A Difficult Game About Climbing Full Game Walkthrough / Guide

A Difficult Game About Climbing is the a new challenging game in which players must use hard to grasp controls to climb to the top of a mountain. This video aims to show you the full game with a few tips along the way to help you if you get stuck.

[@emazio4122]

Dude played like it's nothing

[@0hubi]

fr, he even said the beginning has no difficult jumps then just clears the one jump I've been stuck on for hours like he's an orangutan in a jungle gym built for toddlers wtf

[@user-vc4ru2pb9n]

Power of control 😅😂

[@altrag3748]

@@0hubii think he meant just before that jump. Did you mean the one with the yellow skull? that’s where it gets suddenly hard i think. I just don’t understand the mechanics of the jump in the game. I figured that jumping from too high up is gonna make me slip off, you need to just with as little momentum as possible, just enough to get you over. So ideally find the closest spot, and just try to jump fully horizontally, hand furthest from the target to swing on and the closest hand to reach out and grab.

[@Innertorium]

He has edited the video. He did not do this in 20 minutes! NO WAY! He has edited it and voiced over the final edit. Also he is using controller which to me feels a bit cheaty.

[@gSquare67]

@@Innertorium bro ppl complete it in 4min , look at the speedruns , 20 min is slow lmao

[@kenosjumpscares]

My carpel tunnel after completing the full game with mouse

[@lostgarbage4055]

I am a cat meow

[@pidlantrwchus5282]

@@lostgarbage4055woof

[@HamalgamUB]

use q and e instead of click

[@szyris]

1:13 "this was the free demo, pls pay for hacks to continue"

[@preiium7553]

It isn't that hard once you get used to it.

[@karnkraftverk]

Yeaup, that is where im stuck at the moment (managed it two times now, need to get good at it)

[@yasuotherapper4296]

fr its imposible

[@Mascabar]

@@preiium7553 wtf am I missing lol, I got it once but it still feels impossible

[@Mascabar]

omg I get it

[@DragunnitumGaming]

You make it look SO easy! 😭😭😭

[@BeheadedKamikaze]

World record speed run is under 5 minutes 😄

[@oscarthegrouch651]

I played this whole game with mouse it took 7.2 hours of play time mostly stuck at the start, the first wheel jump, and the first half of the ice. Advice for people playing for the first time: 1. Play for no longer than an hour straight your hand wile be happy especially on mouse. 2. Do your best to practice your one arm jumps in the intro stage and jungle because you will need them a lot. 3. Lastly take mental breaks if you fall really far (I fell from the end of the gear/clothes section all the way back down to the start).

[@Andreag12984]

I’m on the ice level almost 8 hours in and all this is very true 😌

[@Innertorium]

I said practically the same things in my tips. I just got my golden loin cloth. But my first run was about 3 days in the making 😂. I thought I’d be the only one practicing at the beginning 😂. It definitely made the difference.

[@Innertorium]

@@Andreag12984Friend, your crown awaits! You can do it buddy! Get your butt up this mountain! 😁👍🏻 some tips for you for this section: 1. To do a good high reach, rock your body very slightly in the opposite direction then when you swing back reach up in the direction you are going. This will give you a good momentum in upper reach. 2. When you do your normal swing, double the swing momentum as the jumps here are further than previous. Similar in fact to the previous section you were just on. 3. The grabs need to be done later because too early you can grab the ice and slide. But use the ice to your advantage if you reach up for a grab. Slowly slide your hand back down to the rock you are grabbed onto otherwise you could lose your grip and fall. Slowly slide your reaching hand down the ice to the rock so you don’t slip and fall. 4. DON’T RUSH THE LADDER! take every grab slowly and confidently before you let go of the previous hand. A fall from here can land you half way down the mountain or all the way. So take your time.

[@Andreag12984]

@@Innertorium thank you and I won’t be needing those tips because only thirty minutes later I got the crown and beat the game 😎💪🏻

[@JodOnGod]

yeah i completed game from start to finish in 3.5 hrs

[@gamingmagnet238]

Really helpful, and guided me throughout the game when I needed it. This video gave me the motivation to beat the game (on mouse and keyboard).

[@Cowth]

the wheel at 15:40 was super easy on mouse for me but the jumps leading up to it were near impossible with the friction in this game

[@kenosjumpscares]

Same with me I got it pretty much every time on mouse except for a few times when i grabbed it but slipped off

[@samuelzurek2409]

me too xDD those jumps before the wheel were pain but i jumped the wheel on the first time haha

[@KevinTricks]

i got super lucky i got that first time and didnt fall back there again

[@14mzimmerman88]

@@KevinTricks I got this on my first try then fell and couldn't do it for an hour

[@JohnSmith-xt8zs]

ty that pirate wheel was cancer but i switched to controller and got it quick. hard to think about things like that when ur grinding it. great video dude

[@AlexAegisOfficial]

10:50 for the red steel bar, it's very easy to get momentum by just staying in the center around the rope and just grabbing a little to the right and the left of it, switching when it arrives to it's apex on the other side. You don't need to go far and apply large forces to get it going, a lot of tiny forces will do the job just right.

[@mugpad8269]

EXACTLLYYY thats what i do and its way easier

[@dronihack]

this never worked for me you can also just make it swing by switch to the outer side of it and going bit to the center, this way you dont need to travel that far

[@Innertorium]

This comment is making it way more difficult then it needs to be. Just go to the far left pull the bar down, head back a few grabs to the right and back to the left. In fact you can just do one grab to the right and one grab to the left and it works just as well.

[@AlexAegisOfficial]

@@Innertorium how is grabbing once per side in the middle without moving far more difficult than grabbing multiple times and moving too? The point of my method is that its dead simple for exchange of time, it takes a while to get it moving with such small torque near the middle.

[@mugpad8269]

@@Innertorium that is the best strat

[@ElMrBlack]

that transition from end to start is brilliant

[@RogueXR]

Thank you man! Finally beat it with 7.6 hours played lol

[@TValen_YT]

Thanks! Honestly it was really helpful and i used through out my whole game! Very useful thanks for sharing your pains with us lol

[@zipri9576]

Thanks! You helped me get through this game! (Although, true, not in 30 minutes, but in 14 hours, but still) :D

[@jamiefors5062]

Quirky game made to look easy, well done

[@ravenoushydra7948]

simplifying jumps in this game (mouse player). I think about it in 3 steps. Forward, Backwards, Jump. First you rock forwards as much momentum as you can, second you rock backwards really quickly in a jerky motion. Then you time the jump about when you return to the midpoint of the swing. Just that you have to get rid of the habit of trying to "scoop" jumps that you might have gotten from getting over it or something. Nope, just push your mouse upwards/diagonally, do not try to do a looping motion where you go downwards and then curve up. Just keep your mouse still while you're moving from the momentum of the forward/backwards motion, and then do your jump with a simple upwards mouse movement (this movement still takes quite a bit of motion and you have to sustain that motion until you get full arm pull/extension, also you have to release your grip right at the apex, but you can develop that muscle memory easily)

[@charliebrandtman8702]

thanks for helping me finishing the game

[@BenWard29]

You know, this game is actually the very first "quadruple A" game.

[@GTurn00610]

Compelted the game in 14 hours using just mouse and keyboard. I feel like its the perfect level of challenge with mouse and keyboard. You just have to find the comfortable sensitivity so you can swipe fast for a jump/leap but control the hands precise enough. Its a satisfying learning curve and once you "get it" the jumps are not that difficult, just don't be afraid to give the mouse a good swipe while pressing w/space at the same time to leap. And remember, sometimes you wanna leap up and sideways and sometimes more just to the side (like with the wheel in level 6).

[@Scrub_Lord-en7cq]

That part with the rotating cogwheel is freaking annoying.

[@adroitfg]

Thanks for this video, this helped me get through the cave and now I am on ice

[@demise2515]

just beat the game not even an hour ago. the ice is hell lmao

[@sergioabrb]

Thank you very much for this video. It has helped me a lot ❤️ mouse and keyboard gang 🔥🔥

[@u0w852]

that feeling when you overcome a very difficult obstacle only to get to another one

[@ManicWolf]

Thank you for this guide! I played using mouse and keyboard and it took me over 12 hours in the end, but I finally completed it!

[@ZebraLemur]

If you were wondering, shutting off your pc during the game (maybe in a bit of rage) completely bricks the game (until you delete the game files). Honestly, the jumping at the arctic level absolutely ruined it for me. So freaking difficult. 13 hours and I'm just done (especially considering the game just shat itself). Where as the controls for getting over it were actually kinda fun, having beaten it 70 times, I really just started to dislike the hand cramps and the realllly difficult jumps.

[@ZebraLemur]

I came back and beat the game. And then beat it a second time

[@Mrdedinside]

Another great video!!

[@KevinTricks]

I just beat this game for the first and last time, thank youuuu 😆🙌🙌

[@ZebraLemur]

Moves arms down then up AND use spacebar for the best possible reach upwards. I think it really maximizes the upward reach (It can be hazardous to use however. Spacebar can wrench you off sometimes)

[@AuroraNora3]

I prefer W key it feels more natural. I keep pressing A and D too sometimes even though they don't do anything

[@idsappples]

adding a small amount of swing before you reach up also gives the same "extra reach" effect as lowerinig your hand a bit

[@WistfulSum]

I don't remember if he mentioned the spacebar, but for anyone struggling with upward mouse movement on some of the jumps and didn't catch it in the pause screen, if you press and hold spacebar it will lift your hands upward making the effort on your mouse only left to right and maybe down.

[@disc-01]

great video man commenting for the engagement =D

[@TenaciousDanR]

Getting Over It had way better controls. I have no clue what is happening with my mouse when I do the one arm jumps. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't and I am doing the same input. Maybe a little mouse circle showing what movements you are doing. Getting Over It had this and it helped me learn the movements that I needed, and I felt like I had a lot more control because of it.

[@JodOnGod]

i felt like this until i realised i was the problem, output is dependant on input so its nonsensical to state that it isnt. Make sure with your swings you adjust the amount of vertical thrust you input depending on the vertical difference of the jump.

[@ysamusicc]

Little trick: when you swing while grabbing with your two hands its gives you much more momentum than swinging with one hand only.. you can then go way further

[@awrta4637]

finally after 3 days....I FINISHED THIS FREAKING GAME

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

You make it look easy. Also do you plan on playing any Yakuza games?

[@Innertorium]

I just recently got my golden loin cloth. Some tips for those with bad graphics card, no controller or a small space to use mouse. When you climb imagine this is not a game but a real climb. When you need to reach up high you need just gentle swing your self up for the momentum of reaching up high (if I’m reaching up high left then I rock very slightly to the right and then as I swing back to the left I reach up). Don’t rush your jumps and swings but take your time with the swing and jump and time it. You have to play with confidence when making certain jumps or grabs because your own psychological will get the better of you and you won’t fully commit to the climb grabs or jumps. Remember K.I.S.S (keep it simple silly) I.E look at what’s ahead and how can you make it easier or simpler for yourself. When you have a hand hold on a rock if you reach up and unsuccessfully grab the next platform the handhold you have will slip. To prevent this over 75% of the time, if you have another rock or slippery service in your way use it to your advantage and slowly slip the reaching hand down the slippery service then your grabbed hand won’t slip or at least won’t slip much. If you don’t have a slippery service try to quickly bring your reaching hand back onto the same rock you are grabbing hold of and grab with both hands then readjust. Two hand swing jumps don’t work as well as one hand swing jumps but two hands work for better momentum I.E for the dress swing, the red hoop swing and the red ice crimp swing. If you have ADHD or just no patience in general and you want to play for fun then go and download from Nexus mods the speed running mod. It’s easy to apply to the game and it’s very helpful if you just want to practice certain parts or just climb for fun. Those who will criticise this advise my reply to you is if you don’t want it then don’t download it simples! If you struggle with a part then try to a point but then stop and take a break, come back with refreshed. Whilst you are away from the game or part you will take a breath and think about the part you are stuck on and whilst you are taking a breather your mind will conjure up some methods of have to attack the bit you are on. Lastly, practice on the very beginning. Don’t take on the rest of the gauntlet until you have secured some confidence in your ability to swing jump and your confidence in no hand grab (I call it no hand grab and this is basically when you reach up or across for another rock but you completely let go of the grab you have to do so which can gain you a slightly higher or wider stretch. But you must be confident in your ability to reach no hand grab). These are my tips. After level 50 successful climbs you get your gold loin cloth and keep getting it every time after. For the bad graphic card users: turn your graphics to worst and change your resolution to 800x600 (it makes the difference). You can download a mod that also helps with removing some of the unnecessary background bits to speed up slightly. (Nexus mods). To compensate you can download a speedrunning mod also that allows you to fly (as mentioned before). Yes it’s effectively cheating but with such bad graphics and if your game lags a bunch on an important part that you feel was really unfair to your lack of progress, you can just fly back there and be honest to yourself. If you want to practice certain parts this is good for that too and you can teleport to different sections. Don’t beat yourself up if your graphics are terrible and you download this mod, it’s a sort of compensation. The mods are so small also like 7kb so it’s not going to take up space and will take seconds to download. But most of all have fun with it don’t get upset or angry. If you do take a break. Don’t let a game effect your relationships or happiness.

[@fuze6131]

the last ice biom was my personal hell. Stuck there for 2 hours or so. in comparison it took me 2.5h to get to the last level and when i had to make even the first jump i felt like i dont know how to do it right at all. took quite a bit of time to practice jumps and at the end managed to make it. Imo its quite bad that difficulty level jumps so hard. id like to see harder obsticles in the middle of the game where u need to jump so u have to practice throughout the game more but in general great game

[@OracularEwe1024]

Really helpful

[@Innertorium]

Also the reach down and reach up is not what is giving him the reach height. It’s because most the time he tries to reach up across his body. I.E he keeps reaching from his right hand across his body to the left. By him stabling himself he can then go straight up. But what does help is a little bit of momentum. Swing slightly to the opposite direction you are trying to reach up then when you swing back reach up and the momentum will carry you up higher. By little swing I mean literally a tiny little rocking just to carry up momentum not a fall jump swing. Ps: I’m not negatively criticising the channel owner. I think he is awesome and really awesome for sharing his visual aid and few tips here or there. I feel like this is a community add on where other tips can come in useful which is what I’m doing. But this is not negative towards the KZbinr, I think he is great.

[@c0ldark267]

13:12 you can grab right low corner on one box and swing until you grab the other one

[@Innertorium]

10:56 you don’t need to go that far back. You can just go back 1 or 2 grabs to the right and back to the left again to bring it down. Also I find pulling down on the mouse helps drag it down a bit more.

[@gurmangrillmann1650]

Thank you for the tutorial, it helped me a lot, but before I finished it, I lost a few tables, mice, and keyboards, almost all my hair, and my girlfriend left me. But otherwise, I'm glad I managed to finish it from Friday to Monday, and I played it with my friend for support, and he also managed it. Good luck to everyone else who tries to finish it! XD

[@roninouraldeen9044]

so you need a boyfriend?

[@Pogostuckfan]

I’ve completed the game 10 times ON mouse and keyboard but I tried controller it’s was of course harder than mouse and keyboard for me:) Edit: oh and I completed the game in under 16 minutes:) But I’ve switched to controller now

[@loveloser8693]

great game play

[@Innertorium]

21:59 Swing with both hands to get good momentum not one hand! Then when you are ready to jump, when you swing back to the left let go of the right hand and then swing back with one hand and do the one hand jump. Done well you will go far and feel far safer going higher and further.

[@M01st_Nu6g3t]

just watched markipliers video and he's stuck on the 1:20 jump, it looks so simple XD

[@dogaregood1016]

mouse and keyboard is very viable as long as you use the w/space bar controls which make it way easier and allow for speedrunning

[@frogskills8477]

Do you know if there are more cosmetics to earn? I see the WR has a purple skin and a top hat. I have completed the game 4 times and haven't received anything else than the crown tho

[@JackConstable]

its a mod on nexus mods

[@csskrm]

Finally finished ty. I've done alt f4, only up, getting over it and climbing game. Waiting for a new one to test me

[@biscuit249]

jump king and pogostuck, try those

[@csskrm]

@@biscuit249 these are not the same types of games, rn i'm doing beton brutal and imma play chained together then i'll be done again

[@user-yx2uw8op4w]

helped me alot (at the end)

[@adamgaming4522]

thanks you bro | sangat bermanfaat 🇲🇨

[@bigboom2438]

Welp. Looks like 15:04 is my limit. I've tried everything to make literally just the first jump and nothing. I even swapped to controller like you recommended but nope. I'm forever doomed to checkpoint 5 lmao. Update: I made it past the wheel. It took me a whole damn hour.

[@DotMeister]

i keep falling on the jump on the clothes how do you do it Edit: nvm i did it. if you're also stuck on it you have to go up a lot more than usual.

[@xKazo_]

that jump at 4:32 is just all down to luck for me, controller or mouse

[@ifriman7083]

Nah

[@madinoo]

thank you very much

[@TheIronStarks]

Anyone else have equally as much trouble using controller as mouse and keyboard? I want the controller to work but I just can't get that first difficult cave jump at 15:00 consistently.

[@guywhoplaysbass]

How do you do the skull and crossbones jump

[@jaykrug9631]

you flew right past the part I was stuck on

[@reesarthur9767]

It's way easier with mouse if you whack the sensitivity right up. I had the slider 75% full, completed in 5.5 hours

[@Caseoh_booty_crust]

Thx its help me very much and umm how u get the crown

[@alenfishman9365]

i cannot get past that first rock jump with the cross bone and scull. how do you just jump it so easy.

[@tolitojames5468]

The swing jump from the bone area to the rock with the poison sign makes no sense to me. I've tried it 20+ times and I get 2 inches on airtime

[@NukeJesus]

I finally beat this game

[@nicolas8195]

im stuck on the final jump of the section before the last section. i failed 3 times because of the blue things, they make me wanna unalive myself

[@vibxs-za]

controller is much harder ive completed this game 13 times and im telling you to stay on kbm its much easier

[@emperordalek102]

Markiplier is not even. Half way.

[@gingerdanny]

1:13 don't you dare call yourself a walkthrough and then tell me to change over to controller instead of giving me the actual instructions to make the jump

[@Escrode]

still need the help?

[@gingerdanny]

@@Escrode ...no i switched to controller

[@Escrode]

@@gingerdanny alright cuz i figured out how to easily do it on mouse and keyboard

[@millocracy]

@@Escrode please tell me how, i have fallen there too much...

[@Escrode]

@@millocracyGo to the rock in the middle and get to its highest point then grab there spot with both hands in the same place then just swing a couple times not too many times tho then let go

[@hangry3102]

10:44 bro did this part so wrong but at least he was committed. And he's way better at the game in every other part than me.

[@smart_lizard_3149]

How do you do it correctly? I’m stuck there

[@hangry3102]

​@@smart_lizard_3149 instead of going back and forth on the left side, alternate grabbing on the right and left side from the middle position at the rope. It generates way more movement.

[@smart_lizard_3149]

@@hangry3102 okay, thanks man, I‘ll try it.

[@crimsonshinobi5281]

I hate hate hate the "swinging" mechanic or whatever it is, I just don't understand it and I've reached the hanging rocks area (with the big pool). I've managed to grab the first rock twice and now I'm just bored because I always drop straight down like a stone.

[@senthiljaya]

I played this game. Iam also fully completed 😊

[@Spartanoffaith]

The ice cave is a fucking joke. The first jump isn't difficult, it just feels like RNG. Everything in the ice cave does not feel like any skill based movement, just RNG.

[@FrickFrackFat]

At 7:05 I found an easier way to get to the pool, so hang onto the bottom of the dress with both hands and then start swinging your self back a forth,until you feet look like they’re touching the undies and let go and you should just be able to chuck your self into the pool😊

[@ggdk2865]

That seems way more risky and difficult though.

[@evanschmitt3993]

The jump at about 7:55 is SO inconsistent for me, half the time I grab it but just immediately let go and fall. Any tips to make it more often?

[@roninouraldeen9044]

go on the top yellow handler and jump to the other yellow handler for me it worked 90% of the time

[@cheeseliker92]

Hey man just wondering if you're doing a Separate Ways S Plus guide? I think it would be really cool.

[@dorukilhan4329]

perfect guide just have to say at 14:55 you could help us little more with giving the spesific details of that jump like where exactly hand is touching, i got cancer there

[@cinematicvoid1334]

I have cancer with the wheel

[@BenDol90]

This jump killed my run on mouse and keyboard, I just cannot make this jump fullstop.

[@willster17yt]

Just beat this game entirely using Mouse+Keyboard! Guess I have bragging rights! 😁

[@llaarnes]

thanks dude

[@mats92b22]

How do you make that jump at 4:30 it is almost impossible. i make it once in 50 attempts (on mouse)

[@jakebot666]

im having trouble too

[@_Epidemic_]

You never know how goddamn slippery the rocks are until you reach 15:00

[@Ultimate16]

Thanks i can do it with you

[@mikavanschalkwijk6953]

BRO, THAT 'A LITTLE JUMP' AT THE LANTARNS COST ME 3 HOURS

[@DavidSartor0]

How do I do the jump at 15:39?

[@rayfer.]

my problem with playing controller is that the hands move sooo slow i dont know if im me or the game is just bugged from that aspect, i´ve tried to put the sensitivity to the max as well and its the same so idk, still stuck on the wheel part

[@cadaeib65]

Yeah same, I tried with controller but even swimming in the water was extremely slow, I ended up beating it on keyboard, just push forwards !

[@rayfer.]

@@cadaeib65 yeah I managed to make it to the third rock but then I fell. almost I guess

[@Le-flan]

I feel special knowing I seen the making of it before I need the gameplay vids 💀

[@Squidmoto3]

saw, not seen

[@adroitfg]

@@Squidmoto3grammar police

[@carrotpeeler3189]

if you use spacebar mouse and key isnt as bad

[@GhostMcLovin711]

This game will break my hand like it’s breaking my brain and this man playing like nothing

[@mertgoksel744]

His hands slip WAY too easily. I dont know how many times i fell down from the rocks that i was able to grab.

[@RAFI_]

I played on mouse and got 5h:06m:30s, it wasn't as bad as i though but the damn red wheel jump from the rocks on the roof was so damn annoying.

[@brad_soup]

I've been stuck on the first jump for hours and I came to this video hoping for tips on how to do it but nah, he just yeets it lol. Too late to refund, unfortunately.

[@creeper7794]

Yeah this guy yaps about the wrong things lol

[@jakebot666]

only way i was to able to get it was to swing trying to get up and slightly to the right then quickly reaching right out to the bullshit

[@mikavanschalkwijk6953]

bro said 'a little swing here', I still didn't manage to get it right after 2 hours

[@Idkagoodusername-vn2vk]

On the red bar section, my mouse disconnected and i got sent back 4 levels :(

[@maCHAMP_]

I beat in in 10 hours and 30 minutes on keyboard and mouse i tried controller after and in my oppinion it was just worse because i could jump comfortably on keyboard and mouse and i have more control on keyboard and mouse

[@StarTair18]

Moral of the story: If you want to beat the game, buy a gamepad lmao

[@creeperking525]

Please help! I cannot Finish the sixth area of the game!

[@Fred2008GH]

I cant even get past the first jump. Even though I have 10 wins on getting over it.

[@v0mit4br4ins]

the part where you get to the ancient greek-looking pillars is the HARDEST part for me. cannot get past that first swing to the second pillar

[@vacantile]

Thats a skill check, did you ever get past it ?

[@v0mit4br4ins]

@@vacantile i did 😭 i just had to get the muscle memory down of that kind of jump

[@altrag3748]

yeah idk, controller just makes it a hard decision. Feels like I have less control, which is exactly what goes wrong with every fail, I didn’t know exactly what would happen. I did set up DS4 Windows and used a custom preset “Gamepad with Mouse-Like Joystick”, seemed to fix everything. Now I think the right stick controls the right arm and left controls the left arm or something. Uses triggers instead of bumpers and pause is options not R2 bruh.

[@altrag3748]

bro this is so stupid. You know what did work tho? I went back to mouse and just cranked the sensitivity and DPI up……made the jump first try. It wasn’t the first time I got past that yellow sign, but I fell on the tree branch up and was so pissed that I had to google this video. Now I’m finally in that first pool of water and I am bliss.

[@totallynormalcat1]

I almost got to the final part but fell down back because the jump at 17:40 Edit: I got past the area!!!!

[@TommyGun-ti3vh]

In Three Days HOW DID YOU GET SO GOOD IN THREE DAYS

[@rezfez1979]

was that a "giggity" at 8:47

[@mrbobgamez9034]

me: watching this to understand how to do the first jump Him: talking about switching to controller and just casually does the jump and doesn't even explain it BRUUU

[@FunkyHarrison]

Why would you make a game and then not optimize it for keyboard controls.

[@ClickerDashGaming]

How to get golden Cloth? I see other youtubers have it?