A Brief Retrospective | TV-Show Season 9E VS Comic Book Differences Explained | The Walking Dead

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Korotos Mystery Shack

Korotos Mystery Shack

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Today at the Mystery Shack, we wrap up season 9 of The Walking Dead with the infamous Alpha's border scene and talk about all the changes made in bringing this iconic moment from the comic book into live action.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:35 - Carl's/Henry's Search
02:36 - Ezekiel
04:04 - From the Edge of the World
05:44 - Cpt. Michonne!
07:44 - Maggie's Investigation
09:14 - Rick arrives home & Dwight
10:10 - Rosita's Baby, Olivia & "We're civilized people"
13:07 - In enemy land
15:40 - Daryl, Connie & Beta
18:06 - Daryl's and Carol's dynamic with Lydia
18:52 - The Highway Men
19:39 - The Weird Michonne-Cult Thingy
20:41 - The Fair
22:39 - Mini AMC & Season Structure Tangent
23:56 - The Fair Continued
24:45 - The Elite Squad
25:14 - "This world is my father and I've got its looks"
25:40 - The Walker Bomb
26:57 - Issue 144 - ...
27:25 - The Border...
31:32 - ART OF DEATH
31:51 - A Breaking Point
32:58 - The Storm and... SNOW POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG
34:19 - Closing Thoughts
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@NicoParasite
@NicoParasite Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna miss this series Koroto, one of if not THE best retrospective series in youtube imo.
@neehko6305
@neehko6305 Жыл бұрын
Same here 😢
@TheFerg714
@TheFerg714 Жыл бұрын
Bro, he's still got like 12+ videos left to make in this series. Don't get sad yet.
@ImMarcusLive
@ImMarcusLive Жыл бұрын
@@TheFerg714 ong why they actin like hes ending it already?
@fybso3057
@fybso3057 Жыл бұрын
If you love these kinde of retrospectives, check out Dragonball Dissection by Mistare Fusion
@andrewsherry6460
@andrewsherry6460 Жыл бұрын
Henry's death always annoyed me. Carl suffering through the guilt of essentially being the reason 12 people died was always compelling to me, and I was hoping that this event could turn Henry into a more hardened, realistic character, not overtaken by naivety. But no, let's kill another one of Carol's kids I guess?
@dwightyboy5324
@dwightyboy5324 Жыл бұрын
Exactly how I feel. That decision has always annoyed me because it just feels like they just did it for shock and to just recycle storylines for Carol. I honestly would've rather they killed Ezekiel and Rosita like they did in the comics because it would've been more heartbreaking for the fans; because I remember at the time a good portion of the fans couldn't stand Henry and weren't that upset to see him killed off but rather only felt sad for Carol.
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 Жыл бұрын
@@dwightyboy5324 I don't think killing Ezekiel and Rosita would've been a good idea for the show, having just lost Rick, Maggie, Carl and Jesus, the show needed to keep around some core characters that have big screen presence. A lot of viewers would probably have been turned off which is an unfortunate factor of writing for television rather than a comic. Making Henry a significant character for this season and to then kill him off at the end gives that same feeling of killing off a really big character despite their significance to the story only being relatively new and their death affecting some of the actual big characters (Carol, Ezekiel, Lydia). Yeah it's repetitive but it did work and they didn't have many options.
@dwightyboy5324
@dwightyboy5324 Жыл бұрын
@@lucasdolding6924 I get what you're saying but I still think they could've done it. Part of the reason I say that was because the cast became really bloated and a lot of characters didn't really get enough screentime in my opinion.
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 Жыл бұрын
@@dwightyboy5324 I still think Ezekiel and Rosita wouldn’t have been good choices, but I don’t disagree that the cast became bloated by the end. It’s not a problem for me as I’m pretty good at retaining a lot of information and detail like random characters for some reason, but it did get to the point where I’m having to remind my parents who some of the characters are when we watched it. Though I don’t feel like there are really too many characters that are superfluous, most of them served somewhat of a purpose however small like Nabila’s relationship to Jerry, and I wouldn’t have killed off someone like her just because there’s too many people to keep track of since there’s no real reason to, so it just gets a bit inaccessible unfortunately.
@dwightyboy5324
@dwightyboy5324 Жыл бұрын
@@lucasdolding6924 no I get your saying and I'm the same way, I'm really good at keeping track of the characters, but I think more screentime should've been dedicated to more characters. Take characters like Alden, Magna, Luke, Kelly, and Lydia for example. Most of those characters barely did anything much during season 10. In season 11 Lydia barely did anything noteworthy. And part of the reason I say Ezekiel and Rosita should've died like their comic characters is because I think they would've been more heartbreaking and it would've made the pike scene more depressing and impactful. I think for a lot of people outside of Henry their deaths didnt really hit that hard and most people didn't seem to really miss them. I'm not saying that killing Rosita and Ezekiel wouldn't have had consequences but I think that if they wrote it right and later showcased other characters it possibly could've worked
@kylewoosley8440
@kylewoosley8440 Жыл бұрын
I found the TV version of the border scene GUT-WRENCHING. I didn’t care for Henry much as a character, but Carol and Daryl in that scene do some of their best work in the series.
@andrewsherry6460
@andrewsherry6460 Жыл бұрын
I missed Rick throughout this arc, but I really appreciated the existence of Daryl. Although not the same as Rick, the gravitas of having Daryl interact with Alpha still slaps.
@RedMist59
@RedMist59 Жыл бұрын
I remember the days leading up to issue 144's release. The teasers they put out with three panels from the next issue was reduced to one panel and a message talking about how there would be key moments and to not spoil it. Add in the cover of Rick looking distressed, the title being "..." and this issue being the last one in compendium 3, the anticipation was really something.
@Jokerman518
@Jokerman518 Жыл бұрын
Connie's fight in episode 13 is insane considering she is deaf and they dont really emphasize the terror of silence till she gets locked in the house later on with Virgil.
@artamir6605
@artamir6605 Жыл бұрын
Even though i already knew who would end up on the pikes before watching the episode i really liked how they let Alpha interact with Ezekiel. Must have given the comic fans a real scare.
@wargearinternational7679
@wargearinternational7679 Жыл бұрын
My first reaction on seeing the border scene was thinking back to the originaly planned ending in the coming. I.e Ricks group arriving at Alexandria and then skipping to a statue of him surrounded by walkers. Its didnt really seems like an alternate ending anymore, but rather that the show was taking the long way there, as in litteraly showing the death of every character. At the point of the border scene only Carol, Darryl and Michone are left alive from seasons 1 - 3, yes Rick and Meggie comeback eventually, but they went missing for a long time. Using Tara (Season 4) and Ennid (Season 5) as redshirts to barely increase the killcount of a scene to estrange the earlier seasons of the walking dead with new ones was certainly an intressting whritting choice to witness.
@azisokal5497
@azisokal5497 Жыл бұрын
I actually liked the highwaymen at least for filler. They gave some more screen time to Ezekiel which is really great but I think the most important thing was showing just how important something as simple as a movie could be. It really helped hammer home what Ezekiel was saying about the kids needing to see a movie for the first time and maybe the adults needed the reminder too
@yjoltetepique8555
@yjoltetepique8555 Жыл бұрын
we need to lobby kirkman to extend the walking dead comic to force Koroto to make more of these
@Koroto
@Koroto Жыл бұрын
I don't even want an extension (Commonwealth is kinda boring), I want him to cook up something completely new from day 1. 😭 I want to feel that sheer horror of Rick getting his hand yoinked off, the bloodbath of the prison etc. 😭
@darkknight5541
@darkknight5541 Жыл бұрын
But the show is over, so one-half of the retrospective would be missing.
@yjoltetepique8555
@yjoltetepique8555 Жыл бұрын
@@darkknight5541 they wouldn’t miss that cash grab they’ll come back on there own. if not we the fans recreate all the scenes😈😈😈
@darkknight5541
@darkknight5541 Жыл бұрын
@@yjoltetepique8555 Or make another spin-off.
@cjleehaze
@cjleehaze Жыл бұрын
I was so disappointed during the spike scene since we didn’t get see any of them get decapitated , I was it was going to be as brutal as Glens and Abe’s death scene but it wasn’t even close.
@tenthshadowstep
@tenthshadowstep Жыл бұрын
I wanted war when I first read the border wall
@ZacksRockingLifestyle
@ZacksRockingLifestyle Жыл бұрын
Life is a bit different now that TWD is over
@jareddoherty4842
@jareddoherty4842 Жыл бұрын
Fr
@crusader2112
@crusader2112 Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@Koroto
@Koroto Жыл бұрын
Aye 😭 The last couple of seasons might've been hit and miss, but it was such a constant in my life 😭
@ZacksRockingLifestyle
@ZacksRockingLifestyle Жыл бұрын
@@Koroto it was among the few shows that got me to keep a TV at home, that was for sure!
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 Жыл бұрын
@@Koroto Especially feels weird since the comic, game and series all ended pretty close together, like the whole franchise just suddenly ended
@MichaelSmith-es5ku
@MichaelSmith-es5ku Жыл бұрын
Border scene could’ve better imo. I hate how Angela rewrote the deaths because she didn’t want fans to know what to expect, then killed off Carl’s replacement and the hilltop’s last leader. Hilltop wasn’t nearly as important as it was in the comics
@sarahrogers1271
@sarahrogers1271 Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe this series is over. Great video series I’m still trying to wrap up attack on Titian so I can watch your retrospective
@thasixsage
@thasixsage Жыл бұрын
Krotos will you be doing any retrospective for fear? I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t but it would be cool.
@bishbosh4815
@bishbosh4815 Жыл бұрын
Very true about Carl vs Henry. I've never actually read the comics, but you spelled it out. Carl is a badass gigachad and Henry is a naive teenager thinking with his hormones. Yeah he was trying to save Lydia from an abusive mother, but he just goes in there stupidly thinking he can just spring Lydia outta there with no consequences, whereas Carl doesn't give a fuck and will take them on if he has to and he's capable of it. Henry, even show Carl for that matter, is never really shown to be as much of a capable survivor as Carl, or as jaded, complex and badass, he's just a dumb kid thinking with his penis, thinking he can be the hero and solve what is wrong in the world, and that either makes him endearing or a hormonal adolescent moron depending on how you feel about teenagers. And you're right, Judith is written like an adult in a child's body, similar to like Lilly in Modern Family 😂, which is cute and badass but unrealistic, where as Henry, like all teenagers in TWD, is written to be a total dumbass. And the worst thing is he doesn't even get to live to see the consequence of his actions. While it is more tragic that Henry's noble and virtuous goal results in his own death by the hands of the mother of the girl he loves, and several other characters whose lives are cut short just as they were finding themselves and building a life, it isn't quite as impactful as Carl having to live with himself after being responsible for the pike deaths and having that blood on his hands. It's more devastating for Carol losing ANOTHER child, but it just ends up making her reckless, careless and vengeful in season 10, rendering her brain dead and acting purely out of emotion, which makes her unbearable to watch and almost getting other characters killed in the process. Ugh... I do love season 9 and the Whisperer arc is one of the better ones. But compared to the comics, it really slips up in a lot of areas. But I also think Carl was already pretty unpopular, it he had lived and fulfilled his comic arc, and Rosita and Ezekiel had died as a result of his actions, people would've hated him even more. So it's had to say what would've been better
@partycity9416
@partycity9416 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t really categorize Carl’s idea to go after the whispers as the most smart bad ass move it certainly wasn’t , but it made more sense for Carl the Henry
@bishbosh4815
@bishbosh4815 Жыл бұрын
@@partycity9416 Carl just has more street cred
@noahmagana137
@noahmagana137 Жыл бұрын
I’ll admit that Henry was a poor replacement for Carl
@3Guys1Video
@3Guys1Video Жыл бұрын
Same There’s just no way you can relate to him just after Carl’s death
@noahmagana137
@noahmagana137 Жыл бұрын
@@3Guys1Video him being stupid didn’t help
@3Guys1Video
@3Guys1Video Жыл бұрын
@@noahmagana137 exactly
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 Жыл бұрын
I didn't mind too much since I fancied Matt Lintz more than Chandler, though that's mainly cos they never let Chandler cut his hair, he looks awful with the longer hair imo.
@noahmagana137
@noahmagana137 Жыл бұрын
@@lucasdolding6924 they had to hide his age somehow
@kaosdays2146
@kaosdays2146 Жыл бұрын
YESSSSS ITS HEREEEE
@kafurnakis1389
@kafurnakis1389 Жыл бұрын
Rosita’s and Judith’s deaths made me realize how much Robert hates babies
@vanitasviole
@vanitasviole Жыл бұрын
*as a brazilian* I want a the walking dead spinoff taking place in Brazil thank you
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Жыл бұрын
I am propably the only person to feel this way, but I really liked the Highwaymen as this fun little sidegroup. To me Ozzy (their leader) was one of the saddest deaths from the border scene
@jakeharmon542
@jakeharmon542 Жыл бұрын
I think the moment of making us think Rosita died in the pikes was cheap; however, I did not care for Tara, so it was okay in the end. Kind of shocked you didn't mention Siddiq's speech at the end of 9x15
@scribblenaughttv
@scribblenaughttv Жыл бұрын
Siddiq was top 3 for me💜
@Koroto
@Koroto Жыл бұрын
I ended up cutting the Siddiq speech for time as it's kind of exactly what you expect and because I talk a bunch about him in the season 10 videos. His S10 story was top tier imo 👍
@themagnificentorange672
@themagnificentorange672 Жыл бұрын
@alexspruse1420 I loved it
@lilacrabbit4746
@lilacrabbit4746 Жыл бұрын
I just finished binge watching this entire series!!! Your videos are so amazing, I love your commentary and they're cut so well! Can't wait for the rest of them to come out :D
@AwesomeTheAsim
@AwesomeTheAsim 5 ай бұрын
I can't believe I am nearing the end of this series. Your videos have kept me entertained for so long. Thank you for creating it.
@Sansyr
@Sansyr Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite series on youtube! thank you, Korotos! always a good day when you upload
@friendedtreefilms
@friendedtreefilms Жыл бұрын
Everytime one of these come out I have a good days
@CRIDIC
@CRIDIC Жыл бұрын
Bro this was perfect timing I was just checking KZbin this morning to see if you had uploaded. Love this series and what you've done.
@jareddoherty4842
@jareddoherty4842 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting so long for this to get uploaded lmaoo
@akshaytrayner1960
@akshaytrayner1960 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@Asdosie
@Asdosie Жыл бұрын
Love these videos. Started to re-watch the walking dead several months ago on my second monitor while working, Found your videos and binge watched them as I viewed the episodes! been going strong for several months now, Keep up the amazing work! You just posted this one and it's just where I am now! Loving these videos! ❤
@josephmatthews7698
@josephmatthews7698 11 ай бұрын
Best winter in a zombie show was ironically in a show called Black Summer.
@theli11
@theli11 Жыл бұрын
You didn’t mention Siddiq’s speech which is my favorite part of the episode and is really important for the first half of season 10. I will say that I did love Henry’s character and I do appreciate him dying in season 9.
@trippy_tearzzz
@trippy_tearzzz Жыл бұрын
I been here from the beginning and im waiting till the end
@BrianOmegaWolf
@BrianOmegaWolf Жыл бұрын
Jesus season 11 seems like a shitshow and they said 7 was horrible like Heath disappearing but season 11 a whole community needed outside the tv explanation
@mirzaali529
@mirzaali529 Жыл бұрын
I don’t want this series to end 😭🥹 Will you retrospective dead city ?
@dannynattis4460
@dannynattis4460 Жыл бұрын
Let’s goooooo! Thank you korotos for another banger
@christianmanka3884
@christianmanka3884 Жыл бұрын
I kinda liked the Highwayman... :( I was pretty sad that they were all killed
@SleepyTaylor
@SleepyTaylor Жыл бұрын
I got a title for the snow spinoff, fear the freezing cold
@luisibarra3220
@luisibarra3220 Жыл бұрын
lesss fucking go new retrospective video just in time for breakfast
@WelcomeToLoco
@WelcomeToLoco Ай бұрын
Walking Dead in Alaska. It’s too cold for the walkers to roam except for 3 months out of the year where all hell breaks loose because the survivors aren’t prepared or experienced with Walkers.
@latviandragon2718
@latviandragon2718 Жыл бұрын
11:34 hey thats my comment
@Cable787
@Cable787 Жыл бұрын
you should do retrospectives on the preacher show and comic next
@maxipad3850
@maxipad3850 Жыл бұрын
im going to be so depressed when you finish this retrospective series
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Жыл бұрын
What I dislike about the building fight is, how incredibly stupid it is that Beta survived it. Daryl literally shot from the building and knew how Beta looks, there was absolutely no reason for him not to just give him a arrow to the forehead and end half this conflict before it even begins
@Koroto
@Koroto Жыл бұрын
Yes lmao, but realism is long out of the window at this point, so I just didn't think about it much 😂
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Жыл бұрын
@@Koroto ture, but I feel like people only really shit on the Saviour arc, completely forgetting that the Whisperer arc is arguably even worse. While with the saviours everyone is just completely overpowered with armies beyond reason, I feel lke they saw the criticism and just decided to go down to like two guns appearing in the entire season, both on the Whisperers side. In the comics it made sense that they wouldnt be to well armed, consedering the long peace, the limited bullets in the world and just how quickly the Whisperers go form no conflict to pikes. But in the show they literally had an entire subplot about Eugene building bullets last season and they knew Alpha was evil from the point Lydia was captured and told them, so there is no reason the Whisperers at the gate wherent just gunned down. And even if they didnt do that, the Whiperers could have easily all been sniped from a save distance every time they appear at the gates of a city, because they never change thier clothes which makes at least the ones they saw before easily trackable, plus Beta is like three times the size of a average walker making him an even easier target
@josephmatthews7698
@josephmatthews7698 11 ай бұрын
Beta and alpha in the show were frickin superb and this coming from a guy who hated the whisperer arc in the and comics. Those two actors absolutely nailed it and dramatically improved an otherwise not good or at best average storyline.
@brightwolfz
@brightwolfz Жыл бұрын
They probably chose to kill Henry because he and Judith were going to be filling the same role as "Carl replacement" going forward. While narratively it would make more sense to keep Henry and kill Judith (not the mention her face being on a pike would be an absolute gut punch), I think TWD team in general probably thought that killing her off would cause a lot of problems and piss off the fanbase even more. Could have relegated Judith to NOT be a Carl replacement, but then what do you do with her that can both effect the main story but not completely throw it off the rails by creating new story threads that either change the entire outcome of an arc or end of meaning nothing in the end (although it's not like they cared much for that if this retrospective is anything to go off of, haha).
@vincenta8652
@vincenta8652 Жыл бұрын
Makes no sense to keep Henry over Judith. Although I don’t think it was was necessary to kill Henry either
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215 Жыл бұрын
The highwaymen were so cute!! They deserved more than six seconds
@Origin._.
@Origin._. 10 ай бұрын
When I was watching The Walking Dead show, I got way too attached to Henry. I thought he was the replacement for Carl, so seeing his head on the stick, I cried man.
@nobodyepicz7538
@nobodyepicz7538 Жыл бұрын
This is the best sh!t ever, sad its almost over.. its been gooood ride so far! gonna miss it.
@LLD2206
@LLD2206 Жыл бұрын
When I watched the border scene my brain just shut off. I kept thinking, "no, no they didn't do that. That's not what just happened" the worst part was is as it was happening, I guessed who the final face was.
@foretwentydude
@foretwentydude Жыл бұрын
In the show, 'the border' upset me, because what was the point of killing of Carl Papa
@loman4145
@loman4145 10 ай бұрын
*Rick calmly said
@loman4145
@loman4145 10 ай бұрын
Great
@DBTGAMER
@DBTGAMER Жыл бұрын
Rosita was technically pregnant and she killed 13 people.😮🥺 Alpha is a very dangerous villain In the comic and show. I am enjoying the video's only 2 seasons left. Keep up the great work. 🙂
@darkknight5541
@darkknight5541 Жыл бұрын
Technically pregnant? How can anyone only be technically pregnant?
@ETLettuce
@ETLettuce Жыл бұрын
I think gigachad judith is actually an interesting comparison to the virgin Henry. Because it shows senority doesnt equal being inherintly smarter
@lukaslambs5780
@lukaslambs5780 Жыл бұрын
It’s always wild how over time we (you, not me lol) have made so much progress over time, we are so far into the series now!!!!
@sunlessllama6969
@sunlessllama6969 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE YOU 😭
@Almightyh1
@Almightyh1 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a comic book recap
@tytybaby06
@tytybaby06 9 ай бұрын
I started reading the comics after the Negan cliff hanger so I knew the whisperers were coming but I didn’t know who’d be on the wall. So I was scared to see king EZ & Rosita but glad they didn’t & henry & Tara was a shock cause as you said I thought he was the new Carl but it was way past Enid’s time without Carl she had no real place in the story
@vincenta8652
@vincenta8652 Жыл бұрын
I loved the highway men episode I always wanted an episode with them going out to simply get things for entertainment. You know … real people. It also gave them to show the kids and everyone at the fair. Who wouldn’t want to see a movie after not seeing one after a decade?
@ottoww289
@ottoww289 Жыл бұрын
When the show showed Tara’s death they made a trick to make us think it was Rosita, well when I first watched it I thought it was Rosita even when we saw the head so I was surprised when Rosita was alive in the next episode
@MobiusTrigger7
@MobiusTrigger7 8 ай бұрын
Carls comic book character was split between Judith and Henry, its slap in the face obvious lmao. and we see Michonne close Alexandria off to protect Judith. but due to the fact shes so distant in protecting her, we see it allows Judith to run off. Michonne is not paying attentions to Judith rather shes paying attentions to possible threats. idk to me this was unmissable details. and the highwaymen are simple, they 1 are canon fodder, and 2 they show that there are small groups that populate the world.
@spacemanperson_3104
@spacemanperson_3104 9 ай бұрын
One thing I never got on the pike kill list is that Tara could of been a new Maggie Henry was Carl and Enid should of been the big death
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Жыл бұрын
I feel like they went a bit too far with the border scene in the show. In the comic its mostly unimportiant sidecharacters, with Rosita and Ezekil being the only big charcters to die. The show had characters of a similar level in Enid and Henry, but on top of that it also has D.J., who depite not appearing too ofter is in the show since the saviour times, Tara who has been a big charcter since season 4 and Tammy had much more screentime in the show too. There was no real reason to go this far, just two big characters like in the comics with some random people for Hilltop/Alexandria would have hit just as hard without wasting so many characters
@bishbosh4815
@bishbosh4815 Жыл бұрын
And yet people say the deaths weren't significant enough. People wanted bigger characters to die I guess, but the thing is, I think Rosita and Ezekiel were far bigger and more popular in the show, losing them wouldve been too much, especially after just losing Rick and Jesus
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Жыл бұрын
@@bishbosh4815 I dont get how people can think that. Terra was one of the last early show characters to still be arround, Henry was in the middle of becoming a huge character and the others where all way bigger side characters than the ones they chose in the books. We where already running low on older characters people actually care about, whith this scene they amplified that problem. And yes, killing Ezekil and Rosita would have been a huge mistake, they where way too importiant to just die like that
@bishbosh4815
@bishbosh4815 Жыл бұрын
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 *Tara and Ezekiel 😂. Well... I think it's just that Tara and Enid were always quite tumultuous characters and not very well liked among fans. A lot of people's reactions to Tara and Enid's deaths was indifference or "good riddence", because of how they were written to be so unlikeable in previous seasons. They had their fans, but most people were meh about them. It wasn't as impactful if Rosita or Ezekiel had died as they were much more popular, even though Rosita was ruined in season 7 too. I think the bad writing of season 7 and 8 really left a scar on viewers, but for me, while I was never a big fan of Tara, Enid and Henry, they were written much better in season 9 and were really coming into their own and had hopes for the future, so while I wasn't really sad that they died because I really liked them, it was more just tragic that they were just getting their lives together and had them cut so short because Alpha is just so evil and toxic
@bishbosh4815
@bishbosh4815 Жыл бұрын
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 but I think this is the "problem" with later seasons of TWD. Death and unpredictability was a fundamental part of the early seasons of TWD, it felt like anyone could die at any time and no one was safe. Characters would die unexpectedly in random episodes, and characters that felt like they would play a bigger role were cut short, but it made sense for the story and narrative and it was built up to. But every deaths became too random and unpredictable. Characters would only die in finales and premieres and it would be simply to trim the fat or add shock value, not because it served a greater purpose in the story, unless it was the death of innocence and naiivity. But I think after the killed Glenn and Abraham, as much as it made sense for the story, it left such a gaping hole because those characters were so popular that it just couldn't be filled, and then they killed Sasha, then Carl, then Rick left, then Jesus died... I think it all got too much, and it felt like every good character was dying. I think they got afraid to kill off anyone else for fear of the backlash and losing even my viewers as viewership was plummeting. So after the pikes, which was the last real big moment in the show, despite it continuing for 3 more years, they just clung onto the remaining cast for dear life and they were afraid to kill off anyone else that's even remotely popular, even when it wouldve made sense and wouldve added to the gravitas and emotional impact of a storyline. Literally the only notable characters that died in the 46 episodes that followed were Siddiq, Alden, Luke and Rosita, who were glorified side characters. And especially with the spinoff announcements that gave Daryl, Carol, Maggie and Negan impenetrable plot armour, all stakes were removed, which made the story extremely boring despite all the action. A long rant but, it needs to be said 😂
@Koroto
@Koroto Жыл бұрын
Ehhh, that's sort of the thing - the comic cast was also magnitudes smaller than the TV one. I think the show already had (and will continue to have) a problem of expanding on new character stories (characters like Gabe, for example. He exists in the book, but he hasn't appeared for like 30 issues. Ditto for Sidiq and many many others. Also the big characters like Tara were also already mega sidelined, so I wouldn't even call them major anymore) to the point that there's very little room for the bigger story to actually move forward and instead of trying to narrow in on it, they inevitably just return to the core cast and everyone else is forgotten. On top of that, I think AMC was married to Daryl and Carol at this point, so everyone else was a bit of a take it or leave it deal 😂 If anything, more of the "major" characters should've probably ended up on the pikes, but at the same time, I think it already hit the point of diminishing returns in terms of shock. Plenty more about this in seasons 10 & 11 though - the sheer number of characters there is a mess. 😬
@Flipitmixit
@Flipitmixit Жыл бұрын
I love how this walking dead retrospective hasnt been Brief at all
@rsdillbot3646
@rsdillbot3646 10 ай бұрын
I think the difference between Henry and Judith is their parents.
@mateowar5916
@mateowar5916 Жыл бұрын
I am very displeased that you disrespected the highwaymen. Ozzy was a real leader, he only joined the kingdom to let his crew watch a movie. While Ezekiel was watching the movie when he should have been watching his son, and The Daryl gang was getting ***** like scrubs, Ozzy and Alek were protecting the movie! DJ protected the movie 😭
@zacmccollum7144
@zacmccollum7144 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I can't wait for your next video! I love this series and I agree about ths snow. Winter survival is so much more demanding. I'd hate that part of the apocalypse lol. Just imagine trying to bathe in that shit! I just wouldn't... I'd be a fuckin skank lmao 😂🤣
@wiremuharimate6666
@wiremuharimate6666 11 ай бұрын
Yeah that height thing about Negan was stupid it's like some people acted like he was 5 foot 10 no Negan in the comics is 6 foot 4 and Jeffree Dean Morgan is 6 foot 1 it's really not that big of a deal at least they got someone tall to play Negan and no one could play off the charisma of Negan like Jeffree Dean Morgan either so people shouldn't have gotten upset about it
@deliriushunter
@deliriushunter Жыл бұрын
Thy pyke scene in the show was the last incredible scene tbh.. it was so goddamn good
@RollingxBigshot
@RollingxBigshot Жыл бұрын
34:00 brah you just described a spin-off
@darkknight5541
@darkknight5541 Жыл бұрын
Carl: Starts a war because he got horny. Henry: Dies because he got horny.
@rxgz5722
@rxgz5722 Жыл бұрын
ive waited so long 👴🏽
@sevenisannoying
@sevenisannoying Жыл бұрын
the border scene is kinda lack luster when u realize the only characters on it that u care about is henry (ehhhh) enid, and tara.....
@18KaratRunOfBadLuck
@18KaratRunOfBadLuck Жыл бұрын
the whole stakes on head part was like "oh okay moving on" for me watching it, the show was already just kind of making me get annoyed and bored of it.
@noturmum7967
@noturmum7967 8 ай бұрын
Yoy shiuld watch black summer s2 Its set in the snow
@strwbrryhearts6942
@strwbrryhearts6942 Жыл бұрын
I only read the first 50 editions of the comics as I was literally 7 when they started releasing...my dad let me read the prison arc when I was 9 I don't know why lmao...BUT basically I went into this with little to no idea of what would happen, and I genuinely remember the border scene being jaw dropping. I don't cry at shows very often but thinking about Carol losing her 4th child and seeing Daryl try to protect her from the reality of the situation was insane! I agree that the 1,8,16 formula was getting old, which made the border scene even more unexpected for me. I do like that they didn't make us wait til the next season to see some of the aftermath, and seeing Carol/Ezekial's relationship + the kingdom fall apart was absolutely heart wrenching for me as I always really enjoyed their dynamic. I never comment on videos but the border scene in particular was mentioned here and I loved it so much I felt like I needed to comment lol. Thank you for the fantastic videos, you help keep my TWD fixation going even when I'm not actively re-watching the show for the 3rd time lol. Great work Koroto :] !!
@MobiusTrigger7
@MobiusTrigger7 8 ай бұрын
When i saw the boarder in the show i leaped out of my chair in shock lol but Henrys death was lame should have been a full replacement for carl
@djravewave1118
@djravewave1118 Жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you had a good experience with the border scene, but to me personally I thought it was probably the worst moment in the show. Henry dying is a W becuase he's unberable in the show to me, Edith pretty much fell into obscurity, and Tara was the only important death there. Everyone else was barely considered a character. It'd be more forgivable if there was any semblence of explaination as to how Alpha even got all of them from the fair and whatnot, but it just happens with zero mention as to how. I guess Alpha is just fucking cranked or something
@Grayson-ge7kb
@Grayson-ge7kb Жыл бұрын
Rip
@BoyWonder1914
@BoyWonder1914 3 күн бұрын
The show really softballed it with the victims compared to the comic. I knew the showrunners weren’t gonna be THAT bold. Still got the message across pretty effectively though
@whereistheserotonin
@whereistheserotonin Жыл бұрын
do y’all think rick was a good leader? like someone to follow in this world? i think a lot of the good things that happened to them, mostly happened due to other people finding it or making those decisions
@whereistheserotonin
@whereistheserotonin Жыл бұрын
he was cool tho when he had his unhinged moments
@Fafshujnfas31
@Fafshujnfas31 Жыл бұрын
W
@keifer7
@keifer7 2 ай бұрын
You’re here to smash that like and subscribe button lmao
@Ajwhosover
@Ajwhosover Жыл бұрын
Watching the border scene without knowing a single thing about it before left me honestly stunned. 9X15 was something I had never even thought of them doing and everyone always just trashed the show and says it got bad after Negan but the whisperer arc and this dagger is the most impactful thing I’ve seen watching the whole show
@wesleybrown9018
@wesleybrown9018 Жыл бұрын
When my wife and I saw the border scene our main thought was surprised the show had the balls to do it.
@DourFlower
@DourFlower Жыл бұрын
Love this season
@succulentbeans8703
@succulentbeans8703 Жыл бұрын
Head first haha
@Bluerock121
@Bluerock121 Жыл бұрын
Daryl having a boss battle with beta just looks so fucking goofy. It works in the comics with negan because he’s also massive but there’s no way Beta couldn’t just break Daryl in half, he’s like 5 weight classes above him
@WastelandBowman
@WastelandBowman Жыл бұрын
Season 9 is so good. Top 3 season for sure.
@Arkanyte
@Arkanyte Жыл бұрын
I have to say, Season 9 Episode 15 "The Calm Before" is by far, my favourite episode of the TV series, along with S9 being my favourite season, watching it for the first was such a HOLY SHIT moment for me (especially since TWD wasn't as popular anymore so I never got spoiled for anything). The Border scene in it of it's self was so tragic, the juxtaposition of it all was so... heartbreaking, especially since this was the penultimate episode and not the finale, sine by this time the finale format had become of the show for. I could honestly go fully in depth in the entire episode as a whole, like how the opening scene perfectly set the tone. A couple, making their way in the apocalypse, thriving, surviving, their happy, and the happiness is now snuffed out with a eerie tension as Alpha kills them and proceeds to skin the woman's hair. Anyways this episode was fantastic 9.9 for me, the only nitpick I have is the Pike choices, I feel like some Highwaymen could've been spared and more Oceanside members would take their place, so the Highway men could in time in S10, come into their own as individual characters, but that's really my only nitpick the rest is just great.
@talkingonyoutube623
@talkingonyoutube623 Жыл бұрын
The last four episodes of s9 is my favorite part of the season. Scars is in my top 20 episodes, and The calm before my third favorite episode. While I knew the pikes were coming, on first watch all the build up to that moment almost made me sick. I agree that it would had been so good to have more snow throught the show
@TheDrexLord
@TheDrexLord Жыл бұрын
Why you finnish the retrospective on this you should also do them on the spinoffs, mainly deas city, daryl, and rick and michone, but I would hate ones on fear, world beyond, and tales
@dunbass7149
@dunbass7149 Жыл бұрын
How would that work ?
@TheDrexLord
@TheDrexLord Жыл бұрын
@@dunbass7149 the same way he does videos on other shows.
@dunbass7149
@dunbass7149 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDrexLord oh I thought you meant as a retrospective
@bobguy5006
@bobguy5006 Жыл бұрын
first
@vincenta8652
@vincenta8652 Жыл бұрын
I rather take Henry in over his head then a edge lord Carl who were also suppose to just think is so bad ass ? Henry is cool. He’s is polite , caring , he can fight , works hard to support his Friends and family and had a strong moral compass. He’s also a teen and all else that comes with it.
@Bluerock121
@Bluerock121 Жыл бұрын
“Edge lord Carl” you’ve never even read the comics lmao the show is dogshit cope
@vincenta8652
@vincenta8652 Жыл бұрын
I won’t claim to know how one would adequately showcase the timelines without breaking down into micro rants, but as someone who has consumed both versions there wadnt really an explanation about the differences and more like you kinda focus on the comics and mention only the key focal points of season 9
@bboyfan22
@bboyfan22 Жыл бұрын
Alpha always annoyed me. Both in the show and the comics. Yeah, she has a bunch of zombies... But like... Whatever. She's got no fire power, she's not particularly menacing or smart. Kind of a weak character
@FigureInMind
@FigureInMind Жыл бұрын
For Rick Grimes
@MrMNo13
@MrMNo13 Жыл бұрын
Sadly, this is where I started to fall out of love with the Walking Dead. By the end of Season 9, I started watching recorded episodes on Monday or Tuesday instead of every Sunday night.
@rsdillbot3646
@rsdillbot3646 10 ай бұрын
I think the difference between Henry and Judith is their parents.
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