer with it. It’s always been my go to gun. Longest kill was on a Colorado Muley at approx 600 yards. Amazing gun. I feel the 300 is a pretty good round too. I bought mine cause it is a great round for anything from white tails up to elk.
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@drd19245 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam...thanks for posting your vids, please keep it up, The long range shooting sport really needs more acceptance by the uneducated crowd. Long range shooting is not always about shooting deer. BTW excellent shooting and load development!
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad you liked, Cheers and all the best
@theindooroutdoorsman6 жыл бұрын
The best part of long range shots is just hearing the round.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked, Cheers
@joshjohnson61632 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy with my 7mm rem mag I built on a 300 win mag sniper stock, same barrel and cartridge dimensions so it dropped in perfectly and they feed in the 300 magazine's no problem.
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@floridahuntsman79156 жыл бұрын
Brilliant ! Simply remarkable. You both make it look so easy . Nicely done again.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, Cheers
@mydemon4 жыл бұрын
20 minutes of left wind.. this bullet is doing a massive curve to get there. amazing.
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@chrishenicke20525 жыл бұрын
7mm is an underrated round that has been around for a long time. Both are good though. ✌️
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@troyreynolds45208 жыл бұрын
Great shooting & video Mark & Sam. l like the sound of the bullets and the Australian accent.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Hi Troy, thanks mate, yes the bullet flight sound in the spot is different to anyway else we shoot, Cheers and all the best.
@johnnywalker63852 жыл бұрын
And I can’t hit my own ass with both hands. Fantastic videos. Very fair and informative. Keep ‘em comin thanks!
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
🤣👍
@paulsimmons57268 жыл бұрын
That's some good shooting, period. I watched the wind blowing throughout this video and was quite impressed with his ability to get on target with so few shots for each caliber. I've hunted with both and found the 7mm Remington to be much easier to deal with on all levels. That being said, I use a 7x57 Mauser which has hardly any recoil and is great for my hunting needs of 25-175-ish yards for whitetail deer. Again, that was some great shooting!
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul, yes the 7mmRM is a great bit of gear, Cheers and all the best.
@TexanUSMC80898 жыл бұрын
If I made that shot, I'd have it embroidered on every shirt I own. LOL Great shooting.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, Cheers
@M4A35 жыл бұрын
I just showed your video to my wife. Maybe she will learn to be a spotter lol of course I need to be able to shoot more than 500 yards too. Around here it's all mountains.
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Hi Kennis, Cheers
@davidc7mm2767 жыл бұрын
Two Fantastic Calibers that perform VERY Well . I am a 7mm RUM user and I would never use anything else .
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@kentowens21796 жыл бұрын
Great video, and some fine shooting! Well done.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kent, Cheers
@meboyd77968 жыл бұрын
Great shooting. I used your data, guessing at some, and plugged both cartridges into the JBM online ballistics program. It appears that the program doesn't quite agree with your drops. This is not too surprising considering the range. The program had the 300 dropping 110.8 moa and the 7 dropping 123.5 moa. A little surprising was the point at which they went subsonic 1750 for the 7 and 1900 for the 300, considering they only differed by 50fps at the target. Great fun once again.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, yes most ballistic calculators get a little out of wack at these ranges, i tweak what I use with lots of data, to get them in tune, all good fun, Cheers and all the best.
@mik55tv226 жыл бұрын
What loads are you talking about? ..the best factory load i can find with siera match king bullets for 300 win mag becomes subsonic before reaching 1400 yards ...you must be talking about some unicorn load...what load is it if it exists i need to get my hands on some
@jasonswift70988 жыл бұрын
Well done :) very good at shooting and tuning V8 cars :)
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
We do our best, cheers
@klevee60768 жыл бұрын
I'm in awe the wind you manage to read. That flag it standing. Nice work
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, Cheers and all the best.
@charlesloveday92088 жыл бұрын
Great shots. Myself...I prefer the 300 win mag. Decent conditions but still some wind to deal with...so have congratulate U on a couple of great shots. Awesome to hit n so few shots from either gun!
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Charles, Cheers
@charlesloveday92088 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam AfterWork...how does the 7mm equate to caliber? The 300 wm is 30 caliber?? The 7mm was smaller by grains, but the 300 wm is larger n circumference??
@charlesloveday92088 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam AfterWork...Sorry to ask the size, but I've never shot or seen one n person. Awesome shooting & Sam does a great job as spotter too. Thanks again.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Really, well 7mm is diameter, just the same as 30 cal is diameter, one is metric and one is imperial like a.223 is the same size as 5.56mm. I think maybe you should do some basic research / reading on fire arms. Cheers all the best.
@whitey2shotpewpew8256 жыл бұрын
She is a great spotter.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Sure is, Cheers
@JReed3058 жыл бұрын
I think its really cool that you can hear the bullet passing the down range camera followed by the report of the rifle.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Yes different sound in the spot, Cheers
@JReed3058 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam AfterWork Originaly thought it was possibly a vehicle passing until the 3rd shot fired.
@duggydo2 жыл бұрын
Pulled out my 300 for some shots today. Thought I’d look back at what you had done with the 300. Interesting seeing how your equipment has evolved over time since this video.
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, Cheers
@BigRedPower596 жыл бұрын
It’s incredible to me that there is still that much remaining energy at that range.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@genexrollins3 жыл бұрын
you should check out much longer projectiles, I saw some tables for artillery shells, at 1500 meters they had dropped less 500 FPS in velocity.
@ajanaya1006 жыл бұрын
I have the Winschester 7mm Rem Mag is an excellent bullet, fast and generates a lot of energy, I use it for long shots in Deer and Bear
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@dogzilla210lbs33 жыл бұрын
It's actually hard to imagine that accuracy with everything involved.
@markandsamafterwork3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, cheers
@slatsgrobneck75152 жыл бұрын
Truly, These 2 are legends imo.
@FullContactDrummer8 жыл бұрын
Nice video. The 7mm gets there more quickly, but the 300 leaves a bigger dent.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@paulhomsy27517 жыл бұрын
Don't know if the 7mm got there more quickly unless you timed it and know for sure. The 7mm required 4 more elevation clicks than the 300... It starts faster but the heavy 300 retains velocity a bit better at that range.
@juancarrera6576 жыл бұрын
The 300 win mag is more versatile round lighter grain bullets Have been known to go fast enough from that rifle to spin the jacket off of them ! But that will do you very much good long distance . You need the weight of the Bullard to carry speed downrange . The notary was just testing this two rounds .
@derekfoster71986 жыл бұрын
140s arent as fast as 150s from a 300wm that i can fimd anywhere
@derekfoster71986 жыл бұрын
Personally havent researched on the heavier stuff as 150 yards is about the furthest you'll see around here haha
@dogzilla210lbs33 жыл бұрын
Actually pretty amazing at that distance.
@markandsamafterwork3 жыл бұрын
cheers
@dogzilla210lbs33 жыл бұрын
How many people in the world actually understand the complexity of that range?? I understand some but even the initial calculations are pretty overwhelming. When you can actually see the barrel move toward the scope during adjustments, that's skill.
@everythingphil93767 жыл бұрын
Great recoil management!
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@SqueakyLynn3116 жыл бұрын
Villamor78 how does he do it?
@SqueakyLynn3116 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam AfterWork how do you negate the recoil so well?
@ToadleyBrowne8 жыл бұрын
Great shooting!
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
cheers
@markrawlins63606 жыл бұрын
You know your stuff sir. I have both and before the video started I new the conclusion. Wonderful rounds. Push to shove 300 for moose over 7mm Just more horsepower at contact
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@artsmith1035 жыл бұрын
Agreed. For deer and elk I would choose the 7mmMag.
@wntu48 жыл бұрын
Wow, even at that distance the 300 still smacked the hell out of the target.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Yes, great round and very capable out there, Cheers
@johnharty71975 жыл бұрын
I see this is an old post still I cant help but comment this is a very well thought out comparison and test thank you the video
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers John, thanks man
@trevorkolmatycki40422 жыл бұрын
I am very curious to learn what twist rates your barrels are for these... Also a deep dive discussion on bullet stabilization for ELR vs LR would be very informative and entertaining!
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
All videos we have done, all on the channel, Cheers
@trevorkolmatycki40422 жыл бұрын
@@markandsamafterwork Oh super!... thank you i will watch them indeed. Cheers!
@dustinweaver22884 жыл бұрын
Hello from USA, Great shooting mate, keep up the great work
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dustin, Cheers
@TheBrucebruce272 жыл бұрын
Great shooting spot!
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bruce
@DawesyD8 жыл бұрын
Up late editing this one pal. Great work as always. Keep them coming brother.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Yeh Dawesy, Thanks Man.
@heyynow61766 жыл бұрын
2 great American cartridges!!
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@snakebait51185 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal gentlemen! Phenomenal! Great job!
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@W1ldSm1le7 жыл бұрын
Nice shooting, nice rifles! cheers from New England
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, Cheers
@klauseder34177 жыл бұрын
Great job! Greetings from Austria!
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@nickfletton39766 жыл бұрын
Another great video,thanks guys
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick, was a while ago, glad you liked, Cheers
@akeeperofoddknowledge49565 жыл бұрын
7mm Rem Mag (Browning A-Bolt Stalker) owner, here. This round doesn't get enough attention.
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@Bdady743 жыл бұрын
Now that's quality couple time right there!
@markandsamafterwork3 жыл бұрын
Yep, Cheers
@kencurtis5082 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have both, thanks for sharing.
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ken
@scottbutler27617 жыл бұрын
Your Wife must really really Love you to get out of Bed and be at range by 5 15 in the morning . Love your Videos
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott, we both get a lot from this stuff, Cheers
@poppabear92793 жыл бұрын
Apparently you didn’t go shopping for the right wife Scott. Hell, mine has bought me the major part of my favorite collection. I keep her just as happy with her wants and needs however. Finding the right spouse in this hobby (passion) is 100% mandatory.
@BNatoAk Жыл бұрын
@@poppabear9279 are you special 🙄
@bradclem62265 жыл бұрын
That’s a long poke.🎯 great shooting!
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@canecutter774 жыл бұрын
Impressive, considering the wind damn impressive
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@50CAL133rd6 жыл бұрын
Good demo showing 300 carries a lot more retained energy as expected. Nice shooting.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@jamie570617 жыл бұрын
Great video, superb shooting skills, thanks for sharing.
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked and thank you, Cheers
@karlosvelasquez12066 жыл бұрын
Love the 300 win mag I like using 180 grain ballistic silver tip
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@stevegraves8938 жыл бұрын
Great video Plugged this in to my ballistics calculator for equal bullets. Im a huge 7mag fan myself. As fallows 300 WM 185 GRN BERGER 2900 FPS MUZZLE @ 500 YRDS 2100 FPS 1800 FT-LBS 1000YRDS 1450 FPS 850 FT-LBS AND @ 1500 YRDS 1000 FPS 450 FT-LBS Now for the 7 Mag as follows 180GRN Berger 2900 FPS MUZZLE @ 500 YRDS 2250 FPS 2000 FT-LBS 1000 YRDS 1650 FPS 1100 FT-LBS 1500 YRDS 1200 FPS 600 FT-LBS The further you shoot the more the 7Mag shines over the 300 WM. People don't like to hear this. They are pretty equal but the 7 Mag still has 200 FPS OVER THE 300 WM AND 150 FT-LBS more energy. You get all that and about 15 lbs less recoil.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve, Cheers
@TheBallistician7 жыл бұрын
It seems like everyone always likes to compare the heavier smaller diameter rounds (high BC) with the lighter rounds for a larger caliber(low BC). The 7mm may shoot flatter I have not looked at the ballistic charts for each round, but I'm almost positive that if you use the HEAVIEST 300 wm projectile with the heaviest 7mm projectile, the 300WM has more energy down range. Obviously the same weight projectiles moving at the same speed but one is thinner (higher BC) it will preform better and better over the other one the further down range it goes.
@AchillesDrone7 жыл бұрын
codfishdoom not any more the 195gr. 7mm has a higher bc than the 230 gr. 30 cal
@TheBallistician7 жыл бұрын
According to the Gundata.com ballistic calculator, a 195 grain .28 cal spitzer has .698 BC, while a .30 cal 230 grain spitzer has .717 BC. So with the exact same bullet construction and max weight projectiles, 300 WM has a higher BC. Either way my first statement is still correct, the 300 has more energy at any range with those two projectiles. Energies at 500 yards, 7mm=1,821 ft-lbs, 300WM= 2,319 ft-lbs. Even at 3000 yards, 7mm energy= 274, 300WM= 339. So at 3,000 yards it only has 65 ft-lbs more, which probably wont make much of a difference, but my first statement is still correct. The 300 WM has more energy at ANY range than the 7mm if both are using their heaviest, highest BC projectiles. The 300 also has less drop than the 7mm with these two bullets ,195 vs 230, with 54 inches drop for 7mm, 51inches for 300 both at 500 yards (300 WM also has less wind drift)
@TheBallistician7 жыл бұрын
I also realize I just automatically assumed they are both standard spitzers, while the 7mms bullet may be more efficiently designed (better than standard spitzer) I was just stating that if the two projectiles were constructed exactly the same just the difference in caliber (28 vs 30), the 300 wins everytime. Higher BC, more energy, less wind drift, less drop, according to the ballistic calculator.
@davidmiles25973 жыл бұрын
Nice shooting, your wind data gives me pause, a slower bullet with a larger wind cross section should require a greater windage adjustment? Thanks for the video.
@markandsamafterwork3 жыл бұрын
We have videos on all that, Cheers
@chunkyfather298 жыл бұрын
finding it hard to believe 7mm drops more, good video
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Yes out past 2000 the better bc of the 230 grain takes over, Cheers
@WashingtonTuna6 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see a 180gr 300WM round against the 180gr 7MM. MV would have been very similar. Wind effect and I suspect SD would have also been closer to equal. Getting the powder weight a bit closer would be interesting also. Great team you have.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tuna, but doesn't work quite like that, bc/mv combination is far more relevant out at extreme long range, Cheers
@davidfarber22107 жыл бұрын
You added more detail on the question I asked you the other day about dealing with subsonic flight. Why don't you try the 180 gr. Hornady ELD-M for me, their cheaper. LOL Thanks Mark and Sam.
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Maybe if we work out a deal for testing bullets, I will gets lots in and test, but for my own use I have and like the Bergers, Cheers
@davidfarber22107 жыл бұрын
I was just joking but thanks for your reply.
@josephd76168 жыл бұрын
Excellent work, good comparison, it would be good if you could do this again in the future once you have more data on the 7mm.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Cheers, thanks for that Joseph.
@shannonnunn8 жыл бұрын
I built me a custom wild cat hunting rifle that is a balance between your two rifles..... it is a blown out 7mm weatherby cartridge with a 37 degree shoulder and 91 grain capacity shooting the 195 grain berger hybrids with a bc1 of .755.... It shoots them with a velocity of 2970 with an extreme spread of 5 shots of only 5 ft/sec. I never calculated the sd's but it is very good. a lot of brass prep, weight sorted brass, powder charge less than .02 grains variation, bullet length of ogive sorted and by weight..... It has a custum cut single point barrel with a 1.3 inch diameter 4 inch long shank that tapers to .8 at muzzle.... no muzzle break, a lot of fun to shoot and a good long range gun for windy conditions for deer.....
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a nice rifle, and yeh would be fun to shoot, Cheers
@shannonnunn8 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam AfterWork I just watched your 4k video.... very nice.... I was wondering how you were controlling the rear bag.... looked like a neat set up....
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, we designed and make them our selves, we also make them to sell, if interested email us at mkelse@westnet.com.au and Sam will send you some details, Cheers
@theitalian5567 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great video!
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@warwickdupreez18 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark and Sam. Thanks for the amazing education you guys provide! Just wondering how close to the lands you load those Berger 230 OTM for the Win Mag please?
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
.010"
@ertatta8 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of the ol' 7mmMag and absolutely love your videos. what do you think of all the hoopla with the 300normaMag?
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, as for the 300 Norma, well it good round, nothing much more or less than it neighbors, but not that many around the place, the SOCOM choice may have some sound logic that is not obvious in real world performance, but some of these decisions defiantly fuel the need for more sales to get the new cool round in their possession, 6.5 Creedmoor for example. Cheers and all the best.
@coryanderson23712 жыл бұрын
Nice shooting wish I was there I've been planning on buying a 300 or 7MM 7 AM rifle or uh truly again anyways nice suggestion keep watching
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cory, Cheers
@Mocaknight3 жыл бұрын
Is this what a functional loving couple looks like?
@markandsamafterwork3 жыл бұрын
Yep, cheers
@dennism1037 жыл бұрын
7mm rem mag is king in my book luv mine, fast and flat...
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@bryanbahling28776 жыл бұрын
Love my T/C Compass 300WM!
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@marau32758 жыл бұрын
excelent shooting, best videos on youtube!
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, Cheers
@VicsYard6 жыл бұрын
That is some awesome shooting.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@fredeb676 жыл бұрын
The one that is cheaper to shoot for the common Joe is the one I would pick.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@benjotyson71832 жыл бұрын
very nice comparison 👍
@markandsamafterwork2 жыл бұрын
cheers
@MagnumMike444 жыл бұрын
2342 yards, wow that's beyond impressive. I do have a .300 Winchester magnum hunting rifle and it can shoot .25" to .50" inch groups at 200 yards using Hornady 168 grain bullets. I've never used Berger bullets before because I don't have loading data for them and I'm not sure if they have a reloading manual.
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael, Cheers
@juanf47393 жыл бұрын
300 Windmag for the win.
@markandsamafterwork3 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@W6RIPRadioAdventures8 жыл бұрын
Very Cool Mark! And Sam does a great job spotting! Two of the best cartridges side by side. I have the 7mm and shoot the 168gr and 180gr Bergers. What is you chosen method for load development for the ELR. Groups, Standard Deviation, Ladder, OCW or a combo of any? I've hit a mile with the 180gr Berger in a stock Savage Long Range Hunter. I only used Standard Deviation for my load development. Kevin
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Hi Man, thanks for that, here a link to the basics of how I set up my rounds, Cheerskzbin.info/www/bejne/bWnJhmdnnr2Wm5I
@W6RIPRadioAdventures8 жыл бұрын
Haha! I was just watching that video. I knew you had to have something so I searched for it. Thanks!
@cowboygrandpabaird41077 жыл бұрын
Awesome shooting
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@terrinewman73908 жыл бұрын
Mark&Sam, great video I think that's the quickest quickest I've seen you ring the steel??
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
Cheers Terri, Thanks
@chrishelms19675 жыл бұрын
Holy Shit...... thats impressive
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@K1LL3RGRN4 жыл бұрын
The 7mag didn't have as much drop did it.. the 300 was low, but that 7 didn't need as much comp for drop. Awesome video
@markandsamafterwork4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, and as said, yes but very, very little difference, Cheers
@renelopez22445 жыл бұрын
The scope is quite good. Can you share the optics model and magnification
@markandsamafterwork5 жыл бұрын
Night Force ATACR sfp, all details for these online, Cheers
@renelopez22445 жыл бұрын
@@markandsamafterwork Thanks mate
@Nyksta7 жыл бұрын
Amazing work you two! Always fun to watch. What is your usual trigger pull weight for your long range rifles?
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man, around 1 lb for most ELR, Cheers
@kenhelmers26037 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
@markandsamafterwork7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ken, Cheers
@Longshothawk8 жыл бұрын
appreciate your comments on the newer bullets. you mentioned a few I'm familiar with but I was wondering if you have any experience with the new hornady eld bullets. they have recently put some very new bullets on the market that claim to have very high b.c. In particular a .30 cal 225 grain bullet with a claimed b.c. of .777. guess I'm wondering if you have experience with these type of bullets? thanks for the great vids.
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
They sound like a great bullet, but no I have not tried, also my comments are not saying that any are actually not going to work, just that some may not, if they don't work don't be surprised or blame the rifle, and try before you order a 1000. Cheers and all the best.
@joewoodchuck38246 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Those guns didn't recoil as much as I thought they would though.
@markandsamafterwork6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe, well set up rifles and 100kg (220lb) behind them will help with that, Cheers
@johnknifeman84268 жыл бұрын
Mark and Sam excellent stuff if you had the choice at bench shooting would you pick a bipod or rest bag ? Any help would be appreciated thanks Regards john ashworth Somerset England .
@markandsamafterwork8 жыл бұрын
If a descent cal and just bench shooting, a bag set up is the way to go, if doing more styles then a well set up bipod would be prefered, I will have to do a video some day on how to use a bipod "properly" for bench shooting, Cheers
@johnknifeman84268 жыл бұрын
MarkandSam AfterWork thanks for reply mark we only shoot air rifles from the bench I'm having a bipod for Xmas so will fit that to my air arms pcp if you could send me some pointers I would appreciate that very much .love your stuff happy Xmas .john