911 T-Hybrid Review + Car Show Problems - TST Podcast

Why is the new Porsche 911 GTS T-Hybrid so controversial? Matt Farah and Zack Klapman talk about why police "hassle" cars & coffee events; Mazda's color choices; a NEW Bentley problem; Are superbikes the cheap hypercar experience? and answer listener questions including:
When 3rd party warranties are worth it?
Which car is the best 5-10 year investment?
Used 997 911 or 718?
When the e-Golf is NOT the right car
How to go PDK but keep a marriage
Cars with too-tall gearing
Do buyers of pre-owned cars have the right to complain?
And more!
Recorded July 3, 2024
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[@dan.r9220]

1 hour 46 min?? How did we get so Iucky?!?!?!?!

[@matteugenio]

LFG 🙌🏽

[@paulcooper903]

The 992.2 turbo S is going to be crazy, crazy fast.

[@DaBaltimoron]

Where's the new GT2 RS???

[@superr4368]

Matt - you are looking good (significantly lighter. Am I correct?) Keep up the good work gents! 👍👍

[@narumis]

00:00 - teaser 01:14 - intro 02:02 - upcoming travel and being invited to see an RWB build 05:22 - WCCS to be featured guest at Porsche Santa Clarita's Cars and Coffee Aug 3rd 08:32 - Cars and Coffee parking ticket drama 18:04 - Matt MC-ing 405 Motoring's Cars and Cigars event July 14th 19:15 - Cybertruck wraps 23:50 - thoughts on the car market being soft and being a buyer's market 28:15 - some quick comments on the Land Cruiser 1958's ride in-town 29:44 - Bentley update: battery dying 32:55 - cheap flights on the 4th and expensive ones to Knoxville/Nashville, and business class flights 36:15 - 911 GTS Hybrid review debrief Patreon questions: 59:42 - are third-party warranties worth it on used car purchases? 1:02:31 - are extended warranties a good idea on low-mile enthusiast cars? 1:02:58 - have you looked at a late production e-Golf as your potential EV errand vehicle? 1:04:08 - do you know anyone that is working on motor upgrades for EVs (specifically the Mach-E)? what is your outlook on the perfomance upgrade market for EVs in general? 1:07:19 - what other cars besides Boxter/Spyder/Cayman GT4 are hampered by their gear ratios? 1:10:08 - as a thougth exercise where would the ND3 slot into your current car collection, canyon car or errand car? 1:11:40 - do you think something like a BMW S1000RR at full throttle (in safe conditions) might give a similar motorsports experience as something like a Lamborghini SVJ when it comes to sound and exhilaration? 1:16:22 - thoughts on the new Weiss watch? 1:16:37 - is it reasonable for enthusiasts who only buy pre-owned cars to critique auto makers for the transmission options and color choices that get produced? 1:20:25 - what used car under $100k is the safest purchase at the moment, something I can put 5-10k miles on and sell in 5 years for what I bought it for? 1:25:30 - my wife wants me to replace my manual NC Miata with a PDK 981 Boxter, I love that she's showing interest but worried that I'll miss the mechanical connection of the manual; advice? 1:26:32 - where would you start if you were tasked with creating a vehicle for a Mad Max film? 1:28:27 - why don't any OEMs make oscillating HVAC vents like Mazda in the '90s? 1:29:21 - thoughts on modded Miatas like V8 swaps, turbos, supercharging? 1:30:02 - updates on the Car-u-Garbage card game? 1:30:20 - fun behind the scenes moments in the Rob Ferratti ticket challenge video? 1:31:35 - with the Aston Martin Vantage's move up-market, is there enough separation between Vantage and DB12? 1:32:22 - how does the driving dynamics of the Z3 coupe compare to the convertable and thoughts on the performance/reliability differences between the available engines? 1:36:24 - if you could tweak the OEM Miata, what would you change to make it better? 1:38:47 - how could your Focus RS ride so badly if you had fancy suspension and more sidewall, isn't that what makes a soft ride? 1:40:14 - first Porsche, $60k: used 718 Boxter S or 997 Carrera S cab? 1:41:32 - would the McLaren F1 be as sought after if it didn't have the center driving position? 1:46:15 - outro

[@Beardman770]

Thanks!

[@rbxe]

Here's what Nobody Says about PDK.... PDK Makes left foot braking easy to learn/do. Left foot braking, ina Cayman is actually way more engaging, on a good road, than left foot clutching. Cayman and Boxster very sensitive to braking input, you learn to do little left foot dabs on the brakes just to shift weight as you enter every corner, super fun and engaging.... Also, I've heard pro racers say, You can't win a race without left foot braking, so if you're interested in being competitive, learn left foot braking. Left foot braking with a clutch is just a busy PITA.

[@Emm2004]

Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing

[@Baimobile7]

It’s easier to left foot brake with ANY automatic car. Pro race drivers say you can’t win a race without using left foot braking, but they’re using automatics. Race cars with 3 pedals don’t always mean a clutch action for every shift, or even most shifts. The clutch in race cars is used to get going, then that’s it. Straight cut gears mean no clutch action as long as they’re at high enough RPM.

[@rmckeiver]

I just got over wanting that G Shock and now I want it again

[@paulhawkins95]

As a Porsche fan that currently owns a 997.1 x51, I’m super excited about the new GTS. The tech is awesome and very much motorsport inspired. I was optimistic when the rumors came out it would be hybrid and got excited when they announced the GTS. I can’t wait to get a chance to drive it

[@pherron7471]

😂 Gotdamn, yes Zack, we do care about shifter feel on motorcycles. It fucks up the experience just like in a car if they're bad and clunky transmissions can also cause missed shifts.

[@VS666]

yeah, nothing worse than a quickshift that misses or gets stuck in neutral easy (KTM/Husq, looking at you!) doesn't give you confidence when going fast

[@tonys.568]

But to be fair, motorcycle sequential transmissions are generally clunky. You don’t want to shift too hard ( you can bend the transmission rods) and you don’t want to be soft, it may not go into gear. But almost every bike going from N to 1st is a giant CLUNK. Thats just a sequential transmission. Car sequentials same clunky feel…

[@dan.r9220]

Be careful with extended warranty. Make sure you read alllll the fine print. I missed the part where they will only pay out the value of the car when purchased. I had 2 multi thousand dollar repairs and ran out.

[@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind]

1:30:25, so cool to hear backstory on the pulled over challenge.

[@larssonk22]

Lotus do a similar grey for the Emira, it actually looks great!

[@The_Stanman]

I've had the exact opposite experience with 992.1 "Normal" mode after DDing a C2S for 4 years. I've found the shift logic is the biggest PDK improvement vs 991, with Sport mode less necessary. It's freakishly good at adapting to situation. Drive slow, it maximizes efficiency and smoothness (but doesn't bog). Drive more aggressively, it *immediately* holds gears. Slight incline? Downshift. It does upshift at low revs, but that's because the turbo makes so much power down low. I wonder if the 992 Matt drove needed a PDK learning reset? Regardless, I'm very excited about the new T-Hybrid. I'd love it for city driving. I'm interested to hear US-spec ones without the particulate filter.

[@maxmoser412]

A manual 997 Turbo is a car you can buy now under $100k, drive 5-10k over 2-3 years, and not lose money on. You can basically take that to the bank. The last manual 911 Turbo will always be in high demand. Also incredibly reliable and cheap to insure compared to many other cars in its class. Plus it's comfortable, and you just slap the new Porsche Classic PCM retrofit in it and you have all the modern infotainment amenities.

[@technom3598]

Show me a 6 speed 996 turbo under 100k with less than 40k miles

[@maxmoser412]

@@technom3598 there's an '09 997 Turbo on AT right now in that ballpark. I keep posting the link but it gets deleted. Go look for yourself. They're out there, but won't be for long.

[@deathcab4booty]

the real answer to this is an end of the run 200 Series Land Cruiser Heritage Edition.

[@jowarrior]

Go to autotempest look for 911 turbo, manual, set the mileage under 41k and have at it. There are at least 3 under 100k and there are many many below 120k I’m sure they are open to negotiation.

[@115jwalker]

I’m biased but a 355 Spider should be pretty safe money under 100k right now if you inform yourself on how to not get violated by maintenance bills

[@TheLoopmeister]

Matt out of touch on GTS pricing. It’s significantly more expensive.

[@RichardFermion]

I see what you're getting at but the new price wasn't going to keep any of the buyers from getting into one. Remember what "x" car used to cost?? It's unfortunate but this is the market we are living in mate.

[@jeffsmith9651]

Agree. $25K difference is not “pretty close”

[@flech3025]

I feel like a big reason that in the US we have such a boring selection of car colors is that dealers are the ones configuring and ordering most cars. It's done differently in the UK and while boring colors are still popular there more, more interesting colored cars being sold in the UK

[@craig42069]

In-period the top speed of the F1 was always reported as 231. There was a magazine, maybe c&d or R&t that had a 2-teen test they performed. The Andy Wallace 240 test never got any attention until many years later, well after the values of the cars started to take off

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

I wonder why Porsche decided to call this a hybrid? Like, I know technically it's a hybrid, but not in the traditional sense. Or the way most of us think of "hybrid" cars and trucks. So why call it a hybrid and take on all that baggage and rely on journalists to say...."wait, wait wait, it's actually really good!" Why not say, "here's the new 911 and it's got some really interesting new tech...."

[@victorvaughn2]

lol. this reminds me of the SNL skit of Californians debating about freeways.

[@uncledriver4054]

1:20:30 C6 ZR1even though in 2019 a 60k is now a 90k car. Not sure if they will soften like other stuff in the market given they are all manual.

[@nickjohnson1111]

Yes, 100% motorcyclists notice a difference in shifter feel. Try riding an old boxer BMW or harley and then switch to a modern anything from Japan, there is a huge difference. The overall feel of the controls, clutch, brake, throttle, all make up part of the experience and you can absolutely tell a difference. Even between the same manufacturer, there can be stark differences. I did a Yamaha demo day once a rode an MT-10 and R1S back to back, and it was night and day, the controls on the R1 were infinitely better than the MT-10.

[@stotheh]

Got to keep a base model Carrera with a manual. Got to.

[@vvevvevvvv]

I feel like basic Carrera and Carrera S will be quite good. Because they're receiving the bigger turbochargers from the previuos gen GTS. You can already do easy 500hp 992.1 with the simple remap. With the 992.2 it will be more for sure. And you can have it with the manual gearbox.

[@waclosh]

I don't think you can put a regular battery in a Bentley. And I am positive you can not drop it in yourself. Even older cars of much plainer descent have to get a new battery coded to the car. The car will not realize it has to handle the battery differently if you do not do that and your new badly installed battery will leave you stranded in less than a year. BMW 5 series come to mind.

[@clubracer6]

The 992.2 might drive great, but having one of them out of warranty sounds frightening. Same can be said for so many cars I guess.

[@edkwon]

I agree with Matt on people who only buy secondhand having a vote in how new production cars are configured. What options cars come with are largely dictated by NEW CAR BUYERS because that's basically how goods economics work, anyone who complains that system is not fair to secondhand buyers are being obtuse.

[@andrewhurstcars]

In the days of a 2,450kg BMW M5, a Porsche 911 hybrid under 1,600kg is a fine achievement.

[@Elva815]

more crew shows for us fuck yeah

[@MrPde27]

technically you did build a daily 911 years ago. Still think that safari was awesome.

[@liffei420]

I highly suspect that the same Porsche purists screaming about this hybrid are the same ones that screamed when they went from air to water cooled.

[@HenryStan]

The Peterson Museum drive is just as bad at Porsche Santa Clarita. 10/2 on the steering wheel doing nothing on a freeway. Then parking at another warehouse/cement building with iphones/kids everywhere. First world problems but I prefer the canyons/mountains/Newcombs. There’s no comparison. Have fun in a straight line and then red light to red light.

[@DaBaltimoron]

Says shut up about bullshit tickets at cars & coffee; starts every episode sponsored by a company you pay to get out of tickets.

[@herbaljedi]

Brekkie Car Club Represesnt baby

[@fraserwright9482]

Donnie update : The owner of a Black Testarossa that is still in the hanger with 10 other cars is according to Donnie's lawyer "in a million pieces" is now unable to get access and with other cars in dispute with who officially owns the car as this is also claimed by Donnie as his own, plus other people who removed cars have taken their own pound of flesh for money outstanding which may or may not be Donnie's or a customers car. As the Testarossa was leased and the owner himself handed him the keys this is also complicating things. There is also a grouping of owners of the remaining cars as it is a rental hanger the risk is the landlord ceases things if rent is not paid and the ongoing $4mil that the Belgian wants. They have been told that it could take up to 2 years to get their property back at the moment in Arizona.

[@clc2328]

So Porsche finally brought KERS to their hybrid street system. Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes should be embarrassed since they have F1 experience with it. On the other hand nobody really wants the AMG 63 4-cyl, thank God Merc saw the light.

[@realablesafe9337]

Hybrid GT3 is gonna be crazy😤

[@MikesLARE]

LA law - Enforce parking laws during harmless cars and coffee gatherings….LA street take overs……*crickets*

[@RealBearFace]

I think the question about the take rates of new manuals and buying used manual cars needs a bit more to it. If you had the money to buy a manual Ferrari but got the auto instead and then complain about Ferrari not making new manuals then yes, you have no place to complain. But if you dont have the money to buy new but you can buy a manual thats maybe a few years old to get in on the hobby then i think you have the right to complain a bit about manual options.

[@mm499-l5w]

its so crazy how much elon musk hate effecting matt's personal life

[@shobin05]

To be fair, elon musk is a very hatable person.

[@sheriff801]

It’s funny how Porsche gets so much press about an electric starter motor making start stop seamless but Volvo and I believe bmw have been doing it for years

[@vvevvevvvv]

I think you are talking about integrated starter-generator. But the GTS doesn't have neither starter nor generator.

[@MrMattotoole]

The 911 T-Hybrid is basically the Corvette E-Ray for Porsche

[@vvevvevvvv]

Not really. It doesn't have an electric motor to drive from wheels.

[@DaBaltimoron]

Cops have better things to do than come to a cars and coffee and give tickets for parking in the dirt.

[@politicalcomedy9634]

TRUMP 24

[@kcw9313]

Garbage

[@DieselFuelNetwork]

Matt always projecting. He's lying to himself if he doesn't see that the cybertruck looks exactly like a Countach truck. If the CT was actually the Urus, it wouldn't be so hated.

[@vvevvevvvv]

Urus is not good. It's an audi q8, basically.

[@DieselFuelNetwork]

@vvevvevvvv True that it's a Q8. I'm just saying that the cybertruck looks like a Lamborghini truck. And I think it looks a lot like a Countach, which is funny because Matt hates it so much. I think Matt is mad because 5 years ago on Joe Rogan, he said it would never go into production, and he was wrong. 😆😆😆

[@vvevvevvvv]

@@DieselFuelNetwork He admitted tha he was wrong but he also wasn't. Cyberpunktruck can only be built and sold in the USA, where you guys have almost little to no regulations regarding pedestrian safety. Also, cybertruck looks like a Lamborghini truck only because they are both trucks and have 4 wheels. LM002 was initially designed as a military vehicle. Cybertruck has been imagined by Elon as a child between the Delorian and F-150.

[@DieselFuelNetwork]

@vvevvevvvv not to just keep going back and forth, but i love the LM002. I wasn't comparing it to that. To me, the styling of the CT looks vaguely like a Lamborghini Countach. Very vaguely, lol. In the sense that it's a simple wedge design with a short front, and it looks like it could have been a mid-engine truck. I will admit I like the CT strictly because it doesn't look like anything else. Everything looks the same now. That said, I also like the Rivian for the same reason, and it's much better looking than CT.

[@vercingetorige400]

@@DieselFuelNetwork you're right about the CT shape similarities with the countach, looking back at the cammisa response I think they both agree that it ain't the colletive best to put a blunt 7000 lbs shining beast on the road even if what made it possible it's cool

[@Miccio1]

It's funny when Matt uses his joe biden whisper voice.