The Best Dogfighter ? | F-16C Viper Vs YF-23 Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@GeneralPadron]

Apparently, DCS doesn't know the capabilities of the YF-23 Widowmaker.

[@firebald2915]

"It's not the plane, it's the ejection seat." - Martin-Baker

[@Sajuuk]

The YF23, the F22's bane.

[@yuuzyerbrejn9603]

We once watched an F-16 Viper demo pilot do a 350 knot 9g circle WITHIN the forest boundaries of the runways of the local airport in Florida- Titusville in this case. I couldn't freakin believe it!

[@Old666B17]

you know id really like to see how you woulf fly the YF23

[@jbc242424]

I want to see YOU in that YF-23!

[@EB-Ghost6]

bro probably just foretold the future

[@_vortech_]

YAS!!!!!!

[@AdRxElite]

Generally these modded aircraft tend not to have fleshed out interiors and are otherwise pretty barebones and GS has a history of staying away from that for the most part.

[@_vortech_]

@AdRxElite I did not know that. So, all we need is for someone to 3D build a cockpit and to have the avionics written up for each system.

[@drewparcel1727]

I have been hoping to see GS in the black widow every time I see a video dropped that features it. Now I just see it at a running joke. How many videos will GS drop of the f23 where he doesn’t even fly it. I’ve heard that many mods will use cockpits out of other jets and I would be willing to look past that.

[@manzelli1981]

I love these head to heads against Toxic. Dude can fight.

[@NoName-yl1js]

who is toxic? im always curious about this guy bcs he seems like a worthy opponent for gs

[@ghostrowbot3189]

Came here to say the same dude can fly.

[@FuzedBox]

That Br3aker7 guy he fought against yesterday was really, really good and he seemed to know exactly how GS's mind works. He was a scary opponent that I'd like to see more of.

[@otterconnor942]

It would be hilarious if toxic was using a Xbox controller to beat GS

[@spilledmilkgamingYT]

@@otterconnor942turns out it was actually a wheel the whole time

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

Yf23 is such a scary but beautiful looking bird.

[@maximan4363]

I love the YF-23!!! It should have won against the YF-22, both are utterly outstanding!!!! Yep the unloaded F-16 is an amazing dogfighter - it's what it was made for!! What NGAS can do will be fecking scary!!!

[@benn454]

At least you got revenge for the headshots by making Toxic eject straight into the ground in the last round.

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

It's cool to see the cannon shells exploding on the ground as GS "walks" his stream of 20mm into the YF-23. Such great details the programmers accomplished in this sim.

[@earlwoody777]

I love you when you get a cockpit shot your voice cuts out too, makes it all the more funny lmao. Love you GS

[@hkguitar1984]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="474">7:54</a>, Civilian Potato Cam? I Like it!

[@SM-qo9gr]

GS be like "im chasing his tail" WHILE HAVING BANDIT ON HIS TAIL!😂

[@noahhastings6145]

"I'm 350° off his tail!"

[@firebald2915]

Thanks for the ground view video camera work on the Round 2 kill shot, GS. F16 has my heart.

[@kugelblitzkrieg]

Love that image you put up for the 1 circle, definitely would be useful for people who don’t know much about dogfighting. The camera shot was awesome too!

[@hanrockabrand95]

The recent update also makes grass wave in the jetwash behind the runway. It looks so cool

[@raz4371]

Trees also flex when explosions go off near them

[@hanrockabrand95]

@@raz4371 As do I when they go off near me 💪

[@nicomeier8098]

If I recollect correctly, the YF23 had better IR stealth and radar stealth, as well as higher super cruise and more range then the YF22, but was more an interceptor then a dog fighter.

[@Xenomorphine]

Also had at least one fatal flaw. Plus, the USAF was not happy about Northrop's dodgy behaviour, regarding B-2 funds.

[@recoilrob324]

IIRC the YF-23 did not have a functioning weapons bay and could not launch missiles as the YF-22 had already done....and there was a lot of concern that the fuselage structure would be compromised when the weapons bay was cut out. The composite structure was still experimental where the YF-22 made of proven materials and techniques....the AF likes 'Evolutionary' rather than 'Revolutionary' aircraft designs that they can have high confidence they won't run into insurmountable issues during development.

[@baremetalmafia]

Do not be surprised if you notice huge similarities with the YF-23 and the NGAD when we finally see it.

[@Xenomorphine]

@@baremetalmafia Why would there be? It's obsolete technology. Northrop isn't known to have won the NGAD contract, either. Any similarities would be superficial and cosmetic, at absolute best.

[@davidgeorge5531]

Just went to the Air Force museum in Dayton. They have a YF-23 it is so amazing

[@DeeSnow97]

the F-16 is such an amazing aircraft. looks like with no blunders in this match-up it should win every time, but the YF-23 is so unforgiving, it really demands the same respect as the F-22

[@viktorbihar5384]

I like how the 2 circle fight is visualized with the 2 best 2 circle fighters, the F-16 and the Mig 29, very cool.

[@utuberick1]

Great idea to graphically show what a 2 circle vs. a 1 circle fight is. Very helpful. Thank you!

[@MrErictank]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="122">2:2</a> with a fifth-Gen, not too shabby at all. That third-round clip from aft of the -23 as he shot you down was GORGEOUS, though. Such a beautiful fighter.

[@realitysux_0128]

The YF-23 looks like a sugar glider in mid-flight from certain aspects

[@rocketpunchgo1]

You know it's going to be a good fight when Toxic is at the stick.

[@Bobo_Plantain]

"5th generation pilot face targeting system." LOL!! 😆🤣😆

[@_vortech_]

Thank you for doing my request. I was not really expecting this would happen. It would be interesting to see how you would manage the fight if you were in the YF-23 though. Pretty sure you'll come out on top each round.

[@Lew_in_Renton]

LOVE the red and blue descriptions of circle fighting! Thanks!

[@confuse3671]

Reality - the F23 RCS from all aspects was so low that your RADAR gun sight would have troubles keeping him locked. Think about about that for a while.

[@MTEditz]

Thats the purpose of the dynamic gun funnel. If you don't have lock then you put the tips of each wing in the funnel and shoot. Same results, just takes a little more skill. Also not how rcs works. Once you're WVR the RCS is so close that any capable plane can get a lock. They'll just lose the lock frequently during the maneuvers.

[@Someth1n_]

Not when ur eyes can see it lol stealth fighter not invisible fighter

[@themanhimself6696]

@@Someth1n_ He wasn't talking about the stealth, he was talking about ground interference.

[@luckyno888]

YF-23 looks like the deadliest flying squirrel.

[@mattbowe5618]

The 1 and 2 circle graphics that you've added to the last couple of videos are helpful.

[@OutlawLotus]

I feel like your opponent has spent some time in the Black Widow II and mastering the unique quirks of its high lift body. The amount of ground effect such a flat belly can produce is absolutely uncanny, and there were a number of times you saw him take advantage of that. That's someone who really enjoys that plane and committed a lot of time to mastering it. That was a really entertaining fight between you two.

[@happysunk7142]

thank you for putting the 1-circle and 2-circle diagrams in the video, that's extremely helpful to see once in a while!

[@davidpalmer4184]

Good work GS, I love the YF-23. Imagine if they used variable thrust in the trials, they had already nailed speed, stealth and range for a stealth fighter, they just didn't have the maneuverability in close combat. Considering the Government wasn't looking for a dog fighter it is such a shame that they moved the goal posts.

[@dl6519]

The YF-23 has the outlawed hourglass on the bottom! GREAT detail!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

nice to see someone knows the story there and also noticed the detail.

[@dl6519]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Nice to see someone who can turn 'n' burn with a YF-23 in an F-16 and win half the time!

[@Delzona]

So cool to see aircraft when they are from bases that I was assigned to during my 26 years in the Air Force! Nice to see the Spangdahlem AB F-16 hold it's own against the YF-23.

[@GermanBlackSheep]

Love that replay camera overlay

[@ravstar52]

The easiest way I have to remember the difference between one and two circle is the number of planes in the circle. In a two circle, there are two planes doing a circle/orbit. In a one circle, there's one plane per circular orbit.

[@bradschumer173]

Yes!! more YF-23 content, please.

[@EnvyEclipse]

Small details like the camera filter makes GS vids so great haha great video brother

[@richardstoffel6585]

I was at Edward’s when the real yf-23 was up flying with f-16’s as chase … good times.

[@libertylivesin1776]

That was some slick maneuvering before the first ending.

[@commandergeokam2868]

That camera effects on <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="480">8:00</a> + mins were golden if can use them again do it even in black and white with older aircraft

[@alexhunt2322]

The “from the ground” perspective is pretty cool! Would love to see more shots like that!

[@firebald2915]

That last flare in the f16 shoot down was your soul leaving the cockpit.

[@TheGoddamnBacon]

The Popcorn Cam in the second duel was a nice touch.

[@Bumblebee7113]

Hey GS, if you have time in a video, could you talk about the different HUDs in different fighters? I find sometimes it's hard to follow which reticle is which when looking at the HUDs.

[@zevermoon]

YF-22 is weird because it's a 2 circle vertical fighter similar to a F-15. You always want a height advantage. If you get in trouble you want to reverse into a high altitude climb followed by a roll over dive onto the bandit. It's a weird aircraft it doesn't have the thrust vector to one circle fight.

[@gwenthor]

I'm really looking forward to seeing you in the cockpit of the YF-23.

[@iTzNexXuS]

This makes me want to see a dogfight between the YF-23 and the Su-47

[@CarsonMiller-Raven-7]

That camera effect was really cool, I would love to see that again! Also again amazing video GS.

[@311Bob]

3 rounds switch planes each round to eliminate plane advantage and showcase pilot skill.pilots start with their favorite and end in their favorite

[@harveycasey1900]

That f23 looks like a flying squirrel

[@mbarnlund]

It would be nice to have an explainer video on how to interpret ‘the funnel’ & related HUD indicators, when gunning a bandit. Great content as always!

[@Krommer1000]

Liked the new "Kill Cam".

[@PhillipChalabi]

I like the Raptor, I really do. But it was a travesty that the 22 won that competition.

[@baileyparadis1815]

Each prototype had pros and cons, but ultimately Lockheed made a better show of the aircraft by including more "production" subsystems than NG. So ultimately the YF-22 seemed a more fleshed out and less risky product. Have to realize that the F-22A as produced could walk circles around either prototype too.

[@raideurng2508]

Those all moving tailfins are doing work.

[@The_Elder_Weeb]

It amazes me every time how good of a pilot you are!

[@erikcourtney1834]

The black widow is literally a multi jet powered leaf.

[@aytek98]

That reversal from YF-23 was so scary that I couldn’t help myself but scream. This thing is a sleeper.

[@airbuzzer3306]

Big thank you for bringing back the dogfight. I enjoy it very much ☺️

[@charlieoscar09]

One of the closest contests so far....Both very good piloting

[@dominicfemminineo4223]

The commonly understood reason why GS cuts his audio after he gets KIA is that it's for theatrical effect. In my head, the real reason is that he starts shouting a continuous barrage of obsenities until juuuuuuust before he turns the audio back on for the next round....

[@jf9458]

“Flying squirrel”

[@MidnightAspec]

Let’s see a Checkmate vs Black Widow showdown! 😁

[@donnieweston3249]

I must say I do love the Viet Nam era camo

[@SeaWasp]

The YF-23 must have been equipped with the war crime targeting pod, what with the pilot snipes! Maybe that was the clincher when it came down to which aircraft was chosen. Great fights!

[@MiJi_29]

It's interesting that the Pentagon preferred F-22 instead of Both. 2 Different Fighter Jet Roles with it's several advantages

[@JoeKier7]

Very cool that the YF-23 has the hour glass on the bottom!

[@georgewashing10]

The merge on fight 3 looks like it put you in an offset 2-circle, rather than an overlapping one.

[@joeldierker5982]

GS's been killed so many times by the 23 that I'm surprised he isn't developing arachnophobia...

How about the heaviest possible configuration for the F-16 versus the lightest possible configuration for the A-10 in a dogfight using just the machine gun?

[@isaacwest]

that's the first time i've seen GS take the pylons off the wings for better performance. yf-23 had him shook. :D

[@radioactive9861]

I believe it was Kelly Johnson, or somebody else famous in the 'modern aircraft world'(ie, familiar with current aircraft tech) who said: "the YF23 is still flying today, in some shape or form"... That could mean a lot of things(if true), such as: the military took some of the YF23 tech and put it into the F35, or the B21, or maybe NGAD...mytwocents

[@UpcycleShoesKai]

Man, the Rate Fight does work.

[@magiscichoam]

Outstanding ACM! The better Pilot prevailed (albeit barely). Bravo!

[@Mav09]

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 4

[@Archer89201]

The silhouette of the YF-23 looks like a guy in a wing suit from far

[@nielsbosmobile]

Great video again. I always enjoy them! Btw, can you load tracer rounds in the F16? It would make it even more exciting, seeing how much rounds are off-target? Thanks!

[@F23GreyGhost]

Always love to see the YF-23. Would love to see it vs the other lifting body, the Su-57 in a dogfight

[@HoHum321]

Nice little graphics for 1-circle and 2-circle. Got any showing what a split-S is?

[@1slotmech]

If we're going against Toxic, I always stay for the whole video. It's gonna be a good fight. 😂

[@vicroc4]

He certainly gives GS a struggle.

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

Regardless of anything else, the YF-23 is a beautiful looking aircraft!!

[@burhanilyas]

Fighter from 70's still ruling

[@Agul2001]

YF-23, a thing of beauty.

[@Tony-zp8xn]

That facial recognition sniping software in the YF-23 is rough...

[@christopherjpfaff8460]

great match up and fight, good laughs, amazing video, thank you!

[@pete79602]

if DCS has the f8 crusader that would be cool to see you fly it, the real last GUNFIGHTER

[@rorythurman7843]

That 23 is a thing of beauty

[@ScotsmanDougal]

"ejection, inverted, nto the ground ....." Isn't that your trick? haha

[@thejetfighter]

After those shots, now I know why the "Black Widow" name 😀

[@matthewjohnson6938]

Everyone say hi to the next best of deaths compilation vid

[@firebald2915]

Lately, all compliments to Martin-Baker ejection seats into the ground.

[@erikcourtney1834]

Why don’t you fly the f-23 or even the f35 a/b/c?

[@jasonvick55]

Very impressive fight!

[@steverichardson6920]

It would be interesting if the developers created a super YF 23 with vectored thrust just as a “what if” scenario just to see how good this platform could be 🤔

[@CruxG228]

For all these fights against thr Widow II, it seems it can keep up with the F-16 until you make it bleed all of its airspeed. If it retains that advantage though, you have a hell of a time clawing a good position back.

[@jasonblumenthal6560]

Why don't you ever use the Block 72 variant?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Not in the sim

[@law-abiding-criminal]

YF-23 against the F-22 in a dogfight would be the cleanest best pleasure.

[@geonerd]

I have a hard time telling which way that crazy thing is flying.

[@sana-cm7oc]

Great video. Excellent fight. Great job Toxic - makes for better video having 2 good pilots. F-22 with 3 F-35 vs Su-37 and 3 Su-47.

[@Dancing_Duck-sp8hq]

What’s the musical score in this dude’s vids?

[@m2drive839]

I didn't know that the green/brown camo of the f-16 was used by US. I thought only Israel were the only ones that used that camo. Round 4, the YF23 took the pilot out by ejecting.

[@JoshuaSeed]

For the future, B-21 with bays full of amraam or the new hypersonic AAM.

[@elijahprasad7884]

Next up: F-23 vs. F-18 Super Hornet

[@thepolishtech1552]

As a huge fan of the YF-23, i can't wait to see GS sit in the Black Widow's cockpit