A Dangerous Opponent | F-16C Viper Vs F/A-18C Hornet Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@TheNamePi]

i remember you did this once and you responded to someone with gotta stay aerodynamic

[@FS2K4Pilot]

Have you tried using differential engine thrust on the F-14 to augment its yaw and roll authority?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I'm really enjoying the viper and the hornet, remember both are awesome BFM fighters as long as they stick to their own game plan. Thank you for watching and thank you sabre for helping with this video.

[@debbiestimac5175]

They were built for the same lightweight fighter competition for the USAF back in the day, YF-17 lost to the YF-16 and was later naval-ized into the Hornet. Imagine if the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels did an aerial combat competition instead of a flight demonstration, just once would be amazing! With Growling in a chase plane giving commentary. "The F-16 left his burner on in that dive, he's going to need to slow down to get back to corner speed! Yes, his airbrakes are out! He caught his mistake! But the Hornet seems to have had some sort of cobra button installed! Look at that nose authority!!!" 😁

[@nickharvey7233]

Always my two favourites - stemming from flying both on the Amiga game F/A-18 Interceptor back in 1990! Before your time, but if you want a giggle at how far flight sims have come since then, check out some footage on YT - revolutionary wireframe graphics for its day. Flying beneath the Golden Gate Bridge will always stay with me. Great vid, BTW. Cheers

[@chrisflynn372]

If the Hornet game plan is one-circle, what happens in a Fox-2 BFM fight between these two now?

[@johnnyboythepilot4098]

@@debbiestimac5175 That would actually be sick! Mock competition dogfighting with actual tactics and professional commentary on said tactics. Heck even with aerobatic prop planes that would be cool.

[@hoilst]

Re balance: "If you're in a fair fight, you didn't plan it properly..."

[@happyhaunter_5546]

"They are balanced in the sense that both can win if they fight their own fight" YES. More gamers should have this mindset...Maybe more people in general : )

[@aviationrambler]

Absolutely agree.

[@extrabingo10]

Especially in games like DCS and other simulators. They aren’t meant to be balanced, they’re made to be as realistic as possible

[@TheKusa5]

Unfortunately there's a ton of people who think like that, the pilot matters a helluva lot more than the plane.

[@AbsoluteyAmerican]

I agree, but again, it seems like his opponents don’t fight to the strengths of their plane. I often wonder if his opponents are above average fighters but don’t know the airplane they are in or they know the airplane but are average skill wise.

[@mro9466]

AK47 vs M4 in CS 1.6 True differences makes for a better challenge.

[@flightsimstuff5417]

"Balance is not what you want in a simulator" - thank you for that! Some don't get that. And they [the platforms] don't have to be 100% perfect replications of X - the performance should however be representative, as much as possible, and relative [to each other].

[@davegrenier1160]

I've watched you fly the Viper in the past and thought "The F-16 should be quicker and more agile than that." I recall that the aircraft was designed to be unstable (the computer keeps the nose facing forward) to facilitate maneuverability, and that its light weight was supposed to make it quick. My impression of the new mod - It's what I would expect based on the design philosophy of the aircraft.

[@ZigzagEnd]

yeah modern jets have flybywire systems that interpret the pilot's inputs, the rudder for instance makes the aircraft roll a bit, the flybywire prevents that by adjusting its roll to 0 if its not an input of the pilot

[@knightzing]

All fighter jets are designed tp be unstable and require some sort of fly-by-wire system to make use out of their instability. Instability allows for maneuverability, but requires computer assistance and could result in the aircraft altering other aerodynamic features, such as lift and drag.

[@DeeSnow97]

"a lot of people think the hornet might be a bit of a pushover when it comes to the viper, you just take it two-circle, etc, etc, it's not gonna be like that, the hornet is a formidable opponent" narrator: it was, in fact, like that

[@deadshot4245]

thank you Growling for doing all the work in showcasing the greatness of DCS World. Look forward to more and more.

[@AMG-316]

Me too!

[@levidotson6610]

I’d really like to see how the viper does in a fox 2 fight against something like a flanker or maybe even a mirage

[@jikemenkins7098]

Yes please!

[@JETZcorp]

Historically I would have given the other 2 the advantage due to the crazy pitch rate advantage. Now that the Viper has a Hail Mary pull option to compliment the 9X, I think it becomes a serious problem in the first turn.

[@i_kazik_i8835]

10:28 See those wings benting?😍

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

wing flex is so beautiful.

[@montrose699]

thank you for the balance comment - many of us would leave DCS if it became more about balance and game like. Its a simulator and we want as close to the actual flight model etc as we can get. Every airframe has advantages and disadvantages - know your airframe and know your enemy :) . the word balance in relation to DCS scares me as well

[@AMG-316]

Actual flight characteristics and actual fox's that each platform use per country represented is what makes DCS the best. Pure reality for fighter nerds! 🤓 👍

[@techsing3037]

Since I can remember I have been a huge fan of fighter aircraft and have been enjoying DCS for several years. The insight and attention to detail you provide in your videos is greatly appreciated. I own several DCS modules including the F14 since its release and have been thinking about purchasing the F-16 for several months. I think your most recent line of videos focusing on the Viper’s updated flight model has provided the straw…. Thank You! On a side note, as I’m sure you and most of this channel’s fans know, the USAF Thunderbirds tour has recently kicked off. (Tour schedule is available online) I hit their show last year and their redesigned routine is POWERFUL and awe-inspiring. This year I’m once again praying for good weather for either their New Windsor NY or Avoca PA shows. Stay safe….

[@siliconavatar8218]

I saw them in my home town! It was awesome, and very loud.

[@s.anthonyulibarri2488]

Thank you GS for the videos you share. In a past video or two, I believe you alternate aircraft between matches. I truly enjoy those types to get a sense of how you adjust to the aircraft you had just flown. It would have been interesting to see you pilot the Hornet in the second match after your victory in the Viper in the first. You did say, "that these aircraft are balanced in that they can win if they fight their own fight." If anyone can pilot an aircraft in validation of this, it is you. Well, until you think everything is okay right before a missile strikes you in true GS fashion. Thank you again!

[@kyleshape8645]

I've heard Falcon vs Hornet fights described as a "knife fight in a phone booth". It's about who gets stabbed first.

[@JeremyMcMillan]

6:28 NICE DEAD-STICK DEFLECTION SHOT! High-aspect, but nice concentration of firepower from a low-G guns solution.

[@OTOss8]

This is cool. I'd have liked to have seen you two switch planes for two more encounters.

[@yaseen157]

I'd be really curious to see a fight like this or the last one, but with you in the seat of the non F-16, so we can get to see how one might defend against a viper

[@avramnovorra]

i saw someone else already say this but i would love to see how you'd take say the F-14 and show us how to defend against the improved Viper, or any similar underdog aircraft.. i feel that would be tremendously helpful ;)

[@codychild2665]

"That was the cleanest gun kill, I think, ever".....agreed! 💪

[@GrumpyNCO]

You got sponsored by manscaped. You made it. Congratulations.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man, feeling blessed for sure.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Not the first time :)

[@EGLately]

I love the sad music when he kills another plane. In Remembrance of the hornet.

[@chefboyarb]

Bought the f16 this morning and used your discount ! Not sure if that helps you but it helped me haha. Good vids

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

It certainly does help me thank you for your support. Hope you enjoy the f16 she’s a beaut.

[@clementgramail9455]

I'd like to see the F16 against the mirage now !

[@ericm0612]

Your music gives a lot of respect to what's happening here and what it means.

[@PappyGunn]

In real life, years ago, the Green Mountain Boys used to take their F-16s up to Bagotville regularly to do DACT with the Hornets there. I understand they were a handful for each other, great rivalry. The pilots would try to milk every ounce of advantage they could, even wanting to remove pylons to gain that 0.00000001% edge.

[@Maverick_Marik]

Thanks for this video bro. I think the most amazing dogfights are between the F-16c, F-18c, F-14d, F-22a, JF-17, Mirage, Rafale, SU-30, SU-33 and SU-35. These fighters are the best in maneuver combat.

[@Brentfindley]

"oops made him crash into the city there my bad" that was a good laugh

[@GeekAboutPortal]

Best combat simulator! The dogfights can be so much realistic but some aircrafts need a lot of work.

[@FD1CE]

Of course people here want to see you fight against a Viper in the Hornet. So there is the next video!

[@thodorisvlastos6304]

Great video as always . Now that the viper is updated I think we need to see an f-15 vs viper ... maybe fly both and see how they perform against eachother

[@Curlycopper]

I have been loving the improvements they made on the viper flight model

[@roijoi6963]

Watched an AH-64 Apache video of yours the other day, and now this, and have to say, Apache is me before I have my first cup of coffee, and Viper after about my 6th cup of the morning. To each his own to be sure, but the difference in pace of operation is striking.

[@glynns1]

I love the fights but Fox-2’s would have made this a little more interesting. Hopefully in a future one we can see that with the improved performance.

[@Fatal_Inertia]

Viper was a problem for the hornet before the update, now its just ez

[@probablyjay3449]

Absolutely amazing! Both you, and the game.

[@ChasingRaven]

So this fight is the definition of its not the plane. Its the pilot.

[@fmiro66]

I got so unnecessarily mad before bed at that balanced comment lol

[@navyrayne]

I mean, you say the hornet can kill the viper... and yet it didn't lol

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

hornet can kill viper if you fight its fight, which I did not.

[@navyrayne]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Well, it's the only modern jet module I have for DCS so some times I worry that I wont ever get good enough with it. Good vid tho GS.

[@drakeblau6364]

I never have any idea of what is going on or what you're saying in these videos but it's very entertaining

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I think a lot of people on this channel started out like that, over time you will pick it up.

[@flightkimulator3113]

Thank you for doing this!

[@speedkiller3026]

4:22 how do you get no g effect(blackout) at all??? when i get even close to 9 g my dude starts to pass out

[@roijoi6963]

Viper's TRT = 26.6 at 16:00 with TAS of 222 is WOW impressive. Super fun to watch the Viper "doing work" these days.

[@blahblahblah23424]

Seconding that it would be cool to see how the viper does in a HOBS fox-2 fight vs a dominant 1C fighter like a hornet or mirage.

[@jamesd4013]

Great video. Thanks for flying OPFOR Sabre!

[@scottlynch1411]

Hey Growling! Thanks for saying what you did about balance. I couldn't agree me.

[@brendan-tn6pd]

Everything is realistic but the thrust to weight ratio

[@YuFow]

Would love to see some VR dogfights! Awesome video as always btw

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

7:53 damn, RIP!

[@ingoos]

All that's needed now is the sim in a centrifuge.

[@jeremycaufield8605]

If the Raptors true capabilities were represented in game the only one having fun would be the Raptor pilot.

[@Devarian24]

That’s my old unit’s F-18. I’ve seen it in a few of your videos. I wish I could play this in one of my old planes!

[@iantv1049]

Great video I needed this

[@KillerKev1961]

Wow that was great! Fantastic gunfights.

[@rabbahhagri1493]

I’d like to see you in the Hornet vs the fixed Viper

[@ka199702]

Would like to see a Viper vs Super Hornet match up

[@aek00001]

And I can't even get behind a Mig19's tail with my F16

[@zahnatom]

I'm very happy about ED's Trial Licenses. Giving me the option of trying out the viper rn and its pretty cool ngl.

[@DanceOnMilky]

Whats the Piano song at the end Growling? Its stunning! 😮

[@cloudforest4087]

Perfectly placed shot I agree. Very Dramatic.

[@FinFunnel68]

I'm convinced that Growling Sidewinder also does commentary narratives of the youtube channel Darkdocs.....

[@KnightItshorts]

Im thinking from going from the f 15 to the f 16 or f 18 to do long range encounters and im thinking of only getting one which one would you reccomend? Basically for spotting on radar easily and farther away

[@RaderizDorret]

Makes sense that the Hornet would be an excellent dogfighter. Its ancestor is the YF-17 Cobra which in turn was derived from the F-5 family.

[@wiliamcowger7938]

It is pretty amazing to me that an aircraft conceived in the 1970's is still so dangerous

[@Tbonyandsteak]

a perfect design is timeless

[@LogieT2K]

A conflict in my heart here, my two favourites but, if i have to pick im going viper

[@caiuspostumiusturrinus1024]

How come nobody does operations at night?

[@DeetexSeraphine]

Here, have a thumb and a comment. "The real world doesn't care about balance" is I think the most important thing I've heard all year, and I wish more powerful people than me would pay heed to that.

[@TheCrnic]

We are not going to get that F-4 vs A-4 dogfight anytime soon :)

[@Mike_Romeo]

Correct because we dont have a F-4 for this sim yet

[@loganh0463]

fight the Eurofighter with the f16 i think it would be an interesting fight

[@Noisy_Cricket]

Lol, I just got the joke with Manscaped's logo.

[@Mobius118]

The one thing I have to say to people who want balance in DCS: *Go play War Thunder* It's set up so its SUPPOSEDLY balanced while letting the players THINK it's a simulator. It's a fun game, so I definitely wouldn't suggest staying here if you want "balance" in DCS

[@CNSFX]

I think we need a Mirage v F-16 video next…

[@jikemenkins7098]

Fuckin awesome vid GS! Viper is just so damn sexy. Thank you Sabre for coming out to fly for us!

[@TealJosh]

Hek yeah. Been waiting for this one after the update

[@oddy1637]

How does a Hornet eat a Viper alive??.... oh Wait.

[@Marcin79W]

Maybe F16 vs Mirage at some point? Guns only, please.

[@001barca]

I think the difference is also made by growling sidewinder being so good at this game. At slower speed maneuverability, hornet would always win, at high speeds, the F-16 has the advantage

[@davidblaze8847]

when is the f-16 not at high speeds tho

[@edwardlujan1325]

F16 has always been my favorite multi role

[@digitaldyslexia7589]

Time for an F14 F16 ratefight

[@Mako2-1]

I’d love to see you try that overlapping two circle in the hornet vs the new viper

[@stevebarnett5677]

well , I can afford one of these 2 planes in the next sale , and still cannot decide which , but leaning toward the 18 just because it can do anti ship at longer ranges. great video.

[@h4c1k07]

Well Its all about what you want but my advice is take the one wich you like more dont care about performance just take what you like not what Is stronger

[@rpersen]

I have the hornet, really enjoy it. But I’m also gonna buy the viper.

[@AlexTunstall]

Assuming you're on DCS standalone, not steam, you can access all modules on DCS in a "trial" for 14 days, completely free. You redeem each module individually, so I'd try the hornet for 14 days, then after that's up try the viper. Then decide

[@PappyGunn]

Get both. OK seriously, get the 18 first. More complete and mature as sims go. It can employ an obscene amount of different weapons AND you can use it on a carrier if you get bored of 10,000 feet runways. I tell ya, operating off a carrier is a hoot. When the F16 is more complete, buy it later.

[@Illopportunity248]

Screw both, take the MIG 21

[@justinpridham7919]

Hey yo GS! Do you have a best kills video? Something like your greatest hits? I liked the moments of death vid, just wondering if you have plans or any other compilation vids.

[@MusicSoundPlayer]

Please recreate the Dunkirk film dogfights and show the tacview so I can lmao

[@gabrielchad447]

Viper vs Mirage?

[@squidwardtentacles8408]

Song at 7:38?

[@holdmybeast6559]

I wonder how it now compares to the f22

[@darren.s3404]

It's time to pit the f16 against da Jeff my dud

[@okuu_utsuho]

Now I want to get DCS because of you.

[@Akis_101]

It would be great to see F16 Viper vs Rafale...

[@rupayanbandyopadhyay3578]

Do make a video of the improved Viper taking on an F15 or F22. Both great one circle fighters and would love to see how they would hold up againt the new Viper.

[@miranda.cooper]

13:40 INCREASE THE CHEESE!

[@CalvinMaclure]

... much to learn, I have

[@rabbahhagri1493]

I’d like to see you in the Hornet vs the fixed Viper.

[@RWds24]

Wanting to get back into dcs. What’s the best way to het good and improve on bvr. The people I flew with don’t fly anymore so I drifted away too 😢

[@gundamator4709]

So a question, as I understand it if your fighting a 1 circler like the hornet you want them on the deck so you can force the 2 circle. How should you go about getting them to the deck, because as I understand it, if you get into the 1 circle while they have altitude your very much dead. I saw you did a split s in the first fight which is one tatic, but Id assume normally you'd stay in the 2 circle and let them drop the fight down when they need to get speed?

[@iceyibis4876]

Ok so I know it’s a game but it’s also a simulator, so I don’t really think it matters if the game is balanced as it’s meant to be realistic and in real situations like we see in the game battles aren’t balanced.

[@leohard1814]

Does the low or high yoyo have a place in jets? I abuse it in Il2 with pretty good success most of the time and ivr never seen you do it

[@brandonmclaren1709]

It’s not about the planes being ‘balanced’? It all comes down to who is actually flying the aircraft

[@bradhines5742]

Do a video with the Tornado, would be very cool to see it being there was an interceptor variant

[@Mike_Romeo]

There is sadly no Tornado for this simulator

[@onderwerper]

hi g.s i like your videos, i was watching your video and was wondering if there is a dog fighting protocol over a city ?

[@CNCTEMATIC]

This is the type of video concept - "how will the revised Viper do against the Hornet?"- where I'd really like to see you take turns in each aircraft.

[@michaelpietras7374]

So what is the Viper's new optimum cornering speed since the update to the flight model?