A Brief History - A Guide To The Unbound Doctors - Part 1

Alright settle down, it’s time for another history lesson and today we’ll be starting a new chapter, beginning a look over the Whoniverses many Unbound Doctors
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[@CaptainJimiPie]

*_IMPORTANT NOTE : Please read before commenting_* Part 2 can be found here : kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHSqpWSjgNemaJY Below I have addressed some commonly raises points in from the comments Point : What did you mean about The War Doctor? Response : To clarify my point at 0:49, I AM including the War Doctor as a canon Doctor as part of the line up between 1 - 13. The way I phrased it perhaps makes it sound like I'm saying The War Doctor in an Unbound Doctor, which is not the case, I fully accept the War Doctor as canon! Point : Are these Doctor's now canon/Pre-Hartnell Doctors? Response : That is something which is open to interpretation however personally I think not, there is nothing in the narrative to suggest they should now be counted as canon and maybe of Big Finish's Unbound stories feature very "final" elements to their narrative of that particular incarnations lives, as such I would still consider them Unbound/alternate.

[@stephaniepage4334]

This video is awesome

[@thatsci-firogue]

I love the Full Fathom Five Doctor, such a fascinating character, definitely a Doctor I wouldn't want to travel with.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Indeed! A very good but very dark character

[@crimsondynamo615]

I doubt he even had companions, since he was alone when he first showed up at the DEEP, and with his personality who would want to go with him

[@MrSukram777]

Sadly he got the most disappointing ending IMO. :(

[@SamuelBlack84]

A Doctor who is truly alien

[@nefariousgremlin7554]

Just listened to "Sympathy For The Devil" and god, David Warner's Doctor is just phenomenal.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

It is indeed! He will be part of this series in future but as he's had the most expanded history I'll probably do his timeline as a separate video

[@royalewithcheese9291]

Wow that second unbound incarnation is dark. Like Torchwood dark.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

He is very, well worth listening to!

[@daccopp30]

Definitely I would like to hear about the unbound Valeyard from the "what if The Valeyard won" story

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I will be covering him in a future video

[@BrotherJosephus]

Interesting to note that whilst a sex-change regeneration resulting from suicide might not be canon, we've seen it seemingly happen to the Master after being stabbed by his future self (foreshadowed by the line about not being 'self-destructive') and the Doctor becoming a woman a few hours after effectively blowing himself up. The General might be the only onscreen exception so far, unless we count him 'allowing' the Doctor to 'kill' him.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I did at one point consider doing a fan theory on that idea, however when you look into it The Master, The Twelfth Doctor & The General's death are more stretched to "self-sacrifice" or at the very least "suicide by..." which could be debated. Also when you look at the expanded media regarding same change regenerations there are several which are clearly just normal circumstances of a regeneration which result in a sex change. Lastly too there are plenty of other instances of a "suicidal" regeneration which didn't result in a sex-change, most notably The Fifth, Ninth & Tenth Doctor's sacrificing their lives to save their respective companions Peri & Rose & Wilf. I think it's a fantastic concept certainly, and in a way a shame it never got to be part of the official canon, but it would be difficult to fit in it now given the evidence

[@robertfeld5829]

I love the Unbound Doctors (the one where Doctor Who didn't go in as a TV series is not my idea of something I want to listen to), so thanks for putting this up.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks, and that would be Deadline, which is actually quite good, and I will probably be covering that particular "Doctor" in my next Unbound Guide video.

[@robertfeld5829]

When Do you plan on making and uploading Part Two?

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

Deadline is fucking brilliant, you should absolutely listen to it.

[@anthonyjohn9579]

Can’t wait for you to cover the Unbound doctor played by Sir Derek Jacobi

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I will be covering him in either Part 2 or 3

[@crimsondynamo615]

What other actor can have as a notch in their belt that they played both the Master and the Doctor

[@teddyedward1973]

How can anyone consider Peter Cushing canon? The very idea terrifies the nation!

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well actually Cushing had his own theory that the character he played in the movies was a future incarnation of the TV Doctor who once again encounter the Celestial Toy Maker and was forced to entertain him by reliving imaginary versions of his past adventures. Whilst it's not something I believe myself, many do and so I have done a video about it : kzbin.info/www/bejne/bp_MgmNtq8llq6M

[@justwar1214]

Wished that they did more of these unbound stories.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well they have continued to use David Warner's Doctor in Bernice Summerfield series, but I always thought it was a shame they never did more of the general Unbound series. I always thought them picking up The Shalka Doctor as an Unbound series would have been great!

[@justwar1214]

@@CaptainJimiPie Exactly true I'm not losing hope on a Shalka Doctor unbound series depends on if there going to do an anniversary of when Scream of the Shalka came out then they'll probably do something.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I think it's very unlikely they'll ever revisit The Shalka Doctor and some kind of anniversary is very unlikely too given that Scream Of The Shalka isn't all that popular/relevant, but it would be nice to see Big Finish atleast perhaps adapt the sequel story The Feast Of The Stone one day

[@crimsondynamo615]

I want to see an unbound version of an alternate ending to Caves of Androzani. The fifth doctor drinks the antidote instead of giving it to peri. I wonder how that would go

[@yee-raplantar-maximoff4318]

Don’t worry, it seems you’re getting your wish now :) (I hope they do more than just the War Sixth Doctor though 🤣)

[@ZReaders]

Full Fathom Five is always a strong favourite of mine. It took me several re-listens before something occurred to me with the Doctor knowing the D.E.E.P.'s operation and just how dangerous it'd be. Maybe it's just my interpretation, but I think he saw the results in the future, probably severely destructive given the super soldier plans, and then decided to go back and prevent it all from happening. He could try and fan the flames, but feels that stopping the experiments in the past would be for the best.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Agreed, I think I like it because it's so unlike anything else we get in Doctor Who. And I think that's the general idea, as the premise is that this is a Doctor who believes "the ends justify the means", so even though he's acting with the best intentions, he's doing so with a ruthlessness that we've not come to expect from The Doctor.

[@Rossmaclellan101]

I didn't know about any of this. It sounds very interesting. Can't wait for part 2

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well always good to know my videos are informative!

[@CaptainJimiPie]

@@NativS2002 Whenever I get around to making it, I don't have a set schedule

[@MrExplosion449]

I have always been interested in the big finish unbound series

[@CaptainJimiPie]

It's well worth listening!

[@nintendonut100]

The Collings Doctor is genuinely terrifying in Full Fathom Five.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

He is very, but then I think that's what makes it so good, it's so unlike anything else we've heard before, at least from The Doctor

[@SamuelBlack84]

Ironic, considering his role as Silver in Sapphire and Steel is the exact opposite, being charming and sophisticated

[@crimsondynamo615]

The Doctor that justifies the means sounds like if the Doctor was exactly like the Master, except without the idea of being a tyrant.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Kind of except The Master doesn't care about the end unless they benefit HIM, The FFF incarnation of The Doctor is still acting in the best interests of the majority without personal gain but is willing to sacrifice the minority to do it

[@CosmicWhovian]

Geoffrey Bayldon was a wonderful 1st Doctor

[@CaptainJimiPie]

He was a fantastic actor all round, it is a shame Big Finish never did more with his Unbound Doctor

[@CosmicWhovian]

@@CaptainJimiPie I can't wait to see more he had done! Great video as usual!

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks

[@CulturePhilter]

I really must check out the unbound Doctors at some point. Been meaning to for years but have never gotten around to it.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

They are brilliant! Well worth checking out!

[@daccopp30]

What if there was a continuation of Full Fathom Five, I mean think about it, imagine Ruth taking the tardis key (Don't shoot me), and she somehow managed to travel to Gallifrey where she would probably get captured by the Time Lords, she questions them about The Doctor, in which they respond with every horrid act he did, maybe even delving into full fathom Master maybe.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Other people have said that and suggested that The FFF Doctor is now canon but that would make no sense. The whole point of the story of Full Fathom Five is that it ends with *SPOILER ALERT* the death of The Doctor as they are continually shot until they die for good...yes we only see/hear it happen once but the narrative is pretty is conclusive by implication. If you try to retcon it by saying they SOMEHOW survive, then it completely ruins the "Ends Justifying The Means" narrative, with the ironic twist being that The Doctor dies (and by extension condemns his own future selves) by the very code he decided to live by

[@daccopp30]

@@CaptainJimiPie I am by all means not saying retcon The Doctor dying, I'm just suggesting a idea that could put more history to The Full Fathom Doctor

[@CaptainJimiPie]

But that's my point...in order to continue you the story you'd have the retcon The Doctor dying, because as I said the story implication is that The Doctor is continually killed until they're dead for good.

[@blueknight07]

The Unbound doctors are fascinating. I'd love to see Big Finish expand the series in the future.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

They have done a few expansions on the Unbound series, with Warner's Doctor travelling with Bernice Summerfield and the new "Doctor Of War" series featuring an alternate Fifth Doctor

[@blueknight07]

@@CaptainJimiPie Yeah I've seen those. I'd like them to focus on more What Ifs. I know there aren't really any big ones left but i think they'd be very entertaining.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I think there are plenty of ideas they can do, but I'd imagine the licensing rights to do alternate versions of existing stories could be difficult.

[@mathieuleader8601]

I remember getting dead excited that Annabelle Weir appeared to be cast in the Doctor, the Witch and the Wardrobe with the exile doctor having appeared in this episode

[@CaptainJimiPie]

She was in the episode but she wasn't the Exile Doctor, she was a completely unrelated character

[@mathieuleader8601]

@@CaptainJimiPie I'm talking about when the christmas special was first announced I got excited thinking that the Exile doctor was appearing

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Ah I see, now I'm with you!

[@michaelsegal7443]

I think their was one where the Brigadeer was considered a full companion

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Yes there is but this is only Part 1, so there will be other videos in future looking at other Unbound Doctors

[@DeltaZinnia]

Your videos are sooo good. Best dw KZbin channel

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks, although there are far better WhoTubers out there than me!

[@whovain]

this vid sparked me to listen to the unbound range looking forward to part 2

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks!

[@sirjedisentinel]

I'm curious. Because he's Unbound, but he's not exactly a Doctor, will you be covering Martin Bannister?

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Yes I will be, probably in the next video of this series, as he might not actually be a Doctor but part of his what if and story is that he believes himself to be him

[@CrossoverKid92]

I honestly can't take Exile as a serious piece of Who narrative, canon or not. It's just so daft its really hard to see it as anything but a spoof. I should really re-listen to these at some point....its a weird but wonderful ride

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I used to think that but listening to it again recently and taking the "daft" moments into account as more comedy, it's actually quite a dark story in it's own right, a black comedy if you will

[@f-zilla7347]

The Alternate First Doctor and F.F.F Doctor are great… but dear god the Exile Doctor was just… no

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Personally I quite liked her, it was more comedic, unlike Doctor Who would normally do

[@f-zilla7347]

@@CaptainJimiPie True. But the type of comedy that they tried to do with her was.. a bit much for me

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Fair enough, I can understand how it's not for everyone

[@alistairrae9807]

All Versions Of The Doctor has There up’s and down’s Tennant is my Favourite Of The Unbound Doctors I will Say the One From Full Fathom Five is my Favourite From Unbound

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I agree with the Full Fathom Five Doctor however I'm not sure where you got the idea that Tennant (assuming you mean David Tennant's Tenth Doctor) is Unbound, he's part of the official line up and therefore canon.

[@alistairrae9807]

CaptainJimiPie sorry that is my Fault not Cleaning that Up Sorry

[@CaptainJimiPie]

No worries!

[@blackphoenix77]

I've always heard bad things about Exile....😐

[@CaptainJimiPie]

It's certainly not to everyone's tastes but personally I think it's great and I'd certainly recommend giving it a listen before deciding if it's any good or not

[@brandonkelly9271]

I love these

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks!

[@conspiragames5329]

Sweet vid~! Wondering: Do you know enough about the war in heaven storyline to explain it? Because when I try to make sense of it, I damn near feel my brain melting out of my ear.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks and at the moment no as I haven't actually read any of the books concerning it myself, however I do have it marked down in future for this series, so it might be a while off yet but there will be a video(s) on it eventually

[@crimsondynamo615]

I tried to read the wiki and i think i got maybe six or seven paragraphs in before i gave up

[@JonathanFalconeryt]

Could you do a Arabella Weir doctor figure. Maybe in a Sainsbury’s uniform

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Not an idea that really interests me, sorry

[@JonathanFalconeryt]

CaptainJimiPie ahaha no problem just thought it would be funny

[@CaptainJimiPie]

No worries

[@AndrewAtoZ]

What happened to the next part?

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I haven't made it yet

[@ryanlamb2636]

Hi Mate nice video when does part 2 come out.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks, and no set date for Part 1 as I've got several other Part 1's of different subjects in this series to do first

[@CosmiKazie]

2 days ago

[@TrenchFootFilms]

Part.2 please

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I will be doing Part 2 in future, however my A Brief History series is on-going so I'm doing all Part 1's of the various subjects I will be discussing first

[@backtothefutureman1]

My favorite is the third one cause I've always supported the idea of a female doctor and is the one I've known about for a long time but never listened the anybody the audio stories.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well I'd throughly recommend giving the others a listen too!

[@backtothefutureman1]

@CaptainJimiPie I meant I've never listened to any Doctor who Big Finish audio stories ever.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well I'd throughly recommend listening to more of them

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I'm not really sure why you're mentioning that as it's got nothing to do with the context of the video or this comment...?

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well to be fair there is some debate as to whether Missy follows directly on from Simm, personally I think she does but on screen it's left ambiguous, not to mention whether it counts a suicide or not could be debated, plus there are plenty of other instances where a TimeLord changes gender without commit suicide

[@lordhistory5209]

I've only heard about doctor who unbound only recently make me think of my own timelord adventures

[@CaptainJimiPie]

They are very good, it's actually what inspired me to do my own series, setting it in a completely separate continuity rather than fitting it into an existing one

[@lordhistory5209]

@@CaptainJimiPie are you curious about my idea 💡

[@CaptainJimiPie]

What idea?

[@lordhistory5209]

@@CaptainJimiPie well what if there was a young timelord who was very interested in historical events and the doctor became the mentor who teaches him how to fly a new version of the Tardis 2 (only difference it's purple not blue) and as a side notes sometimes will show up with the doctor while he's (or she's) traveling in time and space

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well plenty of people do their own adventure series so there's no reason not to do your own

[@miked3038]

Nice video. For me though as a fan of only the classic show the only doctors are 1-7.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks and that's fair enough, each to their own after all

[@shanquelmondecesions4525]

I mean, this is very early Big Finish. These stories are much more like Classic Who than modern Who. I'm pretty sure all of the original unbound stories were released before Rose was even aired.

[@hiltondriver5054]

Will that include an American actor like Christopher Lloyd he would be a super Doctor

[@CaptainJimiPie]

No, because there's no such series. This is about "official" Unbound Doctor's i.e. ones that have been produced through official means, not fan creations or people wish ideas

[@bendream544]

And it's a terrible idea, we don't need that fool anyways near Dr.Who

[@yummytatersubliminals9651]

If they are non canon does that mean they are fan made

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Not really no, non-canon isn't synonymous with "fan-made" for example the BBC produced Webcast Scream Of The Shalka is considered non-canon these days but it was an official BBC production, so therefore not fan made. In short things which are "fan made" are usually & official regarded as non-canon, but not all non-canon productions are fan made, such as Big Finish's Unbound range.

[@SirMeowsAlot89]

Why is the Doctor an orphan who barley became a Timelord ( scrapping by with a 51% on his second attempt). The only person to be president of the Timelords? I have never understood this, ever since the fourth Doctor claimed the right to be president since he was the only available legal candidate.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I think you've misheard/misunderstood ALOT of information. The Doctor isn't an orphan at all, whilst very little is known about his actual parents (and what is known is up for debate) both of his parents have been assumed to be very much alive. As for the presidency then there have been PLENTY of presidents so by no means is The Doctor the only one to be president, and The Fourth Doctor never claimed to be the only legal candidate, he stated that there is nothing in Gallifreyan and TimeLord law that prevented him from standing as a candidate despite being accused of murder at the time

[@SirMeowsAlot89]

CaptainJimiPie I just watched the invasion of time. And I swear I remember him saying to Barusa, is there another legal candidate? Also in the episode Listen. When Clara grabs the ankle of the child Doctor, who is an orphan on that slum farm. And the man says he will never be a Timelord. I only go off the TV version. I know that Big Finish is cannon ppl say. But I chose to only go by the original medium of the show (TV). Sorry, not trying to be arguable. Just trying to understand.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Again you've misremembered it slightly, what is actually said is that Goth (the only other presidential candidate) says The Fourth Doctor is abusing a legal technicality, and The Fourth Doctor replies that he is claiming a legal right. And again Listen never states that The Doctor is an orphan, he is sleeping in the barn as during his early days at the academy (which is assumed to be like a boarding school) he used to sneak out to the barn to sleep there so the other boys wouldn't hear him crying, with the two people who appear in the barn likely to be "guardians" at the school. Also whilst her identity is very much up for debate, it is generally accepted (and was written) that The Woman in The End Of Time that keeps appearing to Wilf and appears next to Rassilon is his Mother, so again not an orphan. I can understand wanting to stick to the TV version however I would recommend, at the very least, checking the TARDIS wiki for information on the expanded media, whether it's books, Big Finish or comics as otherwise you will miss out on alot of information that explains gaps in things you will miss if you only stick to the TV version

[@SirMeowsAlot89]

CaptainJimiPie got yuh, thank you for the reply’s. Love the videos (obviously since I am watching). Just last thing to be “that guy”. Isn’t Goth in The Deadly Assassin? I do not recall him in The Invasion of Time. 😅 I remember Goth saying what you said. But in The Deadly Assassin. In Invasion of Time the Doctor has no competition for president. He even remarks that Barusas new tittle could not of been appointed to him, since no one was president. And Barusa says well at the least I am still a Cardinal then. I know there have been other presidents since this episode. But ever since this episode, it seems like whenever the Doctor finds themselves on Gallifrey (5th Doctor or Peter Capaldi’s Doctor). They are instantly wanted as president or even made president.. Sorry just thought of this while typing the first part of this comment. Like you said I gotta expand the from the TV universe.

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Thanks, and yes you are right, that's my fault, sorry haha I always get Invasion Of Time & Deadly Assassin confused because they both take place mostly on Gallifrey and revolved around the presidency...so I'm the one misremembering, sorry! So you are right in what you were saying about there being no other legal candidate in that instance, as for The Doctor being president I believe that after the events of The Deadly Assassin, there were several Presidents/President-Elects, but before the events of Invasion Of Time the incumbent President committed suicide leaving them without one. At which point when The Fourth Doctor returned in IOT he reclaims the presidency after being elected in TDA and because there was no one else to challenge him he was given the title. However due to having his mind wiped by the demat gun The Fourth Doctor forgets he was elected and thus surrenders the title, to Borusa who took on the Presidency, until the events of The Five Doctors, after which due to his invovlement in saving Gallifrey The Doctor is re-elected by majority vote of the High Council, and (reluctantly) accepts but leaves Flavia as acting president, although she is later overthrown, and again many more Presidents are elected over the years, including Romana. Skipping ahead, after defeating Rassilon The Doctor resumed the title once again before abandoning it, however again probably due to his actions in the time war, when compared to Rassilon he was considered a far better man. And no worries about asking, as I said it's well worth finding out more about the expanded media, even if you don't follow it as much of it, including everything I've said above is part of it and can be missed if you only watch the TV Show.

[@lewiskent550]

Wrong the war doctor is Canon

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I think you've misunderstood me, I'm saying that any Doctors, who ARE NOT part of the First - Thirteenth line up (INCLUDING the War Doctor in that line up) are Unbound. Admittedly I didn't perhaps phrase it the best way but I certainly regard The War Doctor as canon!

[@lewiskent550]

Why do you reject the war doctor being Canon

[@CaptainJimiPie]

I'm not...I just said I'm including the War Doctor IN the canon line up

[@lewiskent550]

oh Ok thanks for the information

[@CaptainJimiPie]

No worries

[@simongerard7894]

Gosh, I’m glad I never bothered to listen to them #NoseBleed

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Well that's your choice but personally I'd recommend giving them a go, as they're not canon it's interesting to listen to the alternative ideas and timelines

[@simongerard7894]

@@CaptainJimiPie I wasn't criticising them (or your video), just commenting on the complexity :-)

[@CaptainJimiPie]

Didn't mean for it to come across that way, sorry haha I did understand what you meant :) but I do agree it is very complex but as each Unbound Doctor is their own continuity in their own right it's actually a lot less complex than it seems