7mm Rem Mag V 300Win Mag @ 2342yards

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[@scottbutler2761]

Your Wife must really really Love you to get out of Bed and be at range by 5 15 in the morning . Love your Videos

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Scott, we both get a lot from this stuff, Cheers

[@poppabear9279]

Apparently you didn’t go shopping for the right wife Scott. Hell, mine has bought me the major part of my favorite collection. I keep her just as happy with her wants and needs however. Finding the right spouse in this hobby (passion) is 100% mandatory.

[@BNatoAk]

​@@poppabear9279 are you special 🙄

[@oklikeuknow4827]

3:28 for 300 win mag and 7:20 for 7mm impact energy on target for those wondering

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@JP-kl1tq]

Your a 300 win mag fan boi aren't you? 7mm RM out shoots 300 WM in almost all applications.

[@GrimScripts]

John Prophet lol Well it’s just an opinion but it was also the most deadly sniper in US Military history, Chris Kyle, preferred round (being the 300 Win Mag) reason being is that it was way cheaper than the 338 per shot but still had amazing knock down power at crazy ranges like 1 mile +. But that Chris Kyle reference wasn’t just a counter argument to what you said about a round out performing another round...it’s not the round homie, it’s the shooter...the round only really matters when it comes to power, speed as well as utility for things like armor piercing application...

[@unclefuddelmer9224]

@@GrimScripts ... ThankYou sir for mentioning US Navy SEAL Chris Kyles’ expertise as a sniper. His longest kill shot was 2,100+ yards. Almost twice the effective range for 300 Win Mag. May God Rest his soul✝️🇺🇸

[@samhollan4570]

@@unclefuddelmer9224 He used a 338 Lapua to take his longest shot

[@Jerzeyguy]

It must be nice to have that kind of area to practice those kind of shots.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Sure is, Cheers

[@JR-ng2xy]

That's why having friends in Texas is great

[@natenlard4754]

MarkandSam AfterWork is this in newzealeand greenlands. Just wondering cause my father goes hunting in a simalier spot if so.

[@theaceofspades485]

You can get this in AZ, gun loving state too.

[@agcrx33]

called living out west(;

[@isellcatlitter]

nothing like a 30-30 at 29 yards, iron sights, in chest waders..... on a MOOSE...done deal

[@markandsamafterwork]

sounds great, Cheers

[@daven953]

Swamp Donkey Dinner.... Nice.... 29 yds does get the adrenaline pumping

[@stephanM5]

Excellent shooting Mark, very informative, you touched on something I have never heard anyone ever mention in distance shooting was how the bullet behaved when travelling at supersonic speed and the effect of vibration when slowing down. You hear this when referring to supersonic fighter jets and the effect of sonic boom but never in shooting.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks man, glad you liked, Cheers

[@FullContactDrummer]

Nice video. The 7mm gets there more quickly, but the 300 leaves a bigger dent.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers.

[@paulhomsy2751]

Don't know if the 7mm got there more quickly unless you timed it and know for sure. The 7mm required 4 more elevation clicks than the 300... It starts faster but the heavy 300 retains velocity a bit better at that range.

[@juancarrera657]

The 300 win mag is more versatile round lighter grain bullets Have been known to go fast enough from that rifle to spin the jacket off of them ! But that will do you very much good long distance . You need the weight of the Bullard to carry speed downrange . The notary was just testing this two rounds .

[@derekfoster7198]

140s arent as fast as 150s from a 300wm that i can fimd anywhere

[@derekfoster7198]

Personally havent researched on the heavier stuff as 150 yards is about the furthest you'll see around here haha

[@bigolbootycheeks9138]

My half dozen or so, 1000yard shots over the past few years are my big claim to fame. Lol now I find a breezy day video of 2300 yards. That's damn impressive!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Glad you liked, Cheers and all the best.

[@moritzwassmann1496]

Have been hunting with the 7mm Rem Mag for a number of years and love it! It might seem Overkill ,hunting deer with this round, but with good shot placement you get Instant Kills with no suffering and less meat contamination. Good video

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi there, yes great round, Cheers

[@deerhunter7482]

moritz wassmann I've tracked two monster bucks shot by friends that can shoot,as you know big bucks don't lie down easily.the bullet is so fast I think it doesn't expand under 100 yards.the 7-08 however opens up almost as much as a 30 cal at treestand shooting distance,I'll never own one.

[@realist6560]

Over kill ...really....it is about killing the animal period...I went from a 7mm to a 338 wm so nothing would ever walk away.....7mm was get 338 is always taking meat home where you hit it at.....

[@artsmith103]

@@deerhunter7482 treestand hunting less than 150yds is not the intention of the 7mmRemMag. I would say 300-800yds. It's kind of the 0.270 big brother for a few hundred more yards.

[@raptureready9502]

@@deerhunter7482 what u mean? Which round don't you like?

[@wntu4]

Wow, even at that distance the 300 still smacked the hell out of the target.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes, great round and very capable out there, Cheers

[@entropicgirl8648]

I loved my 7mm Mag but sold it and am building a 7mm RUM. Great video hope to post one myself.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@DawesyD]

Up late editing this one pal. Great work as always. Keep them coming brother.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yeh Dawesy, Thanks Man.

[@ertatta]

I'm a big fan of the ol' 7mmMag and absolutely love your videos. what do you think of all the hoopla with the 300normaMag?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, as for the 300 Norma, well it good round, nothing much more or less than it neighbors, but not that many around the place, the SOCOM choice may have some sound logic that is not obvious in real world performance, but some of these decisions defiantly fuel the need for more sales to get the new cool round in their possession, 6.5 Creedmoor for example. Cheers and all the best.

[@ronaldgillaspy9654]

I own a Rem 700 BDL 7mm mag. I have had it for nearly 30 years - killed many a deer with it. It’s always been my go to gun. Longest kill was on a Colorado Muley at approx 600 yards. Amazing gun. I feel the 300 is a pretty good round too. I bought mine cause it is a great round for anything from white tails up to elk.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@meboyd7796]

Great shooting. I used your data, guessing at some, and plugged both cartridges into the JBM online ballistics program. It appears that the program doesn't quite agree with your drops. This is not too surprising considering the range. The program had the 300 dropping 110.8 moa and the 7 dropping 123.5 moa. A little surprising was the point at which they went subsonic 1750 for the 7 and 1900 for the 300, considering they only differed by 50fps at the target. Great fun once again.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks man, yes most ballistic calculators get a little out of wack at these ranges, i tweak what I use with lots of data, to get them in tune, all good fun, Cheers and all the best.

[@mik55tv22]

What loads are you talking about? ..the best factory load i can find with siera match king bullets for 300 win mag becomes subsonic before reaching 1400 yards ...you must be talking about some unicorn load...what load is it if it exists i need to get my hands on some

[@TexanUSMC8089]

If I made that shot, I'd have it embroidered on every shirt I own. LOL Great shooting.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@drd1924]

MarkandSam...thanks for posting your vids, please keep it up, The long range shooting sport really needs more acceptance by the uneducated crowd. Long range shooting is not always about shooting deer. BTW excellent shooting and load development!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks man, glad you liked, Cheers and all the best

[@knightsun2920]

My question is have you calculated retained energy at target?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes and of course the 300 still has more, but not talking about hunting or killing, just ELR target shooting and I would not want get in the road of either, Cheers

[@sjohnson1776]

Excellent result! I've hunted with .300 WM hand loads for over a decade and it never fails to impress. Awesome video! Thanks!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@mattwitkowski6329]

7mm mag is my favorite. Great video

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Matt

[@Trumplican]

this is so awesome these 2 rounds are so similar in ballistics its amazing to see the difference at an extreme range.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@ronsee6458]

Dragon800 the farthest kill shot I’ve ever heard was at about 1700 yards on a whitetail deer so them rounds is plenty enough rifle for most big game at almost any range

[@nate.hanlon]

@@handle--729 cap 30-06 drops like crazy at just like 100 yards

[@rockie307]

@@nate.hanlon 30-06 drops like 42 inches at 500 yards 7mm rem mag drops about 37 inches at 500. Not a significant difference at hunting ranges.

[@grubalaboocreosote4774]

@@rockie307 that actually makes quite the difference for me. I’m not good at stalking, and my standard shot range for elk turns into 500-600 yards on average. Your comment actually made up my mind on the matter.

[@BigRedPower59]

It’s incredible to me that there is still that much remaining energy at that range.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@genexrollins]

you should check out much longer projectiles, I saw some tables for artillery shells, at 1500 meters they had dropped less 500 FPS in velocity.

[@XJapa1n09]

Those Bergers are amazing. So glad I have a ton of them!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Sure are, Cheers

[@freedomfighter0011]

Hi Mark and Sam, great shooting and spectacular shooting range you have there. Being from Vic im jealous of the open ranges you westralians have at your beck and call. As a person who is looking to get his first long range rifle, i have looked many times at the APRS rifles. Seeing you shoot just as good with a modified stock rem, i beg to ask you, how much approx did the rem cost you after modifying against an APRS which i know is worth over $6500 AUD .

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Glen, depends how much you do, cost would be similar for similar results, and doing your self you can spend even more if you take a couple of cracks at it. The factory Rem LR is great bang for the buck and a great place to start, but if you plan to go all the way as we have or even further with the likes of a heavy barrel, would be cheaper to start with the APRS, all the best bits from the start, Cheers

[@freedomfighter0011]

Thanks for that, thats exactly what i wanted to know. I believe i will consider an APRS rifle then as i dont have the time or experience to start from scratch, and one of their rifles will do more than i can shoot lol.

[@W6RIPRadioAdventures]

Very Cool Mark! And Sam does a great job spotting! Two of the best cartridges side by side. I have the 7mm and shoot the 168gr and 180gr Bergers. What is you chosen method for load development for the ELR. Groups, Standard Deviation, Ladder, OCW or a combo of any? I've hit a mile with the 180gr Berger in a stock Savage Long Range Hunter. I only used Standard Deviation for my load development. Kevin

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Man, thanks for that, here a link to the basics of how I set up my rounds, Cheerskzbin.info/www/bejne/bWnJhmdnnr2Wm5I

[@W6RIPRadioAdventures]

Haha! I was just watching that video. I knew you had to have something so I searched for it. Thanks!

[@WashingtonTuna]

I would have liked to see a 180gr 300WM round against the 180gr 7MM. MV would have been very similar. Wind effect and I suspect SD would have also been closer to equal. Getting the powder weight a bit closer would be interesting also. Great team you have.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Tuna, but doesn't work quite like that, bc/mv combination is far more relevant out at extreme long range, Cheers

[@kinghorni]

Mark, you mix up mils and minutes in this video. I know you know it better.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@Longshothawk]

appreciate your comments on the newer bullets. you mentioned a few I'm familiar with but I was wondering if you have any experience with the new hornady eld bullets. they have recently put some very new bullets on the market that claim to have very high b.c. In particular a .30 cal 225 grain bullet with a claimed b.c. of .777. guess I'm wondering if you have experience with these type of bullets? thanks for the great vids.

[@markandsamafterwork]

They sound like a great bullet, but no I have not tried, also my comments are not saying that any are actually not going to work, just that some may not, if they don't work don't be surprised or blame the rifle, and try before you order a 1000. Cheers and all the best.

[@chrishenicke2052]

7mm is an underrated round that has been around for a long time. Both are good though. ✌️

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@jaswindergalib]

What scope you use on these rifles?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Nightforce ATACR's

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

The best part of long range shots is just hearing the round.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Glad you liked, Cheers

[@charlesloveday9208]

Great shots. Myself...I prefer the 300 win mag. Decent conditions but still some wind to deal with...so have congratulate U on a couple of great shots. Awesome to hit n so few shots from either gun!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Charles, Cheers

[@charlesloveday9208]

MarkandSam AfterWork...how does the 7mm equate to caliber? The 300 wm is 30 caliber?? The 7mm was smaller by grains, but the 300 wm is larger n circumference??

[@charlesloveday9208]

MarkandSam AfterWork...Sorry to ask the size, but I've never shot or seen one n person. Awesome shooting & Sam does a great job as spotter too. Thanks again.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Really, well 7mm is diameter, just the same as 30 cal is diameter, one is metric and one is imperial like a.223 is the same size as 5.56mm. I think maybe you should do some basic research / reading on fire arms. Cheers all the best.

[@ToadleyBrowne]

Great shooting!

[@markandsamafterwork]

cheers

[@chadpleasant6753]

I have used both a .300 and now primarily 7mm and have been hearing alot on this 6.5. thanks for the input.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@2fox76]

6.5 creedmoor is a very versatile round, it's a great gun. I don't have one but a friend does and has used it from small game up to mule deer with fantastic success.

[@paintingandlife4288]

The 6.5 is a 300 win mag with out the hurt shoulder but u can turn up the winmag and out shine the 6.5 any day. We just got done shooting 800 yards Sunday with the 6.5

[@artsmith103]

The 6.5 doesn't have anywhere near the downrange energy of the 300. Compare your target size and range and if the 6.5 is enough I would go with that.

[@mydemon]

20 minutes of left wind.. this bullet is doing a massive curve to get there. amazing.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

I am very curious to learn what twist rates your barrels are for these... Also a deep dive discussion on bullet stabilization for ELR vs LR would be very informative and entertaining!

[@markandsamafterwork]

All videos we have done, all on the channel, Cheers

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

@@markandsamafterwork Oh super!... thank you i will watch them indeed. Cheers!

[@bpgregory78]

Nice comparison of two great long range calibers at distance. Good video as always.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, yeh I like them both, Cheers

[@Liemciemdk89]

G1 bc difference .037 for the 300 win mag 3.5 moa less than 7mm 85 inches @ 2342 extra drop

[@markandsamafterwork]

G1 bc for 7mm 180g Berger Hybrid .683 for 300 230g Berger Hybrid .743

[@johnharty7197]

I see this is an old post still I cant help but comment this is a very well thought out comparison and test thank you the video

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers John, thanks man

[@karlosvelasquez1206]

Love the 300 win mag I like using 180 grain ballistic silver tip

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@paulsimmons5726]

That's some good shooting, period. I watched the wind blowing throughout this video and was quite impressed with his ability to get on target with so few shots for each caliber. I've hunted with both and found the 7mm Remington to be much easier to deal with on all levels. That being said, I use a 7x57 Mauser which has hardly any recoil and is great for my hunting needs of 25-175-ish yards for whitetail deer. Again, that was some great shooting!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Paul, yes the 7mmRM is a great bit of gear, Cheers and all the best.

[@Nyksta]

Amazing work you two! Always fun to watch. What is your usual trigger pull weight for your long range rifles?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, around 1 lb for most ELR, Cheers

[@timeverett7828]

All things being equal I'm wondering if rifle twist makes any difference. Because they make 300 Win Mag in one in ten and one in eleven. But I believe 7 mm Remington mag is 1 in 9.45 in. I have shot 1 in 10 twist 300 Win Mag and 1 in 11 twist 300 Win Mag same barrel length and surprising difference of about 8% more energy with the faster twist.

[@markandsamafterwork]

From what I have seen, the twist makes little difference, just need the right twist for the bullet weight your running, Cheers

[@StonerAR10]

I have a 6.5 Creedmore Bergara. Im thinking about a 300 WM by Christensen (Mesa Long Range). We have a 1,000 year range. Which is better at long range and does the 300 WM have too much recoil. I'm turning 70 this year

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Fred, lots of videos on our channel to help with that sort decision, but I do not offer personal recommendations, maybe ask a few of the guys at your range, but if only 1000 yards the 6.5cm will do that very easily and be nicer to shoot, Cheers

[@markrawlins6360]

You know your stuff sir. I have both and before the video started I new the conclusion. Wonderful rounds. Push to shove 300 for moose over 7mm Just more horsepower at contact

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@artsmith103]

Agreed. For deer and elk I would choose the 7mmMag.

[@dogzilla210lbs3]

It's actually hard to imagine that accuracy with everything involved.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks man, cheers

[@slatsgrobneck7515]

Truly, These 2 are legends imo.

[@darkshaman7087]

Great shooting again and I just love the sound of those bullets wizzing through the air

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@greenboyatgafarms2250]

Witch 1 do you prefer if you could only have one rifle??? I'm looking for a good long gun to add to my collection. I will use this gun for hunting bigger game and long range practice shooting. I'm not worried about the recoil I already shoot a 338 Win Mag.

[@markandsamafterwork]

I like them both, but if for hunting ask your local hunters than will be able help on what suits your area better, Cheers

[@davidfarber2210]

You added more detail on the question I asked you the other day about dealing with subsonic flight. Why don't you try the 180 gr. Hornady ELD-M for me, their cheaper. LOL Thanks Mark and Sam.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Maybe if we work out a deal for testing bullets, I will gets lots in and test, but for my own use I have and like the Bergers, Cheers

[@davidfarber2210]

I was just joking but thanks for your reply.

[@shannonnunn]

I built me a custom wild cat hunting rifle that is a balance between your two rifles..... it is a blown out 7mm weatherby cartridge with a 37 degree shoulder and 91 grain capacity shooting the 195 grain berger hybrids with a bc1 of .755.... It shoots them with a velocity of 2970 with an extreme spread of 5 shots of only 5 ft/sec. I never calculated the sd's but it is very good. a lot of brass prep, weight sorted brass, powder charge less than .02 grains variation, bullet length of ogive sorted and by weight..... It has a custum cut single point barrel with a 1.3 inch diameter 4 inch long shank that tapers to .8 at muzzle.... no muzzle break, a lot of fun to shoot and a good long range gun for windy conditions for deer.....

[@markandsamafterwork]

Sounds like a nice rifle, and yeh would be fun to shoot, Cheers

[@shannonnunn]

MarkandSam AfterWork I just watched your 4k video.... very nice.... I was wondering how you were controlling the rear bag.... looked like a neat set up....

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks, we designed and make them our selves, we also make them to sell, if interested email us at [e-mail] and Sam will send you some details, Cheers

[@davidmiles2597]

Nice shooting, your wind data gives me pause, a slower bullet with a larger wind cross section should require a greater windage adjustment? Thanks for the video.

[@markandsamafterwork]

We have videos on all that, Cheers

[@warwickdupreez1]

Hi Mark and Sam. Thanks for the amazing education you guys provide! Just wondering how close to the lands you load those Berger 230 OTM for the Win Mag please?

[@markandsamafterwork]

.010"

[@Barklen226]

Great shots. From America it's actually surprising to see you guys out shooting in AUS. As far as we hear over here, you guys are very limited in what you can own and shoot?

[@markandsamafterwork]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnOap2lrppaYfck

[@coryanderson2371]

Nice shooting wish I was there I've been planning on buying a 300 or 7MM 7 AM rifle or uh truly again anyways nice suggestion keep watching

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Cory, Cheers

[@aminkhashm]

how do you like the spotting scope? it goes for 448 canadian $, should I buy it? I only need it for 1.5 miles max

[@markandsamafterwork]

This one works great for us, Cheers

[@fredeb67]

The one that is cheaper to shoot for the common Joe is the one I would pick.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@pseudopetrus]

Have both, I never thought of that. Awesome comparison!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@richardolson1257]

why cant you make a vid of a average guy or gal buying a stock rifle in 300 win mag or 7mm mag with a average scope and see what it will hit not some custom made rifle it is like these fucking car shows on tv the average person can not afford snap on tools or welders ect.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Try this, kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXm7gWxjjcmjgs0, Cheers

[@kennethbailey2616]

I was in Perth 40 some years ago when I was with the Marine Detachment on the USS MIDWAY. Very good video. I like Berger bullets as well.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Kenneth, Cheers

[@renelopez2244]

The scope is quite good. Can you share the optics model and magnification

[@markandsamafterwork]

Night Force ATACR sfp, all details for these online, Cheers

[@renelopez2244]

@@markandsamafterwork Thanks mate

[@niteriderwm]

Great Video...CAMERA TIP : We have solved our 1027 yds camera close ups....a CCTV Mini security camera ( 60 mm lens ) , Boscam FPV Transmitter -Receiver 5.8 ghz , clover leaf antennas , Video capture card , Laptop and two 12 v 5 amp batteries....When spotter can't come out to range I now have an instant feedback tool...I can also record directly to laptop via video capture card...total cost USD $ 131.Hope this can assist you in those longer shot videos . G'day !

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks for the info, Cheers and all the best

[@Bnielsen1991]

What scopes are you using on the the rifles?

[@markandsamafterwork]

NightForce ATACR sfp 5-25x56

[@DrGreen-wl2ry]

Nice shootin' glad to see you are always responding to your fans questions and helping us out!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@makoyiniito1897]

300 win mag is best! So all you 7mm Fans keep tell yourself it's the Same

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@roberthumpries3666]

Why are you shooting at a 2 foot plate ? Aim small miss small.12 inch max size.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, go on then, show us...….Cheers

[@brianatherton4916]

I shot a 1/2 inch steel plate at 100 yrds with my 7 and it looked like a punch press put hole in it

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@ssearl3231]

Don’t know if you care to try but I know a load for the 300 wm that you would love.

[@markandsamafterwork]

We have a good load for our 300, but always learning, Cheers

[@thomandstacieverroad8417]

Geez my 7mm rem mag throwing 175gr. Barns triple shocks at 500 yards seems a little...... Wussy lol but I can hit 'em 😁

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@thomandstacieverroad8417]

@@markandsamafterwork You sir are a rockstar at Extreme Range. Really appreciate what you do.

[@ericteipen]

2 inches right and low of the other "Shit shot" lol....oops

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@sav300]

Am I the only one that can hear the bullet flying through the air? Had to turn up the volume on head phones but it’s definitely the bullet! Love the content, cheers.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes sure is, there are lots of videos on the channel that have the bullet sound, Cheers

[@michaelnewey]

Hi Mark & Sam, really enjoy your channel. Have you considered the 7mm Berger 195gn EOL Hybrid with a G1 BC of .754?

[@Life-ch8rj]

Michael Newey I think that would be a more fair comparison. The .300 win is max out with the Berger hybrid at 230 grn the 7mm mag should be max out with the Berger 195 grn hybrid. I would also like to see the standard deviation for each load that would effect a lot.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Michael, have not tried those yet, when i did the maths decided that the 180's would be best choice as I could not run enough powder in the stock 7mm chamber to get enough fps to make the 195's a benefit, but some day I will have test to be sure. Cheers and all the best

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Matthew, i will have test at some stage, when i did the maths decided that the 180's would be best choice as I could not run enough powder in the stock 7mm chamber to get enough fps to make the 195's a benefit. Cheers and all the best.

[@michaelnewey]

Thanks for the reply. Just for interest's sake, I asked Bob Beck of EOL (who inspired this bullet which was designed by Bryan Litz) about the 7mm Rem Mag performance with the 195s and he said they get approx. 2850 fps with them in a standard SAAMI chamber.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Interesting, I didn't/don't think I would get quiet that speed in this rifle, I did my maths on an expected MV of 2800 fps, but will have to see, someday. Cheers

[@thedadchannel2534]

It is amazing how similar the elevation and drift was. Awesome!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@jamie57061]

Great video, superb shooting skills, thanks for sharing.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Glad you liked and thank you, Cheers

[@duanehenicke6602]

I have always been told 165 grain is the best for 7mm. I shoot winchester Ballistic Silvertip 140 grain. One reason is the health of my shoulder. The other is the speed of the 7mm does tend to shoot clean through without expanding. Ballistic tip helps with that. And i feel 140 grain is all that's needed for white tail. I did shoot a 30 lb pig once at 200 yards behind the shoulder with this round. Bullet never touched a bone. Just poked a hole clean through. He squealed and ran 15 yards before bleeding out. But man what a flat shooting round.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@pauljohnson004]

good to see some west australian shooters out on range having a shoot. i am manager of 3.000.000 acre cattle property east of wiluna and we have a camel issue if you ever want to come out. they are planning a kull in march but always welcome..i am wondering what that APRS cost to buy as i am wanting to purchase one with all the same mods. I use a Tikka T3x for my shooting out here which sits on the dash and in harsh conditions but in the .308 it does ok. if your in mood to come out and have a shoot let me know via message here and ill arrange the information you require to get here... safe and happy shooting!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, would sure like to help, but not enough time to scratch at this stage, maybe next lifetime, lol, Cheers

[@pauljohnson004]

@@markandsamafterwork your welcome..i a curious to ask your opinion on something....for accuracy, reaching out further with less adjustment time for win and elev in a high powered rifle at ranges 300 too 600 meters what bolt action rifle, scope and calibre would you recommend as an all around reliable, tough and extreme weather friendly in temps from 0 to 50 degrees C and type of ammo. i do want to purchase the APRS 700 REM (COST RANGE I HAVE SEEN AROUND $6500) camels have a small brain and they look at you with nose up level with eyes and brain so a precise shot is a must so as to put the animal down with no pain or suffering and the TIKKA T3X does the job at 100 out to 300 with not much effort other than allowances for drop on a windless day. what would you recommend as a engine room projectile and grain to get through the lungs and heart to guarantee a kill first shot at ranges out to above mentioned 300 to 600mtres....we buy and use bulk boxes of .308 win SP 150 gr 9,7 g......your opinion would be great but i understand your busy. cheers.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well, not how the channel works, we offer a ton of info in videos to help you make, what we might think is a better decision, but I do not make recommendations. If chasing help to find the relevant videos beyond the channel search process, or info/advice beyond that, we have our 4AW memberships, Cheers and all the best.

[@jasonswift7098]

Well done :) very good at shooting and tuning V8 cars :)

[@markandsamafterwork]

We do our best, cheers

[@FL1911]

Hi, How fast are you pushing the Bergers 230gr? And what is your standard deviation in speed? Thank you, SC Florida USA

[@markandsamafterwork]

approx 2860 fps

[@ssearl3231]

That would be over pressure

[@scottbutler2761]

...... Hi again can i ask what the name off the Measuring App is thanks .

[@markandsamafterwork]

Measuring Tape

[@MagnumMike44]

2342 yards, wow that's beyond impressive. I do have a .300 Winchester magnum hunting rifle and it can shoot .25" to .50" inch groups at 200 yards using Hornady 168 grain bullets. I've never used Berger bullets before because I don't have loading data for them and I'm not sure if they have a reloading manual.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Michael, Cheers

[@boltactoinbarney]

great shooting. from the states. amd im curious what gps measuring app do you use. thanks in advance.

[@markandsamafterwork]

"MEASURING TAPE"

[@VincenzoNero94]

What is your twist on the 7mm rem mag? I’m working on a custom 700 in 7mm rem mag. And my twist is 9.5. I don’t know if that’s enough to stabilize the burger 180. If it’s not I’m thinking of the hornady 168

[@markandsamafterwork]

This is 1 in 9, but I think you would be fine, cheers

[@VincenzoNero94]

MarkandSam AfterWork thanks. Can’t wait to try out the build, and the burgers. Normally I’m a hornady guy, but burgers looks like they’d be good.

[@martineldred6565]

You need the right caliber for your needs. If I'm hunting Moose in Alaska (where I live), the 7mm is ok. But if I have wind as in the video, I'm thankful that my heavier .300 Mag round flies better In the cross wind.With bigger game, you need bigger and accurate lead down field to make an humane shot.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@calebwheeler6445]

I'd like to see the comparison of the 7mm 180gr vs the 30cal 180gr. Just to see how much the 300win can make up for in speed to compensate for the loss of BC on the lighter bullet. Since the 230gr is heavier and has a slightly higher BC

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well not something that would be worth the effort for ELR, really more a normal mid to long range hunting thing, cheers

[@bbhrdzaz]

Ok, 7mm Mag 180gr pushing 2950 is intense. I run 140gr at that speed and all I need (inside of 350 yards). at 2341 yards, the time of flight is definitely a factor in the coriolis effect.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@searcherT]

300 win traveling 1.3 miles or so, with 15 mph wind. Hats off to you, that is some serious skills you have. Just out of curiosity I thought gun ownership in Aus was not allowed? Blessings.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, and seem the maybe some exaggeration on our gun laws, restrictions, but still have them, Cheers

[@joshjohnson6163]

I'm really happy with my 7mm rem mag I built on a 300 win mag sniper stock, same barrel and cartridge dimensions so it dropped in perfectly and they feed in the 300 magazine's no problem.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@IneosGrenadierWorld]

Hello Mark, Im ready to commission a custom tactical build with Barnard & True flight but Im having trouble deciding on my caliber. Im currently shooting a rem 40x .300 win mag with 210 berger VLD but looking to upgrade to the the 230 berger or change to a 7mm rem mag with 195 berger. Also the option to Blend both rounds together and build a 7mm-300wm to shoot the 195 EOL. I want good hitting power on deer at long range. Ive considered the 338 lap and 375 chey but i was thinking the recoil might be too much to enjoy to keep it shooting consistent. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Rohan, well I stay away from making recommendations, but for hunting/stalking you normally need a bit lighter rather than heavier, so I would go smaller rather than larger in the power/cal, but I don't hunt past a max bullet flight time of 1 sec in my way of keeping it ethical. Beyond that I would suggest talking to your local gun smith, or rifle builder, they have a vested interest in helping you get it right. Cheers

[@artsmith103]

338 and 375 put extra stress on optics. Stay with 300 or smaller and invest the optic savings in the rifle. I think 800 yds is the break point between 7mmMag and 300. Me personally, I'd rather carry the 7mmMag and find a way to get my shot at 700yds or less.

[@DrTadHusseinWinslow]

Do you not have a problem with "belt bulge" after a few reloads with belted cases?

[@markandsamafterwork]

No problems with belts, primer pockets loosen with the hotter loads but still good to the 6 or 7 firings, Cheers

[@jonsmith3574]

MarkandSam AfterWork you just need to neck re size. No need to full length re-size if using in the same gun/chamber

[@mitch9020]

hi nark and sam. have you used a burris eliminator 3. if so are there any major flaws with it, i am considering buying one but im looking for a bit of advice first. any info on them would be greatly appreciated. cheers. great video's too.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Mitch, sorry no i have not use those scopes, I think for hunting they could be a great idea, but as said not used so I really can not say, Cheers

[@terrinewman7390]

Mark&Sam, great video I think that's the quickest quickest I've seen you ring the steel??

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Terri, Thanks

[@danthedewman1]

Ill take the .300..been shooting that for 30 + years...if you handload its even better..The selection of bullet weights is unequal.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@Mocaknight]

Is this what a functional loving couple looks like?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yep, cheers

[@K1LL3RGRN]

The 7mag didn't have as much drop did it.. the 300 was low, but that 7 didn't need as much comp for drop. Awesome video

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, and as said, yes but very, very little difference, Cheers

[@whitey2shotpewpew825]

She is a great spotter.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Sure is, Cheers

[@motormouth60]

Why load such heavy grain bullets both these calibers perform better with 165 and 140 respectively

[@markandsamafterwork]

We use heavy bullets for extreme range shots, there are far better having a way higher BC, a bit of research will help you understand, Cheers and all the best.

[@chrishelms1967]

Holy Shit...... thats impressive

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@jeffhoser7717]

What's the twist rate on the 7MM Rem Mag ? I've found mine Sako ) likes 170 gr. range bullets better .

[@markandsamafterwork]

1 in 9

[@M4A3]

I just showed your video to my wife. Maybe she will learn to be a spotter lol of course I need to be able to shoot more than 500 yards too. Around here it's all mountains.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Kennis, Cheers

[@johnnywalker6385]

And I can’t hit my own ass with both hands. Fantastic videos. Very fair and informative. Keep ‘em comin thanks!

[@markandsamafterwork]

🤣👍

[@kencurtis508]

Great video, I have both, thanks for sharing.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Ken

[@ajanaya100]

I have the Winschester 7mm Rem Mag is an excellent bullet, fast and generates a lot of energy, I use it for long shots in Deer and Bear

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers