9900k vs 8700k - When is the 9900k Relevent?

[@mrhappy5789]

8700k 4.8ghz is amazing. 280mm rad with fans at a low 1000rpm. Cool quiet and fast af

[@Hunikengt]

8700K in my EVOC laptop running at 4.7GHz and FS score of 19728.

[@Hunikengt]

@@BloodBoughtMinistries My chip is from Silicon Lottery rated at 5.2GHz and it is delidded too, I just use it like that for daily stuff unless I want to benchmark at higher clocks ;) My laptop is the EVOC G-1080 or AKA Tornado F5 from Eurocom.

[@Henningberlin94]

8700k (312,99€ from march 2018, now would cost 450€) delidded with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal on Noctua NH-D15 with 5,1 Ghz on all cores at 1,39 V here. BF1 below 70 degrees. Not possible with 9900k. --> 8700k is better for gaming than 9900k. 9900k (700€ Tray, 800€ boxed) only for multi tasking and with custom water cooling and not for that price. 9900k is worth 450€ and gets sold for 800€ boxed.

[@madararinneganuchiha]

Mine is overclocked to 5.2GHz@1.38V using nzxt X62 280mm radiator.

[@Henningberlin94]

@@madararinneganuchiha hmmm interesting... 5,2 Ghz was not possible below 1,4 V for me...

[@gaiustrollius9920]

I'd still go for the 8700k. The 9900k shows that Intel has reached the limit of the ring bus architecture. It's far too inefficient for a slight core speed bump and a couple of extra cores. The 8700k is still a great choice, both for gaming and for productivity.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

9900k beats 8700k in every single workload. i smell 8700k owner.

[@xxVanos]

@@Dr.WhetFarts Sure it does, but at what cost? The price difference between both processors can be put into much better upgrades, since at 1440p gaming there is no difference. Proud 8700k owner here. :)

[@n.i.5381]

@@Dr.WhetFarts Stock maybe. But try OCing your 9900K to all cores at 5GHz using air cooling. Not gonna happen. Games don't give a crap about core count, only per core clocks. So while "out of the box" stats may be better for the 9900K I have to ask you this: why would you buy a K model and leave it stock?

[@Alex11223l2]

A lot of people don't OC, or not to 5GHz. OC adds heat and may decrease stability, some performance increase not always worth it. Buying K and not OCing makes sense in previous generations because the price difference is often small and K has a bit higher stock clocks (and iirc a bit more cache sometimes?). And for 9900/9700 there are only K versions.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

@@n.i.5381 you are clueless, many people hit 5ghz on 9900k on air. im running my 9900k at 5.2 ghz using kraken x62 which is barely better than noctua nh-d15. it's so funny to read comments about 9900k from people with absolutely no experience with it. i have overclocked 2x 9900k, 1x 9700k and 1x 9600k so far, every single one overclocks better than 8th gen without needing to delid. there's a 100% chance of hitting 5 ghz on 9th gen without voiding warrenty, the end. in every single review - air cooling or not - they hit 5 ghz minimum. that can not be said about 8th gen and the piss poor tim. remove it and warrenty is down the toilet. besides, i do tons of stuff on my pc, not only gaming and there's games that like many cores. hell crysis 3 is 5 years old now and scales well above 6c/12t. more cores = higher minimums / less fps dips. the 6c i5's have already started to show issues when paired with high-end gpu's, hyperthreading saves the 8700k, for now...

[@guyincognito566]

I'll get a 9900k when I move to Antarctica.

[@godzillahn]

OR a custom loop :D

[@alexsimon443]

That will cause the Global Warming

[@nothing4922]

Alex Simon you won the internet

[@dnsean03]

It's not really that hott if you have a good chip

[@karlwalker1771]

lol THAT COMMENT MADE BUZZ ALDRIDGE SAY"THE WORLD IS IN DANGER" LOL global warming is real, pmsl :)

[@timsonxx]

In Germany the i9 9900k is barely available and when you find it, it is about double the price of the i7 8700k. It is way more expensive than the i7 7820x

[@brkbtjunkie]

Tim Son it’s hardly available in the US as well

[@robertp457]

Tim Son it’s the same in the US as well.

[@gigel99324]

Tim Son i can get one for 600€

[@sergeyivanovish85]

650€ in belgium local store 9 in stock.. i'm doubting :( 8700k or the 9900k.. need to know it fast because my 2080ti strix oc is coming this week. pfff :(

[@WGAPGaming]

Sticking with my 8700k and 8086k. Don’t need new central heating yet 😂

[@darkheart333hotmail3]

Funny how things change. Now intel has the hard to tame hot running cpus. Amds now run cool. The irony in it all.

[@WGAPGaming]

I know I also have a ryzen 5 1600 which I love not only for its low operating temps but it’s performance for its price. I always advise people to go ryzen these days as they compete with intel a lot more then previous amd processors

[@raulitrump460]

run intel on 4.2 like amd and no heat problem and same power usage

[@oscarcerqueiro4038]

@@darkheart333hotmail3 but with amd you dont have a cool box :O

[@kingster3835]

R.O.E - why not? Winter is coming :D

[@jankerson1]

Been running my 9900K at 5 GHz MCE on Air (NH D15) since I got it (11/19) and it doesn't run hot nor am I having any issues with it. MB is the AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 with the F7 BIOS (F10 and F11 have issues with extremely high VCORE). Maybe the issues people are having are due to the Z390 Chipset MB's.....??? As a side note the F10 and F11 BIOS also ran extremely high VCORE with the 8086K..... Gigabyte is aware of the problem with the BIOS F10 and F11. www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3826088/9900k-ghz-temps-running-prime-air-cooling.html

[@loquacious1956]

I ended up going with a 9700K which I have overclocked to 5.1 Ghz in an Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero motherboard and it is running well.

[@ITMann]

Nice video. Good honest comparison. You kept it simple and to the point. That’s all we tech hobbyists, gamers, PC users want, an unbiased opinion and free of any sponsorship. Thank you !.

[@atonfoabdoul-aziz7834]

Even for productivity, I willl consider a 8700k for the price specs performance...

[@MrDeepSound]

My 7700k is still enjoying the show! Great video Bryan!

[@RonaldoFan-zz9rk]

great cpu, would keep it for 3-5 more years if i had one

[@RonaldoFan-zz9rk]

@Salt Maker You'll need to show me where I said that it would last 3 to 5 more years because that's absolutely not what I said if you look closely. 7700k would last me 5 more years from today because I have a specific use case (I play older games) and low standards. On that note though, 7700k will run games for the next 5 and more years, just not optimally and that's where everyone's personal standards come in, some will be fine with the performance, some won't.

[@RonaldoFan-zz9rk]

@Salt Maker "Great cpu, it will play games for 3-5 more years easily" vs "it would last ME for 3-5 years". If you don't see the difference between the two, it's your problem. I added to explain exactly what I meant to YOU, because you didn't understand my message, not because I felt like my message was unclear. Just because it would serve me for 3-5 years, doesn't mean it would serve others as long, it's not mutually inclusive. I merely said I would be fine with this cpu for that long but you took it the wrong way and yet you seem to be somewhat condescending

[@RonaldoFan-zz9rk]

@Salt Maker dude I don't care, peace

[@Schattennebel]

Why don´t you compare the i7 9700K and the 8700K? Wouldn´t this make more sense? ._.

[@thesuperheroes951]

It’s literally the same chip

[@HarleyBreakoutGuy]

i got i7 8700k should i go i9 9900k upgrade?

[@fred0000]

Today I upgraded from the 8700k to the 9900k, very happy so far

[@lacucaracha111111]

the 9900k is a Non CPU -Too expensive for its plattform -Too hot for its platform -Basically a workstation CPU on z390 the 8700k + liquid metal+ delid kit + NDH15 Is still cheaper than a 9900k in europe

[@TheAssafp10]

what a bullcrap, not that hot at all, a beast of a cpu, I overclock it easily to 5.0GHz WITH 32C ON IDLE 77C on full load, and I paid for it 100$ more than 8700k and it worth it

[@octapc]

@@TheAssafp10 show us where because I see a $75 discrepancy minimum

[@lacucaracha111111]

@@TheAssafp10 Where are you? A CPU factory?

[@markuaw1]

@@TheAssafp10 my 8700k is a silicone lottery winner it's a beast after a delid with a 360 aio i get 5.3 GHz with a AVX offset ( 2 ) at 1.42 Vcore /// 5.2 GHz with a AVX offset ( 1 ) at 1.35 Vcore /// 5.0 GHz with a AVX offset ( 0 ) at 1.23 Vcore so i'am more then happy with it

[@TheAssafp10]

@@octapc Im from Israel and the 8700k costs 1800nis and I bought 9900k for 2400nis its 600 difference and 160 dollar in exchange. For me its worth it. No need to delid or anything, and easy to overclock

[@christopherday3923]

I9 9900k @5.2 Ghz 1.3v - 1.344v LLC2 on a MSI MEG GODLIKE Here.. Benchmarks temps - 80's, gaming high 60's low 70's.. I did delid it when I first got it, sanded it down and added liquid metal 👍 I'm on a EK custom hard loop 360 Rad set up. Great vid as always 🙌

[@enterthebully9968]

You're living the dream my friend.

[@n.i.5381]

Why not just get an 8086K that can match or beat those clocks on air cooling without having to do totally ridiculous things like sanding your silicone down?

[@christopherday3923]

Lol I had a 8086k delidded at 5.3Ghz and I wouldn't say you can match that in terms of it air... This has 2 more cores and pulls a fair bit more wattage on a Msi MEG Godlike than my 8086k ever did!

[@jakegarrett8109]

@@christopherday3923 Very nice! Did you see any fps difference? (I assume you're running duel RTX 2080ti) I do more workstation stuff, so my main build is Threadipper 1950X (sometime I'll get a 2990WX or whatever thing they come out next) and soon to be 4x R9 Fury with 2x SuperNova1300w in a Halloween build (I'll have LN2 cooling for a fog effect on "ThreadREAPER" for the video). The 4x Fury will have hard-line cooling, but I kind of wanted to do copper pipes with patina finish so it matches the hand-made vampire style casket I'm doing for my case, but I think regular PTEG pipes will look good enough. This is going to run 4k and triple 4k gaming (haha, my Titan Xp collectors edition was a joke at everything besides Fortnite, which did 67 fps at 4k, hence I'm going over 2x the firepower). I like my crossfire builds, they are stupid powerful compared to any single GPU (and most of my games not only support it, but get amazing scaling, so hey, that works for me!)

[@christopherday3923]

@@jakegarrett8109 Yeah I'm rocking 2 2080 Ti's with the I9 9900k. I have a 1950x duel 1080 Ti build also, I am a bit mad like that 🤣 The Fps bump is there, but ever so slight for gaming, as higher res equals the playing field for Cpus out as you know.. The Threadripper 1950x of course beats out the i9 9900k for rendering, and stuff like that in general as it's a great chip :) I'm just a enthusiast and love benchmarking etc with new tech :)

[@FLUFFSQUEAKER]

Uhm isnt it 'relevant' ?

[@davidlugarov9685]

Hi, I'd like to point out there's a little typo in the title (relevant*). Otherwise, nice job with the video.

[@RocketLR]

Got a i9 9900k 4 cores clocked to 5.1ghz and 4 5ghz cores. Water cooler kraken x62, i am not having any thermal issues.

[@jamesleicher]

what's your thoughts on i7 9700k ?

[@threecats8219]

The 9900K videos like this, make me feel lucky for having bought the 8700K.

[@azokyz8477]

What about a i7 7820x? It seems to be very close to the i9 9900k and they are the same price? What are you're thoughts?

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

9900k rapes 7820x.

[@Harv88]

Your thoughts on pairing a 8700k with a Z390 motherboard? Wondering which mobos you would go with, I had maximus xi hero in mind but found it's a 4 phase, I'm liking the price of the Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Master. I have a 9900k pre-order with Amazon for $530 but they're out of stock and no estimate on when i'll get it, so I don't want to wait forever, as I'm set on just getting the 8700k after waiting 3 weeks for a possible 9900k...… I have a rtx 2080 MSI Gaming X Trio and NZXT KrakenX72 sitting in boxes awaiting for the rest of my parts to build my PC

[@digitalintellect9870]

That's a dope motherboard Watch Steve of Hardware Unboxed take on some enthusiast z390 motherboards kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJ2kdmaGnLyiiMU

[@Harv88]

thanks :)

[@karatechuck6536]

I'm having a hard time figuring out what closed liquid cooling system I want to go with? Do you have a video comparing all the closed liquid cooling systems? Or do do you have a recommendation? My setup will be EVGA FTW z370, 8700K i7 unlocked, 16GB RAM, SSD M.2 250 GB and a 1TB hard drive. I wasn't planning on overclocking it but I want to have the ability to do so if I ever want to. I'm still unsure about a case too.... hahah so if you have a video on that too please send my way

[@vMaxHeadroom]

I have a very similar setup with the 8700K and I am using the Corsair H150i 360mm AIO and can only sing it's praises. Keeps my 8700K even at 5GHz cool and runs very quietly though any decent 240/280mm AIO will also do the job. As to a case with max airflow the H500P Mesh is a good option but looks are subject...

[@fucksereinstrucotrs1711]

Karate Chuck I’ll do you a favor I build pc’s all the time I’ll tell you the ones you should look at , the best of the best is the thermaltake 280mm or 360mm , and the best value one is the EVGA 280mm , honestly I would save money and get the EVGA 280mm , check em out

[@johntotten4872]

Check Gamers Nexus channel, has a lot of videos comparing different AIOs. I am using Phanteks Ethoo Pro M tempered glass case and really love it. Good air flow and fits everything nicely. Best of luck.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

I can highly recommend the H150i Pro that I use to cool my 8700K and it is very good at cooling and is quiet but it is a 360mm AIO. The H115i Pro is smaller at 280mm but still great at cooling. Guru3d does great in depth reviews on the Corsair but he has many other CLC cooler reviews as well.. www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h150i_pro_review,13.html

[@karatechuck6536]

@@vMaxHeadroom thank you! I was actually looking at those too! Haha Awesome!

[@OllyMillMill]

Sorry if this is a silly question but where does the i7 9700k come in this comparison?

[@colinparks619]

I game a lot and also. Music production I have an 8700k atm and debating an i9 9900k. Will it fit on my motherboard z370 and give me a noticeable render speed increase?

[@jasongooden917]

Winter is coming, I need a heater.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

then buy amd vega.

[@_fatalruin]

There aren't many videos comparing the 9700k to the 8700k. Should price on the 9700 come down to the 8700k would those two extra physical cores be a better gaming solution?

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

9700k is better for gaming and most stuff.

[@daemon3spade]

can you lock some of the cores of the i9? and put load on specific cores? that way other cores can be prioritiez and faster clock speeds plus less thermals.. im trying to upgrade my i7-8700(nonK) in 2021. Reasonm for upgrading Need faster single core cpu and same socket no need trouble to fresh install and trouble of selling-off the the whole cpu. I also just got a 3080Ti so cpu upgrade could help with maybe the minor bottleneck.. is this a good move?

[@subhamoysen1322]

already got the i9 9900k .. with AIO and 360mm rad it idles around 35; and gaming around 55-60; and 100% all core stress test around 70;(stock) ::: OC to 5GHZ then 36-40 idle; 60-65 gaming; and 75-78-80; stress test. In India in non ac conditions..

[@markuaw1]

just used for gaming i have a i7 8700k delid running 5.2ghz on 1.36volts adaptive, with RTX 2080 Ti Ftw3 Ultra, is it worth upgrading the CPU at this point? to a 9700K or 9900K or not worth it

[@Gtrskyline899]

This whole year from Intel and NVIDIA is a bust for me . This is the First yeah I haven't upgraded to the absolute latest and greatest over priced heater and a failing gfx card . Sticking with the 8700k/1080ti

[@robertp457]

G'day Mate the 9900k and the 2080 ti are still the best processors and GPU neither are a space heater or a failing device. They are just priced way more than anyone was expecting and in the case on the 20 series it’s not worth the price until games take advantage of the RRX features.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

not sure why you write this crap. do you upgrade every year? 9900k/2080ti beats 8700k/1080ti with ease tho.

[@Gtrskyline899]

Yup I usually upgrade once a year. Yes the 2080ti F.E boards are failing.

[@jakegarrett8109]

@@Dr.WhetFarts I've upgraded over 10 GPUs since my first computer in 2015 (I like crossfire is why its so many, when my new build is going to be 4x, well you get why...). I'd also upgrade to duel RTX 2080ti, but the drivers on my Titan Xp collectors edition were awful. I basically used it for 2 months, and then went back to my old 2x R9 Fury because the Fury cards were more stable, way less noise (sheesh, you need hearing protection on the stock cooler!), and did better fps in most of my games, so I saw no reason to downgrade to a $1200 GPU. Unfortunately, I've tested the Titan recently, and the drivers are worse than before for me... No refunds after day 30, so screw it, its going on the LN2 deathbed system, it's been huge waste of my time (money is meh, but time is something I don't like wasted!)

[@gomezalejandrog]

It's what I got!

[@shhhvcnear]

What about a comparison between a 9700k vs 8700k? Similar price range, but each have their own advantages. Thanks for your videos

[@mcgman8058]

On My 9900KI am using a 280 radiator AIO. I am running XMT and MCEWithout problems on the latest bios onOn the maximis 11 extreme. My cores or at 5 GHzBut I do at times see them move down to 4.9 GHz. I am guessing this is MCE controlling the clocks on its own. Let me know what you think maybe I should push for horror benchmarks to see if the system will blue screen. Just FYI I am fairly new to PC builds this is my 2nd one. On my 1st I also use MCE and XMT on my 8700K. I do not have the experience yet to manually over Clock. What should I be on the look out for running these 2 settings on my 9900K?

[@riebread13]

Amazon shipped my 9900k! Should be getting it monday.

[@teensuicide9103]

Has your house burned down yet?

[@BuffaloWarrior7]

Still sticking with my 4790K for the foreseeable future. DDR4 is just too expensive to make any upgrades justifiable for me

[@MrAwol007]

100% TRUE

[@Ohmz27]

3770k + Z77 here too. Still going strong :)

[@johntotten4872]

Great info Bryan. I grabbed the 8086k and super happy with it. I delidded, set 5 Ghz and use 360mm AIO and no issues. I can easily go 5.2 Ghz but keep it at 5.0 to keep temps nice and low. 6c12t is the sweet spot for me.

[@Magiiicko]

Can you swap the IHS from i7 8700k and put it on i9 9900k to check if temprature will drop?

[@lostpacket]

fuck no!!

[@cryptonaut5269]

Well I have a 9700k in order on amazon, but they’re sold out and idk when they’re gonna stock, the cpu is all I need for the build... should I wait or just get the 8700k?

[@100PCTMAGS]

great video as always bryan

[@rgl4665]

I run a 9900k overclocked to 5.0 , temps hardly go above 70c on aida64. Running a H150i pro cooling. At 5.2 it gets closet to 75-80c so I left it at 5. Runs good and cool

[@SolidSpear6]

I have an i7 4790k so I was thinking of getting the i9 9900k but keep reading it has heat issues and my friend says I dont really need an i9 and can get i7 8700k instead. I am a huge gamer though so what should I do?

[@samspace81]

I delidded my 8700K and am stable at 5.1ghz, run 65c rendering video max, couldn't be happier! Delidding was key. I use a Noctua DH-15S air cooler

[@jpcrin]

Both CPUs far to expensive here in the UK.

[@WGAPGaming]

john perason yes I paid £300 for my 8700k and £370 for my 8086k. They are now both over £400 in the uk. Ryzen is the way to go as the market currently stands

[@wintermuteukeastek7510]

@@WGAPGaming i bought 9700k for £305 on fb forum mate...last week...and 8600k for £205 brand new...depens where you are searching..but today i paid £600 for 9900k on novatech website..it say cpu will be here this tue but fuck knows:)))all is going mental with intel...amd as winter is coming why not to get new heating:)))lol

[@WGAPGaming]

Ales ZIMA I was talking new I don’t buy second hand parts

[@wintermuteukeastek7510]

@@WGAPGaming yes i was talking about brand new parts...not second hand..brand new sealed cpu's...

[@DeanSmith84]

8700k was pretty on launch (£300)

[@jondoe19896091]

if im not mistaken the 9000 series uses a soldered IHS rather than the toothpaste thermal paste. Good for people who arent comfortable delidding, but also want good OC temps

[@kx250fforlife]

I just bought a 9900k and installer it yesterday, havent overclocked it yet. I'm thinking I'll probably do a 4.7 or 4.8 overclock. I have the kraken. X52 (240mm) rad. Well see how I do. Trying to keep it modest.

[@huauau]

hey could you guys give me opinion on the i7-8700k vs the i7-9700k at the current state? iam upgrading from a amd rtx-8350 . in germany right now 9700k is only 20€ more expensive than 8700k (999k 150 more than 8700k).Iam a big fan especially of big open world games that are known to be more cpu than gpu heavy. Which is better for gaming and streaming? 9700k has no hyperthreading. Please no recommandations for AMD.

[@fpshooterful]

HEY, thank you for this review, you saved me money, and now i am going to get 8700k. Like seriously leaving now to get the 8700k.

[@chriscab8333]

@@jcgobrowns8346 I have it and run ultra wide 3440x1440. Just did the delid and got 5.1 pretty much on par with my buddy's 9900k gaming we both have 2080ti's

[@kinkychad69]

@@chriscab8333 Does this have warranty for failure.

[@MaestroOfficial]

bryan what would be the cheapest z370 board u recommend for oc the 8700k?

[@charlesnix8314]

Just going to hang on to my 6700K and 1070Ti, it just works.

[@vlad.the.impaler.]

Lol same here. Just gonna stick to my i7 2600k + gtx 970

[@iant8307]

Lol, you read my mind

[@UHDGamers-re2xj]

Same sticking with my 6700k and 1080ti

[@81Mendel]

And Yet Everything Just Works Here Because Ray Tracing Just Works Everything Just Works Contact Hardening Just Works The Umbra Works Thepenudrawars Everything Just Works

[@tof1998]

Same...6700K OC to 4.6...with a 1070...it has never failed me ...

[@JsGarage]

I’d you’re buying now, the 9700K is the best all rounder. If you already have an 8700K and expected a real upgrade this year I’m not sure what you’re smoking. Not sure why people expect real upgrade solutions year over year. Just enjoy the 8700K you got last year and be happy it will be a great performer for a few years to come.

[@leightaylor8069]

i7-8700 non-K is what I have at the moment. I'm not into overclocking (I prefer to keep power consumption, heat, size and noise down) and it's a pretty decent CPU. Shame about all the price increases so I'm not buying any more Intel processors at the moment and reusing what I have. Built a reasonable gaming rig for my son for uni as follows. Gigabyte GA-Z77N-wifi itx motherboard - reused Xeon E3 1240 v2 - used from eBay - running at stock like i7-3770 but no integrated GPU so lower heat generation 2 x 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3 1600MHz Ram - reused Gigabyte GTX 1060 3GB mini - used from eBay Noctua L9x65 cpu cooler - reused Silverstone Sugo SG05 mini itx case - reused SanDisk Plus 240 GB SDD - reused Be quiet! BN227 400w SFX PSU - new from Amazon Corsair ML120 Pro magnetic levitation bearing case fan - new from Amazon ASUS VG248QE 24 inch Widescreen LED Multimedia 3D Monitor 1920 x 1080, 144 Hz, 1 ms - new from Amazon USB bluetooth dongle - reused He loves it. It's really satisfying to bring together an effective small form factor PC mixing older and new components. It's not silent (that's the trade off with the smaller case), but it is reasonably quiet.

[@meco9662]

Makes me wonder if you are comparing delided 8700k to out of the box 9900k?

[@zbeast]

I need power and lot's of it... so heat I is not an issue for me... I just don't feel like playing overclocking wars with my computer. I do 3d sculpting and animation.... video editing also... I have zero interest in computer drag racing ... I just want stuff that's fast that works.

[@mrratchet]

I need help - Is the 9900k worth the performance over the 8700k? I want to stream and game only on a single PC. Currently, I am using a 2600k and I am due an upgrade next month. I just want to make sure if I was to invest in the 9900k if it is actually going to make a substantial difference or not. Otherwise, i'll get the 8700k. Thanks all.

[@qazyman]

I don't know about relevance, but my i9-9900k is a beast. 4.9 out of the box. 2.49v and temps below 70. I'm overclocking as I type, but 5 with good temps isn't an issue.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

my 9900k runs 5.2 ghz using kraken x62 on asrock taichi. no problem. most people that cry about high temps are simply butthurt with no experience with 9th gen. 9900k hits 5 ghz super easy. i have tried 8700k's that couldn't hit 5 ghz at all.

[@qazyman]

@@Dr.WhetFarts - Yeah mine will run 5.2 no issue. It takes 4v to run OCCT or Aida64 but the temps are still low. 60-70. It will boot 5.3 but it wont run it. I'm using the Taichi and an EVGA 280. The highest temp I've seen during all my OC is mid 80's.

[@narfsc2657]

Well i would have a usecase for the 9900k. It has one thing that no other CPU has. It has 8cores 16threads while having an IGPU. So if i could figure out a way to cool it properly while being in a HTPC-Case i would try to use it as a streaming + "small editing" rig without a GPU, but not only cooling is an issue, i also dont know if the IGPU is strong enough as standalone to stream via OBS' Software Encoding (x264) without a massive performance drop or stuttering since it really takes up some GPU ressources aswell.

[@waynster830]

Yeah i will just hang on to my 8700k with ROG Strix Z370 E Gaming mobo and MSI gaming x 1080 Ti and my Ryzen 2700x with x470 Auros gaming 7 Wifi mobo with Gigabyte Gtx 1080 ,a bit of both worlds no complaints.

[@marcoferrara3212]

What about having to deal with delidding? 8700 is really hot if you don't delid it and if you want to have a high clock speed with an accectable noise level

[@ap74249]

i play escape from tarkov and I can run run 9900k at 5.2 ghz to up its framerate considerably. It runs at max at 51c on a single core with AVX running. I still have it set to turbo up and down though, so i'm only burning 71w while playing

[@CrowleyRises]

Sad that you couldn't get a 5.0ghz OC with a 240mm AIO with the 9900k. I can get my 9900k easily to 5.1 under air using a Dark Rock Pro 4. That's running Prime95 for several hours and staying under 80C. At 5.0 it barely breaks 70C at certain points usually staying in upper 60's... Also the wattage you are showing is a lot more than I am experiencing. You might want to try testing different voltages to keep your temps down. Also you aren't taking into account the fact that future games will start using more cores especially since so many people have adopted Ryzen which also now has 8-cores and 16 threads.

[@505Goat]

Delidded 8700k at 5.3ghz is what I currently run, planned on getting a 9900k, but have changed my mind as of late. I'll stick with the 8700k for now, but if there is a decent price drop I may go for the 9900k later down the road

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar4201]

WTF WHERE DID YOU FIND A $505 8700k AUD in Australia??? All I can find are $589 8700k here in Sydney.

[@strixnumbezzedz7837]

I had the option between the 9900k, 9700k and 8700k, I wanted to go with the 8700k as it has 8 cores but I couldn’t find it anywhere online, so I went with the 8700k. After hearing what you had to say about the 9th gens though, I’m more than happy that I went with 8700k cuz I wanted my pc to be cool and silent, not an overheating junk.

[@binarycrowd2948]

Hi I need some advice. Going to the uk late december and i'm trying to build a mini itx build.(budget around 600 pounds).

[@bobhumplick4213]

yes but at what speed are you running the ring bus on these chips. the standard for the 8700k is like 4ghz or so while the 9900k runs it much higher at stock. try both running at around 4.4ghz and you pretty much take the ring bus out of the equation. and the performance wont be that much difference with the lower ring speeds. but at the end of the day the ring bus isnt really responsible for why this chip is hotter. its just the fact that there are 33% more cores. soldering helps better than just having stock paste but really you could get better performance from the i9 if it had been pasted and only as thick as the 8700k and then delidded. they made the i9 twice as thick as the 8700k and the extra thickness is an oxide layer (maybe dioxide?) that doesnt conduct heat as well as pure silicon. this makes the cpu trap heat more. if the i9 had been made at the same thickness as the 8700k and pasted then you would see that the i9 only puts out about 33% more heat than the 8700k because it has 33% more cores. its the way the chip is made and the extra thickness that makes it seem hotter. not really the ring bus. and for the power figures the hotter a chip is the more power it draws even at the same voltage and clocks etc. the fact that the i9 is running hotter makes it draw more power. i saw large drops in power when i delidded my 8700k and the same would be true for this one, more so even. so its really not the ring bu. if the chip was made the same thickness etc as the 8700k and you set the ring\llc to the same speeds and ran the same clocks and voltages as the 8700k it would be only about 33% more power which it should be becasue there are 33% more cores. and yes it does take more voltage possibly for 2 chips of the same quality level but how do you know they are the same quality level for one thing and for another the higher voltage is needed because of the heat trapping effects of the thicker chip\solder. the real problem with a ring bus is that latency increases past about 8 or 10 cores. its fine for 8 or 10 but more and you start to see higher latency. and the answer is either to add more rings or run them at insane clock speeds. both of which make the heat and power go up. thats where the ring bus really started to get a rep as being more power hungry. for an 8 core chip its still within the meaty part of the efficiency curve for the ring but, just at the upper end of it though. just my 2 cents take it for what its worth. im fine with the 8700k delidded for awhile. in a couple years if i can find an i9 cheap then sure why not. just drop it in my current system which is nice. i just wish it wasnt soldered. i was never one to be complaining about it. i delidded my 8700k with a shaving razor in about 30 seconds. it was stupidly easy and as long as you just worked it in slowly and didnt gouge the pcb. work it in each corner and then a bit on each side and then twist.

[@TweeZerLEWIS]

Is the 9700K a better comparison for the 8700K despite the lack of hyper threading?

[@requiem5179]

9700k here. This thing even on CLC heats my living room this winter. I dont even turn on the thermostat for my furnace. It's both a gaming CPU and space heater. Bonus!

[@MyChannel-hn2hr]

Is a used gtx 1070 for $300aud a good deal?

[@dsmdallas2466]

HELP< QUESTION: INTEL VS AMD

[@DevTheBigManUno]

Loving the Retro intro.

[@treloarw]

So it doesn’t seem like the 9900k is going to run xplane 11 any better than my current 8700k @5ghz. I’m trying to improve things for better performance with “maximum objects” anyone have any advice or first hand experience?

[@bryantallen703]

I have the i7 8700K at 5GHz 1.250v with a ZALMAN CNPS 9900MAX cooler, rated to 300watts. I have nothing against using liquid but a premium air cooler is a viable option. I seen a double tower Assassin III DEEPCOOL monster air cooler that can handle the 9900K at 5GHz.

I have the 8700K and I am getting the 9900K tomorrow. I'll see what the temp difference is but I'm not that worried about it. I don't see either CPU hitting max temps while gaming, even on air cooling, so the point is moot.

[@BigTime817]

I'm going with the 8086k on a msi meg ace. I will be deliding for quiet operation.

[@hauntedlolita666]

Which CPU has better VRChat performance?

[@johnnyrebellion8672]

Top this. Delidded 8700K 5.0ghz at 1.26vdc. Max 75C on Cinebench and Furmark CPU burner all on a relatively small Noctua NH-L12S 70mm. No NH-D15 or Water Cooling needed.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

cool story, i'd still rather have a 9900k for 33% more cores/threads and no need for delid.

[@ashberic]

8700K vs 9700K would have made more sense. Obviously the higher core higher thread count is gonna perform better in tasks that scale with nT, regardless of latencies.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

I think you are spot on with the analysis....8700K unless very specific use cases and money is not an issue at all...

[@bigbenisdaman]

Still waiting on my 9900k to come in...upgrading my 3570k that's served me well and hoping to get 6+ years out of this I9 as well. Though been seeing mixed reviews on the heat, i'll see if a DarkRockPro4 can cool it or not I reckon. And yea, all my hype for this upgrade has gone out the window now with mobo/ram/m.2/cooler sitting in a box on the floor for 2+ weeks currently.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

that i9 will last for years and years. it has it all; ipc, clockspeed, cores and threads.

[@lukew.9110]

Just bought an 8086k from micro center for 329.99 as soon as the reviews came out for the 9900k and glad I did.

[@johntotten4872]

Smart purchase and a good deal. No regrets. I have the same cpu and love it.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

meanwhile my 9900k runs 5.2 ghz using kraken x62 and i got it for free (thank you boss) ;)

[@jasonmercieca451]

I upgraded my i5 2500k (oc to 4.7ghz) to my new i9 9900k, i apriciate the advices, but look further into other reviews, with a 240mm water cooling the 9900k delivers, gets hot yes but not out of control,, best cpu for working and gamming, look into it. .

[@Aboleo80]

I got my 8700k few months ago for $299 at microcenter. OCd it to 4.8 on all cores even if I was able to hit 5.1 with no problems I scaled it back to 4.8 to stay worry free. Just got a RTX 2080Ti few weeks ago and I am in gamer heaven right now.

[@nihao2603]

the only thing that excites me for the 9900k (not that I'll ever swap to team blue) is der8auer announcing the fact he's releasing a direct to die frame for it.... I'd love to see what could be done with this.

[@Mixman39]

I have 7700k 5ghz with noctua nh d15. Upgrade for 8700k or 9700k? tnx

[@jabalajabolindest4852]

If you just play games keep it. 7700k at 5ghz is enough

[@Wathnak_Sendo]

Why need to upgrade if u only use for gaming ?

[@Mixman39]

7700k I only use for gaming

[@jabalajabolindest4852]

@@Mixman39 then you are 👍

[@theM00sh00]

I bought a 9900k with a hyper212 evo for video editing. I only have a gtx 1060 tho for playing some 1080p games. I dont plan on overclocking.

[@parkinsaw]

Benita Thelen you need to change that Heatsink fast even if you aren't overclocking. The thing runs really hot and 212 just doesn't really cut it anymore. Would only use that thing on something as high as a 6600k.

[@melvinhans1844]

Have you tested the 9700k yet

[@Mcwrah]

Had 2700X but being a real fan of mmos especially FFXIV and WoW I had to switch... Went for 9900K with z390 but couldn't get it to 5ghz stable, best i could do with push/pull x62 before crazy temps was 4.8ghz (got a bad chip)... which resulted in 60-63fps in "worst" case scenario in FFXIV (battles with a lot of people). Went for 8086K which was cheaper than 8700K, delided and running it at 5.2ghz 1.35V (0 AVX offset, 80C max in latest p95) and now i get 75-85fps (i have 1440p 144hz screen) and i couldn't be happier with my decision. With the 2700X i was getting 47-55fps with 4.2ghz OC and 3200 cl14 ram which is far from enough when I spend hours upon hours in those battles...

[@silvertechmods9215]

g'day mate. I really need your help .. i have a hp z420 workstation and really want to transfer the whole thing into a custom case something like cm storm stryker or any other nice case because mine has a xeon E5 1650 pro and a EVGA gtx 980ti SC which go together like a champ. Please if you could do a video like this, I am sure millions of people been waiting to see something like that. thanks mate

[@sanorarosewatson1110]

I have an i7 8700K and I hit a stable 5.1GHz all the time with my NZXT x52 temps are great for gaming and productivity.

[@jrose-xp6tf]

I chose both, and both run great!

[@sloppyknob9797]

Waiting on my 9900kf to arrive, hopefully my h115i platinum rgb on push pull will hold the temps lol

[@Lady_Zenith]

Ringbus scales well. I have E5-2696v4 and its just fine, completely cool, high gaming IPC thanks to 55MB of cache, turbo is working fine, all is dandy. I also had 2696v3 where you can use the microcode trick for limited overclock and I was running it on 10 Cores 4Ghz 18cores 3,4Ghz and that did fit in to 250W, which is for 22nm CPU really good. The only problem was Broadwell and its lack of high clocks, but ringbus has nothing to do with that, even the 4-core one had the same issue. So, please, don't buy in to the Intel marketing BS like "it does not scale" cause ringbus CPUs go up to 24 cores and there has never been one that did not scale. The only reason why Intel moved away is the L3 cache ringbus packs, with tons of cores you have to use much of the die space for cache, and very few apps benefit from it, games do for example, but most of mass multi-thread apps do not, aka it will not help you break cinebench records. Simply put mesh in SK-X is bad, the IPC went down and the only reason its there is that its cheap and the die can be smaller now.

[@8iosatlost209]

In 2020 i wonder if i should get an i9 7900X or I9 9900X or 10900X. My heart beats for the 7900X or 7920X. It has a smaller L3 cache which explains the lower TDP and the higher oc potential. But something don´t stop saying2 get the 7920X or 7900X, the cheapest 79XX X you should get. Why do i see the 7900X in such an emotional way?

[@Danth01gt]

yeap... Right now I don't see the absolute need for me to go out and get a 9900k due to the big price hike with it over the 8700k and when comparing max obtainable performance numbers between the two chips it's not with the extra $200.

[@Kdjoao]

Why overcock when you reach max limit on monitor already..

[@jowarnis]

what about 9700k?

[@donicsm7684]

Though the 9900k is a problematic CPU it is a still a beast and an engineering accomplishment for Intel. It is bar-none the fastest 8-core CPU that exists right now, caveats considered. However if I were to buy a CPU right now I would still buy an 8700k, my second choice would be the 9700k. Maybe next gen if they fix the temps.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

problematic how? mine is running 5.2 ghz on all cores using 280mm aio... 9900k is cooler than 8700k stock vs stock. 10c aprox.

[@donicsm7684]

The 8086ks are binned 8700ks. They're really good overclockers but because they're limited run they're a lot more expensive than the 8700k. I wouldn't be shocked if you found one at the same price as the 9700K, in which case I'd rather get a 9700k.

[@donicsm7684]

Not 100% sure about the price btw. If they're close in price with the 8700k I'd get it. I doubt it though.

[@donicsm7684]

dr. whet farts Looks like you won the silicon lottery!

[@croalfaprogram3336]

have 8700k, clocked on 5.0 ghz with 3,0 volts totaly stable and temps are max 80c but average 65c while gaming. I have 240mm water coller, and cpu is not delided.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

delid it then. my 9900k runs 5.2 ghz no delid using kraken x62 and a cheap asrock board.

[@Pete292323]

high frequency trading near exchanges is done with FPGAs.

[@HazmanFTW]

I'm still rocking a 7700k, don't see any point upgrading as I mainly play games and have it OC'd to 4.45GHz

[@RonaldoFan-zz9rk]

great cpu, would keep it for 3-5 more years if i had one