Toon Boom Harmony VS Clip Studio Paint

[@missplayer30]

TVPAint vs Clip Studio Paint. This feel like a much more fair comparison.

[@godslayerreginald]

Already happened

[@Gilluled]

TVPaint is very frustrating for anime work. It lacks tools, just got layers a month ago, no vectors, terrible light table, etc. The only reason it's functional at all is because they rely on other people to program in features for them.

[@coinopanimator]

​@@Gilluledit's had layers for years. It just got layer folders. The light table is great and yeah it's a bitmap package so no vectors. As a FbF package it's fantastic to use and quick. It is starting to feel a little long in the tooth compared to toon boom.

[@gorillaprutt]

As someone who's been using Toon Boom Harmony Essentials for years, it's important to note too that the different version are VASTLY different in what they offer (you can see the differences on their website). Essentials, the cheapest of the versions, does not offer any of the textured brushes, only the basic round ones, tilted and no pen-pressure ones. Pencil brush does not have pen pressure at all. It has a restricted dimension setting and won't go bigger than 2048x1556. Essentials does not have node view. It does not have the X-sheet. There are way more differences than the ones I've written above, but those are the ones that have caused issues for me personally when doing my job. I've been meaning to upgrade for years, but it's so expensive. *edit: i know this was mentioned in the video. just wanted to underline that even as a freelancer that's been working on professional things the other options are still too expensive for me, which is why I use Essentials still. When I can't use Essentials, I use clip studio paint to animate in.

[@julianc691]

quick question... II am an aspiring 2d artist animator.. Do you recommend toonboom harmony above everything? and what is an alternative for Mac? thank you

[@noctisraizel6498]

@@julianc691 As the person you have asked didn't respond, as a 2D/3D Animation student who recently graduated, I can tell you my experience and opinion after trying both. The premium Toon Boom Harmony version might be one of the best options, but it's too expensive, so in the end it all depends on different factors. Instead of Mac it would be better to use Windows as you have more animation software options that might be good to use without them being too expensive (Mac user here talking form experience. I needed to try and get Windows bc of the Mac software limitations while studying), but for Mac, Clip Studio Paint is probably the safest option(also Toon Boom Harmony premium if you have the money to afford it but as a student I wouldn't go straight to it and try other less expensive options). There's also Krita and OpenToonz as animation softwares and I believe they are free (I haven't try it yet but a classmate used it and said it was pretty similar to toon boom in the way it works) Toon boom Harmony is a really intuitive program, but it's too expensive, the cheapest option isn't that good (you don't have the pen pressure so your lines have a variety depending on how you draw so it ends up more "rough" looking, and a lot of other things as the one who commented before said, it has a lot of downsides) and for a student the other options aren't quite affordable. I would say that you do the trial version of each program and see which feels better for you first. Clip Studio isn't as intuitive but a student can afford it, the end result might end up more clean (in case you are used to do a lot of layers for colors, details, shadows and lights, Clip Studio is actually better than Toon Boom in that case as in toon boom you only have one color layer(which you can cheat by doing a copy of the frames' timing and do only shadows in another timeline, yes, but it's not as comfortable, at least for me) also you have the pen pressure in almost any brush you might want to use so for lineart I find it better) and you have actually a lot more brushes and options, as the users also make brushes, and once you get used to it, it's actually pretty good. For example in my case I ended up using Clip Studio Paint more for lineart, color and the end result(without the effects and stuff that it's done one Premiere and After Effects) bc it was more confortable to me, while to make the base movement( key frames, in-betweens, and etc) I found it easier to use Toon Boom Harmony (the cheap version bc I cannot afford the premium ones and bc in class we used Toon Boom Harmony premium, I had to get at least the cheapest one to do the assignments or else I would have to spend all the day in class and try to get free seats...), so I usually do my roughs in Toon Boom, and clean it up in Clip Studio. Also for backgrounds you can "cheat" a bit in Clip Studio thanks to the 3D assets but you can do that too in Toon Boom by Exporting a 3D camera from a 3d programs, let it be blender, Maya or 3D max, but if you don't want to learn a lot of programs, just go for Clip Studio, it's a pretty complete program and has other utilities too aside from Animation.

[@Aitor]

I feel your pain. Have you tried Moho? The upgraded version 14 brings many amazing features to the table.

[@jiingflower]

I've been trying to find a guide to help me improve the brushes for years at this point... siiigh....

[@coinopanimator]

I think this goes some way to explain why all most Toon Boom shows look alike.

[@someuser4166]

you forgot to mention CSP is the successor to RETAS, made by the same company. RETAS is what the anime industry used up until CSP came out

[@aceremis462]

Rig Animation- Toonboom Tradigital animation- Clip Studio

[@mostafafarweez3161]

Really Great and has strong points for both softwares, their usages and pros and cons. I really like this video and can't wait for more videos, especially that include Toon Boom Harmony :)

[@JeskaDax]

Thank you for talking about the payment types up front. I absolutely despise subscription-based software. Unless a company has to maintain servers or other infrastructure for the product to operate in some fundamentally required way (not just adding something to force it to need that), then subscription is all about cash grab and trying to screw people out of their money. At the lowest cost for TonBoom of $200/yr (inflation?), that translates to $2k over 10 years. And if you don't with to keep paying it, suddenly what? You can't do your work anymore? It seems cheap, but it's not. And the ONLY reason for that model is to get more money out of people. That said, you get a like and sub from me for letting me know this up front.

[@DistinctlyMeFilms]

You have the ability to buy a perpetual license for both

[@JeskaDax]

@@DistinctlyMeFilms Thanks. Tho it doesn't much matter anymore as I already have the lifetime for CSP now. But knowing this gives me a bit of hope.

[@deqobot9389]

Toon boom actually does have a perpetual license option, however it's only shown just before checkout and is hidden behind a tab

[@jeanandre4023]

Yes, the Toon Boom Harmony Premium perpetual license is currently $2,292.00 USD. Or you can make an annual $1,044.00 payment (every year for the rest of your life! ... or at least however long you want to continue using Harmony) or $128.50 a month (for the rest of your life! ... or at least however long you want to keep using Harmony Premium). If you're going to use Harmony on an ongoing basis and you don't work for a big animation studio who is paying for the Harmony license, it is very expensive. $128.50 a month subscription fee for 1 year = $1,542.00 .

[@TwistedLila]

I needed and love this video. A suggestion: When you show examples while talking about both programs, please put the name of which software was used. Thx

[@Noob-zi2ce]

I love these versus videos. Keep doing it!

[@DanzyRemix]

Toonboom harmony is built for anination and clipstudio ia more built for drawing and painting.

[@cloudaxolotl6894]

One thing that destroys me about CSP is how often files get corrupted and sometimes make files vanish. When I try to use a backup version of the file, most of my progress is gone so if I were to animate with it, I’d assume most of my animations would just flip me the bird

[@anatolian6269]

The disk that contains your clip files is probably corrupted. Check its health with "hard disk sentinel" program. Because im using it since last year, spamming clip files that has animation in it to my pc, all of them are accessable rn.

[@ladybugbee]

3:15 LACKADAISY!! 😭❤

[@CrankWavesbackupchannel]

Something I do wanna add is that Toon boom does offer perpetual licenses and not only monthly or yearly subscriptions.

[@ShirakoriMio]

"Toonboom harmony is the leading animation software for frame by frame and puppet rigging animation" Live2D cubism: "Am I a joke to you?" lol Also, CSP's biggest feature that sets it apart isn't the price. That's great too, but the biggest thing that sets it apart is without question it's stability. People really forget how terribad alternatives are by comparison.

[@UndergroundCongress]

LIVE2D cubism is nowhere near industry standard but ok

[@Axiasart]

I'm always surprised about how most videos you upload are more often than not very relevant to my situation xD

[@bonaventura_AKA_ben]

How about comparing Open Toonz to Harmony? Would love to see that.

[@c4rvidd_]

based on experience (and pricing) opentoonz is better, it has almost all the same features and even more and plus ITS FREE!!!!!

[@godslayerreginald]

Already happened

[@KHr0M]

I would like to hear your opinion about Krita

[@rfernandez1648]

Toonboom is a royal pain in the butt, and it is ridiculously expensive

[@newbreedartistzone]

All valid except the steep learning curve on toon boon. Toon boon is fantastic ..plan on 6 months of coffee lock the door and toon boom learning..but that equals J O B. Clip studio Paint fantastic comics and illustration .....learning curve ..near zero if you use other software.

[@KrunoslavStifter]

I'm surprised Moho was not part of the video. Great tool for animation.

[@jeanandre4023]

Moho compared to Harmony would be a much better comparison. (Harmony vs Clip Studio Paint is an apples or oranges type of comparison)

[@KrunoslavStifter]

@@jeanandre4023 I agree. The video lists also the price point, but if I'm not mistaken Harmony is more expensive than Moho and Moho if price is a topic, would be more comparable to Clip Studio. Also for animation it seems to me Moho and Harmony are made for, while clip studio tries to be more of a jack of all trades and master of only few, and those few are not animation tools.

[@TwistedDen2024]

I know this video is from a year ago but I wanted to know if you're able to import an image of a character you already have drawn or maybe got off Google to animate? Like those free reference images, not sure if I'm wording this correctly lol. Can you import a character with an invisible background and then be able to animate that character? If not with any of these listed is it possible in other software that you can name? Thank you.

[@LoneBagels]

What I wanna know is... why there's no character creator program or addon for any of these 2D animation programs? It doesn't make any sense why any artist would manually create characters in Photoshop over and over again. Something like Reallusion's Character Creator but for 2D would be awesome. Let the software generate a 360 rig with all the limbs, fists, facial expressions, etc.

[@Mihimal4]

Clip studio vs MOHO Please ❤❤❤

[@SeianVision]

I use krita for animate frame by frame. 💪

[@KHr0M]

I don’t quite understand how convenient this is. Krita as a program is not bad at all, but it’s not realistic to use it for animation, even frame by frame

[@just_geus]

@@KHr0M Telepurte He uses Krita for animation and art

[@GabrielSylvestre-NP]

What about Clip Studio Paint Ex vs TvPaint Animation 12?

[@gavinskink3951]

Great points , but I have question . Between grease pencil, clip studios and toon boom harmony , who's the best 2d animation software

[@aumqar6084]

Clip studio is best

[@SHADZA4321]

Toon boom is the best. It's specifically designed for 2D animation and as someone who has experience with it. It's definitely worth learning especially for jobs. However, you have to think more on a financial mindset and what you are going for. Toon Boom is expensive. And if your only goal is to learn frame by frame animation, I would get a cheaper alternative.

[@godslayerreginald]

​@@SHADZA4321what if you don't care about budget

[@SHADZA4321]

@godslayerreginald well, if you are able to poop money, then go with Toonboom.

[@godslayerreginald]

@@SHADZA4321 bet

[@youngbreezybt]

Compare Opentoonz to harmony please

[@godslayerreginald]

Happened already

[@brandoonf6962]

krita vs tahoma2d please

[@user-rv7kk1to9h]

Harmony just better for frame by frame animation. U have so much control over line. And if u not a good line artist clip studio not for you

[@Aitor]

I would suggest people who are freelancers and making a living out of animation to give Moho 14 a real try. You won't be disappointed.

[@youngbreezybt]

Compare Opentoonz to harmony

[@jjglaser]

$19/month CAD for clip studio EX is too expensive if you are not currently proffesional. I already bought the whole software, now I have to keep paying monthly to get updates...

[@UndergroundCongress]

$19 a month is nothing…

[@Isaiah_Crawford_Art]

You can be a pro animator in csp

[@upsidedownhorror]

I ALWAYS PIRATE MY PROGRAMS AND GAMES SO PRICES ARE NOT PROBLEM FOR ME

[@Omnitrix8]

This is not a fair comparison.

[@godslayerreginald]

It is

[@david_t_nethery_animator]

There is no end to it. And this never ending parade of "Software Orange vs Software Apple" videos just pour gasoline on the fire , making it worse. Art should not be software specific or software dependent . It's a tool. Use whatever software you like and will get the results on screen that you want. "Comparison is the Thief of Joy" , "apples vs. oranges" , yada yada yada ...