9mm VS .45 ACP in Long Slides! Federal Punch Ballistic Test

Testing out the Federal Punch in 9mm and .45 ACP in long slides in a ballistic gel test. The 9mm is a 124 gr and I use a 5" S&W M&P 2.0 and the .45 ACP is a 230 gr and I use a 5.3" Glock 41. I also do a practical accuracy test. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...

[@daveengstrom9250]

The results in the gel surprised me a little but as we all know not all bullets do the same thing all the time. I am glad you took a couple of extra shots.

[@timrobinson6573]

I picked up 10 boxes of them 9mm Punch a few weeks ago and have been using it as my carry ammo. It's (relatively)affordable enough to do some practice with and carry.

[@scubaguy007]

Can I ask what you paid per round?

[@SkateAndReview]

@@scubaguy007 $20 a box of 20 should be the msrp for 9mm

[@scubaguy007]

@@SkateAndReview I didn’t ask the MSRP. I asked Tim how much he paid per round. Tim’s a big boy, he can speak for himself, but thanks for participating, here’s your trophy. 🏆😏

[@shadowwolf2524]

@@scubaguy007 My local shop had 20 round boxes of 38 special plus P, 120gr HP's for $20 a couple months back. Only 1 box per regular customer. I really hadn't heard of them until then, but laid my $ down and took my meager ration lol. I just loaded my S&W 642 with them. But I'll probably change them out with something else. I seem to change my ammo quite abit.

[@scubaguy007]

@@shadowwolf2524 thanks for the input. I’m really sold on the Federal HST ammo, but it’s a bit pricey right now. So I wanted to see if I could get a understanding of the price difference between the two federal products. I know as far as 45 ACP goes there’s not much out there that compares with Federal HST 230gr +P and the Hornady critical duty 220gr +P I have a just shy a case of the Hornady but only one box left of the Federal HST. So I just wondered.

[@DiabloDeezy]

This has to be THE BEST ballistics comparison of these 2 rds yet. Subscribed!

[@willo7734]

As always, thanks for the invaluable service of testing this so the rest of us don’t have to. The 9mm Punch looks awesome, much better than the .380. I gotta look for it.

[@richardcolligon4277]

For the first time ever I'd say the 9mm spanked the plant's off the 45. I would carry that in a heartbeat and I've never said that about a 9mm before. Great video!

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@perplexingperceptions8888]

Because Federal Punch sux in 45auto & a few other calibers.

[@richardcolligon4277]

@@perplexingperceptions8888 thank you, I saw a test of their 22lr and wasn't impressed.

[@eduardorivera4100]

I love this channel! It quickly became my favorite

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@zachb.6606]

Really underscores the importance of testing your ammo! Great video, thanks.

[@biggunshandguns3687]

Again your shooting skills are awesome. I still don't know how I feel about clear ballistic gel. From one channel to the next it seems to vary quite a bit. I do like being able to see what's going on in slow mo. I've also seen the jug or not box have the same amount of or lack of penetration especially with Winchester brand ammo. So is there a right or wrong answer who knows. I do know I really like all your videos. You have some of the best editing of any channel and I'm sure that is time consuming. I hope you enjoy making these vids as much as I like watching them so you will continue. Thanks for all your hard work and for making learning fun

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@davegreene2031]

The punch is hard to beat even in the 22 I don't want to get shot with either one of them good veido salute

[@brianmoore1164]

I truly love the 45, but reliable expansion can be tough to find. I would like to see the ammunition makers explore 200 or even 185 grain jhp more. Hollowpoints need that speed to expand.

[@SkateAndReview]

Yea all the hype and technology advancements are dedidcated to the 9mm right mow

[@brianmoore1164]

@@SkateAndReview Very true, but I have just enough gray hair to love the ole 45 😀

[@beyeholy4352]

That’s why I’m searching for Xtreme defense

[@brianmoore1164]

@@beyeholy4352 Once upon a time Speer made a 200 grain hollowpoint that was nicknamed the flying ashtray. Its penetration would be short by today's standard, but my gut says that a bonded version of that bullet would be a real game changer.

[@sogk12]

Go with buffalo bore, underwood or double tap. You WILL GET what your looking for (in pretty much every caliber)

[@rossgreenzweig]

Wow Sam that 9mm federal punch seems like a really good round! Thats worthy to be put in the wood test against other good 9mm rounds!👍🏻👍🏻 awesome job!!!

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@frederickwezzeroth2611]

Great ballistic video comparison test! Thanks!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@jmurphy68463]

That just confirmed it for me, the only federal punch ammunition I'll be using is the .22LR.

[@txjm7965]

Great vid as always, love the 230 +p HST’s. Too bad the punch is a let down!

[@GunSam]

Thanks

[@berettaxd7566]

You need velocity for good expansion and 230 gr ammo is super slow. I'd go lighter.

[@joshuabrown4030]

Looks like maybe the ammo was "tuned to the test" in 9x19 and then phoned in to the other calibers with the same bullet composition. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that in recent years.

[@Me2Lancer]

Enjoyed your comparison overall. Your accuracy is impressive!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@asherdie]

Bigger wound cavity, .45 FTW

[@YellowHammer26]

Looks like a good round for the 9mm.Thanks for the video 👍👍

[@Shot_Gunner]

That’s all I carry. 45acp in a full size 1911. The Fuddmatic 🤠👍🏼🇺🇸

[@erichanson7293]

Great video as usual! Good, clean filming and thoughtful commentary. I wish I had your range! I have tested the Federal Punch 9mm several times in organic gel and four layers of denim from 3, 4.5 and 5.5 inch barrels. Penetration is between 15 and 17 inches with full expansion. Longer barrel gets higher velocity and more of a smeared bullet, whereas the bullets recovered from the shorter barrel look remarkably like expanded HST bullets. Not exactly, but very similar. Based on your test and others, to me it appears to be one of the better loads for short-barrel carry pistols. I cannot speak for the .45, though. Yours is the only test I’ve watched reviewing it and it was, indeed, a disappointing performance. Thank you for reviewing them both!

[@ironmikehallowween]

I like all calibers and long slides are cool. I think you need a 357 magnum Coonan to test. I know I need one! Also, They probably used a 5 inch Government model for the 45acp because that is standard, while there are very few, if any, 5 inch barrel 9mm as standard, so you may need a 6 inch barrel in the 45s.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

I recently bought 60 rounds of Fed Punch 124 grn 9x19. Am keeping it in my ammo can stash for possible future duty in my 3.8 inch Canik. I am loaded with 124 grn +P Gold Dot normally, plus I have some HST 124 grn +P waiting for rotation. I like what i am seeing in this standard pressure Fed. Punch. Looks very consistent. Thanks for the vid.

[@SaintBrianTheGodless]

9mm is such a good round overall. The best balance in a semiauto pistol.

[@Stalin4403]

Sorry man,stuff is garbage.Its almost 2022.If a round cannot function reliably out of a compact-fullsize pistol its not worth it.This actually is disappointing in general.Federal HST and hydroshock deep work great but at an excessively premium price.How about federal just makes a high price but not $50.00 a box of 20 round that functions within reason.Great testing as always!

[@ratagris21]

This look like Covid Quality rounds.

[@ratagris21]

Thanks for testing these Rounds Sam. Great work always. 🎩☯️♠️

[@Roscoe-sz5yb]

Gun Sam can you please do a critical duty test in .45 acp vs critical duty .357? I havent seen them in the gel just jugs thanks! I love all of your content. Keep up the great work!

[@GunSam]

I actually filmed that a month ago. Just haven't released it yet.

[@ricardounterricht1114]

Even if it's counterintuitive, could you redo this test with a 45 with shorter barrel ? 1shotTV tested this with a SW Shield and got good results.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

That would be nice to see. I have a Colt Officers model with 3.5 inch barrel.

[@berettaxd7566]

It's going too slow to expand properly. With a 3.5" barrel you'd get like 600 fps. Probably want to use lighter ammo. The 230 might as well be hardball.

[@DanTheWolfman]

Sam it's weird you have had kina anomalies in the hst and punch in .45 not expanding from a LONG BARREL when I have seen hst always open before as low as 730fps. And the .38 punch one time did great other time didn't expand from either barrel length. Do you think ammo companies are pumping out so much right now that QC on defensive is down, and sometimes the bullets are getting out with too hard/rockwell factor or whatever they may call it? 9mm looks solid.

[@GunSam]

I filmed a .38 special test today. Got some extra SJHP rounds to throw in the shipping box...

[@perplexingperceptions8888]

My friend tried this with his Glock21 4.60" & got 903 average velocity, same Federal Punch load. Something is off with the one here.

[@bluelightningrod1]

Good review and pretty good shooting at long distances.

[@keithgregory7937]

Good video 9mm vs 45!

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@mache2784]

.45 is offers many loads. This would be good for larger animals, I like the name "punch" because that is what you will need to stop a angry animal from aggressing. This same round with a lower gr would expel/expand so much more in the gel with shorter penetration. Thnaks for the review!

[@diegomassari4743]

Great test

[@davidhechler5882]

Sam, just a suggestion: When you compare two guns/ammo, you could switch the gelatin blocks so that after you shoot the first gun, you move the back block to the front so your second gun rounds do not pass through the same path as the previous rounds. I might be all wet, but it would seem to me that if a round travels the same path a previous round has, it is going to penetrate farther as it is following a hole that is from the previous round.

[@onpsxmember]

It only seems that way from our perspective. [+ +] from the side look like overlay from the side.

[@GunSam]

I don't understand why people think I shoot the same paths when I never do. I usually make 4 shots in a block, every shot is 2" from the sides and 2" from each other. That's how the 6" by 6" block math works.

[@onpsxmember]

@@GunSam I'm just trying to get what I want out of this so I highly recommend a second camera from above and a pmma base plate with cheap LED strips to light up the block from below.

[@davidhechler5882]

@@GunSam I apologize for any offense Sam. I understand what you are saying. But from the side view it sure looks like some bullets are following the same path as the one before.

[@Opapaskateboarding]

Great video! I was takin back by the out come? Very interesting to say the least… keep up the hard work! New subscriber to you channel

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@clintwestwood1895]

Interesting results thanks for the video.

[@charlesphillips5906]

I bet the little forest critters hate your new testing protocol. No more bologna to snack on!🐇🦝🦨🦫🐁🐀🐿🦔

[@totljag1]

Man U can shoot sir , I just liked and subscribed goood video

[@scubaguy007]

Meh. Can you get Federal HST for the same price? If so I think I’d prefer the HST over the Punch all day every day. 😉

[@GunSam]

Online yes. In stores, probably not.

[@thetexasrat]

What they made a 45 ACP? I (still) be rocking the 45 Colt! The “Taylor Knock Out Index”: Velocity (in fps) x Weight (in grains) x Diameter (in inches) = _ divided by 7,000 [to convert into foot pounds of energy]. 9mm: [1901 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1180 x 115 x .355 = 48,173.5 divided by 7,000 = 6.88 ft pd Underwood Ammo 9mm: Standard P - 1300 x 115 x .355 = 53,072.5 divided by 7000 = 7.58 ft pd +P - 1100 x 147 x .355 = 57,403.5 divided by 7000 = 8.2 ft pd +P+ - 1550 x 90 x .355 = 49,522.5 divided by 7000 = 7.07 ft pd - (?) Notice how big and slow is better than little and faster every time? Well now, it ain’t just what she said anymore! And on that note - 45 ACP: [1904 AD] Standard P - 835 x 230 x .451 = 86,614.55 divided by 7,000 = 12.37 ft pd Underwood Ammo 45 ACP: +P - 925 x 255 x .452 = 106,615.5 divided by 7000 = 15.23 ft pd Fools Figure, but Figures don't Fool! Which now leads us to the Facts - 45 Colt: [1872 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1000 x 235 x .456 = 107,160 divided by 7,000 = 15.3 ft pd Original Underwood Ammo 45 Colt: Standard P - 1000 x 250 x .452 = 113,000 divided by 7,000 = 16.14 ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P - 1400 x 250 x .452 = 158,200 divided by 7,000 = 22.6ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P This is the results of big getting faster. So, "faster can be goods so long as size is not compromised!" And I quoted her on that. [Liberty Ammunition 45 Colt: Standard P - 1800 x 78 x .452 = 63,460.8 divided by 7,000 = 9.0658 ft pd - Civil Defense Showing little going fast is just that, and nothing more!] +P - 1325 x 325 x .452 = 194,642.5 divided by 7,000 = 27.8 ft pd - Long Flat Nose Gas Check Hi-Tek Coated Hard Cast +P This is the results of big getting bigger! As so did her eyes! Standard P - 900 x 220 x .452 = 89,496 divided by 7,000 = 12.785 ft pd - Maximum Expansion (before it expands) Standard P - 900 x 220 x 1.75 = 346,500 divided by 7,000 = 49.5 ft pd - Maximum Expansion (after it expands) This is the results of big becoming HUGE! At this point she was speechless(?).

[@johnmikel5934]

Great evaluation, good representation. Thx

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Another good video. Also great shooting. I shot that 9 mm Punch into a water filled pumpkin yesterday, seemed to do well. Take care.

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@johnmaresca69]

I know you're at no great distance when running the Chrono bit they seemed to be quite accurate and in a tight group

[@jimbob465]

At first I was like "whoa how close are you to that steel bro?" Then I looked up and was like "oh I'm an idiot"

[@onpsxmember]

Once in a while there are those that say he is cheating while it's picture in picture. You're far away from those.

[@sonnygunz9207]

I know you’re using a 5” barrel but it seems like Fed has upped their 9mm HST offerings lately. Punch might be getting the same treatment.

[@adammitchell0]

I’ve notice 45 acp fails a lot in clear gel. I don’t trust clear gel as much as the old standard gel test.

[@tenorhowlermonkey3454]

Good shooting!

[@frankhinkle5772]

That was informative, thanks.

[@danoneill2846]

Lately had my SIG P227 45 arrp out for carry loaded with Win HE 185 gr Massive H P @1,110 FPS ( on the box ) If I recall they did good in your testing . In bare jugs >> Massive energy dump .

[@danoneill2846]

In your test it was 1,114 fps >> 500 +/- ft/LBS >> kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobGpJRrrcebsJY

[@danoneill2846]

RE: Grip size P227 10 shot 45 acp Vs G19/17 I found the 45 fits my hand better . I put a string around the smallest part of the grips , the SIG P227 is a little over 1/8 " shorter than the string around the G19/17 grip . The G17 feels good to me , not as good as the SIG . I was surprised the SIG was smaller , it points right at the bull when a do a quick lift & point .

[@GunSam]

I been wanting to do a full test on them, just haven't found a comparable other round.

[@danoneill2846]

@@GunSam It may not go as deep as many rounds , you can be sure it will open up & give every ft /lb to the target & not pass through .

[@nicholasthomas4382]

Other than old school Black Talon, I haven't really seen any 230gr 45acp that performed really well unless it was substantially above SAAMI or 45 Super. Black Talon expands past .75 inch and penetrates deep, 18 inches, but it is rated I believe at 950fps. I shot a 45 Super 230gr Gold Dot from a Glock 30 into a cat litter jug filled with water, it blew the jug to pieces and expanded to the point that the petals stuck out like fingers. 45+p and 45 Super are good, but from my experience a 10mm Underwood 150-165gr hollowpoint is the very best manstopper pistol round you can get.

[@onpsxmember]

Ah, the Hirtenberger Buscadero Ticondas. Others expand the same (based on the lucky gunner tests) but don't reach that penetration.

[@MFPWM2010]

I’ve seen a lot of .45 bullets not expand when they are 230 grains, especially when they are moving under 900 fps. It’s just hard to design a bullet to expand when moving that slow.

[@GunSam]

it's really a thing about sectional density. Lots of mass and high density. I have seen bullets expand at 700 FPS but it takes a softer core and better design. I am pretty sure a 185 gr would expand even at 800 FPS while a 230 gr at that speed with more energy would not.

[@BA-hk3ct]

The 9mm might also be a good option for a pcc?

[@rob6850]

I was wondering the same

[@biggunshandguns3687]

In my experience the pcs in duty calibers only gain 200fps. I was very disappointed when a group of friends and I ran 9mm 40 s&w and 45 acp across the chrono. Even the slow vs fast powders didn't seem to make much difference. How ever 200fps Is pretty substantial on duty calibers and defiantly will change bullet performance. Just my experience

[@BA-hk3ct]

@@biggunshandguns3687 thank you. That's what I'm thinking as well. I generally keep 147 for the pcc and 147 grain or lighter bullets for the pistols. I think the extra weight might be better for ballistics and expansion in the pcc. Thank you again

[@dillonbeach2354]

I really wish the particle board wasn’t included. Bc by the time you fire the second gun you can’t see the wound tracks anymore to compare the 2 rounds

[@GunSam]

upload your version. I'll take a look at how to improve.

[@troy9477]

The 9mm did very well, esp in accuracy. The pnetration is a bit more than i like. My c oh mfirt zone stops at about 16", but i could live with it. The 45 was disappointing. Might be ok for animal defense, but that is all. Accuracy was also quite good. They both had some of the best 25 yd accuracy i have seen in your tests.

[@robertmosher7418]

Because the rounds cut through the MDF as if it was a hole punch and the MDF were a piece of paper instead of bone which would shatter and splinter, doesn't that fill up any hollow point and thus reducing expansion? Bone will flatten a bullet and force expansion. And if you are shooting a jacket round or flat tip round, does the MDF disperse the energy of the round as it strikes it due to it being a flat plane in contact with the entire block thus allowing for the energy to hit over the entire face. As you are aware, no bones are completely flat and are rounded at some point with long bones being mostly round or oblong shaped which, along with being far denser and made of a harder material, disperse the energy of the bullet in odd directions as it shatters and becomes shrapnel in the body? Not trying to talk trash about you, your test or your methodology. I am merely asking a question of someone more knowledgeable than I about terminal ballistics.

[@GunSam]

The reason why I don't shoot with just MDF and do a clear ballistics only shot, is for people who complain about methodology. That's all I can tell you as I am not an anatomy expert.

[@tpatrick6902]

That's an excellent round. Federal punch 124. Regular pressure right? Have you tested the +p yet? Differing results? Thank you

[@GunSam]

As far as I know the 9mm punch is standard pressure and there's no +P version.

[@petergrant9259]

When it comes to 45acp ammo...stick with Federal HST for carry...and use ball for target..sadly Federal is marketing an inferior product as an all around cartridge....the 9mm out of the long slide is fine....but most carry a 3 inch barrel concealed in 9 mm....your tests do show the importance of matching a round to barrel length.

[@TheSly77]

You should include 357 sig in your tests

[@THATMOFODIRT]

Good stuff

[@ibpositivemostly7437]

Cool video thanks nice shooting.

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@inmyopinion_3672]

Nice shooting at 25yds.

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@donsteilberg9050]

The Federal Punch is definitely not a comparison to the Federal HST or the DEEP, with the later being the best.

[@Stalin4403]

The ultimate test of federal punch lol.Fired from a 2 foot test barrel.Did it expand 🤣

[@cameronnorton5898]

I wonder what it is about S&W barrels that makes them launch bullets so damn fast? I too have experienced higher than rated velocity in a S&W 5906 9mm with a 4 inch barrel.

[@curtisparker9559]

You are using a Glock for the .45. That would be like Thor using a mallet😂

[@Fudmottin]

This is the first time I've seen Federal Punch ammunition seem to live up to its name. The 9x19 did very well. I have no idea what's up with the 45 here. And as for the 22LR stuff, I don't see a real advantage over CCI's Stinger.

[@graywind4326]

.45 is always rated out of a 5 inch barrel because 1911 used to be the standard 45 acp platform.

[@yellowboxster06]

Interesting culmination of two great pistols using excellent ammunition in the hands of someone with obvious shooting skills. If my aging memory serves me correctly the original military specification for the 9mm round included an effective range of 55 yards or something close to that. In the case of your 75 yard target I’d say again impressive shooting skill but you are probably pushing the kinematic boundaries for either of those two rounds out of a handgun. Just a guess on my part.

[@dangerman007]

Great test! The 9mm is great, but most others stink. Not buying this round....

[@GunSam]

Thanks. One thing to consider though, is this 5" barrel seems to make all ammo expand well. So it might not be as good in a short barrel. I don't recall what I got in a previous test, I think it was okay in a short barrel though.

[@MichaelWilliams-nu6lv]

The test should be with the hollowpoints in 45 and hollowpoints in 9mm ♠️ The 45 has the knock down power however maybe you can do this again using hollowpoints of both calibers // The video was great has always ♣️

[@GunSam]

Should be done with hollow points huh...oh, ok

[@bdub0983]

Idk how these companies cant get the 45 up to thwir rated velocity (or close at least)

[@eaglespetty]

It's impossible to get a predictable average from 1 or 2 rounds. Would be interesting to see some tests with 5 round averages.

[@pecosjane]

Lucky Gunner (Labs) did that with .38 & .357 defensive ammunition. You are correct: the results are very interesting. Lucky Gunner is a commercial enterprise and they can afford to purchase the several cases of ballistic gel required. Unless Gun Sam wins the lottery - or all of us start sending in piles of cash - I doubt he can replicate the Lucky Gunner testing protocol.

[@cccboarding]

Can you do the Lehigh extreme defender rounds

[@GunSam]

I plan to. I have some 9mm+P and .327 Federal Xtreme I am testing next week. I will be comparing to target ammo, as comparing to HP ammo makes no sense. What I want to see, is if they penetrate less in gel than FMJ. This will definitely help some people who don't or can't carry HP ammo.

[@cccboarding]

@@GunSam that would be dope definitely interested to see if there viable for self defense or if they overpenetrate

[@berettaxd7566]

230 gr is too slow for good hollow point expansion. I only use 200 gr or less and +p ammo for .45 for defense.

[@berettaxd7566]

230 is too slow for good expansion, and he's using a 5" barrel. 185 or 200 are the right weight, especially +p if you want good power.

[@alj.granda8252]

Thanks, I'll stick with 9mm!!!!

[@ditto1958]

If I’m gonna shoot my 1911 it’s gonna have 230 grain ball ammo. That’s what it was designed for.

[@shadowwolf2524]

That is the round I have in my 45

[@davidyardley797]

Good shooting at 25 yd!

[@grumpydano]

Interesting that everytime the 9mm was shot through the chronograph the velocity went down. High speed ammunition fouling the barrel?

[@GunSam]

I doubt that anything is going on other than just random numbers.

[@JP-xh1cm]

I'm surprised Federal Punch doesn't come in .357 Magnum?

[@GunSam]

Yeah, neither does HST. I think it would be great if they made them.

[@5shotsr611]

Where you find that 45 punch ammo? lol. I live in Missouri and can't find it at local gun shops 😄

[@GunSam]

I rarely shop at local shops.

[@5shotsr611]

@@GunSam so search like Mid w@y & Browne... ?

[@GunSam]

@@5shotsr611 I order online and use about 10 different websites, Midway and Lucky Gunner are two of them. Beats spending hundreds on gas searching all over.

[@5shotsr611]

@@GunSam alrighty, thank you sir 👊

[@brucemoriarty9964]

I like how the 45 did. The punch just dosent have it. It performs like an elderly couple in the bedroom.

[@seattlehaulcy9615]

I don't understand clearly for 7 yards 45 punches harder always has penetrates deeper as well 45 didn't expand but 9mm was 6 inches behind 45 shoots 830 9mm shoots 1300 still penetrated deep heavier bullet physics. I'd rather be hit with a 9mm than a 45. Facts

[@64samsky]

i'd still take a good old 45

[@seattlehaulcy9615]

Usually ammo today 9mm penetrates different 45 as well I'll take bigger hole bigger track wound than 9mm small hole longer track wound stop think 9mm is superior because far from accurate

[@randelldarky3920]

There are many videos proving that a .45acp does have more nock down power than the 9mm.

[@rob6850]

Nice video, Sam. Thanks! Have you tested these from a short barrel 9 like your Taurus? Edit: Yes, you have. My memory is just shit. 🙂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJWzhnptdqZ5oLM

[@mattpatterson9128]

That's some weak .45 ammo, the rounds i use produces 432 lbs of energy out of the barrel. 230 grain JHP, PDX1.

[@danielaramburo7648]

For practical and affordability reasons, 9mm is better. But if wallet is fat enough, i would prefer the 45.

[@milehighgimpster]

Good information. Thanks for the video.

[@poorfatman5317]

👍💪🇺🇸

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Bummer, I woulda er you use my 17L. A “real” long slide.

[@asherdie]

When the bullet passes through a previous cavity the numbers mean nothing.

[@biggunshandguns3687]

When did they do that? Just because we see only one side of the gel block does not mean he is shooting in the same spot. I'm not sure if you understand how a square block works. Being square means you can take a shot on the left side of the block and take your next shot on the right side now this is the confusing part both bullet paths if viewed from only one side will make it appear as one path but if you look down from the top you could 2 that's 2 complete and different bullet paths. Now this is really interesting being that it is a square you can do the same testing using the bottom half of the block. See this is the difference between shooting something that is flat as opposed to shooting something that has 4 sides. I know this is really complicated but I sincerely hope I was able to explain this in a way that you understand. P.S. I don't know where you got your education but I hope if you have kids that they have a much better education. Not saying you are stupid at all just that the education system had a major fail. Have a good day

[@GunSam]

Never goes through previous. That's why I shoot the way I do. the block is as wide as it is tall, all shots are at least 2" apart. You act like the block is 6" tall and 1" thick.

[@asherdie]

@@biggunshandguns3687 5:20 and 5:54 looks like it crossed the 9mm

[@edwardbiasi37]

I love the channel and the videos but you do know nobody wares denim right? I know, the FBI protocol, but really, nobody wares denim. I use other more realistic heavy clothing for tests, like what I actually ware. Denim just has a tendency for clogging a jhp.

[@GunSam]

i'd rather testing have the most difficult thing to get expansion through than on the street. To me it's better to test something and make it difficult, if it passes the test than we are extra sure.

[@pkjdm]

230 grain 45 acp is way to slow....

[@sd410MM]

Those 45's ring that steel with authority, 9's are just a thunk.

[@timrobinson6573]

The 45's are good for when you get attacked by steel plates and need to make them ring.

[@denisdegamon8224]

@@timrobinson6573 please.... A 45 caliber .... larger hole and transmits energy better due to bullet frontal ares and mass. Incapacitation of a threat is caused primarily from hydtolic fluid loss and permenent wound chanel, not just speed. Read up on Thatchers testing on pistol rounds performed on live animals and said conclusions.

[@GunSam]

At that distance I think the .45 probably had more energy. Like anything else, bigger and slower retains a lot more momentum through air. We we probably looking at like 300 FPE for the 9mm and 330 FPS for the .45 at that range.

[@kn7gez]

Looks like Long barrel in 45 of no benefit

[@lonewolf1064]

Absolutely love your videos but you are no hand model lol

[@GunSam]

hand model?

[@stevekelley2341]

If you haven't already, id like to see a 50 ae vs 454 in 7.5 " barrels test .

[@jeffreylocke8808]

How about borrowing a 500 S&W magnum revolver and test it against a 44 magnum revolver. A muzzlebrake equipped barrel of 4 inches on the 500 and the 44 magnum ought to be valid.

[@cpprcrk1833]

I think Sam is more into personal defense realm of Handgunning . I'd hate to imagine a case where one would have to inside the pants carry , then quickly deploy the 500 S&W against multiple armed Intruders ! 😳

[@jeffreylocke8808]

@@cpprcrk1833 penetration comparison is what that is for. The 500 S&W magnum revolver weighs just under 60 ounces and the model 69 at 37 ounces. Bear defense can be addressed by this comparison of two champion cartridges.

[@GunSam]

I don't know anyone with a .500, but my friend has an 8" .460 Mag lol

[@jeffreylocke8808]

@@GunSam Well the 460 is as good really and shooting 454 Casull ought to work well to measure penetration. I own a 5 inch muzzle brake equipped 460 S&W X-frame magnum revolver myself. Love it and really a great platform for the 454 Casull heavy loads.

[@chrisgabbert658]

There really not a good hp in 45 that expand in regular velocity on a 230gr 🤷‍♂️🙂

[@MrEdgy81]

45aarp just ain't king anymore time for everyone to accept it ;)

[@shadowwolf2524]

One of my house guns is a 45 loaded with 230gr FMJ. We are both getting old but can still get the job done.