A Deep Dive Analysis On The Yzerplan

After talking about the Wings a lot over the last month I decided to do a deep dive on Yzerman's tenure thus far and where they are at right now.

[@rbaki94]

More. Deep. Dives.

[@MikeBartner]

Takes a lotta time to write the script and edit them but imma aim for at least one a week!

[@HimmySnuggerud]

Maybe the Yzerplan was the terrible signings we made along the way

[@daveyusmc4863]

You will never have a perfect track record like Hall, and most of the signings are bridge players not planned for the future. Just to get you there. Once some of these signings fall off we will sign more significant players. Yzerman is a master mind and has improved every year minus the awful lottery positions. People are not patient enough.

[@nicktarnowski7069]

​@@daveyusmc4863Yzerman is not a mastermind lol

[@shatrod6000]

Bro what terrible.signings? We had to overpay to get people to come here and make us somewhat competitive. Those contracts literally did not matter. They will be gone by the time our youth is ready. Do you think kane and debrincate come here if we aren't somewhat competitive the answer is no. So I'll ask again what terrible signings?

[@jessecoonce1363]

​@@daveyusmc48634 & 5 year bridge deals? That seems a real long time to guarantee spots for placeholders while waiting on numerous top 10 picks to make the roster, especially with them being overpays on top if that term.

[@AceMatthew25414]

@JackNiles-hc8yz Chariot, Holl, Maatta, Copp, Compher, Husso and intentionally took on Petrys....All bad contracts in term and money.

[@dannik9932]

Good analysis. One thing to note is that Kasper had a bad start last season as he was coming off of an injury (broken kneecap) that he got in his NHL debut that April. This derailed his off-season and he was slow to start. He came on in the second half of the season and was arguably the best forward Grand Rapids had (Burgers and Mazur up there too) in the post season. He is currently tearing it up in camp and preseason this year and looks better than Joey V, Copp, and Compher down the middle. He deserves a spot and will likely surprise a lot of people. The problem is the veteran roster clog SY made at center.

[@DTA555.]

They were playing on the same line in the playoffs and they were the best line. Bergs is not going anywhere in the bottom six so he should be packaged in a trade to get Mazur and Kasper in the NHL and let Danielson get some AHL time and then bring him up, MBN should be in GR and not over seas.

[@GriffinSutherland]

You just looked at Johanssons and Wallinders point totals lmao, Albert is a seriously good defensive defenseman

[@lucasmountain3139]

Exactly, fantastic shutdown Dman in GR the last 2 years, and he’s looked solid in the preseason. He’s not gonna score much, but he’s a shutdown dman that would honestly mesh well with ASP. Wallinder was relatively sheltered with playing on the 3rd pairing with newpower and Didier. With Ed and AJ moving up, wallinder will be leading the defense. This year will be the year we can depict if he will amount to anything

[@chevelle1]

That’s the problem with so many fans that evaluate defensemen based on…offense, not defense. Defensive dmen routinely get dismissed by (mostly younger) fans. They don’t understand that you can’t win without them, especially in the playoffs. On that point, the Norris trophy needs to be for best defensive defenseman. That is the job of the position. Or have another trophy. The Norris always just goes to whoever has the most points essentially.

[@gocanuckurself1]

More videos like this about GM tenures, please! 🙏

[@MikeBartner]

Can do that!

[@gocanuckurself1]

@@MikeBartner 🫡

[@thewaterwarrior9817]

I believe you’re underestimating kasper

[@DTA555.]

I think the whole management and coaching is underestimated Kaspers talent he has a very great way at holding onto the puck and making plays and he goes to the net as well as the younger players also not shooting 60 feet away

[@workshoptelescope]

Kasper projects as a middle pack player. Stop with the copium.

[@Nfnf889]

Detroit not drafting Quinn Hughes while he was literally playing in the backyard at Michigan. Mind blowing

[@willsmithmachine5244]

The Red Wings and the Wild are in very similar positions right now: Middle of the pack, good prospect pools, but overpaid veterans & Buyouts are hindering them from being true playoff teams, but that will change soon. Next summer, Detroit has 20M in cap space and no big contracts that need to be signed. Detroit never had a chance to draft a gamebreaker with their lottery luck, but Kasper, Mazur, Danielson, Brandsegg-Nygård could turn into Lehkonen, Pinto, Lundell, Eriksson EK type players. Valuable players especially in the playoffs. Florida traded for Tkachuk and signed Bobrovsky, Vegas traded for Eichel, Carolina traded for Guentzel, Yzerman just needs to be aggressive when a top player becomes available.

[@chevelle1]

🎯 Books will probably be written about how Bill Zito created that Panthers team. Vast majority of that roster were/are players that other teams considered busts, partial busts, or picked off other teams trash heaps. He brings them in for cheap and they reach their potential and then some. I’ve never seen anything like it. Just go down the list since he started in FL.

[@davidkruse4030]

What free agent is going to be available?

[@zacmargolis1104]

I feel like the timeline Yzerman wants is to have a Cossa-Augustine tandem. By then Seider, Raymond, Ed, ASP, Danielson, Kasper, Buch, and whoever else is added to the build will become the core that makes them a frightening team

[@zacmargolis1104]

The bad signings or overly paid vets I see as space fillers waiting for the prospects to develop and not get rushed. also signing guys like who’ve won like compher, kane, and tarasenko can help mentor the younger guys. While also keeping the current team exciting and alive.

[@MikeBartner]

Yep

[@TheJimmyStDenisShow]

its gonna work theres no fuckin way that the wings will fire him

[@MikeBartner]

@@TheJimmyStDenisShow I agree he has another 2-3 years but he would get fired at some point even though he’s a legend

[@TheJimmyStDenisShow]

@@MikeBartner dudes gonna get the wings to the cup and the way the tigers r playing rn they’ll make a coaching change with Dan Campbell

[@bshafe087]

@@TheJimmyStDenisShowabsolutely delusional

[@codycassel8996]

@@TheJimmyStDenisShowto say he’s gonna take them to the cup is insane they flat out do not have good enough talent anywhere in the organization to seriously challenge for a cup

[@paulrietveld9837]

​@@TheJimmyStDenisShowAh found the delusional Wings fans that still refuses the believe that the "Yzerplan" may not work after all. It's beginning to look more and more like that might be the case year after year.

[@paveldatsyuk8268]

5:08 johansson just signed a 1 way contract and will be with the redwings this year. Most coaches in the ahl last year said he was better then edvinsson. definitely not a miss. berggren with the wings this year on a 1 way deal too 15:17 2nd half of last year chiarot was serviceable. Copp was dogshit all year and will continue to be dogshit until his contract expires 18:12 Holl played 38 games and had 5 points.. was healthy all year too. Chiarot was 10x the player holl was last year

[@ethanpike6767]

Had a few bad signings but overall I think it's working, seider statistically had the hardest match ups in the entire league among defenceman and it was even close compared to other #1 D

[@gavinmarion91]

Pretty solid video overall. 100% playoffs dont mean shit this year. lot of guys not on the team yet. Kasper, Danielson and Mazur all look NHL ready, but there's no room on the roster. You're definitely underrating Albert Johansson and Marco Kasper. Albert was probably GR's best defenseman last year. Thats from the players and coaches.. for Marco Kasper he started last year really bad. Probably getting use to smaller ice.. But in the second half he played very well and probably was GR's best player in the playoffs. Him or Carter Mazur. And Marco looks like a different player this preseason. He's much faster, looks bigger, better hands ext.. If anyone might be a "Brayden Point" type of drafted player, it would be Amadeus Lombardi. Kids very skilled, look at the goal he scored against penguin yesterday. Hopefully he can have a big year in GR.

[@aaronostashower491]

Love this form of video. Killed it man

[@MikeBartner]

Thanks Aaron!

[@sewerrat9086]

Detroit are in the have a shit ton of veterans that are overpaid phase of their rebuild. Their ownership would have to be stupid to fire Yzerman if they don't make the playoffs again. Sure he's made a few questionable deals the last couple years and the team isn't really that great on paper and I think that's probably the point. Trying to force success right now doesn't make any sense for where the team is at in the rebuild right now.

[@DTA555.]

Team needs to add the prospects that are ready they need NHL experience and the team is not going anywhere until SY starts playing them instead of adding players that teams don’t want.

[@DefectiveSquash]

I can't wait for Steve to get rid of Lalonde and hire 91. This team will be very reminiscent of Yzermans as a player. Theyll need some Shanahan type signs, and change coaches. The last half of Larkins career the wings will be competitive again, just like Steves.

[@davidkruse4030]

What are you talking about? First off Steve’s career was mostly competitive. Secondly why is the only way the wings are successful is retreading the old guard? I am not sure what fedorovs coaching style is but will it translate to thd nhl? Furthermore is he willing to leave Russia?

[@FastKarr19]

This is exactly how I have felt about the Red Wings, I’m actually very low on them like I think they already lost the rebuild. They got screwed out of top 3 picks, only really managed to get guys like Seider, Raymond, Larkin, who are all elite but not franchise altering players, have traded for a bunch of mid guys who won’t be part of the long term plan for some reason. Like to me the Red Wings are pretty much set to max out at like a team that never makes it past the 1st or 2nd round until they enter their next rebuild I think they genuinely just fucked it up due to bad luck bad signings bad trades

[@FastKarr19]

They’re gonna be the Minnesota Wild of the 2010s

[@davidkruse4030]

During their time in the lottery who was a franchise player that was drafted? Stuzzle?

[@markusk1015]

100% bro. We need to tank for top three picks

[@chevelle1]

Larkin will likely be past his prime when the Wings are true contenders again. This rebuild has problems. A lot of poor drafting and not sure how anyone can claim that this team is coming out of a rebuild when they don’t even have a true elite #1 center. We have 1 top two center and he’s a #2 on a cup contender. It’s a shame that Holland screwed this organization up so bad in his last 5 yrs. Instead of passing the torch like they did with Yzerman, Shanny, Lidstrom, etc to Zetterberg and Datsyuk and Kronwall, Those 3 didn’t really have anyone to pass the torch to besides Larkin. That’s something nobody talks about, but is a huge part of winning culture.

[@jamendailey7372]

love these types of videos

[@benzielke1350]

Detroit shooting pecentage will stay above league average every year until Lalonde isn’t here. Offensive system is built on high scoring opportunities not low ones.

[@krzysztofskowronski6549]

As a wings fan, i agree. I would much rather see our young guys play great then our old guys play great. I feel like the expectaions places on the wings this szn are not fair. They should have to make the playoffs this year. Obviously as a fan you want to see your team be good and make the playoffs. But we have to be patient with this team. Give em 2-3 years and i think we'll be in contention for a while.

[@paulrietveld9837]

Y'all said that 2-3 years ago.

[@RealMoneybags]

Great Vid Mike, I like that you are addressing the Wings and I respect your analysis. Can yzerman's 2019-2020 non first round drafting really be graded yet? Albert Johansson is just now getting this chance at the NHL level. I love the respect for buchelnikov, cant wait to see what he can do, but still yet to see NA ice. I think you mocked MBN to Detroit, nice one. I don't think the Redwings are trying to 'win now'. Yzerman has never said that and is even hesitant to say they are trying to make the playoffs. I like your perspective on the season being better if young guys excel and vets submarine, it is true we could use some more inner development. The wings still have more prospects than players, I agree we are at least 3-4 years from competing for a cup, but in the meantime yzerman is trying to field a competitive team.

[@MikeBartner]

@@RealMoneybags I think it’s fair to judge the 2019 guys at this point, 2020 maybe a tad but even Johansson has enough of a sample size where I don’t think he will be a serious impact guys. MBN and ASP will probably make or break the Yzerplan need one of those guys to hit big.

[@Septembersmith9633]

2 words stop gap. After going through their picks from 2021 onward this team never had much of a choice on how Yzerman approached the rebuild. Cossa despite the too many goalies debacle and having one year in echl he's performed just as well if not better than Wallstead. Yzermans weakness or lack of options the free agent market/signings. If you can see the potential of Kane, Holl, Copp, Petry, Chiarot, coming off the payroll and the addition of players like ASP, MBN, Danielson, Edvinsson, Mazur, Kasper. I think if you look at that exchange you stop sweating some of the minor mishaps like giving up for vrana or nedelkovich. Cap space is going up and out rookies won't be expensive which means the sky is the limit to really solidify the top 9 because Detroit has nothing but optimal timing coming out of flat cap era.

[@davidkruse4030]

Those stop gap signings ruined the chances at a better rebuild. They could have gotten a better pick in 2023

[@chettywapfilms1783]

Good breakdown… Yzerman’s drafting has been elite. In multiple games up, Edvinsson looked like the best defenseman on the team. Out of the 2 top goalies he’s drafted, at least one should be a very solid nhl’er. Seiders minutes last year were statistically the hardest minutes a d man has played since niedermeier 25 years ago (judging by avg opponent line and d zone shift starts. He did have a head start with Stamkos and Hedman but he also drafted Kucherov and Pointe in addition to vasilevsky. One set of bad contracts happened when no one wanted to play in Detroit, the second to fill immediate needs that would make them competitive. Now they’re on the edge, getting better and the prospects are developing well. On one hand the goal last year for fans was playoffs, but starting the season 89 pts was the target number to make playoffs which they cleared. They did overperform last year and could take a step back but Talbot Gustafsson and Edvinsson should be enough to shave 15 goals against. And they did get a little bit better on offense. If they can clean up their transition game they’re set up to get in the playoffs and be a pain in the ass for whoever they play. Cup contention is 2-3 years away but it’ll be a fun ride. If you’re at this point, thank you for reading my hot takes.

[@_Kakoosh]

Even if the defense improves a drastic amount in the next few years, we will be missing a true 2C or highly elite, superstar type player. Like we need someone who’s top 3 in their position league wide

[@biffstrong1079]

Yeah it's been a real struggle for Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit all on long term rebuilds with none of them working for years. I like Detroit to sneak in this year ahead of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. I don't know what kind of legs this rebuild has though. They have some old guys like Kane, Tarasenko and Copp at forward and Chiarot, Petry, Holl, Maata and Gustafsson on defense. Edvinsson, Pellikka, Wallinder need to work out. They really need some forward prospects to pan out. They have four goalies to choose from this year :Husso, Talbot, Lyon and Campbell. One of them has to be a solid NHL goalie. Hard to believe Dylan Larkin is 28 already. He's coming in to his tenth NHL season and he played in the playoffs once, in his first year back in 2015/16. I think you are spot on with this analysis.

[@MrLahey43]

Hour long video shitting on Jim Benning next pls

[@MikeBartner]

HAHAHAHAHAH

[@gocanuckurself1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@fivedrunkwhales9291]

Holy that ned pronunciation was bad 9:20 😂😂

[@CorridoC]

Ned-el-kovich lmao

[@Sw4ggB055]

Yo Mike haven't watched the whole video yet but you're my favorite hockey KZbinr. Keep it up

[@MikeBartner]

Thanks!

[@Breezeblade2.2]

Love these longer form videos

[@MikeBartner]

Thanks I appreciate it!

[@TheUtube53]

The common theme is Detroit’s drafting failures in rounds 2-7. The rebuild will take 10 years if you can only nail the top half of the first round.

[@nysportsfan31]

Do a deep dive into the expedited Rangers rebuild, the good, the bag, the ugly, and the future

[@KanersCabride]

Been waiting for this video, you should have been more aware on Albert Johansen, he likely gets nhl games this year and Mazer and Kasper are borderline roster players with how good they’ve been in pre season

[@ZachDET]

Bro hates us 😄

[@camh9800]

yeah, bro is a certified wings hater on twitter.

[@FalloutUrMum]

The real Yzerplan was the friends we made along the way

[@AlwaysSens]

Would be very interested to see Pierre Dorion deep divers as a GM in my opinion the worst GM in the league history

[@reject9122]

Do one of these deep dives on the sharks Thornton/ pavelski / Marleau era 🙏

[@Dux4cup2028]

Anaheim deep dive if they get off to a good start

[@CorridoC]

“Kasper isn’t developing that good?” Everyone was convinced he was the best player in the Wings pre season this year

[@benpearce9626]

U r definitely underestimating kasper. He had a bad knee injury that slowed him down first half of the season, and in the 2nd half of the season and playoffs he was arguably the griffins best forward. He’s been by far the best prospect in camp, he’s skated with the nhlers multiple times this camp and has a rlly good chance of making the team out of camp in a middle 6 role. Definitely underestimating the kid

[@CRV_96]

Bro must not have seen husso’s 43 save win against the Penguins the other night.

[@marlmachine]

This video was probably recorded before, maybe during that game at the earliest.

[@nicksmith8141]

Drafting in the 1st round has been excellent, but they've failed to find any diamonds in later rounds beyond possibly Augustine and Mazur. We should start to see some massive changes if the prospects start to make the team and reach their potential. There have been a few weak signings and trades but nothing that's crippling the team in the long term. Still going to be some bumps this season, but beyond this year the outlook is promising

[@elem3ntals]

Do a deep dive on Mike Grier tenure as Sharks GM. Turned a barren prospect pool into the best in the NHL in only 2 years. Lots of big trades and draft picks etc

[@MikeBartner]

@@elem3ntals love Griers job

[@elem3ntals]

@@MikeBartner should do a video on it! so many people at first glance hated on his big trades

[@sharkhaos_probably]

I agree he's done a great job, but I'd hold out on the analysis once we're five years in. I have full confidence the building part will go well, but let's not jump the gun.

[@nersharific813]

At least they’re not in their second straight rebuild! 😅

[@stevemcevilly6762]

One low round player I think you missed that I think was a 3rd or 4th round pick was amodaius Lombardi who had a huge D+1 year in the OHL and had an ok first yeah in the AHL and has some big upside, and in the 2023 draft in the 7th round picked emitt finnie who was the youngest player in the draft and already has an elc

[@todbaker9017]

The thing you're not mentioning is that he has achieved more with less when compared to every other rebuilding team. Yzerman just has massive expectations because of the job he did in Tampa, but there simply isn't another GM who would be doing a better job then he currently is.

[@spizzlo]

I used to think that Ken Holland was legendary. He became GM in 93 I think and look what they did from there. But now I think he was ok and had incredible people around him. His European scout was a trailblazer and he had Jim Nill and Jim Devellano under him. You look at his later tenure after those guys left and it’s not pretty. Anyways I have 100% faith in Yzerman.

[@4u2nvHock3y]

Stevey Y has done a good job. I know everyone wants them in the playoffs. But i already think their future is a set and stone contender. Probably 1 cup

[@MikeBartner]

Can't say that yet when we've only seen 2 of his draft picks even play a NHL season!

[@4u2nvHock3y]

@@MikeBartner Then how do you project the Sharks to be such a good team?

[@MikeBartner]

@@4u2nvHock3y still some massive risk with them but I think Celebrini is bust proof and they still have another two top five picks incoming.

[@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv]

​@@MikeBartner😂 come on bud your not serious

[@MikeBartner]

@@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv *youre

[@CorridoC]

I think Cossa just needs time for every league he gets bumped into

[@gocanuckurself1]

Thanks for Hronek ☺️☺️☺️ Mike, a video on the shit show that was the Jim Benning era? 😂

[@wolfxp2]

He’s got concepts

[@MikeBartner]

@@wolfxp2 HAHHAHAHAHA

[@ArchibaldHimothy]

Yzerplan leading Detroit to Gavin McKenna Trust fam

[@StickinAroundHockey]

I could wait for playoffs if this was the case 😂

[@Semaj2326]

From an outside perspective I feel like the Yzerplan got off to a good start with the Seider and Raymond picks, however ever since the 21-22 season, it's felt off. He has made quite a few bad signings since then, and he hasn't really had any young players come in and pop since Seider and Raymond's rookie year. He needs Edvinsson to be a thing. And he probably needs the Red Wings to make the playoffs this year or he's gone. I think one of the things that has gotten lost on people is that the late round picks he made in Tampa were probably more of his scouting staff than they were him. From what I've heard, in the NHL, typically the GM makes the first round picks, but the scouts make the later round selections. Whatever scouts he had in Tampa that really watched guys like Palat, Point, and Cirelli play, well I highly doubt that Tampa allowed him to bring them to Detroit with him. If you're gonna give the GM credit for late round picks, then you should be giving Chuck Fletcher credit for picking Kaprisov. As a Devils fan, if you look at Ray Shero's tenure, there were some good picks in the later rounds such as Bratt, Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Schmid is TBD, Gritsyuk TBD, but ultimately it was his first round picks not named Hughes and Hischier who did him in. Zacha at #6, Mcleod at #12, and Ty Smith at #17. As well as trading for guys who really didn't amount to anything like Subban, Gusev, Mirco Mueller. There is a reason why Paul Castron (head of scouting) still has a job here and Shero does not.

[@willsmithmachine5244]

Non-Red Wings fans wonder why the rebuild is taking so long🤔DRAFT LOTTERY. Detroit not only failed to ever land a top 3 pick, they also got bumped back almost every year. I mean seriously, the NHL changed the draft lottery rules because of what happened to Detroit. Hawks suck... they get the #1 pick and get Bedard. The Leafs suck and get Matthews. The Oilers suck and get McDavid. The Devils suck and get Hischier, Hughes, Nemec🤦‍♂. The Ducks suck and get multiple top 3 picks right off the bat. of course it's slow when you don't land any top picks.

[@Semaj2326]

@@willsmithmachine5244 The draft lottery definitely hurt, but I don’t think they would be much better off if they ended up with Lafreniere instead of Raymond. They got bumped back in the Hughes draft but they did end up with the 2nd best player in the draft in Seider. The Blackhawks rebuild is still very much TBD. I’m with you on the Oilers, they were managed really poorly before Mcdavid got there and even with Mcdavid for quite awhile, as far as the Devils go, Hughes was an incredible stroke of luck, however Hischier didn’t even turn out to be the best player from his draft and although Nemec looks good it’s too early to tell how he will fare relative to his peers.

[@mchxnry3658]

Gonna need a deep dive into Pierre Dorian’s tenure

[@GromitMug_]

They WILL be WC2 ‼️‼️

[@MikeBartner]

We'll see as long as Raymond, Seider and Edvinsson progress it's a win of a season.

[@loganhacker9329]

Tierlist Tuesday?

[@nicktarnowski7069]

There's nothing he could have realistically done to make the team considerably better. But he's also done plenty to make them slightly worse

[@vinny1537]

He could have easily made trades like Montreal did for players like laine, newhook, and dach. Young guys written off by the team that drafted them.

[@markusk1015]

I think it would have been interesting for him to try and get kirby Dach

[@meekoosh]

Team is f’d up. Good enough to get the 9th pick again

[@KanersCabride]

You should do one on the Kings/ Rob Blake

[@MikeBartner]

@@KanersCabride how to ruin a franchise with one trade 🤣

[@jameskingscomicsandenterta3504]

@@MikeBartner PLD was definitely the worst trade, and $8.5M shouldn't be something you give to random people you just met on the street. But PLD isn't his only bad trade- Toffoli and Quick were also terrible. Neither trade gave the Kings much in return, while Toffoli could have definitely helped carry the team to 2nd round beside Kopi right now (if he stayed), and Kings never had a true starting goalie after Quick left

[@PercKnight]

Good video mike the bartender. Beating the allegations before mine very eyes. Ich bin ein Islanders-Fan und möchte wegen unserer Fangemeinde mein eigenes Leben beenden.

[@Hugh-z3i]

I know this isn't what you said, but I wouldn't call Jonathan Drouin a whiff intrinsically. That is to say he had lots of potential but a bad personal falling out.

[@paulrietveld9837]

I think they're going in the right direction. But Wings fans talking trash like the Wings are guaranteed to win a cup because Yzerman is attempting to do what he did in Tampa, which took a LONG TIME to come to fruition, is getting ridiculous. Y'all aren't guaranteed anything. The Wings aren't some sleeping giant that are gonna win a bunch of cups within the next ten years. They're gonna be lucky to get past the first round within the next ten years at their current pace.

[@workshoptelescope]

Seider is basically what he is now. Team’s cooked.

[@meekoosh]

This is a tank it season

[@MichaelPCaruana]

My concern is that if a lot of these prospects that we have been hyping up in the system were so good, why are guys like petry, chiarrot, and copp taking spots on the roster? You might say money but a good gm finds a way out of these mistakes and if anything just says screw it put the good players in. Unfortunately yzerman feels absolutely no pressure from ownership, certainly no pressure from a large portion of the fanbase, and is free to just hold on to every single prospect and bad signing to where the wings will just sit in this malaise of mediocrity until someone comes up and shows out. But 5 years in if you are not even close to being a contender im sorry i do not care how rough the situation was, every single player, coach, etc. is only here because of him. If they don't make the playoffs he needs to fire Lalonde and frankly he might need to go too

[@loganhacker9329]

Nedel covich 🔥

[@justinshields3819]

Detroit Red Wings future line-up 2029-2030?: Mazur Larkin Raymond Buchelnikov Danielson MBN Lombardi Kasper Berggren Finnie N.D. Nilsson Kiiskinen ------------------------------------------------ Rasmussen/Veleno? Edvidsson Seider Wallinder ASP Buium Johansson Johansson Cossa Augustine

[@Kcman1827]

man than mantha for vrana trade fucking sucked. i miss the old vrana hopes he hits on his PTO

[@MikeBartner]

@@Kcman1827 hope he does well

[@jeffwalker5514]

The majority of what you said was great. But your conclusion is terrible. You think the wings have the 5th or 6th best prospect pool and that’s not good enough to show a strong future? Um. What? A) 5th or 6th best prospect pool out of 32 teams is fantastic, especially coming from where they were pre-Yzerman B) They were recently ranked #1 prospect pool so idk why you’ve put them at 5th or 6th. Ergo, this is a pretty good recap of the past but a terrible take on the wings’ future

[@haslamabad_]

man that defence is roughhhh worst in the atlantic easily probably bottom 4 in the east

[@dallassylvestre8155]

Maybe they should go back to the western conference

[@dallassylvestre8155]

Drafting Micheal Rasmussen was a wtf Drafting Flilp Zadina again wtf

[@datsyuk1349]

almost as if they weren’t Yzerman’s draft picks!

[@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv]

Incoming handicap wings fans lol

[@Jonbonnar69]

longtime Wings hater

[@meekoosh]

Yzerplan not looking like success

[@AckermannFlora-m3v]

Kozey Estate

[@PlebWRLD]

Yzerplan is so mid🤣

[@nadaduo1765]

the yzerman isn't real lol , people actually still believe in this nonsense 😂

[@ZachDET]

I think your islanders are worse 🤍

[@MikeBartner]

Come 2028-2033 indeed, right now the Islanders are better.

[@ZachDET]

@@MikeBartner we both won’t get cups 👍

[@michaelkeller5927]

Been saying it for a while: Yzerman is brutally overrated. He got lucky with drafts in tampa but his ability to sign free agents and manage his team is terrible.

[@MikeBartner]

@@michaelkeller5927 yea his drafting in Tampa is impossible to replicate Kucherov in the last 2nd and Point in the 3rd alone.

[@StickinAroundHockey]

I'm going to be biased but it's hard to say that he got lucky with drafting when early on in his time as GM with Detroit, he reached for Seider who got rookie of the year, and is looking like a #1 defenceman on a future contender. Sure, luck definitely plays into it, but at some point, you have to give him credit for having an eye for good players. (And credit to the scouts as well)

[@Dave-fo1cb]

@@MikeBartner He had different and better staff in Tampa advising him. In Detroit he has most of the same draft and player advisors as Holland did: Hakan Andersson, Draper, and Cleary.