Procreate Dreams VS ToonSquid | Which One Is Better

[@mspikles9938]

the issue with procreate dreams is the missing tools needed for transforming and selecting objects in your animation. The lasso tool is the most important tool needed to fix your animation however it isnt available in dreams

[@Tonabillity]

Yes, everyone is familiar with the missing lasso tool. However, there is a workaround involving tracks that allows selection. Although I must admit it’s a huge hassle and can’t wait for them to develop a proper selection tool!

[@sfdex]

Great overview. I have both, and find Procreate Dreams’ design philosophy of hiding features makes it so much more frustrating to use. Toonsquid is full-featured and powerful. I will keep checking in with Procreate Dreams, but at least for now still find Toonsquid to be the superior app.

[@Tonabillity]

If Toon Squid is such a superior app, why can’t it play my 3 minute animated video without lagging and stopping? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@sfdex]

@@Tonabillity I haven’t had that issue, but I’m running it on a 6th gen iPad Pro 12.9” with a ton of ram. And maybe I haven’t taxed it as far as you have. That said, my opinion stands, for me, ToonSquid is a better app than Procreate Dreams. I expect that Dreams will improve over time, and who knows? Maybe it will get better, but I doubt they’ll change their design philosophy of hiding functionality.

[@Tonabillity]

@@sfdex I absolutely agree that if you haven’t had any issues with ToonSquid, then of course it’s the program for “you”. That’s only logical. If ToonSquid worked for ME, I’d be using it as well. No doubt Procreate Dreams will improve over time. I just hope that ToonSquid also improves over time for those with 5th gen iPads who find it unusable. In the interim, I’ve seen a plethora of phenomenal PD animations crafted by amazing innovators, who have discovered brilliant workarounds!❤️‍🔥 In fact I’m currently experiencing breakthroughs in animation as well from an app that’s supposed to be “worse” than ToonSquid 🤷🏾 I have BOTH programs, and find that NOTHING beats PD’s UNPRECEDENTED Performance Mode! However, I heartily agree that those who lack the capacity to comprehend hidden features should avoid Procreate Dreams at all cost! But I feel like Tony Stark, zooming in and out of Procreate Dream’s hyper-fluid, next-level, nonlinear timeline! If I’m not able to discover all of the hidden features of PD’s elegant design in this Information Age (of zillions of KZbin videos), then I may as well crawl back to the 1980’s 😝😩 Enjoy ToonSquid’s antiquated interface. I’ve moved on to the Future 💫

[@bfodoesstuff]

@@TonabillityBro if you're paid to advertise at least make it less obvious

[@Tonabillity]

@@bfodoesstuff Remember, ALWAYS believe EVERYTHING that you think 🙄

[@CountD42]

Thanks for this video. I feel like I'm going to wind up buying both. I expect I'll like Dreams more, but I really want to give the creator of ToonSquid money because it's an incredibly competent piece of software, especially for being one person's side project, and doubly so for being so cheap.

[@SomeKidsDontSurvive]

I’ve been using Dreams for months and love it, but I didn’t know Toonsquid was created by just ONE person. 7:49 That guy deserves my ten bucks on principle alone. Thanks for the great breakdown video. Are you ambidextrous? Your stylus changes hands throughout the video and leads me to think you might be. Thanks again.

[@MP-zx8ig]

In the bottom right it credits who owns those videos, she's using clip, that's not her

[@sentient_dinosaurplush]

i have procreate but i’m so hesitant to get dreams because it seems to be missing a lot of basic features. i think i’ll try toonsquid but hopefully procreate dreams manages to catch up soon.

[@Pat_theguy]

ToonSquid is obviously the winner its very easy to use and with just a few tutorials I’m already an animator

[@Op09687]

toonsquid is the goat

[@Tonabillity]

I’m a professional animator working on a 3 minute, 590 MB music video. When I play it on ToonSquid, it stutters and stops. Procreate Dreams plays it SMOOTHLY. Toonsquid is the goat all right. Most GASTLY OF ALL TIME!! 🙄

[@Op09687]

@@Tonabillity thanks for the review on procreate dreams I too am making a project on toonsquid and have not found any major problems in it Ofc the stuttering if quite noticeable but I really like the idea of vector brushes and the USE OF LASSO TOOL in my animations At the end of the day it is our personal options 😌

[@Tonabillity]

@@Op09687 I agree with you. For anyone who needs vectors or rigging, no doubt TS is the appropriate platform at the moment. It was sufficient for me while it lasted. But for decades my industry pals and I, have been dreaming of a mobile app that focuses on traditional frame by frame animation and the craft of actually “drawing”. I’m sure that eventually PD will adopt all of the expected tools used to enhance contemporary production pipelines - AND MORE. In fact, I heard that procreate is already eagerly developing an Apple Vision Pro version of their platform! In the interim, PD’s missing Lasso tool has been a bit of a blessing in disguise for me personally. It FORCES me to return to those basic, essential DRAWING skills that were diligently practiced before the Digital age emerged. By the time they hammer out their upgrades, my drafting skills will be much stronger💪🏾 I sincerely hope that ToonSquid is working to improve their performance issues as well. Their relentless lagging difficulties, screeched production to a halt before Procreate Dreams arrived. I hope you NEVER have to experience the frustrating problems that I did!

[@HonestHeartsClub]

@@Op09687 learn to draw..all you bums crying bout lasso tool wtf lmao

[@TRINHPXL]

@@Tonabillity oh hey its you again in the wild XD tbf one TS file shouldnt be used for a mv, ya need to break it down with scenes xP

[@gokuturkey]

Toonsquid is better and will be much better if be able detach from the mistakes of procreate such as missing custom key option, non-adjustable menus, missing audio editing, features etc...

[@rhiocsnoops1576]

was super hyped for procreat dreams. then i started it and welll... i was super disappointed. coming from programs of the adobe suite. i haaated dreams UI. everything is hidden. so many missing features that are just basic stuff like a lasso tool. changing FPS of imported media and so much more. i guess i give the squid a go. that looks much better for animating. and dreams STILL wont import picture sequences correctly?? this is insane. its nice that they have a big team but gosh. they fail hard in bug fixing even the most important stuff. they really kill their reputation with dreams. thank you for this comparisson video.

[@Zarpas]

I use Toonquid for storyboarding, but for a finished animations lacks somes tools so I export the SB and rough animation to other software like CSP

[@antares3030]

agreed

[@JustACoolBee]

I use flipaclip because im broke

[@blueberrydragon5160]

Toonsquid is 9€ (about 10 bucks…)

[@Im_in_your_house_666]

​@@blueberrydragon5160 damn, that's a lot :( (USD → PLN)

[@AkhilPatel]

Toonsquid is wonderful! Let's go Keiwan!

[@seeforkat]

This app is still super impressive for a one guy project.

[@TMC3000]

I like pocreate dreams more though....I'm usually drawn to it every time I'm inspired to animate. I can't rule out the lack of lasso tool in pdreams but I still like it and hope for the feature to be added. I use toonsquid for light motion graphics which in my opinion trumps in that department. All in all, both apps are great n their uniqueness.

[@Tonabillity]

Have you found any workarounds for the lack of Lasso tool?

[@TMC3000]

@@Tonabillitynot really but it helps me to draw more and more precisely through consistency. Animation techniques is all about problem solving so you just need to find something that works best for you….sorry for late response!

[@Tonabillity]

@@TMC3000Thank you for your thorough reply. I own ToonSquid as well, but I’m currently hooked on Dreams! I’m just now realizing that when most people speak of Animation, they are probably thinking of the “modern day” definition, i.e. motion graphics, rigging, etc. So within that context, they no doubt have a legit point in finding Procreate Dreams useless. And there are indeed a plethora of apps that out-perform PD in that regard. However, I am only interested in ONE particular thing. Traditional (old-school) frame by frame Character Animation. But that technique is so old-fashioned that one must have the capacity to draw EXTREMELY well, with or without contemporary lasso tools. So most users go into a rage whenever I acknowledge that PD forces me to practice drawing better, without the aid of Cut & Past tools that I usually rely on. On the other hand, I find that PD’s navigation interface, so DYNAMIC and futuristic, that it simply cannot be beat, flaws and all! I’m constantly amazed by how fluidly I can move frames around non-linearly, and on the fly. I’m currently working on a dialogue scene, and my capacity to adjust frame lengths to work out timing (and acting) has been tremendously upgraded. I can only equate it with freestyle rapping! However, I’m highly aware that I’m in the minority of those who are hyper-focused on such ancient techniques. ToonSquid fans usually fly into a rage whenever I praise the benefits of Procreate Dreams so enthusiastically. I’ve been accused of spamming, trolling, and everything else! It’s very rare to see someone who appreciates the benefits of such a flawed program as much as I do, so thanks again for your unbiased input 👍🏽

[@TMC3000]

@@Tonabillity you nailed it with remarkable honesty….I would love to see your work if you allowed…..I believe a community of artist and animators should be opened up for assistance, motivation, and also inspiration as well. I gave the ToonSquid & Callipeg guys an idea of having a monthly challenge as a means of promoting the app and also to keep it in people’s subconscious. Callipeg is already doing such which is good but I can’t use it cos it expensive for me right now. PDreams is serving its purpose real good and will only get better,…after all it’s just the beginning!

[@fariiidmahmoodi]

I used both and for me ToonSquid is the one to go! Much more intuitive, everything you need for drawing and animating is in one place and easy to reach. The biggest advantage of Toonsquid is having vector brushes and shapes. Very well done Keiwan!

[@tamcong9483]

Thank you so much

[@PixelSubstream]

I feel like trying to emphasize an intuitive and less-technically minded workflow works better in Procreate since it's okay for single illustrastions, but once you are working with frames and video encoding pipelines, the procreate approach is too fuddy duddy and it feels like Procreate Dreams doesn't really want to support granular and fine tuning with its lack of tools and precision.

[@AccuserAnimations]

I still believe in procreate dreams

[@Jobi479]

If dreams adds a last tool I will think about using it again for now I’m a toonsquid

[@amandalee847]

What about callipeg vs toonsquid? Which is better??

[@captureinsidethesound]

Procreate Dreams is an animator and compositor that isn’t limited by linear processing like ToonSquid that’s a more traditional animator. Procreate and Procreate Dreams have the ability to paint and light 3D models and likely animate them in the near future. ToonSquid can’t just add these features with a “update”. ToonSquid might not have the financial support to afford starting from scratch and programming/developing an application with the ability to do complex layering which requires a low-level API (Metal 3) for advanced real-time/parallel processing. Yes, you can do what Procreate Dreams does on a compositing level but it requires third-party apps and clever work arounds on a more manual approach. But, that’s what’s great about ToonSquid :)

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

The Developer for ToonSquid should be charging WAY more for his product.

[@gamesdog9067]

Dreams is so disappointing.

[@diduardnoob8023]

toonsquid is better

[@Sed731]

Procreate vs toon squid - Saitama vs his fist

[@DreamWizard9]

Dreams interface is much more minimal than ToonSquid.

[@thephilosopher5799]

Probably should just wait a year and then get procreate dreams while buying toon squid now

[@axotical8682]

No pen stabilization in Dreams. Not ready for what I need to do, maybe later. Also I detest the interface…I want something more traditional. Uninstalled. I’m using Rough Animator now.

[@Tonabillity]

I hated PD’s interface as well, until I learned how to use it. I now find it to be transformative!! YES, it’s challenging to learn because it’s UNPRECEDENTED! There’s absolutely NOTHING like it! As for ToonSquid, it is NOT a professional program. In the middle of playing my animated music video, it began to stutter and stop. I tried it on my second iPad and still it relentlessly stutters! Finally, I imported the video into PD and it plays as SMOOTH as BUTTER! You can KEEP ToonSquid. I have a video to finish!! 🤷🏾

[@TMC3000]

@@Tonabillity loved your response…..no doubt PD has a lot of features missing for now but soon enough will be added. Inspite of these shotcomings, i was able to do a fantastic short on it. I just found myself getting inspiration and motivation to do something everyday but i had ToonSquid long before it and I couldn’t do much with it even though it has most desirable features in it. First, the interface looks stiff, tacky and plain though easy to navigate but my UX was not great.

[@Tonabillity]

@@TMC3000 STIFF is precisely the word that I was looking for to describe ToonSquid! Like it’s trapped within a former paradigm that is swiftly transforming into something much more fluid and dynamic!❤️‍🔥 Have you yet discovered any workarounds for the lack of lasso tool in PD?

[@TMC3000]

@@Tonabillity not quite yet but the only thing I do was using a lot of tracks for the ones I want to move and clean & redraw the ones I can’t. It’s a tedious venture though but I’m hoping they release it on time. NB: I can never use rough animator….cant find my zeal to work in that app.

[@Tonabillity]

@@TMC3000 Yup. Let’s say that I have a character (wearing a hat) eating lunch at an outdoor café for 50 frames. Halfway through, I want a gust of wind to blow the characters hat off. So on the frame 25 I would copy and paste that frame onto a new track above. On the bottom track, I would erase the hat. On the top track, I would erase everything EXCEPT for the hat. This leaves me with a hat that’s free to animate being blown off of the characters head. As you mentioned, it’s tedious, but at least doable for now!

[@badmax7319]

I like Fresco. There I can animate evry layer

[@BlueberriesInMyGarden]

regret buying procreate dreams, it’s impossible to use

[@computer__eyez]

Seems everyone is saying: *Toonsquid is the champion sound.* You should host a Poll. Time for me to look up Toonsquid sci-fi tutorials

[@SY_Design22]

Toonsquid is easier 😊

[@davidagiel8130]

Dreams is a disappointment without bones and rigging animation.

[@TheLuconic]

at the time, I didnt even know procreate was making an animation software. But despite that, it never promised rigging. So get off your high horse and accept that unless its been actually presented with bones for rigging, always expect it wont have it. And that at the moment, the devs are either unable to make it or are still working on creating a fully rigging software for ipad and tablets out there. cuz the tech for tablets in general is kinda iffy. its getting better each year but some still are not powerful enough to handle such processing. If I recall, apple literally holds back their M1 and even M2 chips on purpose. idk why, but they are. So, stop being a baby and use what we have now or use your PC instead. If you that impatient and egotistical, get your own dev team or solo it, and create the rigging app.

[@Tonabillity]

@@TheLuconic Well said.👌🏾 Eventually, PD will have all of the bells and whistles that everyone else has. But for now what makes it different from every other platform is the very same thing that makes Procreate different from every other platform. It’s the very best DRAWING app that I’ve ever experienced. And for me, there’s nothing sweeter than DRAWING in Procreate Dreams. All of my favorite brushes are there and drawing is a smooth as butter! So I’m using the lack of a lasso tool, and merge layers function as the perfect excuse to simply DRAW more❤️‍🔥 This makes me a happy camper

[@sinshash2842]

@@Tonabillitylack of quick shape is the turn off for me

[@KnightBott]

Easy…ToonSquid. 🏆

[@foxeyestudios7021]

ToonSquid. Easy.

[@oatlol8399]

I prefer Toonsquid but the feature Cant compare to procreate dream😢

[@mostafafarweez3161]

That's a really great and through video of dreams, and 1st time seeing squid. Even though dreams still have some issues and are regularly fixing them through updates as regularly as they can. I believe dreams has the potential to be like it's sister app, procreate but for animation. & will get there hopefully soon. Great video, I like it a lot, & hope to soon see more videos on procreate dreams 🩷✨️💖😊

[@BeastieFloyd]

GROUPED LAYERS!!! Procreate lacks it.

[@marcgoodrich]

If you buy procreate dreams, it has so many missing features ----------- if you buy procreate dreams will be missing the opportunity to actually make compleat animation //////for the extra $10 if you get toon squid has all the features so that you can make a complete animation //unfortunately procreate dreams will take another year or two before it is useful // that being said, procreate is an amazing program