A Comparison of Super 8mm, Hi8, Mini DV and HD all shot in 2019

[@mikeygoda]

I love how each format seems to define the time period! Super 8 = 1970's VHS-C = 1980's Hi8 = 1990's Mini DV = 2000's HD 1080p = 2010's 4K = 2020's

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and for commenting. You are absolutely right

[@dedov9406]

VHS is more 1980s and VHS-C and hi-8 are more 1990s

[@roughedup]

This Video is in 720p, and its 2022 :D 4k is actually not that necessary

[@mikeygoda]

@@roughedup I was making more of a comment about the availability of the different formats giving generalized aesthetic value to each time period, but ok.

[@cody8860]

70s = Umatic 80s = Betacam 90s = Digital Betacam 00s = Digital HD 10s = HDR era 20s = Immersive Era? A general rule with digital video is consumer gear is a decade behind. They started using digital 1080p in 2000 for cinema, '05 for TV, '10 for consumers. The sensor size, bit depth and dynamic range improvements were the biggest change last decade, hense HDR. With OLED/QDOLED being available in more devices this era you can notice a big difference in colour outside the cinema for this period. My prediction for this decade is VFX, photogrammetry, 180 degree video finding it's way gradually into consumers hands and also being used in the cinema. 3D will make a comeback and won't require glasses by the time Avatar 3/4 comes out. Cinema is slower to adopt 180 video because of the logistics but I predict they will combine it with multiple angles and setups to create a 3D experience similar to a stage play but with more depth and VFX.

[@kitchencadetgameplays6105]

See I love how despite being a digital tape format dv still has a unique look where as hd video is defined only by the sensor

[@ReelFilm2016]

Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more.

[@trascendentalsunset]

HD is literally souless holy shit.

[@ReelFilm2016]

TrascendentalSunset Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. I like you am drawn to the more analog video. I think HD has its place for events such sport and video games but I would love all the news networks to go back to analog for example.

[@TinLeadHammer]

If by soulless you mean the most accurate, then yes.

[@trascendentalsunset]

@@TinLeadHammer damn man thats dark

[@RockinEnabled]

@@trascendentalsunset you started it! :D

[@toquelau5715]

@@TinLeadHammer absolutely describes the current state of romantic relationships. miss when they were 'analog', and dating/making meaningful connections actually meant something tangible, not mostly virtual like today.

[@zenitpro]

There's something so cinematic about the look of 8mm film... okay, it's real film and all, but it is just so cool! What kind of format does this 8mm film come in? Reels or cassettes or whatnot?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Rodrigo Neves da Silva - Hello there, thanks for your comment. I feel exactly the same about Super8 film. I have more videos on my channel (black and white / Colour). Super 8mm comes in a cartridge format. (The film is on a spool within the cartridge). I use on8mil online. If you search KZbin, you can find loads of info on the different types of formats. You can pick up super 8 cameras pretty cheap but it’s the film/ processing / digitisation that’s costs. Hope that helps and please subscribe and tell your friends 😀

[@zenitpro]

@@ReelFilm2016 oh, thanks for the info! I imagine it would be quite prohibitive to have such kind of camera here in Brazil, due to all the costs you mentioned. I'll try to find labs where they handle such cartridges and maybe give it a try! Keep shooting!

[@lua3086]

@@zenitpro oi Rodrigo! é muito triste mesmo que não existe nenhum lab no brasil! eu moro em chicago e trabalho com película portanto se precisar de uma conexão para revelar e processar película nos EUA é só me avisar

[@zenitpro]

@@lua3086 Obrigado! :-)

[@roxics]

It comes in solid gold, or at least you would think it does, considering how expensive it is.

[@joshuakaeble7810]

Hi. cool vid. I picked up this DIgital 8 Handycam a couple of months ago at a Goodwill for 7 bucks, and I've been playing with this thing like crazy. I am a retro geek, and I love the way that it looks. What does Hi 8 or Digital 8 mean? Is it a relative of the 8mm film? I'm not very camera savvy, but I've been enjoying tinkering around with it. I just purchased one of those Pinacle Dazzle machines so that I can move the footage from the tape to the computer.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Joshua Kaeble Hi, thanks for watching and your comment. Always good to hear that people are recycling old tech and using it today, especially old cameras. In regards to the Hi8 / Digital 8, have a read of the first couple of paragraphs of this link. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital8 Hopefully we get to see your footage soon. Please like and subscribe 😀 Cheers

[@Knightmessenger]

Digital8 uses the same video8/Hi8 tapes however it records on them a digital signal and only has 60/90 min recording time instead of the 2/4 hour.

[@evertonporter7887]

I had a Sony digital 8 camcorder years ago and loved the results, plus you could use either 8mm or hi8 tapes with it. The format gave footage similar to mini DV, but was a chore to transfer via firewire to a PC. I still miss it though.

[@DoubleMonoLR]

@@evertonporter7887 MiniDV & Digital8 both use DV compression, just on different tapes. There are quality differences between different MiniDV cameras, just as there are between any particular MiniDV & Digital8 camera, but it's not related to the media. It's related to the sensor, lenses and settings/processing such as exposure etc. Quite a few Digital8 cameras have a *very* useful feature though, and allow Video8 & Hi8 tapes to be played, and output as DV via firewire - giving an easy, high quality method to digitize Video8 & Hi8. These can be quite expensive to buy now.

[@miorby]

What mini DV camera did you use for this?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. It was the Canon MD235. However, I wasn’t the biggest fan of the camera. It washed the colours out in my opinion. I’m a Sony Mini DV fan. 😀

[@thesailamemoirs]

did you color grade any of this footage at all? or is this just the stock footage?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hello, thanks for watching and commenting. No, I shot all of this myself using various cameras. At the time, I didn’t use any kind of color grading, so what you are seeing is what came out of the cameras.

[@rizkyendar]

hey thanks for the comparison video! what type of hi8 and mini DV are u use? so i want to buy some secondhand old handycam because i want to get vintage footage look with decent quality, and be able to transfer it to my pc. maybe it would be nice if you have any suggestions what type of camera should i buy :) thank you.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Rizky Endar Hello there. Thanks for your comment. Well I personally really like the feel of old Sony camcorders, at least for Hi8 and Mini DV. I shot the Hi8 video with a Sony camcorder I picked up from eBay for around £40. You can pick these cameras up for varying prices dependent on their condition. The Mini DV video was shot with a JVC camcorder. I’m not totally sold on the quality of it however. I prefer the Sony DV’s. My old one broke 😭. Used it so much. I was already acquainted with these cameras from my college days in the late 90’s, early 00’s, so I knew the type of results these cameras would give me. I know you you didn’t ask about the Super 8mm footage, but I have videos all about these cameras on my channel if you are interested. The capture software I have found the most reliable was a product from Vidbox which I connect up to my IMac. 😀 Hope that helps.

[@stuartmcpherran5115]

Reel Film Are you gonna get a Sony Digital8? I prefer that over MiniDV.

[@tonivoul1971]

The hi8 camrecorders cost alot of money i found mine for 400€ and 500€

[@kevinjohansson3923]

Great comparison. The only issue I have is that the HD footage is filmed 50/60 FPS which makes it look way less cinematic than the older formats.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Absolutely agree. I like HD /4K etc for things such as sport or promotional videos but I much prefer formats which record onto something physical. Ha is for watching and commenting

[@philipv7555]

60 fps is the opposite of 'cinematic'

[@keisisqrl]

Hi8 looks like my childhood

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad it reminded you of your childhood.

[@milgeekmedia]

I've just dug out my old Sony HandiCam Mini DV for some video glitch effects and title sequences. It's nice to get some point of reference for the textural quality compared to other obsolete formats. Thanks.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes, it is nice to see comparison videos. I am in the process of making another, so be sure to subscribe and look out for it soon :-)

[@comeradecoyote]

I'm curious how the super 8 would look given a 2K or 4K scan. They record a suprising amount of data. Likewise shooting an iso 50 film, and doing a color grade, will produce surprising results as well. All the same could be said for regular 8 and if your were to do it all again, with 16mm film as well.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. The Super 8 footage in this video was given a 1.5k scan when it was processed but I had the option of having the ones you suggested. Also I agree with you in regard to colour grading. It is something which I have only started doing and I have been amazed at the results. Thanks again 😀

[@comeradecoyote]

@@ReelFilm2016 Sure thing. Film is sure a fun quirky medium, definitely a lot of opportunities for experimentation,

[@TinLeadHammer]

Here some Super 8 for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX_LanWKgrydb68

[@Tester-sh1mn]

It still amazes me how a 60 minute MiniDV holds ~13 Gigabytes of footage! (I should mention this is because of the high bitrate, when compressed it is much smaller but my point still stands.)

[@ReelFilm2016]

@Tester-sh1mn Hello, thanks for your comment. I did not know this! Wow! 13GB. How are you able to get that type of information? Is it standard maths? I am curious?

[@SantiagoMonroy5]

Um, i think that the minidv footage was an anamorphic 16:9 :/

[@ReelFilm2016]

YourTechGuy I have recently been playing around with the DV. It’s not my favourite camera. I found the setting was on a 16:9 ratio, so I am doing some filming on both settings to see what the results will look like. Very good spot. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@Salesman]

Wow, I forgot how much I loved the MiniDV format and that was because that's the main one I used when in college. Sure it was a pain in the ass the transfer over, but boy was it fun experimenting with video production back then. Makes me wish I stuck with it, even as a hobby. Thanks for the memories!

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hello, thanks for dropping buy and for your comments. Funnily enough, the camera I shot the DV on was horrible. It was a canon. I have since upgraded to a better DV camera. I too shot on DV whilst in College. It was a combination of VHS, Hi 8 and DV. Good times.

[@reel_images]

I liked your comment, I too started in College with MiniDV (Panasonic DVX100b), took film and TV. As a child I grew up the PXL 2000 Cassette Camera, then a huge 80's VHS Camera. In the 90's the Family got a VHS-C Camera. MiniDV was a pain to "dump" on a computer, but yes like you kinda miss the process. I just bought 2 days ago another DVX100b camera for $50, it only has 130 run hrs on the heads. I can sync the time code in free run mode. Lots of fun!

[@Salesman]

@@reel_images great to hear someone else feels the same as I do. Also, I may pickup another one but it would be the JVC GY-DV500U as from what I understand, those were the best cameras produced for the medium. Regardless, have fun and hopefully you can upload something to see what you've done with your camera onto KZbin.

[@reel_images]

@@Salesman Like wise, hence why I posted to your comment. I liked the fact you're nostalgic about MiniDV and the time period. Those cameras look like a beast! I'm looking into using QTGMC de-interlacing of 29.97i VHS and MiniDv to 59.94p

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@reel_images Awesome stuff. You know what I find funny? When I was studying media (1999-2002) and prior to the explosion of smartphones, nobody was really that interested in content creation. Now everyone is an expert. 😀

[@ricardorodriguez3107]

Thank you very much, this helped my wife and I find which film to choose from

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad the video was of some use to you. If you like this kind of content, please consider subscribing.

[@Wabaanimkii]

This is a great video. Any tips for shooting with Hi8?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I enjoyed making it. Never expected it to be one of my most watched videos. My only tip would be to find a couple of cheap Hi8 cameras to start out with. Don’t break the bank. This is how I started out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZa6c6yjZZd-hdksi=kfwnASHbuTtNf5JV The other video below might appeal. I did pay a little bit more for the canon, but it was more of a gamble in an auction. The Kodak camera was amazing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epbGdXeKoqqtjbcsi=tYDstfu6VGzfk-LR

[@YumeBasil]

What camera did you use for the mini dv parts

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hello, thanks for watching and commenting. It was the Canon MD235 but I would recommend getting a Sony Mini DV. In my opinion, the DV quality was poor. But maybe it’s exactly what you are looking for. 😀😀😀 please consider subbing if you enjoy this type of content.

[@giwagon4172]

great video! super 8mm & hi8 are the best imo. I'm more into that cinematic, vintage look, rather than the super high quality one we have now. I wish it was easy to just go buy a camcorder, they're so expensive and hard to get nowadays!

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I, like you prefer that vintage look. I know what you mean about cameras being expensive. I buy secondhand and have to save up. If you like my content, please sub. 😀

[@mattcintosh2]

The trouble with hi8 is the failure rate. I buy and sell those cams and half of them do not function properly.

[@Afiarchives]

This is cool to see! I have a mini DV camera and some old tapes. I can't find exactly the best way to transfer them from my camcorder over to my MacBook Pro 2018 (with touch bar and only USB c ports) I don't suppose you know?

[@ReelFilm2016]

herbet plum I do, ha ha. I currently use Vidbox. Just run a quick google search. It’s a little white box. Mac Compatible. Just installed the latest update.

[@Knightmessenger]

MiniDV is a digital tape format and the camcorder should have a firewire out port.

[@ReelFilm2016]

herbet plum Yes, this is another option. Either use the FireWire port on your computer or just pick up a FireWire to thunderbolt adapter.

[@Pasi123]

Definitely use FireWire, with it you can get an exact copy of the video. Analog capture devices will degrade the quality a lot.

[@InkDrop.]

Do you have a firewire port? Use that with a software that will capture in uncompressed DV or a lossless compression like huffyuv or lagarith. Don't have firewire but got thunderbolt? Buy the adapters that will convert to firewire and follow the same steps

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

MiniDV looked the best of the 8mm and Hi8 ...

[@alanvanallen7762]

Hi Adrian,this is an interesting video demonstrating the qualities of each recording format,what surprises me is how some commentors are telling you change the look of a particular video to try to improve it by ie.de-interlacing or colour grading etc. ,or some other process,but to me you have tried to show the different qualities of each recording format of the cameras/recording media.If you improve the footage by de-interlacing ,colour grading etc.that would not show in reality what the average Joe Soap would have got from his fairly cheap consumer camcorder I will have to try this out with my camcorders as I now have a Hi8,Digital8,MiniDV 1ccd , MiniDV 3ccd and Sony HVR Z1 HD and make a comparison video.Hope to do this a little bit later in the year when the weather improves. Best wishes Alan

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hi Alan, Thanks for you comment. You are absolutely correct. My initial reason for making this video was to compare each format in its original form. I suppose some people have more professional knowledge and like to impart it. If you do make a video, please let me know. 😀

[@biosik123]

Original form is properly deinterlaced video. Both hi-8 and DV are just garbage with fields blended together. Honestly, it's comparing 1080p to super 8. The rest is just broken.

[@ReelFilm2016]

@biosik123 Video has done okay view wise and I am happy with it. Thanks for your input.

[@Retikulum01]

Is it possible that the minidv cam had the 16:9 feature enabled

[@ReelFilm2016]

It’s possible, yes. It was such a long time ago, I don’t have anyway of checking. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@brakmaster]

I love the look of mini dv

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@biosik123]

Keep in mind that Hi8 and mini DV footage is not properly deinterlaced (panning shots show just blended frames when you pause). For younger folks out there who have never experienced these formats - this is NOT how it looks. This is how VHS/miniDV camcorder footage looks like kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6SbfHlnfMSgndU

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@biosik123 Thanks for your comment. Yes, I am aware that they aren’t properly deinterlaced, I have had many comments over the years. When I first uploaded the video, I was still quite new to editing these formats for KZbin and didn’t even understand how to deinterlace. Fortunately I now how to do that now. However, I would argue that this is how the format was originally seen by the consumer and the comparison holds up in that regard. However, the video you suggested is a good one and shows how lovely imagery can be from these cameras if you have the know how. I can’t believe it has been seen over 100k times. Mind boggling

[@ajmedia1274]

I think mini dv looks the worse, super 8 is just beautiful as is all film but the hi8 is very vintage too. I've just got hold of a couple of canonvision ex1 hi8 cameras so looking forward to experimenting! Thanks for this great video!

[@ReelFilm2016]

Adam Jones OMP I absolutely agree. I shot this on a Canon Mini DV. I recently had to get rid of my Sony Mini DV due to various issues and the quality on that was so much better. As soon as I saw the DV playback, I was a bit surprised. I am going to shoot with it again to ensure it wasn’t a settings issue. I hope you are able to share your results from your cameras. 😀

[@Knightmessenger]

@@ReelFilm2016 the sony vx 200 (3ccd miniDV) is one of the best standard def cameras ever made. I also had a canon miniDV. Thought it was terrible, no manual focus/exposure, did poor auto settings, bad stabilization, choppy sound pickup, noisy image unless under bright sunlight. Stuck with my sony Hi8 615 through the early 2010s when the battery stopped holding its full charge. Using the manual focus and manual exposure held up very well agaisnt other standard def camcorders. Only after HD sd card cameras and smartphones with all this advanced software processors and HDR did my Hi8 really become obsolete in quality, imo. It was just such a well made and easy to operate camera.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Knightmessenger That’s really interesting. From my perspective, super high definition cameras don’t reflect what I am actually seeing in real life. I have a Canon HD Camcorder (Legria RF606) which I purchased in 2015. I use it for most of my videos on this channel. It’s probably my favourite camera in regards to quality. Before that, I used my Sony Mini DV camera which I purchased in late 2001. I used that camera for about 12 years. Unfortunately it developed a fault with its eject mechanism. I sold it on eBay last year as spare and repair. What a camera though. I am looking to sell the Canon Mini DV and hoping to get another Sony Mini DV. I will have a look at the camera you suggested. Oh and Hi 8 is just a great format. 😀

[@targetrender9529]

Mini DV is great standard def quality. Very accurate color and shadows.

[@oldradiosnphonographs]

I associate Hi8 with my own personal nostalgia the most because I am a 90s/early 00s kid and my childhood home movies were shot on it, BUT the last couple of years I have been getting into Super 8 and 16mm film and cameras HARDCORE so I’m learning how to shoot film and do it properly. I also got some early 60s-80s Vidicon tube based cameras I’ve been getting into including Sony’s first consumer cam from 1965. I just don’t have the proper cables to hook up to see if it even works or makes a picture yet.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hello, thanks for watching and commenting. Oh dear, it looks like you have caught the camera bug. Don’t worry, it will start to wear off, to some degree, after about 5 years or so. 🤣 I love super 8. I haven’t heard of Vidicon cameras. That sounds interesting. Yes, cables can be difficult to source. I had a nightmare trying to get an AV cable for my JVC GF-500, but the hunt is part of the fun. See 12:04 in the clip below. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHTdiJhpbb1rf5Ysi=SB3QlLq0SChGhK7X Keep in touch and let me know how you get on.

[@oldradiosnphonographs]

@@ReelFilm2016 Right now I’m on a quest to get a canon 1014XLS. Vidicon cameras were from the era pre-1985 or 86 where the image censor on a video camera was a tube that caused a lot of light streaking, and they were worked with separate battery powered video recorders before all in one camcorders with CCD image censors replaced them.

[@alfonsosalinas3026]

Yoo 4 hour ago comment lol. I do plan on getting a hi8 or mini dv camcorder. Been feeling nostalgic lately lol.

[@oldradiosnphonographs]

@@alfonsosalinas3026 I got both. The ones I use are the early 2000s handycams even though they are a PAIN when they get those CR:31:22 or whatever errors. I had to slap the bottom of my Hi8 cam to get it to stop doing that and hot damn it worked!

[@ReelFilm2016]

Nice. I just looked it up. It looks lovely. Let me know if you manage to get one. I want to shoot some more film, just can't afford it right now!@@oldradiosnphonographs

[@maska013]

what camera would you recommend is best for miniDV? budget is about $250

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. For me, it really does come down to preference. It’s funny you should ask this now as I am making a video about two high definition video cameras, which used High Def mini DV format. I mean, for $250, I might suggest the HVR-A1E. Have a google, it can take High Definition mini DV cassettes. Or just google, Sony’s HVR range. Canon aren’t too shabby either but I only have a working knowledge of Sony cameras….for now anyway. But if you want something more retro, maybe something like Sony DCR-PC120E or it’s stateside equivalent model number

[@andrewtowell6074]

You want the Canon HV40 camcorder with Panasonic 63min HDV miniDV tapes. If you can find one cheap a Sony HC9E would be another one to look out for.

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@andrewtowell6074 Thanks for your comment. Can I just enquire as to why you are being so specific in regards to camera and tape combination? Is it known to produce good results? Cheers.

[@TinLeadHammer]

Yes, Canon HV40 for having it all (DV, HDV 30i, HDV PF30, HDV PF24 in the U.S. or 25i / PF25 if you are in Europe). Consumer Sony HDV camcorders cannot shoot progressive, and their mechanism is less reliable.

[@modepush]

what cameras did you use?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Kodak Instamatic M4 for Super 8. See below video for more about that camera. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epbGdXeKoqqtjbc Hi8 - it was a Sony Hi 8 camera , model CCD-TRV228E Mini DV - It was a Canon Mini DV camera. Model MD235. It was terrible, so I sold it. HD - Canon Legria HF R606

[@modepush]

@@ReelFilm2016 thank you!

[@MrLyosea]

Guy at 0:48 with big ears and sideburns looks like he's from 1979 making this shot perfect! Other people could fit well too!

[@ReelFilm2016]

This is true. I like the shots in the pub. 🥰

[@josecharron628]

i know i am late, but whats the model of that mini dv?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Canon MD235. 😀 Please consider subscribing if you like this kind of content.

[@josecharron628]

@@ReelFilm2016 thank you! I’ll definitely subscribe (:

[@yaboi3339]

god the hi8 looks SO GOOD

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes, gotta love Hi8

[@Trunkalunx]

Well done! Hey, if possible, if you ever do a film comparison like this again, can you include Digital8, as well?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. If I ever come to own a Digital 8 camera, I will look into it. 😀

[@TinLeadHammer]

Digital8 is the same as DV, just different cassette.

[@NicSchumi]

Super 8 rocks!

[@ReelFilm2016]

Nico Weinmann It certainly does. Thanks for watching.

[@fruitjuicebasket]

What brand is the mini dv and the hi8 please?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Canon MD235 - Mini DV. - HI - 8

[@ReelFilm2016]

Canon MD235 - Mini DV Sony Hi-8 CCD-TRV228E - HI - 8

[@r3d639]

Could you tell me please whats the model of your mini dv cam?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. The DV was shot on a Canon MD 235. Personally, it wasn’t my favourite. Much better DV cameras available. Please consider subscribing.

[@NikoPFFF]

@@ReelFilm2016 Do you know the difference between MDs and MVs? I tried MV800i and it don't have such "VHS effect" you know. Its just did "shitty digital camera effect" with a lot of colorful noise

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hi Niko, Thanks for watching and commenting. Are you asking about specific camera's in that range? Can you clarify please@@NikoPFFF

[@NikoPFFF]

@@ReelFilm2016 I was asking about whole MV and MD canon camera serieces, but in particular I'm trying to understand why is the difference between Canon MV800i and Canon MD235 is so big, that you can easely recognize "tape effect" in MD235 record, but not in MV800i. maybe you used to record on bad tape? sorry if my message is hard to understand, i'm not native

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hi Niko. That's okay. I think I understand what your are trying to say. Well, they were both Mini DV cameras, so they both recorded onto Tape. The MV880i came out in 2005. files.canon-europe.com/files/soft24388/Manual/MV790_MV800_Series_CUG_EN.pdf?_gl=1*596rhm*_ga*MjAwMTc0NjIzMi4xNzA4ODgzNjcz*_ga_PCGB3MYLJC*MTcwODg4MzY3My4xLjAuMTcwODg4MzY4MC4wLjAuMA..&_ga=2.16851065.1707338546.1708883673-2001746232.1708883673 They MD235 was released in 2008 files.canon-europe.com/files/soft31812/Manual/MD205_215_216_235IB_ENG_toc.pdf?_ga=2.222970331.1707338546.1708883673-2001746232.1708883673&_gl=1*1ksows7*_ga*MjAwMTc0NjIzMi4xNzA4ODgzNjcz*_ga_PCGB3MYLJC*MTcwODg4MzY3My4xLjEuMTcwODg4MzcyNi4wLjAuMA.. I didn't particularly like the cameras overall quality. So maybe the tape was bad or the sensor was playing up. Hope that helps. Please consider subscribing.@@NikoPFFF

[@theluckystreet]

I love the HI-8 one

[@ReelFilm2016]

Me too. One of my favoured formats

[@notreallyasloth]

Wish this was longer!

[@ReelFilm2016]

NotReallyASloth I have new videos coming soon. Thanks for watching and commenting. If you like these vids, have a look at my other Super 8 videos. 😀👍🏻

[@notreallyasloth]

@@ReelFilm2016 Thanks, will do!

[@Pavlentino]

Iphone 11 Pro Max 4k or DJI Pocket 2 in 4k?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Well I just picked up an osmo pocket 1 and I am very impressed with its quality

[@scott1564]

What Hi-8 camcorder did you use?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Scott 15 It was a Sony. Would you like the model no?

[@maxcheylov9928]

@@ReelFilm2016 please

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@maxcheylov9928 Sony Hi-8 CCD-TRV228E

[@CriticalTechReviews]

This Video 8 looks so much worse than the 90s tapes my mom and dad took on a relatively low end 1994 handycam. I wonder why. I was blown away watching it the other day, by how clear the 25 year old analog was, compared to old digital video from 10-15 years ago. Especially being just Video 8 and not Hi 8.

[@ReelFilm2016]

bobwinslow hi thanks for watching and commenting. My only issue was with the mini DV. I wasn’t happy with quality largely due to the fact that I used the format a lot in the 2000’s. I have since replaced that camera. In regards to the video 8, I am actually using hi-8 in this comparison and I was very pleased with it. I used the camera in New York and the quality was exactly how I remember it to be in the late 90’s. This is the link for it. I’d be interested to hear your view on it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJ29gZiEdptqhas

[@ananda_adi]

Hi8 definitely my favorite

[@ReelFilm2016]

I do enjoy Hi8 myself. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@asprinwizard]

Very interesting. I'd love to see 16mm film included to see how that compares with 1080p.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Now that would be cool but also very expensive. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@asprinwizard]

@@ReelFilm2016 fair enough, especially if you don't have a camera. Otherwise the cost of film, processing and scanning is more or less the same as Super 8 in my experience.

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@asprinwizard Oh really. For some reason, I thought it was about twice the price. I’ll have to look into it. I don’t own a 16mm camera. Never have. Maybe that’s something for me to consider for the future. I should probably try and start patreon account as everything I do is funded by moi. Can get quite expensive. 👍🏻

[@asprinwizard]

@@ReelFilm2016 Good idea. The old Soviet wind up ones don't break the bank and the image is very good. I'd start with one of those. Loading the film aside I prefer to use 16mm than Super 8.

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@asprinwizard Thanks for the advice. I’ll keep my eyes peeled on eBay. 👍🏻

[@BruceConsidine]

How did you convert the super 8mm to video file?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Bruce Considine Hi Bruce, Once I had shot the entire cartridge, I sent it off to a company called on8mil who specialise in this field. They develop and process the film and can also digitise it for you if you require. This company is UK based but they may also do international. Check their website. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@gianmarcofilipponi2673]

Once i saw on internet that exists a special scanner for cinematographic films that scan and digitalize frame by frame. It looks like a projector.

[@BruceConsidine]

Two places I've sent regular 8mm film to for a "data scan" are Video & Film Solutions in MD, they scan legacy vintage film, and Cinelab in MA. I like them both.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Bruce Considine Thanks for the info Bruce 😀

[@acertainsomeone4657]

Hi-8 and Mini DV footage was not deinterlaced properly! It should be as smooth as 1080p.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Aymeric Esparre Thanks for your comment. I’m not sure how you do that. The Hi-8 footage seems fine to me. I used to use hi-8 back in the day and it still looks the same. It may be the software I am using. Any tips 😀

[@acertainsomeone4657]

Can you share your workflow so that I have a better idea? Let's assume you just drag and drop the raw DV (avi/mov) files to your timeline in an editing software. Somewhere, there is going to be an option to specify what you want to do with interlaced files (for examples, in Vegas, it's in the project settings). You want to avoid anything like "blend" or "weave", and use options like "interpolate" or "bob". Some softwares even allow you to use more advanced technique like Yadif. Anyway, the result should be smooth motion (50 or 60 fps) and no double image or ghosting.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Aymeric Esparre I had no idea. I will have to look into this and do a bit of research. Thanks for the info and for your comments. I will endeavour to get back to you in due course.

[@dansmith7194]

Agree. Interlacing it properly will also achieve much sharper resolution. Because deinterlacing cuts the Resolution in half.

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@dansmith7194 I finally figured out how to do it :-)

[@philipv7555]

Can someone who's better with words than me pinpoint the exact aesthetic difference between Hi8 and mini dv? There is 'something' that differentiates it.

[@ReelFilm2016]

This is an excellent question.

[@philipv7555]

are you able to?@@ReelFilm2016

[@empireofdirtproductions6997]

Add just a little bit of contrast to the Super 8 footage and it would look even better. Super 8 is easily the winner here.

[@ReelFilm2016]

I totally agree. I wasn’t familiar with how to colour correct at this stage, but I would have done it. The camera I used was so basic as well. Great results.

[@empireofdirtproductions6997]

@@ReelFilm2016 Still looks cool though. The faded low-contrast look actually helps it look even more vintage.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

i thought the MiniDV looked the sharpest and best

[@miodragjr]

Super 8mm- Pre 1980s Look, Vietnam Era/Cold War styled recording. Hi8 - A old 1990s-2000s camera style Mini DV - A 2002-2008 camera style HD - Duh

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I like your categories. 😀

[@MrLyosea]

Actually Mini DV and Digital8 started in 1995 and 1999. My dad had a Digital8 as early as Oct 2000. But in terms of availability and common use I'd say your time ranges are just about 3 years off.

[@EM-km8em]

Super dilm and Hi8 are the kings! They still hold rich images when camera moves or things move around... where the others look cleaner but do not capture movements well enough

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Excellent observation there 😀

[@DoubleMonoLR]

Digital only really struggles with movement when the compression and bitrate isn't up to par.

[@SuperCalmCrew]

super helpful, thanks for this

[@ReelFilm2016]

Hello, thanks for watching and commenting. Glad the video was useful. 😀

[@LondenTower]

believe it or not. my mon and dad's MiniDV Camera surprisingly still works to this day. It's a Sony HandyCam after all. (We're using it to dub some older footage to an mp4 file. heck, i even filmed with it in 2021 to see it still records and it does.)

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Great to hear about your experience. I hope you keep hold of the camera and use it more frequently.

[@bordeaux4867]

Same. I found my dad's old camera. It still works after 16 years and the used format is MiniDV.

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@bordeaux4867 Thats great. What model is it?

[@tonivoul1971]

I have a hi8 camrecorder the TRV230E And the quality is good i have 5 tapes that i am planning to move the content into dvd so i can use them as blank tapes Btw i have both formats digital 8 and Hi8 tapes I think we deserve a reboot on the old tapes that sony made

[@ReelFilm2016]

I agree. Bring back the older formats. 😀

[@tonivoul1971]

@@ReelFilm2016 like i suppose these tapes won't cost that much because of the technology we own i mean there are gonna be much better quality and cost less so i would love to see a reboot too

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@tonivoul1971 Imagine the entire media and all content creators going back to using hi 8. Did you know, there used to be professional hi 8 cameras 👍🏻

[@tonivoul1971]

@@ReelFilm2016 i didn't know there were professional hi8 camrecorders

[@ReelFilm2016]

@@tonivoul1971 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255019752230?epid=108957601&hash=item3b605c9b26:g:7G4AAOSwuMVgysrL

[@kamikazilucas]

all my home movies were shot on mini dv and they arent as good as hd but they still good enough and significantly better than vhs

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching. Yeah, and you can’t really do anything about the fact that you shot at a specific point in time. During that time, it was likely that DV was king.

[@yuukoyuukoi476]

i swear i remember minidv looking better, like the footage you provided looks so bad. 1. it was deinterlaced using belnding method making it blurrier 2. it is actually anamorphic video, so it was supposed to be in 16:9 3. i remember colours being slightly less washed out. maybe video was shot with 1ccd camera

[@ReelFilm2016]

I shot this on a Canon Mini DV. When I was editing the video, even I noticed the DV quality. I used to shoot with Sony mini DV cameras and it didn’t seem to match the quality. I also agree with you regarding the colour. Also when I edited it I didn’t fully understand how to de-interlace a video but I do now. 😀

[@yuukoyuukoi476]

@@ReelFilm2016 awesome

[@matheusbatro]

Super cool!!

[@ReelFilm2016]

Matheus Batista Thank you. More comparison videos coming soon. 😀 Thanks for watching.

[@CorbinCorbin]

oof that HD makes me feel queasy

[@renvicious]

this is awesome! wanna see some more hi8 videos 😁

[@ReelFilm2016]

adam dior Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you enjoyed the content. Here is another of my Hi-8 videos which I shot last year. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJ29gZiEdptqhas

[@ivanardiansyah]

Hi 8 segment Soetoro Ivan Ardiansyah

[@amaruneru]

lindo video!!

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thank you. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@NoosaHeads]

The super 8 footage was dreadfully exposed. It does not show how good Super 8 can be.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Yes, I think you are right. This was my early foray into film, a number of years ago. Interestingly, a number of years ago, I sent some super 8 film for scanning and when It was returned to me in a digital format, I was much more confident in doing colour / saturation / exposure correction. I was stunned when I actually improved upon the digital copy they sent me. As they returned the negative, I scanned it with my film scanner and colour corrected, and the difference was negligible. My point being, that I shouldn’t need to ask for a digitised copy in the future,because I can scan and correct myself. The company apologised and blamed a person on work experience.

[@metalmick]

Lowestoft at its best.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for watching and commenting, that was quite some time ago! 😌 I shot this last week. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6iUi4ttZrSIetksi=AMnbRKgVBT7QZvoh

[@FeroxGraxaim]

I've seen Super-8 videos better than this...

[@ReelFilm2016]

Mr. Graxaim That’s fantastic. Thanks for your comment

[@FeroxGraxaim]

@@ReelFilm2016 You're welcome! On this video, Super-8 looks like low colors and contrast (Maybe fungus on the lens?) In another videos, I noticed a very nice quality on Super-8mm, much better than VHS for example.

[@FeroxGraxaim]

This is an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4GZdmmQpr1shLM

[@ReelFilm2016]

Mr. Graxaim Interesting. Well there is no lens fungus on the lenses of the cameras that I used. Whilst I am not exactly sure, I think some of the metering on the cameras may have been a bit off. Also, it could also be to do with the film I purchased and the ISO. I am still quite new to the whole process. I was happy with the results but I am always looking to improve. I have more Super 8 videos on my channel, so have a look and let me know. 😁

[@FeroxGraxaim]

@@ReelFilm2016 Some films have different calibrations for different lights. ISO and the development can affect the quality too. Please don't think this as an insult, I'm just making constructive criticism. I'll see your another videos :3

[@KohiOcha]

I hate the look of the HD one

[@extremumone]

Hi8 rocks Minidv = dead dimmed light and gone color saturation.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Agreed. Hi8 does rock. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@eduardoalviggio5436]

You cannot compare the super 8 with video cameras because you should have a film in perfect condition and shot by an expert in an excellent way. the cameras are all automatic instead the super 8 cameras were all manual and did not have autofocus so it seems clear that a comparison is practically impossible, however a super 8 frame has the visual quality of a 4K.

[@ReelFilm2016]

edoardo alviggio Hi thanks for watching. The comparison is just to show the difference in quality.

[@phalanxHH]

I like all of them except the HD 1080p because it looks boring and has no personality.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Yep, I largely agree. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@theeramet.a]

🤍🐰 love VDO

[@ReelFilm2016]

What is VDO? Video?

[@theeramet.a]

@@ReelFilm2016 sorry yes video in Thailand say VDO 🙈

[@TinLeadHammer]

Hi8 and MiniDV looks like garbage when you spray with the camera, because you did not deinterlace correctly - you doubled and merged fields; at least there is no combing, thanks I guess. Also, aspect ratio in some shots is wrong, like 0:39. But even with these artifacts, introduced by you, video looks better than Super 8. Figures.

[@ReelFilm2016]

Thanks for your comments. Yes, people have commented on the interlaced issue a number times now. I was still quite new to this type of editing at the time and didn’t know how to de-interlace the clip. Appreciate you dropping by.

[@nathanisdank]

Mini dv has some tremendously washed out colors

[@ReelFilm2016]

Absolutely agree regarding the camera in this video. It was terrible. I sold it straight after.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

i thought the MiniDV looked the best of the 3

[@prebenjaeger]

In defence of Super8, that is a shit scanning

[@ReelFilm2016]

I actually really liked the scanning and still do. However, what I have found is that you can't totally rely on professionals to do a good job. Once I learnt how to colour correct / correct speed, I found I could often do a better job.

[@superskateboardingentertai9228]

HD looks fake

[@ReelFilm2016]

kado bedoer How so? I’m curious? Which video was your favourite?

[@superskateboardingentertai9228]

@@ReelFilm2016 like 8mm hi8 and mini DV. I have a big 55 inch HD TV at home and What I want to say is that Video and audio quality are the best, but somehow, I don't know if you feel it too. When you look at the HD video everything is unnaturally smooth. It's like our eye is not used to 60 frames.

[@ReelFilm2016]

kado bedoer I see. So for you, it doesn’t look like real life? I am a big fan of the lower frame formats. I am currently experimenting with 8mm. I am going to make a video of the the experience so look out for it in the future. Thanks for watching. If you like my content please spread the word and subscribe 😀

[@superskateboardingentertai9228]

@@ReelFilm2016 yep. I want buy some vhs-c hi8 camcorders abd start filming. 8mm is great but its also waaay too expensive.

[@ReelFilm2016]

kado bedoer Yes using film is expensive but that’s why I have made it a hobby. I can justify the spending then.

[@crosrod9111]

Full HD is so bored

[@ReelFilm2016]

I tend to agree. Thanks for stopping by

[@ghaziriderrider4574]

Kl

[@ReelFilm2016]

? What does that mean

[@kolektif5150]

mini dv look borat movie

[@ReelFilm2016]

Great Success 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 High five

[@agnezmo7085]

What camera do you use for the Mini DV?

[@ReelFilm2016]

Canon MD235. I just sold it to a friend of mine. Good little camera

[@christianpeganyee6860]

What model DV cam did you use?

[@ReelFilm2016]

christian p It was a Canon model. Not my first choice, but it was a reasonable price at the time. Are you looking for the exact model? If so, reply to this and I’ll check for you.

[@christianpeganyee6860]

@@ReelFilm2016 That would be so awesome if I could get the exact model info from you. It would be much appreciated!

[@ReelFilm2016]

christian p It was a Canon MD235 Mini DV

[@christianpeganyee6860]

@@ReelFilm2016 Thanks so much

[@ReelFilm2016]

christian p No problem.

[@SantiagoMonroy5]

What HD camera did you use?

[@ReelFilm2016]

YourTechGuy Hi there, thanks for watching and commenting. HD camera used was the Canon Legria HF R606. I purchased mine in Early 2016. These range of cameras are still on the market and are very reasonable in price. Picture quality for the price point is excellent in my opinion. The only thing it doesn’t have which was subsequently included in newer models is night vision.