A Conversation with Daniel Graves (Former Elder, Bethelite, Pioneer)

Catching up with Daniel Graves and getting a bit more backstory into his time as an elder, bethelite, and pioneer. Always nice to hear another success story after exiting a high control group!
Check out the following links:
The Liberati: www.theliberati.org
Daniel's TikTok: / danieltoddgraves
0:00 Intro
1:33 Background info
3:34 Being an elder
5:36 Life in Bethel
10:40 Working in the HID
18:33 CSA documents
21:26 CSA case at Bethel
25:52 Car accident at Bethel
30:20 Waking up
35:30 Meeting ExJWs
41:40 Rebuilding your social network
46:28 Results from telling your story
53:50 Forming The Liberati & TikTok
1:00:48 Life now
1:03:45 Message to people waking up
1:06:54 Message to friends & family

[@danielgraves4947]

Thanks for having me on the channel!

[@patriciajohnson2]

I was wondering if I could get more information on the woman who is an activist in Alaska.

[@patriciajohnson2]

Great interview by the way

[@irenegarcia3418]

Daniel I am not a jw I am spiritual but not really one religion or the other. I believe in our creator and Jesus Christ and believe our savior was born of the Virgin Mary so yes I love His mom too for for allowing us Our savior. I was raised Catholic but religion is man made. I writing to you bc I struggle the loss of a man I met he was a JW. I dearly loved him but his family did not like me because I was catholic. I tried studying with the jw group in Miami Florida but it was not enough for his family to accept me. They treated me horrible when I went to meet them and tried so very hard to please them. Ultimately this person choose them over me which I guess he had to do to the shunning. I pray he leaves that cult one day. I hope one day to speak to him not to regain that relationship just to be able to have closure. We did not. I went to Michigan to meet his family came home ended it and all he said was he did not want to hurt me or his family. I was heart broken. Never had I ever had anyone block me change the number or anything. I just don’t understand what is that behavior. He said he would be disfellowshipped??? God I pray he wakes up. He had a beautiful thing. We both found eachother after vovid took our long time spouses and a cult took our last chance away to be happy. So sad the story. Is Michigan high up there on witness he is from Mt Clemens MI. I am from Miami Florida. We met on a widows site. Had a normal relation when he came down to Florida but one time I went there destroyed everything. It’s been since July 22 still hurts dearly. My name is Irene. I sm glad you are ok and happy. Please do not go back to that religion. It destroys so many lives. Good luck my friend stSy well.

[@michelleiversen6293]

Loved listening to you ! So calming and sincere ! Actions speak loud love❤Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water just yet ! I’ve been out 20 yrs and I’m only recently exploring so calle apostate information! Adjusting to the real truth is a process ❤Xx

[@ritaalessi3515]

Very well done ❤ I remember seeing you at Warwick. Thank you for sharing your story.

[@madamecurious]

When I moved to Kentucky, I started to see clearly how culty this religion is. That helped me and my daughter to “wake up” and eventually leave! Daniel was in my neighbor congregation and he stood out to me, because of his friendly demeanor. I’m so glad he’s out of the cult as well!!

[@FinkBri]

I talked to Daniel for an hour on the phone a month ago. It’s nice to see who I was talking with. As a PIMO , I had to keep our conversation to myself and keep it secret. So happy to have you guys on my side, thank you!

[@Adriscreationsphotography]

I grew up being a witness too. I feel so much less judgmental right now and being open but setting boundaries still with people/friends. I consider myself spiritual. For the longest time I never posted on IG or FB because I felt traumatized being my true self. I always felt like I was walking on eggshells going to the meetings.

[@estherthorp1608]

I am a mother an grandmother I thank Jesus everyday for helping me leave because I would never choose a religion over my child or grandchild so I am so grateful for you telling me thank you

[@ajoseph8920]

Why are you thanking a jewish man who died 2500 years ago?

[@teresavega7750]

Hi I understand where you coming from I was there for almost 50 years. I would suggest you read the books of Mr Mauro Biglino. Iused to be very dedicated. I was never disfelloshiped. My ex-husband was for adultery. I faded away when I heard about the child abuse. I hope you keep going in your life. Please don't ever go back. You still young. I spent 3/4 of life in there. So I have decided whatever time I have left on this earth I want to use to love myself which I never did. It's horrible in there. Now I see the light. I don't belong to any church. I don't trust them.

[@tammyg8031]

Agreed. I wish you more continued happiness and freedom 💖. Watchtower is a very dangerous DOOMSDAY CULT. I am so glad that their are so many activists exposing this CULT.

[@teresavega7750]

@tammyg8031 thank you . I wish you happiness and peace in your life. A big hug from far away.

[@chirovandenbos2339]

Same here....i believe in God and Jezus but search in the truth....so difficult. I dont like the churches or people because i dont trust it..... I hope God will understand that

[@teresavega7750]

@chirovandenbos2339 meant to say the jew will tell he does not believe in jesus.. and that the jews blame the Cristian stealing their Bible from them. Which is true. The new testament was written for the jews. Why are we using it as ours?

[@MegaSacred123]

I’m sorry for your pain. My family is still very much JWS and that results in a lot of stuff I need to work with, understand and process. Best Wishes 🤍

[@wk2761]

This is a fantastic interview. Yes, you are showing JW's that we are not the evil, two horned beasts that WT describes. You are calm and well spoken. You are helping so many! Thank you for all you do!

[@ronhansen8471]

Who is we? Do you represent the two horned beast we call Briton and the USA?

[@compositioncompilation]

The nations are beasts. Daniels vision of the image is very relevant. Manna was daily..not to be stored overnight. World powers are mimicked as well as the political rulers.. Rev 16:13&14. Exactly as you just said 5 mins in.

[@Rosie-s04]

Thank You! I appreciate both of you, beautiful humans! I finally woke up 3 months ago, after 15 years in, trying to maintain my critical thinking and ignoring the red flags, WT teaches you to ignore your intuition… Once you are baptized, as a 15yo teenager in my case, thinking that you belong to a worldwide family, appreciate all the values, Bible principles… It is not easy to see the big picture and realize that the Watchtower is a lie, a high-control organization that manipulates and can cause so much damage to our psychology... and that in fact divides families, communities... It’s not going to be easy, but definitely worth it. I’m planning to just fade. I’m 29yo now, will go back to College… I’ll keep learning, expanding my consciousness, serve my community, enjoy my family and my freedom! Since I’m a child I’ve just been trying to live my best life. I’ve been learning a lot about History, Philosophy, Stoicism and more. Spirituality without religion 🙌🏼 Ya basta de tanta ignorancia! “I Am Grateful to Wake Up and Know I Have Another Chance” Greetings from New York ☺️

[@karenlsaunders]

Aww I understand completely. I have been left 6 months after being in 35yrs. I am starting to feel lots better and you will too 💓

[@coldbrew6104]

"divides families" Just curious, how do you compare this to Matthew 10:35?

[@suzannemoffitt137]

Congratulations you will feel a weight lift.

[@christinesotelo7655]

I was not born in JWs but the years we spent in it accelerated our young naive lives into what culminated into a “blowing apart” of our whole family and that included loss of friends when I was disfellowshipped and shunned for my doubts. It’s hard to believe now, that back in the 70’s I was so young and naive, we never heard of a Governing Body or an organization of any kind. It was simply: Jehovah says this or that. Period. WT was a “Society” and one would state it is not a religion but a way of life. Now, to realize it IS a huge Industry (Printing) or Organization like any “worldly” business Inc or Organization like Chain Nursing Homes or the Mortuary business or anything else just amazes me. It has nothing at all to do with God and yet people are willing to die for a Business. Amazing. 😢

[@tammyg8031]

Its really great to see such a great success story after leaving the JW CULT. Daniel's story is a great encouragement to anyone who's thinking about leaving a high controlled group like the Jehovah's Witnesses. Great Interview 👍.

[@felixvelo]

The organization will never back down from there stance regarding blood transfusion to the the fact that they would be sued out of existence. This stance has been and continues to be criminal.

[@ericthuesen1]

There’s a legal limit to “New Light”? 😮

[@keithburton3713]

Great interview !!! Hi Daniel so glad you got out of this evil cult . Now you can live a happy, moral, spiritual life without the watchtower. The organization is losing members in droves. Mostly due to shunning. I wouldn’t be surprised if new light comes out, and they do away with shunning.😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@christinesotelo7655]

Thank you SO much for addressing the Blood Issue. I have waited for years for someone to speak about this. I was already a former JW when I was bleeding to death and was ABLE to be save by blood transfusions. But while I was being transfused, the trauma of having been a JW and the memories of destruction by Jehovah if I dared save my life, haunted and emotionally hurt me. The good team of Medical Staff saw me through the tremendous fears and “guilt” I experienced mentally for daring to want to fight and live! When I WAS a JW, I was always concerned about the Blood Doctrine and secretly worked it out ahead of time with my children’s Pediatrician to get the Court Order necessary to override the Doctrine, despite Elders. Of course, I was later disfellowshipped and shunned and lost my loved ones at that time. However, I did go to hospitals and attempted to advocate by being a person who might talk Elders or families into ALLOWING a child to LIVE! But it was unfruitful as HIPA Act of course prevented Confidentiality to be breached. What I would love to see happen is for training to be given to Medical Staff on how to immediately handle the evil Blood Doctrine by making use of Emergency Immediate Court Orders(?)...I am not quite sure, maybe this is being done...but with all my heart and soul I thank you for speaking of this topic. The trauma and the horror of losing a life unnecessarily OR of saving the life only for the innocent to be shunned and fear destruction by that horrible god (the Governing Body) is insurmountable. Much love to your courage! ❤

[@BobsUruncle-dl7cs]

Know in your heart that you did not betray anything or anyone because the edict the Kingdom Halls were suppossed to follow was clear and direct and it only addressed consumption of uncooked animal blood or human blood this was due to health concerns, this edict was bastardized into a denial of life-saving blood transfusions, and this intentional bastardization was done to cover up undeniable truths written into the bible itself. So Friend, the Founders of the JWs did not forbid in any ways the life-saving transfusion of blood from one person to another person in any ways shapes or forms. They did not want anyone catching the bug we call cancer or consuming blood for kicks and giggles because there are proven narcotic and other effects from consuming blood.They conspired to hide the cancer truths and the adrenochrome truths.

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

Jesus sent all of you to preach about the JW's or satan sent all of you to preach about the JW's?????????

[@wendylu6939]

This puts a smile on my face.😊 Great conversation. So incouraging for an ex JW. That cult really leaves its mark, and it really causes a lot of changes for quite awhile, but boy does it ever feel great to get away for good.

[@prenticedarlington2720]

The world would be a better place were it filled with recovered ex-jws, like yourselves. Nice conversation.

[@keithcampbell720]

I absolutely LOVE DANIEL!!!!! One of the best guys on TikTok and overall and love the way he's presented himself and we needed him more than he knows

[@danielferrer8790]

This was such an incredible interview. Thank you both so much you are both so well spoken and have such fascinating stories to tell. I have been feeling very angry and confused lately. I left the borg almost 10 years ago but I don’t think I ever properly dealt with the trauma. I am learning so much from you two. Thank you sincerely.

[@Joeandfran]

Incidentally, Matt, your channel is the very first site I explored while mentally disconnecting myself from WT cult. My wife thankfully joined me! Thank you for the work you do! We go forward actively warning the public!

[@ronhansen8471]

You go forward actively warning the public about what? You all would have to know what the bible teaches and to speak the truth. People who leave the truth never learn what the bible teaches to know better.

[@karenlsaunders]

​@ronhansen8471 excuse me what would you know ? After being in the Borg for 35yrs and a regular pioneer. I have woken up and left 6 months ago. I have more bible knowledge exegetically now I don't have to use the watchtower bible aids which is full of their brainwashing doctrine. Even their new world bible has been changed in some instances and did you know that they still use the Scripture at John 1:1 from the Johannes Greber translation who was a spiritualist and consultant the spirit world for a Scriptural translation of the bible. His wife was a full on psychic medium who used to help him with his translation. The organisation credited him in the green bible. But in the 2013 silver bible although the GB use the same translation, they won't credit Johannes Greber. But they definitely use it and the definitely know who he is. They know exactly what they are doing

[@richbaker7187]

@@ronhansen8471 Warning people about trolls like yourself who attack those that leave your cult; the ones with enough courage to give up their entire socio-economic environment due to the oppression of the watchtower cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses. You know, that organization that relocates child molesters to a different congregation, rather than turning them into the police. You know, the organization that protects child molesters by telling the victims that they need 2 witnesses before they can take any action. I take it your are one of those cult trolls? Yes? You wouldn't know the Truth if He slapped you in the face. The Truth isn't an organization, it's a person. He told us He was the Truth, but I have NEVER heard a JW use that biblical term used in conjunction with Jesus Himself. A JW will never say "in Christ". The only time they get close is when they add the term "union with" between them. But hey, JWs are notorious for adding words to the Bible anyway; try reading Colossians 1:15-16 in ANY "other" bible. Pun intended.

[@rustanddust5524]

@@ronhansen8471may I ask what you mean when you say “leave the truth”? How do you personally go about determining what is true?

[@ronhansen8471]

@@rustanddust5524 (John 8:32) and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” And the apostle John, who by inspiration described events “in the Lord’s day,” envisioned ‘an angel flying in midheaven having everlasting good news to declare’-in effect, overseeing the global spread of the Kingdom message by Jehovah’s earthly servants.-Revelation 1:10; 14:6. The lords day began when Jesus Christ was inaugurated as king in 1914 Even though the bible was written for all people only a few will be given God's spirit required to understand it. It is all about the heart. (Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.

[@denishartley3828]

Superb interview, I can identify with your reasons for waking up. Very brave of you and totally the right decision. Life gets better and better once you are out!

[@kenmayo7974]

Two of the best Men I know and can call as a friend!

[@UKS12345]

I agree that all elders should report csa to authorities because it’s not only concerning protection to the cong but also to schools and community

[@eyesontheprize5]

Great interview. I appreciate both of you. Thank you for sharing your stories.

[@mcbrayerok]

Really enjoyed this conversation! Thanks to the both of you for sharing and caring enough to put this video out.

[@DY2784]

👋🏼Enjoy your perspective much. Thanks 👍🏼

[@christinesotelo7655]

Oh yes you are so right about life moving forward and the joy of having friends with differing opinions. Oh what a wonderful world!

[@Bonesinbloom]

Great interview, guys!

[@POMO1914]

Excellent interview Matt! Daniel - it was so nice to watch & hear your story. I am going to check out your website. Cheers!

[@joeseppi1584]

I really enjoyed your conversation Falling and Dan! Ex JW here who left because I now believe in evolution and feel that the leadership of the witnesses completely misrepresented the theory. After comming to that conclusion I could just never be a witness again. I was disfellowshiped and had every intention of returning, but now that is not the case.

[@gigiandino745]

Hi Matt, thanks for your email and for sharing your thoughts with me. I am still in the beginning stages and this video is super helpful ❤. You are the best! I will keep you updated as I continue to make progress in letting go of the JW personality. Daniel, I can't thank you enough for your sincere words of wisdoms and transparency in all you are doing. With much love and greatfull heart. Gigi

[@mebestlife888]

🌴🌺 I had came back and is a reactivated publisher. My one brother who works remotely with bethel has yet to call me. My mom calls me more since becoming active again. My point is Love is love and they preach this and it has no limitations. It doesn’t matter who you are or what you do or don’t do. They have proven to me the love they speak of is if you’re a JW. My children aren’t JW’s and I didn’t fully raise them to be in the organization and our Love is like no other. I will continue to pray for clarity. My mom hid my being molested from the elders. That was a big reason why I left and came back 30 years later to see if I could do this. Now I’m convinced I’m not crazy but very bright, intelligent and happy all the years without being molded into this if you answer at a meeting or preach you look better to all and more blessings will come. It’s a lot! Thank you for all your transparency ❤🙏

[@itsjustme6315]

Thank you both so much for this truly encouraging video! It helps this PIMO see there's light at the end of the tunnel! Both of your voices are so calm and easy to listen to. Thank you so much for all you're doing! THR Liberati is so needed! No doubt every state could benefit like minded ones to ESCAPE and THRIVE OUTSIDE OF THIS CULT!

[@moonsong9472]

Wow! What a fantastic and interesting interview. Appreciate your honesty and integrity. Great interview style demonstrated too. Well done and thank you to both of you. Greetings from Aus.

[@cultytalk]

What a nice, level-headed, kind person. Thank you both. Appreciate this very much.

[@rodywithers3536]

What an absolutely illuminating interview. Thank you guys. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@jeanniejewel2272]

The nine governing body members belong in prison due to all who have died from the man made no excepting blood rule. Thank you both for this informative video.

[@teedubb2010]

One thing I’ve learned in my search is that NO ONE is more obsessed with JWs more than EX-JWs

[@barbtwining7650]

Imagine I used to think that Bethel HLC had elders on there that were people acquainted with medicine, not just some guy who has as much knowledge about medicine as I do. What a bill of goods we were sold. It must have so difficult for him to do a job he was so ill equipped for.

[@cynthiacarey-will973]

The cult has brainwashed them so much they are afraid to trust anything. God is not like a cult. He shows love and gives us the freedom to choose him without man law. He is faithful and just

[@DY2784]

Great conversation/interview!👍🏼🥰

[@annakat3754]

I've had the opposite experience. Leaving caused me the absolute worst experience of my life. I hated it. The friendships I made outside of the truth were superficial and insincere. So I am a PIMO in many ways. There are things I don't like per say. But nothing is detrimental. Leaving for me was irrational. It didn't bring me happiness. It brought me more isolation than I ever felt in the org.

[@DavidMalenki]

I was like, why do I recognize this guy and his voice, til I scrolled and saw him with the mustache on Lloyd’s channel and it clicked lol. It’s so nice seeing these men who are just open, honest, mild mannered men, both of you, who aren’t crazy, angry, cynical people who just want to control others. Today my family found out that I want out and the way they flipped on me so easily and quickly was really a let down. I wasn’t surprised but I was disappointed. And the thing is, I’m not broken or depressed. I feel like I have my life ahead of me. They tell me I’m being controlled but I’ve never felt more free in my life. I asked my twin, ‘Is someone giving you permission as a grown man to grow your facial hair not control?’ No response lol. They’re told how to think and are so willing to immediately reject those who leave as untrustworthy “apostates” when we’re just regular people. Wow, I said we. Crazy

[@haan3549]

This was great!!! Thank you both!!

[@Sarah19604]

I appreciate your work on this channel. I have been talking with JW ladies that knocked on my door a few months ago. Your questions to ask them have been so helpful and I pray that these questions will put a stone in their shoes. I had no idea about their doctrine and your channel has been helpful in getting into the meat of their doctrine and what they believe that is different from historical Christianity. That “Bible study” book they use does not talk about their doctrines and I could imagine many people could be deceived by it because they use the same words that Christians use, but when pressed, you can see they have completely different understanding and definitions.

[@eyeswideopen8570]

Great interview!

[@dawnbehatin1224]

Nice interview ❤

[@michaelcorder1250]

Great Work!!!❤

[@jrojala]

Great interview, thanks for sharing

[@janethayes455]

I really enjoyed listening to your story. I’ve been out now for over 30 years after spending 15 years as a zealous publisher for the WTS. I’ve only just started watching uTube videos of ex Witnesses as I’m trying to help a very unhappy Witness break free. I was so fortunate in that I had a Damascus Road experience with Jesus Christ in February 1988 which catapulted me out of there faster than you can say ‘religious cult’. I just new that I knew that I knew that Jesus Christ was far more than the WTS claimed him to be. I’ve been a very happy Christian ever since and have had a great life. My old friends in the Org are still there with their children and grandchildren despite my efforts to reach them over the years. I’m so glad many people are leaving - I’m not surprised after learning of the ‘overlapping generations’ doctrine’. I’ve noticed too that they are becoming more ‘user friendly’ these days, singing about Jesus more and letting them dress more casually. Thank you for what you are doing to help people break free.

[@Digidab]

Like to hear this interview ..thank You !

[@XYZ-ft7vf]

Such an amazing and incredible conversation, and how trauma has been turned into a way to help others process the questions, the alienation and the soul searching that takes place continuously. ❤❤❤❤ to you all!!!

[@wardified8566]

Tremendous insight. These interviews and videos make the difference the world needs. Thank you!

[@sunnyeyes522]

I feel I heard your story in my nephew. He was not prepared. In order for you to learn the process I feel brung worldly then coming to the organization it more gratifying. Being raised in the organization id too robotin thing for ne.

[@user-sg1xh1xk5y]

Thanks for sharing ❤

[@kathiewalli8746]

Amazing video 🙏

[@cosmiclove2795]

You guys are so brave. Thanks for your generosity.

[@lorimckimmy6868]

One of the most kind, “approachable” videos on broaching the subject of the JW cult! ❤

[@KYYankey]

Just found your channel. Love it.

[@SueHagen1]

I know you guys both left because you were bright enough to see “the truth”. Many are not.

[@tibbles2647]

Thankyou both really enjoyed this interview. Just had to make the awful decision to go back to meetings. It’s for my wife she’s a pimo but I feel sorry for her going on her own to meetings and being asked stupid questions like ‘has your husband left you?. I love her and going to join her as a pimo. My pimi days are over for now😢😢

[@tibbles2647]

I mean my pomo days are over for now. These acrynins are confusing 😊

[@theoriginalwaterbaby]

Wow. Amazing. The intricacy and current relevance of Daniel's various Bethel experiences is wonderful! 🥰 Then ... to have covered so much personal transformation ground in only 2 or 2 1/2 years is blowing my mind - my head is almost literally exploding, trying to make sense of it! 😱 😳 Inspiring! 🎉 Thank you, both, for sharing this conversation with us. I relate to the Sanderson experiences, the reassignment tales, the growing sense that "this just ain't t right", as the org's focus and expressions became increasingly legalistic, illogical, and materialistic. 😢 The messages to ones struggling and to friends and family, what a great and thoughtful way to conclude. This is helping me now, and is a 💝 I hope to imitate someday. I have a hundred questions and comments ... which wiil be held back until another time lolll!! 😄

[@leticiaramirez7668]

Love you guys, thanks for sharing

[@daviddixon8778]

I was there in the Jarecz, booth, barber era. 1984-1995 I was there for ten years. and an elder. It was right after the Franz shakeup...

[@johnalexander4940]

They've Upgraded 😂 from Watched to Falling Tower. ❤

[@jovialbivouacker99]

I’m assuming HLC stands for Hospital Liaison Committee? I’ve been out of the cult since 1991 and have since had a surgery in which I was asked to sign a form in the event that I needed a blood transfusion. I remember signing the form with such a huge sense of freedom and an immense smile on my face!😊 It turns out that I did require 16 pints of blood! It’s been over ten years since my surgery, and I haven’t had any negative repercussions from the transfusion. Thank you for this informative video. Hopefully, more people will wake up to the destructive nature of the Watchtower Cult! I wonder how much sooner I would have exited the cult if I would have had KZbin and social media?🤔

[@kenmayo7974]

You are correct

[@ritaalessi3515]

I remember him 😊

[@PerpetuallyTori]

My mother is a JW. I grew up in it, but I did not become one. My mother has an elder from her congregation as her medical power of attorney. She barely knows this man. I, her daughter, am a registered nurse. Yet, she has a stranger elected to make choices regarding her survival if she’s unable to make decisions. When I asked her why she would not have me as her MPOA, she said, “He would make sure they wouldn’t give me blood, and I don’t know if you would do that.” 😳

[@reynagold]

I'm catholic trying to understand why my stepdaughter joined JW. It's confusing when you refer to things as letters like csa, hc etc. But thanks for sharing your story. Gave me lots of insight on how JW works.

[@rodriguez6196]

It's true Christianity, Jehovah's people are the only religion on earth that follows what the Bible teaches. Catholics are part of alse religion and they go against what the Bible teaches.

[@michelleiversen6293]

What a beautiful soul love❤

[@TheAlyssa21marie]

Pausing at 40:50 to say THANK YOU for putting into words how I feel

[@simplifiedlife8607]

I enjoyed the interview. I was in for 45 years, so glad to be out. I am surprised so many ex-jw's turn to Athiesm/agnosticism, but can understand being disillusioned after being in the jw cult. I'm grateful to have discovered Christian universalism (ultimate reconciliation), biblical allegory, and the Creator's gradual revealing of himself.

[@robertmardis2110]

Same for me....I never lost my faith in Christ....I finally feel I have a relationship with him

[@Sportliveonline]

The idea that an elder has a special pedigree or special knowledge is a fallacy

[@TheAlyssa21marie]

I relate to the grieving/anger process that comes from “waking up “

[@kathryna6370]

It’s interesting that your in-laws encouraged your wife to separate from you. They don’t even encourage separation of women being abused. I’m glad you’re out!

[@sallydobrinski7648]

I just found your channel , i grew up jw, and was extremely abused by my witness stepfather who was an elder annnd a member of the anointed. I feel so weird seeing another jw who nolonger is one. My mother was disfellowshipped for leaving an abusive husband and the congregation stuck by him. Grrrr

[@sallydobrinski7648]

Oh and I'm from Australia

[@jennaeoconnor4910]

This video blew my mind. I left 27 years ago in a crisis state and was very alone (This was before social media😂). I tenderly navigated a life created from scratch at 21, with zero support or history or practical life knowledge, having been raised in that weird toxic bubble. At 47 I am just now revisiting what happened. People ask me what it was like being raised a JW or leaving it, and I have honestly never had the words to express the trauma. You are both so articulate and well spoken. You explain everything so clearly. Thank you for sharing. I’m not on social media because it’s been my only way to ‘punish’ those JWs who hurt me. My feeling is that, I’m dead to them, so I’m not going to post my life publicly for them to creep through. They don’t deserve to know me. If you have a way to reach out to me that doesn’t involve FB or X or Insta… please do.

[@TheFallingTower]

Not sure if this was directed to Daniel or myself, but you can shoot me an email at [e-mail]

[@Descobridor00]

Have you read the book by Raymond Franz, former member of the governing body? The book is called: Crisis of conscience.

[@Angell_Lee]

Thank you so much, amazing interview and host! I've checked out Liberati and I couldn't find the section to Donate/Support, is that available for us to do so? Would gladly like to support :)

[@LearningToFly1000]

Amazing person! Fallen in love with his pure honesty. Any socials ww can follow Daniel ?

[@yaelisme]

I’m just curious to know what you do believe in now? Thank you.

[@alexintheabstract]

Great interview with two of my favorite “brothers” 😅🫶🏻

[@andreabergin3959]

Daniel, are you related to Mike and Judy Graves in KY? I was a childhood friend of Judy, and spent a lot of visiting time with her around Brooklyn Bethel just before I became a Christian and was disfellowshipped in 1974.

[@chewonthis...]

I'm curious, it seems most of you that have faded or disassociated, seem to end up being agnostic. I was disfellowshipped way back in 1983, but I've always maintained that there is a God and his name is Jehovah. So, where does that leave me in the mix? My associations are all non-JWs and I am not affiliated with any other religion. I still do not except blood when I undergo surgery.

[@jenniferm6141]

Try looking on JW facts about the blood . It may save your life .

[@missdonner1271]

they abandoned me....what a shock! lol....i still believe in jehovah, jesus and the holy spirit as taught by the jws....but i dont believe in the org...anymore.....i look at world events and i believe the end is coming as the bible states....i dont believe they are the channel being used to guide anyone.....Jehovah knows who everyone is .....He knows the score on everything and will provide justice for us.....he doesnt need them as His middlemen.....

[@molalivapulu5515]

Another valid point you've raised. I still believe there is a Creator Jehovah, son of God Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. I don't belong to a religion, but I am a spiritual person. Protecting my well being by filtering out the info I listen to. Love is love. I still would not accept blood (evidence based)

[@mdf1958]

boggles my mind how you can believe in a creator then swap that for evolution.

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

Off topc so sorry, but may i ask everyone, where is our hosts accent from please? Its a wonderful accent!

[@Sportliveonline]

My question would be where does God come into all this controversy

[@1TheNews]

Oh yes, lawyers should definitely spend their time scanning documents.

[@joseph_miller]

The elders meetings are run by humans….of course the meetings seem “human”. Elders are human who makes mistakes and need to be adjusted. Just like all of us. Elders don’t get direct instructions from God.

[@PM-yc1rf]

Neither the GB.

[@Easydoesit101]

Just found you and New Subscriber, very Conversational and Informative, I was in the Cult from 1958, it’s my Mothers Religion after an abusive Marriage, we were Catholic my Mom studied and took the bait…I got Baptized in 1967, because the End was coming 1975…. I was PIMO, I meet a PIMO Girl and married now 50 years, I was an elder, I had a huge Disagreement with the CO, after Walking out on him over the 2 witness rule, what 5 year old girl getting F’d by a Witness, what other girl is witnessing it….after calling him every name in the Book….Free at Last, Free at Last. Get out of her my people….

[@estebanterrazas5324]

I am a therapist and if you men feel you need help. I would gladly assist pro bono.

[@ronwillan3179]

👍👍

[@Sportliveonline]

Most obvious question would be ~~# How do you know whats written in the Bible is true in the first place should be a presidence before you get in the fear cycle

[@jokich6379]

Apostasy can mean greater truth.

[@QuëstionšnÅňşwęŕż]

For a certainty records of individuals who have been accused of or been involved in sexual cases. I was pulled in the back room and was asked about my girl friend from over 20 years ago who was 16 years old. I was 18 at the time and she was my girlfriend. I was told they were looking to get rid of records and they just wanted to confirm there was no sex abuse of minor children which there wasn't. I also explained I had consent of her parents to date this girl. We dated for over a year. She eventually cheated on me and decided to go for a new guy. But yeah they pulled me in the back room and confessed there were records and they confirmed there were no actual sex abuse of minors and then they were going to delete those records.

[@compositioncompilation]

Thing is..l never realised gaps were there..and the reason for them. Ezekiels temple vision and John's too at rev 11...are very relevant. Rev 16:13&14 instructions being implemented to gather the opposing nations to Armageddon . (Includes use of lies.)

[@compositioncompilation]

Profound thought.. Those claiming to love a triune God yet go to war are liars..they cannot both claim to love God yet hate their brother..that makes them liars.

[@Sportliveonline]

As far as it depends on you go make peace with your brother Romans 12 v 18

[@stoobpendous]

What the hell does anthropology have to do with blood transfusions?

[@danielgraves4947]

The material I was required to read eventually lead me to articles by anthropologists regarding medical conditions and anthropological biology.

[@stoobpendous]

​@danielgraves4947 Wow. That's almost right up there with sending bethelites to Law School. If they're compelling you to get such in depth education, the GB is just asking for bethelites to wake up.

[@melanienolan1555]

I'm not sure if I heard him correctly but he said he is a Agnostic Athiest ? That would be very sad.

[@lovelysosweet8386]

I can see the connection with the hospital hides and help the tower the sex trafficking victims!

[@meln.4927]

Is it me or do these guys like the same person just in a different font? 😮😅

[@hjc5457]

Lucifer🤝Watchtower

[@MsFreedom62]

What exactly is "Bethel?" I'm not sure what this means. I know what the word Bethel means but when associated with JW I am confused. Thank you

[@rodriguez6196]

Bethel is headquarters of Jehovah's organization. It's where they make all the literature, videos , ECT