A Closer Look At The Old-School Electrics At Bootyhole Medical

[@satanicinduction]

Follow up video shows the open-delta system: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4LYc4Cke72Hl8U

[@GothGuy885]

very interesting old electrical and elevator controls which were all relay logic back then. and also beyond my total understanding. thanks for posting! 👍

[@satanicinduction]

That elevator is way over my head too, but way cool. I wish i could see it operate.

[@rupe53]

@@satanicinduction That elevator gear is old but not original to the building. I would guess circa 1960 or so. The early gear was mounted on slate panels as the insulator and the relay parts were all Bakelite.

[@2StrokeDriptroit]

The “cloth” wire os known as Type R wire and it in fact is RUBBER insulated, the cotton braid, which has fire retardants in it and the rubber as well, still used in modern vinyl wire like type T, TW, THW, MTW, and THHN/THWN, which is actually MORE flammable than type R ironically, uses the fabric braid to protect the actual rubber asunder from abrasion when pulling it into conduit, etc, and has moisture reducing compounds as well. It is perfectly safe and s rated at 60 c temperature rise, same as type T and TW vinyl wire. As long as run within the ampacity of the wire size-like 15 amp for #14, 20 amp for #12, etc, it is absolutely safe. Only exposure to high ambient temperatures like in hot attics, boiler rooms, etc, will the rubber insulation possibly get brittle, as well as overloading to heat the wire. I have beautiful Type R wire I use with my antique wiring devices that are part of my fixture and light bulb collection and to be used in knob and tube systems etc. that is well over 100 years old and as good as the day was made, some from black conduit, and knob and tube I salvaged from old buildings we tore down which was our business. It is good stuff! The older wire was tinned with solder so the rubber insulation was less likely to adhere to it for easy stripping, and to facilitate easy soldering before wire nuts were a thing. And the splices used rubber spacing compound type tape then were over wrapped in cloth friction tape to protect the rubber tape. These are still made today! You MUST use BOTH, and there is no adhesive in either, the rubber tape molds into one piece of rubber, it must be stretched out before applying and you grip the splice so body heat will vulcanize the rubber! The friction tape has a gummy rubber in the cloth that semi-adheres, and also requires you to hand vulcanize the rubber! It is FAR better than modern PVC vinyl electrical tape! I still will use friction tape if I use vinyl tape on a split-bolt “bug” splice, because the vinyl tape has a propensity to get gooey due to the plasticizer in the soft vinyl tape migrating into the adhesive and turning it into non adhesive goo! The cloth/rubber friction tape keeps it all together. I love old electrical installations like this! Old “cob jobs” Can be rectified and this good old stuff will last eons. The open bus bar knife switch panels are awesome and favorites of mine! Also, smaller gauge wire feeding these individual safety switches can be used as long as no more than 6 feet long by code, so these are actually done right. The only issue I see is more than one wire per lug termination, BUT if done carefully to insure good clamping on all wires, it CAN be implemented safely! Cheers! 😋👍🏻

[@derekfoulk4692]

All you guys here are a bunch of arm chair safety experts but what you don't know or understand is that this wiring is safe so long as it's not messed with. What would be a problem would be if you replaced a fuse and started smelling a fire or noticing the equipment failing right after use. The proper way to deal with this is to build a new service and slowly get rid of this crap. I grew up in big old farm houses built from the 1860s and that's how we addressed this. Another thing I would be scared of would be water or moisture in those old cloth wires but if their dry it's usually fine just make sure your loads are small. These days of course people want to run air fryers in their rooms because land lords like to buy these properties up and convert them but honestly that's what they deserve anyways for doing that....

[@satanicinduction]

It hasn't burned down yet

[@gallowaylights]

It's interesting how things have changed for the better or worse.😮

[@satanicinduction]

It can be hard to tell which way its gone

[@armandotorres626]

Kudos on the hand painted labeling

[@satanicinduction]

Agreed it adds a lotta character

[@ExitSignAficionado]

@@satanicinduction especially the exray

[@rupe53]

I'd be interested to see the tags inside the panels close up. Many have a print date and that would be a clue to the age of the gear. That Westinghouse stuff looks old enough to be made when George himself might have still been running the company. Square D has been around since 1903 but most of that seems to be 50's vintage or newer. Interesting that so many connections are double and triple tapped, and in various sizes too boot. I have seen those open buss fuse boxes and this one is pretty fancy. (factory made) I was once in a house (Greenwich Ct) where the panel was all hand built on varnished bead-board. The door was the size of a double closet door. It was originally a 400 amp single phase service... and still in use circa 2010. Everything else in this house seemed pretty original and I was told the owner liked it that way!

[@satanicinduction]

Hand made fuse box man thats some oldskool stuff. I would end up keeping old stuff like that if it was in my house, but i might add some lines for big loads and limit the original stuff to low current. Its far too cool to just rip out and throw away.

[@rupe53]

@@satanicinduction You have to remember that the age (circa 1900) would dictate the place was built without AC and each outbuilding on the property (about 50 acres) had it's own service. I would imagine it was basically one circuit for each room, which would have been lighting for the most part. We're talking the kind of old money where the horse barn has a steeple with a clock tower and stamped metal ceilings. The greenhouse had its own coal boiler and pipes heating the ground so they could extend the growing season outside to about 9-10 months in New England. I suspect the biggest thing on the electric system was a pump system for irrigation of lawns / flowers... and the swimming pool. Don't forget the reflecting pools with the Roman statues in the gardens. Yeah, that kind of old money! Did I mention the view of Long Island Sound? I believe the property is still the largest privately owned parcel on the water.

[@satanicinduction]

@rupe53 sounds sick

[@rupe53]

@@satanicinduction Yup, it was a major distraction while trying to help with a quote for a standby gen set. The problems we faced was the guy didn't want to see it or hear it, and that meant remote from the house, which adds substantial cost, especially since we were talking something in excess of 100Kw. They decided to NOT do the job and put the place on the market about 2 years later. As I recall, the asking price was pushing $30 million. The sick part was it went for a bit less (less than $20 mil?) then the new owner gutted the place... everything new.

[@satanicinduction]

Dam

[@Fluffberymoff]

I also have an interest in electrical systems, nice video

[@satanicinduction]

Thanks fam

[@kevinpoore5626]

You know what's funny when I was a young lad in the early eighties my grandparents house was antique wiring And now here I am a full grown adult so we think and about half of my career is removing ancient equipment I tell most of my customers I'm an archaeologist not a renovation expert LOL

[@satanicinduction]

Thats hilarious

[@kevinpoore5626]

@satanicinduction yeah I'm kind of a rare bird My father was a master industrial electrician so basically as soon as I was able to carry a meter is when I started my apprenticeship LOL Labor laws we don't need no stinking labor laws 😗😃

[@satanicinduction]

Raised right

[@kcgunesq]

500kcmil is about 7/0. Does that sound right?

[@satanicinduction]

Thats probably close to the size of those main lines

[@davidturney2975]

That old elevator set up is where it's at!! It was made before safety was invented!

[@satanicinduction]

Back then it was survival of the smartest

[@rupe53]

don't kid yourself. Elevators have some of the strictest safety standards and were lightyears ahead of the open wiring on other gear of the day.

[@davidturney2975]

@rupe53 jokes man do you get them

[@rupe53]

@@davidturney2975 I get the sarcasm but thought I might inject some facts for those who want to argue. Now that both sides are covered we can get back to reality.

[@satanicinduction]

To be fair (Choir sings "to be fair") The relays are all exposed

[@davezollars9317]

I love it, dont fix it if it isn't broke

[@satanicinduction]

Exactly

[@konradpetz7317]

that's not aluminum wire its probably Tinned copper.

[@satanicinduction]

It was you. You said it. You're right.

[@HappyDiscoDeath]

1:17 yum yum, asbestos wire

[@satanicinduction]

Everyone's favorite

[@sparkplug1018]

Please tell me this building isn't still in use, and is either scheduled for demolition or renovation.

[@satanicinduction]

Lol This building is home to a successfull business and it fully IN USE, as is ALL the original wiring. No plans for renovation or demolition.

[@geonbraive4793]

hey there its me GEONBRAIVE from vrchat remember me? i havent seen you in months

[@satanicinduction]

I've missed you, GEON. I can't explain it here, but i hope to see you again soon and ill tell you all about it then.

[@kcgunesq]

I wouldn't be opening covers and especially dead fronts like these without rubber gloves, FR clothing and a face shield. I can hear transformer hum so something is likely energized.

[@satanicinduction]

Bro its ALL energized. This place hasn't decomissioned any of their original wiring. Its crazy

[@joecummings1260]

Dude, grow a pair. It's 240 3 phase with a high leg.

[@satanicinduction]

@joecummings1260 gotta respect electricity, not fear it

[@kcgunesq]

@@joecummings1260 You do you. But with old installs of unknown condition, i would exercise more caution. The main panel shown appears to be at least 300A. Also, i couldn't rule out 480v.

[@satanicinduction]

Its definately not 480v. The fuses are all rated 250v and there's a normal breaker box hooked to it. If it were 480v, i would be far more hesitant to stick my face up in there lol

[@TradieTrev]

Looks like a fire hazard! I'd gut it and redo the lot!

[@satanicinduction]

They'll probably never even de-energize the upstairs pannel, which is nuts, but it makes for an interesting time working on stuff for sure

[@TradieTrev]

@@satanicinduction They are stupid; I'd ask how much they make financial per year and make a plan to upgrade when it's viable.

[@BACKFIREFUR]

And the old stuff will be alive and kicking long after all the safety crap now days is dead and failed. I would have no problem using those old boxes.

[@satanicinduction]

Expected service life of AFCI breakers? You're most certainly right

[@bryanyoung9482]

Some of that old fabric wire has asbestos in it.

[@satanicinduction]

They were doing asbestos they could

[@Ericbakereb1]

Newb lights

[@satanicinduction]

Them newbs need plenty of light

[@JohnSmith-mn4wf]

Lol this is some horrific shit

[@satanicinduction]

I love it

[@trebrehenuf]

Puckerish.

[@satanicinduction]

Very much