A brief history of goths - Dan Adams

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What do fans of atmospheric post-punk music have in common with ancient barbarians? Not much ... so why are both known as “goths”? Is it a weird coincidence - or is there a deeper connection stretching across the centuries? Dan Adams investigates.
Lesson by Dan Adams, animation by Globizco.

[@sorcellerie]

"it's not a phase, mom" **Roman empire sweating**

[@justwilliam4802]

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[@balistah1287]

Two reply.

[@scytherowan9293]

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[@v4ncexx]

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[@kykoniko]

Five reply

[@blindoutlaw]

True gothic fashion. Chainmail armour, iron helmet and a glorious axe on your belt

[@brandonprendergast8342]

Yeah we don't need pants where we're going

[@lucasbrant9856]

@@brandonprendergast8342 Scotland?

[@collegebro85]

Then in the 90's, it turned into chained wallets, iron facial piercings, and a flimsy enough belt to let your JNCO jeans to sag to your knees...

[@Nikku4211]

Imagine Amy Lee in chainmail armour.

[@leonardoraele]

@blindoutlaw Joke police here. They used bronze at the time, not iron.

[@Saternalius]

Steampunk: When Goths discover the colour brown.

[@milhousevanhouten9136]

You just reformated a 2011 meme

[@hephsmith3738]

Happy goths.

[@roundlizard134]

@@milhousevanhouten9136 all memes are just reformatted at this point.

[@thegoblinspeaks]

see also: burningman

[@spleens4200]

No kidding lol

[@josephjackson1956]

So Goths have been edgy from the beginning

[@tsulaagenati2292]

joseph jackson yes, but the edge came from axes instead of annoying self loathing

[@TomCook-jw6ur]

joseph jackson Maybe hedgy; untrimmed; poorly maintained!

[@RedFloyd469]

@Jessey Ellis Sue Perkins said it best: Emos hate themselves, Goths hate everyone else.

[@Angel-mn3jr]

Red Floyd u do realize being goth or emo is just the music u listen to-

[@Angel-mn3jr]

Red Floyd but yes u r right🤨

[@strega0]

"If you're a Goth, where were you when we sacked Rome?"

[@vectorskywalker2235]

"oh so youre a goth? Name every Roman Country you captured."

[@yaboiiiogre1332]

Vector Skywalker There were only Two Roman Empires, and a bunch if numerous successor states from both the west and the east such as Soissons, Epirus,Trebizond, and more including the Gothic kingdom of Theodoro which became independent around a thousand years after the fall of the Western Empire. None of these were actually completely conquered by the goths. The Visigoths conquered almost all of Spain and southern Gaul and the Ostrogoths conquered Italy from Odoacer after the west fell so the Goths never took over an entire half of the Roman Empire. A much more accurate question would be to ask “If you are really gothic, how many roman cities and towns have you sacked?”

[@MrCheesecake1928]

Omg you cant ask people why they're goth!

[@4mnesia__]

Uhmmmmm I kinda had school so I couldn’t sack Rome...

[@tonchette7993]

Thousand'th like lmao

[@ashishshrma]

so you mean, it's not a phase....?

[@nickolassmith8759]

Yes, its not a phase. Ive been goth since I was 12 and Im 20 now

[@_Katzenberg]

it's more like a cyclican phase, who knows what would be called goth in the future (if there is one at all)

[@kaiserwilhelmii9705]

Gothic knights are more badass Change my mind

[@eleni4862]

Once on the goth side always on the goth side

[@Tricker-the-licker]

@@kaiserwilhelmii9705 no

[@Asteroid_Jam]

Don’t 👏say 👏you 👏want👏 a 👏goth 👏girlfriend 👏if 👏you👏freak 👏out 👏when 👏she 👏sacks 👏Rome.

[@aprilphinazee9288]

I clapped and sung it! 😋 I liked it

[@JuanManuel-ii1ov]

Sacking Rome is perfect for a first date, then Constantinople.

[@valon5069]

Juan Manuel sorry mate, that don’t exist no more. There’s only Istanbul now

[@JuanManuel-ii1ov]

@@valon5069 Byzantium, Constantinople, Istanbul, only a matter of name, still won't prevent the sacking a la 4th Crusade.

[@ethanbenner6995]

I’ll help her do it.

[@masterklaw4527]

Goth is going to outlive everyone who says it's just a phase. Current streak: >1500 years

[@mrinsomniac2968]

good news 1502 years now

[@EVanimations]

Man I love this art style, very Samurai Jack

[@pasijutaulietuviuesas9174]

EVanimations Gotta get back... Back to the past... Samurai Jack... WATCH OUT! Gotta get back...

[@EVanimations]

Man, I wasn't even implying SJ invented the style. It just happened to remind me of it. Such unnecessary hostility.

[@MasterGXD]

Morbidcrab ur mum a dunce

[@masquenmanifest]

omg i was just thinking this when i read your comment

[@FRISHR]

Extra T H I C C

[@pumpkinlightsfanservice9484]

Can we all agree that there is just something so starkly elegant in gothic architecture? It’s stunning, the amount of strength such matchstick-like pillars and arches convey, and the intricate stonework and glass just adds to the overall feel. Elegance, grace, and the demand for respect just seeps from the walls!

[@gunjfur8633]

Can't disagree

[@RikkuTakanashi]

I'd never known that Gothic architecture was called thus to be derogatory. You'd never think it looking at it's elegance and grace. I always thought it was called goth because gothic and goth tend to be associated with "darker" aspects of society and the gothic era architecture were from a period people consider the darker ages. Which, if you really think about it, the stunning architecture of the "gothic era" was actually probably the brightest and most marvelous things in the average person's life back then.

[@ducoo6212]

@@RikkuTakanashi the word goth(ic) was just a term created in the renaissance and then used to name catholic church architecture of past centuries. its just a term like byzantine with no source at all.

[@justanawkwardnerd]

I know, it must be some of the most beautiful forms of architecture I've ever seen! Definitely one of my favorites! It's just so awe-inspiring - mind-boggling how it was coined as boorish!

[@bagleboy7985]

Usually I don't mind liking comments when they're already on numbers like 666, but I can't be the one to ruin the 666 likes on THIS video.

[@genericangst8665]

You forgot one very important kind of Goth: The Sims Goths.

[@ilovecheez7769]

Ah, Indeed.

[@emryss9513]

Thank you- X3

[@ericwhang9684]

bella belongs to tha streets smh

[@GothikaRodriguez]

I stole Cecilia's Husband so I can become a Goth 🤦🏽😭

[@KatariaGujjar]

@@GothikaRodriguez Very --barbaric-- gothic of you

[@TheEyesThrone]

Ancient barbarian goths: “Im sad we havent taken over the world yet” The cure: well im just sad

[@Randive]

Rome was trying to take the world too, but I won’t deny anyone else wouldn’t have if they could.

[@hermit0715]

@@Randive Some maybe not all. I believe some of us just want to see each other prosper with freedom.

[@KatieDeGo]

I would give my foot to get Robert Smith to smile 😊

[@KornOnAKob420]

LMFAO

[@sovietblobfish2330]

When she says she’s goth but won’t execute the prime minister of Italy

[@ioannispolemarkhos7364]

Vandals then: "We'll break your stuff, we don't care." Vandals now: "We'll break your stuff, we don't care."

[@justanawkwardnerd]

Maybe that's where the word comes from?

[@liamjm9278]

@@justanawkwardnerd The Vandals sacked Rome so hard that the word Vandalism was invented.

[@akakios7386]

@@liamjm9278 And then of course Christian and Roman writers focused on that, and all the negatives without remembering A.) They actually built more that they destroyed, (The amount of stuff they built in Carthage is facinating, they did still sack Rome though, very hard, almost too hard). B.) the Vandals were also Christian, a different type of Christian, but Christian none the less. - But hey, this is what happens, people tend to villainize their enemies, I mean no offense to modern Christianity. The past was brutal, and people seem to love turning their rivals into demons.

[@liamjm9278]

@@akakios7386 Ok barbarian.

[@stuckonaslide]

yes, that is what a vandal is

[@sadsackkvisling9694]

I remember when Gothic chicks spent most of their time tending cattle, piggies, wagons, horses, weaving, and babies.

[@riri_rmrz]

@@Kuningaz_Kvltist Pretty different. Most “goths” don’t have any biological relation to the ancient Spaniards. It’s just a style now sadky

[@lil_pan46]

@@riri_rmrz you're kidding..right...?

[@bruhguy2356]

@@riri_rmrz Spaniards? Are you on drugs?

[@Reichthoff]

Valkyries were gothic chicks too! They were the nordic warrior women.

[@chaudharyakshaypanwar91]

This goth race is known as jatt/jutt/jat in Indian subcontinent, getae in romania and in greek language and got/goths in germany and european countries.

[@marylight9700]

It's ironic that Christians namely (/possibly others?) see Gothic as Demonic when in reality, Gothic came _from_ when Christianity had a choke-hold on society/was most powerful

[@LuisAldamiz]

Actually it's Enlightnment, Renaissance and in general rationalism which sees gothic as "demonic" in the sense of being populated by irrational "demons", including Christian ideas.

[@abrupt.cr4sh]

Also, not all Christians see Goth as demonic. Only the more judgmental ones. As a Christian and a Goth, who also happens to be obsessed with the Gothic tribes, I can safely say that most actual Christians have no problems with it. Our only concerns are with lyrical content and what symbols you wear.

[@martiqueheisler5959]

Brandon Phillips Very true (I'm a Christian too, although gothic isn't quite my style lol. No hate intended tho)

[@jlupus8804]

Dang ignorance is strong in this one

[@haleyconnor1623]

Ikr I’m Christian but I think it’s ridiculous when people call everything satanic like Halloween or goths like without satan there would be no balance in life

[@xcarlosssx]

Real goths were born in the 1200s, posers

[@1EmaRock1]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@TheUnMaka]

@@1EmaRock1 What's so funny?

[@1EmaRock1]

@@TheUnMaka The joke, I am a simple person, I was amused at the joke.

[@TheUnMaka]

@@1EmaRock1 I understand your reason of joy, I asked what was the joke.

[@1EmaRock1]

@@TheUnMaka Ah! Okay. Lately when some young people dressed as gothic appear and say they are gothic, millennial goths complain about these young people who "pretend" to be gothic, and tell them "You are not a real gothic! The real gothic is about the 80's gothic MUSIC " The joke based on the history of goticism is that you could say that the millennial goths are not real goths because the real goths are those of the 1200s and they (the millennial goths) are posers.

[@kindofme07]

this video is so visually pleasing

[@WhispersOfWind]

aesthetics (tm)

[@17-MASY]

3:33 so...it was Walpole

[@galahad6189]

Corporate art style vibes

[@happy_moth]

classic cal arts

[@singulartrout]

you're forgetting the only true goth icoon of the 21st century: Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way

[@abigailmartin2650]

C Fish im shaken to my core why did you have to dredge up this curse

[@gabyrivera1731]

Good god

[@yoot3008]

don’t forget draco

[@Mike-lx9qn]

I don't get it

[@Nobody-im2jh]

@@Mike-lx9qn My Immortal fanfiction

[@mercury3222]

Well, what can I say? It was Walpole

[@oneanimatortorulethemall4714]

I see you are a man of culture.

[@enid0993]

someone teach me i dont get the reference

[@user-bm6nh5mm7b]

@@enid0993 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWLOn5eBjK9-eJo

[@ashipnerdoffical4260]

@@enid0993 South Sea Bubble, Extra History.

[@WitchKat]

hmm, it ignores a bit of the outside forces and influences of Gothic fashion - specifically, the fashion movement based of Victorian era mourning attire, popularized by queen Victoria's famously drastic additions to mourning etiquette after the death of her husband. it's one of the first connections of fashion to the term Gothic, due like the video says to the churches and somewhat to the writing, but specifically connecting the clothing to death and funerals. it's also why every goth ever has to constantly hear the sarcastic questions 'who died?' and 'where is the funeral?'. for all these reasons Gothic subculture is both consciously and subconsciously hardwired to the ideas of death, doom and gloom in the minds of collective society no matter how lively it is in actuality. but hey. at least we can be counted on to put the Fun in Funeral.

[@kikaiko99]

AlphaMonster best comment.

[@Queenofobscurepairings]

Ya! It irks me too. I love how original goths give us all this. But I into Victorian/Edwardian clothing..and I hate when people say "Am goth" and am "NO! you just in love dark era of Victorian/ed times when death was common and they were madly love with idea." You know.

[@kennethmckay6391]

Thats because fashion was a happy side effect not the point of the gothic music subculture. And it was a music subculture. That a lot of people dont realise, acknowledge, or accept this is their problem.

[@vampireotaku4172]

Don't forget edwardian as well. My favorite 🖤

[@RaRa-vf3zx]

But this isn’t about fashion, but about origin and terminology lol

[@pilipusezra5957]

Kudos for the beautiful animation!

[@Xeronimo74]

yeah, it's gorgeous!

[@WhispersOfWind]

yes, something to behold. In this sense I really love 'illustrations' of various sort, and (general) drawings/art... that tell _something,_ some more elaborately (so) than others.

[@helenhoang3793]

Philipus Ezra I

[@rickandjoanw6010]

It looks like something from samurai jack

[@Peachey1117]

Philipus Ezra I

[@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost]

Thanks for this. I always thought that saying "goth originated in the early 80s with death metal" was far too narrow to describe the culture. Especially with many Goths having a common interests in classic horror movies and literature, many of which predate the 1970s at the latest.

[@DEATHBYFLYINGCDS]

Metal has nothing to do with goth whatsoever

[@kokkakurogers1520]

THIS

[@Foxtrotter42]

anyone else notice how the modern goth looked exactly like Siouxsie Sioux from Siouxsie and the banshees?

[@punkrockjoanofarc]

I do! She rocks!

[@GanjaMasterBlaster]

I already recognized her! Big fan of Siouxsie and the Banshees

[@Foxtrotter42]

@@GanjaMasterBlaster Same, incredible voice

[@GanjaMasterBlaster]

@@Foxtrotter42 i know I really love her voice, especially the song Spellbound Also big fan of the cure as well And I'm a cybergoth fan of Eisenfunk

[@Foxtrotter42]

@@GanjaMasterBlaster Yesss Spellbound is one of my favourites, The Cure i'm not too big on however gotta love A Forest, I'm more into Birthday Party and Bauhaus

[@lucenildofilho5710]

Now I'm wanting them to do episodes about all music styles

[@kdoe1305]

Lucenildo Filho Yaaasss death metal and black metal! :)

[@badusername723]

Is Gorillaz a music style?

[@scarletstarlet773]

+Bad Username no, it's a band

[@GlowZoe]

Bad Username yes actually

[@darksidecola4529]

K Doe If they did one on metal in general I would die of happiness.

[@CrazyMixization]

"to artists finding beauty in darkness"

[@fandyus4125]

What about it?

[@DrPonner]

There is a beauty in darkness.

[@fandyus4125]

Hello darkness, my old friend.

[@Dantick09]

When I close my eyes all I see is beauty

[@AirisDamon]

There is so much beauty in this darkness that I cannot see.

[@cristianbocanegra497]

My goodness... These series are so amazing!! Explained in a way that keeps drawing you deeper and deeper into curiosity. I love it. Thank you!!

[@Jazzmany11]

Mom during the roman empire: "change clothes" Kid: "is not a phase, mom" present - still not a phase lol

[@megagorillagripsupersoaker1424]

ON GAWD 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊

[@plebthepebble3877]

"mother its not a pha-" "silence i do not want you wearing that- witch like clothing-" "how do even know what they dr-" "silence CHANGE THIS INSTANT were only buying food -_-"

[@Pwnedgamer94]

So you could describe goths as someone who is an outsider, with art that is simplistic, yet beautiful, and embrace darkness as opposed to hiding it away

[@mirashadowdance]

Pwnedgamer94 modern Goth is more about post punk music such as some of the listed bands. The band members popularized dark. Clothing and make up to match the gloomy tunes.

[@thomasbrady3827]

The old goths could be described as elite cavalry men

[@oonooooooooo]

i wouldn’t describe the art as “simplistic”

[@beaniemartini5835]

I’m gonna say you’re a goth lol

[@FuzzyDereck]

@@oonooooooooo I agree. That’s the only thing I take issue with about this video. I think the narrator should’ve re-used the word “ornate.” That’s a much more fitting adjective.

[@shaqman5335]

wait so gothic is just dark romance

[@kitaniwolfus7011]

GeoLancer also got music is not limited to one genre

[@nyxshadowhawk]

I think this video just established that the things these terms refer to are connected by a series of tangents. Does the distinction between adjectives really matter that much, if they once meant one thing and then come to mean another? (this is coming from a person who may or may not be considered Goth)

[@cassiecooper7112]

My understanding of what goth is is that you find beauty in the darker things in life, like see death as not the end of your life but the next adventure you haven't gone on yet!

[@Tangers3345]

Romanticism in the sense of the literary movement, not makin' love.

[@themiller3940]

Not for me :')

[@sdawg310]

Cybergoth, Gothibility, Gothic Metal, and Steampunk have very little relation with the Goth Subculture, all of those are kind of their own thing.

[@sdawg310]

@Malum they use the term 'goth' as a synonym for dark or spooky and not as a way of saying it has anything to do with the goth subculture. This video does a pretty good job explaining how many of the things which fall under the label of goth barely have anything to do with one another.

[@alpertroncp2198]

Malum You're not wrong...

[@edwardsdistress5599]

@Malum slapping the term "goth" on random fashion styles/subcultures that didn't derive from or have anything in common with goth doesn't make them goth. I'd go as far to say that its rather insulting to the background/histories of the subcultures in question. Cyber is industrial/rave, Gothic metal is death-doom and Gothabilly is influenced at best. Steampunk is indeed a stretch because it's Victorian science fiction. That being said, if they were going to name sub-genres, they should have started with darkwave, ethereal wave, or at least its counterparts, like deathrock and coldwave.

[@j0an-07-arc6]

You ain’t goth If you don’t listen to post punk

[@schonlingg.wunderbar2985]

The good old times, when goth was about sacking cities and not about keeping gates... Traditionalism is bad and you should feel bad. This is even more true for punk-related traditionalism.

[@joshuaperales3408]

im genuinely blown away by how in depth and well made this video is! i wasnt expecting this when i clicked on it! well done!

[@gretchenhangleton9603]

"Artists finding beauty in darkness" ! What a great phrase to sum up Goth. Great video, nicely done.

[@zombieinferno]

back in the late 70s we also referred to early Goths as Batcavers - which came from the London club Batcave that heavily influenced the subculture. We had schoolyard chants regarding Wavers & Batcavers which was ironic since my high school years were ankle length trenches, misfit haircuts, and 40-hole Docs. Still in love with my fair skinned, raven tressed beauty.

[@TomCook-jw6ur]

Gary A. Like I care?

[@michaelinglis8516]

@@TomCook-jw6ur OH damn! You got him good....took you 2 years but none the less epic burn! "Like i care" i bet thats gonna catch on. Its so fresh, not childish or dated at all!

[@demonhunter9074]

Tom Cook the world doesn’t Involve around you or your care level that’s why no one shares their thoughts and opinions with you

[@kevintcp370]

So Batman is a goth?

[@ironforged2329]

@@kevintcp370 yeah, he also lives in Gotham City

[@freakzone1284]

Amazing video, i love how Siouxsie portrays the gothic style at the start of the video

[@RIXRADvidz]

She is considered to be a Goth Goddess by some people. Nina Hagen and Lena Lovich also defined the Goth Goddess look. good music too.

[@jesseadams828]

This part of history is simply not covered enough. Thank you for the great video!

[@KuroiHato69]

I am an Elder Goth and I absolutely loved this! Beautifully done and wonderful explanations. I too hope that you do one about the different Goth music subgenres and please use the same artist!

[@SuperGman117]

What exactly is an Elder Goth?

[@Saibishii]

Sigiswulf An older goth, and generally, one who has been in the scene since it's origins (80's) I call them the O.G.'s (originial goths) They are much respected by the up-and-comers as well as the newbs (known as baby bats)

[@meginna8354]

@@Saibishii this sounds like some weird larping

[@CyberneticHamster108]

All hail the Elder Goth's, Gothulhu fhtagn

[@averageminecraftenjoyer9419]

The 80’s and 90’s goths were honestly more fun than those emos that fake depression

[@AYAmusic.]

The animation in this is flawless

[@rickandjoanw6010]

Alex Stoffa looks like samurai jack

[@Scarshadow666]

I can see some future subgenres of Gothic expression continuing to connect to the past (such as ancient Norse and ancient Germanic culture), and even branching out incorporate other cultures as well, since the nature of a subculture is to evolve over time as new generations express their own version of being Gothic.

[@budrothefox3666]

The animation reminds me of Genndy Tartakovsky! Well done! "Finding beauty in darkness." Definitely describes the entire idea well.

[@Elias6233]

Really great video, barbaric culture really amazes me. History classes rarely go deep into their civilization and mostly show them from the Romans' point of view.

[@manospondylus4896]

Elias6233 mostly because almost all of our sources about them come from the Romans and Greeks, since the "barbarians" themselves didn't write about their history.

[@kehr2019]

The romans had an empire the goths were just tribes but history doesn't tell is that the romans made it all the way to the river Elbe river so at some point they conquered most of Germany

[@suleymanthemad1140]

16patie Actually many pagan traditions and rituals were saved and transformed into Christian holidays. At least where I come from.

[@thehh5118]

Elias6233 yes! Thank you, I also agree. There's so much more we can learn about different civilisations, I'd take that course! Haha 😄

[@charliecastillo2011]

Elias6233 Muslim scholars in Spain (during the Dark Ages) also paved the way for the Renaissance when they preserved and translated Ancient Greek and Roman knowledge. Muslim scholars even gave the West its numerical system of 0 to 10.

[@GothicElf68]

As someone who loves Goth music, fashion, and art, but who also enjoys history and other intellectual pursuits, I loved this. Great educational video concerning the history of the origins of the word, and to a lesser extent, the music itself.

[@TheItalianTroop16]

Bro goths are cringe

[@purplepedantry]

​@@TheItalianTroop16 Cringe Culture is dead, you heretic.

[@avinavar4818]

This was a very beautiful animation, thank you for showcasing the art history and connection of the many art movements named "Gothic" though time! I'm currently at the end of my Upper Div. Gothic Architecture class and I'm sure this video would've prevented a lot of confusion from students who'd joined the class thinking that the portrayal of Gothic churches in literature was what the architects had in mind! I would like to also say that historians also refer to the Dark Ages as "Dark" because of the lack of written historical information and records from the time, making it hard to get solid images of how life was like, thus it being "dark"! Nothing to do with the cathedrals; their whole goal was to install as many stained glass windows as possible to make everything light and "heavenly"!

[@CYON4D]

Congrats to who ever did the visuals and animations. They simply look amazing.

[@shadow27b]

Small beef with the timeline: Siouxsie & the Banshees pre-date Bauhaus, and formed concurrently with The Cure, and Joy Division. Nick Kent (in NME IIRC), used Goth to first describe Siouxsie (in comparison to The Doors). While she rightly hates being pigeonholed she was the front-runner of the genre, not a later edition or also ran.

[@Skiamakhos]

She's been many things - punk, goth pioneer, and later post-punk experimentalist. I think she knows her main bread & butter fanbase is goth, but she's always tried to do new things, be inventive & original.

[@j0an-07-arc6]

Joy division founded the grown works for post punk

[@ramawa]

Both Joy Division and the Cure have said that Siouxsie and the Banshees were a huge influence,, You can find the quotes on Wikipedia.

[@goldenduck3931]

Next: A brief history of hipsters

[@LughSummerson]

I could dig that, daddy-o.

[@lalaithan]

Brief meaning society one day realizes how annoying they are, stuffs them in a box, and leaves them there to out hip each other to death.

[@eg6370]

V. Erin hahahahahahahahaha

[@twofish4433]

Wait no pls

[@fivemeomedia]

interesting fact: hipster comes from the word hip which meant to be high on opioids usually associated with jazz musicians and their fans who would smoke the stuff all the time so they called them hipsters

[@nanodiaz2073]

Beatifull BEATIFULL video man, this one and the Spartacus video are my favourites in the entire KZbin, exelent work.

[@brianmay3852]

a very important history lesson that many seems to forget to share. thanks!

[@faolair3320]

Although I am not part of it I adore the goth scene. Their style and the music is really cool and I always kind of liked it.

[@Cavs191]

Faolair Leloup is this video just a rip off of pitchforks last video? That was a vid about the history of goths too. But this goth has very little to do with modernitys goth fashion

[@agatlingpea2232]

Faolair Leloup good for you

[@JRG333]

Faolair Leloup then why are you afraid to partake in being a goth?

[@PhonciblePBonehimself]

Faolair Leloup come to the dark side ! We have cookies 👻

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

And OUR girl scout cookies ARE made of real girl scouts! :o)

[@amynurss1375]

Sisters of Mercy still rule.

[@penzotoko6619]

Fact

[@MinishMoosen]

A hard reign held up by rage

[@punkrockjoanofarc]

And so does Bauhaus 🤘🏻

[@ianbat7092]

absolutely

[@KaritKtana]

What a great video!! And the art ❤❤❤! I want each design and painting to stay on screen long enough to examine it thoroughly!

[@michaelpelegrino7936]

I always love how the animations here made us understand better.

[@chriswaldrip6273]

Great video. My only comment is that while The Cure is more well known, they should swap places with Siouxsie and the Banshees in the animation. The Cure came well after Siouxsie, with Robert Smith of The Cure even playing for The Banshees!

[@CowieThomas1997]

Siouxsie is a Germanic name too.

[@katrinac5522]

C T actually, the name was taken from the Indigenous American Sioux tribe

[@katrinac5522]

AJtheory yeah, and that show’s title came from the Sioux tribe

[@dungcheeseMORK999]

Finally, someone who explained the history and the connection between the two groups (the Goths and Gothic subculture)!

[@Elligons]

I think this better explains Goths than any Goth Vlogger youtube has to offer. Thanks.

[@mj2068]

finding beauty in darkness. this sentence is so inspiring.

[@zemelosv4941]

Siouxsie and the Banshees didn't get enough credit. They were such an influential band and they were also formed in 1976, just like The Cure and Joy division... so not mentioning them and just listing them as "one of the similar bands that was described as gothic rock" in 4:22 is so damn disrespectful in my opinion. Needless to say Siouxsie Sioux was also the main gothic trendsetter as well....

[@kdoe1305]

hibiscus head They can't get all OCD on the 1 stage of the entire story. It's just educational anyways.

[@zemelosv4941]

Lawrence Bottorff Well I guess bands avoid the goth label because they find it limiting.. which it is in my opinion. And also Bauhaus out of the three bands that were mentioned happen to be the least diverse and versatile so it kinda makes sense why they didn't seem to mind being branded as goth. On the other hand, Robert Smith of the cure looked and dressed "goth" but that was it, there was nothing goth about their music imo and so is the case with many of their contemporaries, including Siouxsie and the Banshees but they did influence the gothic subculture however.

[@madamehearse9379]

Chill lol

[@idil3993]

narrator couldn’t pronounce it properly that’s the only explanation..

[@cajejskscaksls2996]

hibiscus head omg I love that band so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@mizukisora7735]

I feel like this video was a great summary of what I've cumulatively learned this school year from German class, English class, and my gothic friend's lifestyle. IT ALL COMES TOGETHER NOW.

[@pryingeyes1551]

Speaking of The Doors' influence, they were actually the first band to be called "gothic rock" in a review in 1967. Some of their songs, like Strange Days, The Crystal Ship, and The End would not sound out of place from a gothic band in the '80s.

[@cybercat29]

This is very informative. Thank you for creating this video.

[@theonlyjamiebourgeois9703]

Bauhaus personifies early gothic music to me. Happy to see them mentioned.

[@ianbat7092]

me too

[@SLOT-mrpark]

I hate it when people call darkness bad. It's not bad at all. It's rich and beautiful and comforting. The only reason people associate it with evil and light with good is because they fear what will come at them in the dark and can see what will happen in the light. Really, the dark just has a bad rap.

[@siddarth3955]

Nah, people just hate dark because it's inconvenient to do pretty much many stuff as you know we don't have night vision, also it's genetics since stone age when many predators came out only in darkness thus the fear ...

[@gabrielevans4250]

Lisa Tarsavage cringe😫😫😫

[@uekiguy5886]

Lisa--Yes, darkness is comforting, relaxing, and romantic. That's why fancy restaurants are candle-lit.

[@imnotwhatiseem1727]

@@gabrielevans4250 actually she has a very good point. People fear what they don't know/sense, and darkness obscures a sense. The topic of dark=beauty isn't new at all so her comment isn't so original, but it isn't trying to be original or impressive. At least from what I can tell. It seems more rant-like to me. What causes cringe is when you're attempting to be impressive by imitating or reflecting something popular, whether it be cultures and subcultures or aesthetics and styles. Missing the mark on what you're imitating? That's cringe. Trying too hard to be cool? That's cringe. Ranting that darkness is beautiful? Well, not really. If she overly glorified darkness to show off that she too was dark, it would be a different story.

[@gabrielevans4250]

@@imnotwhatiseem1727 so...can you explain why am i still cringing whenever i read those coments?

[@TheSiberion]

this was very succinctly well illustrated. Nicely done!

[@chescie_]

I love how this dissected the word Goth, cuz it’s so broad.

[@jessie801000]

Remember when MTV was good?

[@ramsierjouster2443]

Jtzkb I think he means "M"

[@miempire9198]

xErikTheRedx no i was still unborn

[@GabiN64]

No.

[@bobhope9783]

xErikTheRedx you're going back to the 80s with that question..unless it's rhetorical lol

[@youngceo5638]

Not really

[@Grizzlox]

I love it when I click a KZbin video and actually learn something.

[@sonnybrown4758]

You guys are so damn good at this. I love these videos.

[@4thdensity354]

Thank you. Very illuminating!!!

[@theoneonyoutube4925]

Goths don't sweat... They sizzle.

[@wouldntyouliketoknow8904]

why

[@sophieliebman1105]

They simmer

[@jalapeno1119]

YO DANNY FENTON HE WAS JUST 14

[@robinhyperlord9053]

No.

[@sylph8005]

What's even the joke here?

[@thedarkestowl4224]

As a fan of history, gothic rock and steampunk, I found this pretty interesting. Thanks!

[@megalopolis2015]

This was so cool. Thanks for posting.

[@melindasimon3027]

Thank you for this informative overview

[@pukinbabymiller4290]

My dad was a trad-goth back in the early 1980's and I was raised into the culture. Proud to call myself goth in opposition to today's titles such as scene or emo. Gothic culture has something very wholesome and warming about it.

[@HighDeafRadio]

Did he really name you Pukinbaby?

[@pukinbabymiller4290]

lmao nah. that's just some random alias. how'd you come by your name, high deaf? lmao

[@El-Silver]

@@pukinbabymiller4290 so .... Lets go conquere hispania

[@jackieeem1590]

I would like to know more, since I am also a Goth. But not raised in any such environment.

[@Floral_Green]

jackieee m Step 1: Be born in Northern Europe in the early Medieval Period Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit

[@KanaiIle]

Ah. So it was Walpole. 3:33

[@juliahenriques210]

Sure it was. As always.

[@homerisLT]

Extra Credits :)

[@pez4]

It's always Walpole

[@soldierside365]

Angelica Ichticola bloody Walpole..

[@bobbyferg9173]

When the profile picture matches the comment. Well kinda

[@tsmeman63]

Thank you for this video! Well explained! 👍🏻

[@Khobotov]

Amazing artwork in your video.

[@MetroDerg]

probably the first video on KZbin I've watched within the past year that will genuinely help me in life

[@TheBasjenator]

What the fuck kind of life do you have that this is useful.

[@HighDeafRadio]

That's exactly what I was thinking TheBasjenator. Also what are you watching on KZbin then? If it's purely videos that don't teach you anything at all I can only imagine you that you watch exclusively meme or music videos but the if the history of the goth culture is so useful in your daily life then why are you watching memes and pop videos? So many questions O.o

[@LughSummerson]

Obviously a steampunk barbarian time traveller ghost.

[@mymyrrah]

Ice Zex Memes helped me.

[@MetroDerg]

Blockman Zan ty

[@AH-qy6nh]

This was very well done, thank you! The team behind this should be very proud.

[@griefschicken8875]

Thanks to UK. You made a genre of music that I value the most..

[@harbingersev-oh-wohne]

That was amazing, I'm so glad I watched that

[@XatolosWired]

I'm surprised this video never mentioned Siouxsie Sioux, singer from Siouxsie and the Banshee's. They are one of the first major goth bands (started in 1976). It's also who I'm guessing the opening goth woman is in this video (which makes it even more strange, not even in the "family tree" shown near the end.) This is Siouxsie Sioux (in the 80's) img02.deviantart.net/256c/i/2012/105/a/9/siouxsie_sioux__the_painted_bird_1_by_darkasterial_vision-d4wb58j.jpg

[@kdoe1305]

Xatolos Wired Definitely like the band.

[@gusstavv]

Yeah I was wondering the same, why didn't they mention Siouxsie?

[@friday13thirteen]

They were talking more about the etymology/evolution of the word "goth," not necessarily about the actual goth subculture and music scene. I agree she could have gotten a mention, but this video isn't really focused on individuals, more the overall idea of what "gothic" is.

[@gregasmic]

I agree with fridaythe13thirteen , but if you look at 4:23 , Siouxsie and the Banshees is right there at the "family tree"

[@XatolosWired]

Greg Runtunuwu I didn't see the name there. Thank you for pointing it out. Without seeing that there, it seemed like they used a likeness but then never made any mention of the likeness, seems it was I just missed the reference.

[@obrkenobi1170]

I gotta say, The animation is absolutely beautiful.

[@rajnirani7772]

There can't be a better brief history of Goths than this.

[@myliege8197]

I' ve seen a lot of Ted-Ed videos, but this one is the most interesting to me.

[@aayushbhandari4387]

I'm strangely attracted to the goth

[@fandyus4125]

The male or female one XD? Lol.

[@ComixLuvr184]

Kitties McTitties That was probably Siouxsie Sioux. Look her up.

[@agatlingpea2232]

Kitties McTitties _..

[@deacon6453]

bearskin, helmets, leather, scent of bear fat, and black hair, yeah no

[@danieldutoit5847]

Kitties McTitties aren't we all

[@mechanova]

there needs to be an art book of all these great images. idbuy one for sure

[@tetsuoshima2314]

Man, that club scene brings back memories, especially the guy punching the air, so true.

[@zararshaikh3911]

Yo Ted Ed thanks for making the education free and man where do you find this beautiful scrpts it really explain things in spectacular beauty

[@lancelovecraft5913]

No mention of Siouxsie Sioux? it was her maiden voyage that started the goth scene in the 70s! Why do people fail to understand this

[@jebes909090]

because no one actually cares about goths.

[@TheDisney1901]

Actually, look at 4:22. -S.

[@simergoth]

Beautiful. Thank you very much.

[@thehighshow]

Absolutely beautiful storytelling

[@zodmorality]

Beautiful description of a story 🙂

[@ben9820]

"other germanic tribes" Britons were celtic fam

[@TheFunkoDunko]

The Anglo-Saxons were Germanic

[@kennethmckay6391]

@@TheFunkoDunko beat me to it. Could it be that the Saxon came from Old Saxony? Imagine that. No, Ben thinks they're Celts /facepalm

[@samiamrg7]

There were Celtic people living on the British isles long before the Saxons showed up. The Anglo-Saxons were most influential in southern Great Britain, which is why it is called “England” for “Anglo-Saxons.” Celtic culture remained influential in Scottish and Irish culture, which is why the Irish still commonly speak a Celtic language (Irish Gaelic).

[@samiamrg7]

It is one of the many reasons English is so weird. There were Celtic-speaking and Latin speaking people on the Isles when the Saxons arrived, which then influenced the Saxon language as it became prominent. Then centuries later, there were the Normans, who spoke a kind of combination of Norse (which is germanic) and French (which is Latin), which then combined with the already modified Anglo-Saxon language.

[@Sueci]

@@kennethmckay6391 did Ben say Anglo saxons?

[@afrikasmith1049]

Why did Death get sick of hanging out with his Goth friends? Because he knew that there was more to life than Death.

[@PeterKnagge]

Afrika Smith I'm trying to tell if you are joking or if you are just another spoilt douchebag!?

[@afrikasmith1049]

It was a joke.

[@Stanly450]

Thanks for this TED!

[@Thirteenth-cs2cm]

I'm not a goth myself but I do find it very cool learning about the history and origins of sub-cultures like these :)

[@KerryLuckett]

Very well done! My genre focus in my grad studies was horror and the literary gothic, so my heart is full. ☺️

[@kathrinel.6456]

Beautiful animation!

[@idiotwhomakesmusic1734]

Thank you TED ! Very cool!

[@AshGreen359]

This is pretty much what I thought, great video connecting the dots.