A Doctor's Guide to UK - MRCS and Mch (Episode 4)

[@saketbonde6533]

excellent video! - although as of 2021, even if you have cleared the MRCS, 50% fees is only applicable if you are already rotating somewhere in the UK and have done your GMC reg

[@EkanshDebuka]

Thanks Saket, yes we've now that mistake previously. We're glad you found the video useful.

[@haroonyamin3860]

Very informative video as always, especially the fact about trust paying for relocation. Although, I do have a question about the fees being reduced by 50% on having cleared MRCS - How does that work? Is there is a timeline by which you have to clear MRCS to avail this discount? If you have already paid more than half of the fees, will they refund the money on clearing MRCS? Thank You!!

[@EkanshDebuka]

I would like to clear this point here - the 50% reduction of fee can't be availed if a trust sponsors your Visa which would be the case for the Mch. It would probably work if you were already working in the UK and decided to do the Mch separately. Also, if you have paid half the fees - you would be the first to get any refund :) !

[@arazmed]

Guys you are great but you need microphone for better quality and it ll bring more followers 👍🏻 i have a question. İ am a neurosurgery trainee in turkey, will get my degree in 1 year. Do you think after mrcs specialty positions is better or getting fellowship first? Thank you

[@EkanshDebuka]

Thanks so much for feedback Dr Aliyev. We will try and improve on the sound quality next time, good to know what we can do better. MRCS by itself would generally not land you a fellowship straight away but definitely adds a point in your favour. I would apply for both, see what I can get and then decide.

[@drpradeepyadav110]

Hello sir, i am an orthopaedic surgeon with 3+ yr experience post pg and my wife is gynaecologist with same experience...we were thinking of doing MCh in UK ..what would b better choice .. doing mrcs first and thn MCh or plan for 2023 session MCh as well as start preparing for mrcs ...so that I should do mrcs along with MCh...is MCh from UK really worth it or its better to continue as a consultant in corporate hospital india and grow here... kindly reply..

[@EkanshDebuka]

Dear Pradeep, if the answers were this straightforward - everyone would be doing one or the other. Please go through our other videos and try and understand what the course is about a little more. It doesn't hurt one bit to get on with doing the MRCS even while you wait for the Mch interview, always works in your favor. Whether it is worth or not - personal call depending on what you want from life and what your personal aspirations and situation is.

[@drpradeepyadav110]

@@EkanshDebuka thnx a lot sir...i just wanted ur opinion as u have experienced both...so u can guide better..

[@EkanshDebuka]

@@drpradeepyadav110 Totally understand your predicament. It's a tough call.. take time to think it over 👍

[@anandhrajan1505]

Hey guys, i have a couple of queries - 1. does clearing all stages of MRCS guarantee a non-training job (if you want to build up your CT clinical skills if you havent met their required standards) or a direct placement into ST3 (provided you have the required CT clinical skills)? 2. what happens if ive cleared MRCS but did not getting placed? any possibility? if so, what should be my next step to progress forward? Thank you.

[@EkanshDebuka]

1. It doesn't "guarantee" a non training job. It matches a requisite they usually expect for it. As most applicants applying for a Non training job have an MRCS it becomes almost a requisite. For placement into ST3, you must sit through the ST3 interview process like regular trainees. 2. If you dont get a Registrar level job with your MRCS, you either have to wait and keep trying or maybe consider taking an SHO level job to start with.

[@SM-kz8jg]

I have a similar question. As you have mentioned in your other videos, how to apply for a job after MRCS; what is the likelihood of getting selected for a non-trainee job after MRCS for someone who has some but not all the boxes checking off from the things that they require on your portfolio/CV ?( Like many in India don't have PubMed publications, audits, teaching experience or a non-medical degree etc.)

[@EkanshDebuka]

@@SM-kz8jg Its hard to put a number to it as it depends on several factors like how many people are applying and how qualified are they. Any trust would like to get the best fit they can find to their need. Also, Visa issues come into play and also your performance on the actual interview.

[@harshrao9126]

Would u recommend doing MCH in UK and then going for MRCS or doing MRCS in the UK and then pursuing MCH there??

[@EkanshDebuka]

You can do both at the same time .. like most people do. Which ever you start earlier is totally your choice based on what your options are

[@booter654]

Do you need UK VI IELTS Test or Just the IELTS Academic is sufficient, please advise if someone knows...be it for GMC, Mch or Visas

[@EkanshDebuka]

It has traditionally been the UKVI Academic or the OET that is the requirement but it is best to confirm with the Mch course liasion to confirm if there are any changes to it ! Please enquire at the following email - [e-mail]

[@mohammedasif9368]

Hello guys . I have few couple of queries about career in u.k I am orthopedic surgeon back in india freshly passout . I got selected for mch program . My query is after completion mch course can i stay back in u.k and build my career without Attempting for mrcs . Gmc registration is it will be temporary or permanent basis ?? 2 years will they consider to get u k passport ?? With stifund can me and my wife can survive . ( Wife will not work ) Thankyou

[@suchithralakshmi271]

Hi.. I’ve completed my MS general surgery last year in 2019 and I’ve been working in private hospital since then. So will that 1yr creates any backfall for me.. another query is that, should I complete my MRCS parts in India and come to UK or should I come to UK through MTI and then prepare for MRCS.. which route would be bettter

[@EkanshDebuka]

Hi Suchitra, working in a private setup is ok.. you should get a letter from the doctor or hospital to state as much with a brief descriptions of your role and responsibilities. You should have been constantly employed for the 12 months before applying. The second part of the question is - what works for you. We've touched on that in some of our videos, please have a look and it'll help you decide what suits your situation better. If you still have questions, please post them here or send us an email at [e-mail].

[@naikaarjav]

University website states that if I am registered with GMC and working for minimum 2 years in NHS then my fees would be half of regular fees for IMGs. You have mentioned in your video that if post MRCS , you are registered with GMC , I should be eligible for discounted fees. Can you clear the air on this?

[@EkanshDebuka]

Post MRCS halving of the fee is now not being provided by the University. As you said, it is an option if you are already GMC registered and working in the NHS.

[@naikaarjav]

@@EkanshDebuka do you know anyone of ENT speciality in this program?

[@EkanshDebuka]

@@naikaarjav I could try and find out some information for you if you email me your queries at [e-mail] !

[@naikaarjav]

@@EkanshDebuka thanks a lot. Will do

[@kusuchday]

My friend is an Orthopedics surgeon, who had done his MBBS and MD in Orthopedics from India. He has been practicing in India for 3 years now. He is planning on working as an Orthopedics surgeon in the UK. Would he have to take the MRCS or FRCS?

[@drghulamarshad9565]

Mrcs ..If He wanna work in uk !(IELTS /oet is mandatory for GMC registeration )

[@SujayJoshi911]

Sir, if after clearing my MRCS both parts shall I do 4 yrs training in UK to get cct and then do FRCS or should I just get them both(MRCS and FRCS) done in India itself.?...Which one will give better opportunities considering I’m going to return to India after training....also can you please tell me the course fees for the 4 year training post MRCS.....I want to pursue orthopaedics as my branch

[@adityamalik441]

Hi Sujay. To get a CCT you need to enter the training programme through portfolio evidence and interview whilst competing with the local CT level trainees. Know that in the portfolio you are at a disadvantage as you gets points taken off for achievements you have made in your career (including in india) as opposed to a junior CT doctor who has worked perhaps less than a year in T and O. youd be surprised how significant it is. However, if you do enter the formal training programme , you start at ST3 and end at ST8 ( it is 6 years before you get CCT, once you start). you are expected to complete FRCS at ST6-7 years of your training. If you wish sit FRCS from india, please note it will not be the actual coveted british FRCS exam, but a corollary exam set up for international graduates called the iFRCS (international FRCS), part B of which is held in Kuala lumpur. although the examiners, the exam pattern and the examining body are the same, it is not accepted by the GMC and will not allow you to apply for specialist register entry. it will only be a namesake exam, and if you wish to practice in india in the long run, might as well sit for that only as it doesnt matter if you are not in the UK. hope this clarifies a bit

[@SujayJoshi911]

@@adityamalik441 Thanks a lot sir for the detailed answer.....it surely cleared my doubts

[@ameshmohan4902]

@@adityamalik441 which is good sir, taking pg in home country or taking plab and under going speality training in uk. Plz reply

[@rehabrk]

Hi sir I have done ms ortho from india if I do mch trauma & orthopedics and then do mrcs will it be easier to get job in ortho speciality .. or directly doin mrcs will be the same experience?

[@EkanshDebuka]

MRCS helps getting a job but is not a necessity. Mch program itself involves working as an SHO in the first year and then as a reg in the second year. You can directly join with MRCS but jobs can often be hard to get in the current scenario

[@rehabrk]

@@EkanshDebuka and what about after second year ? Do we have to do mrcs to stay in uk or can work in ortho after mch only ?

[@EkanshDebuka]

@@rehabrk we've covered these points in other videos, please find some time to go through them. MRCS is not necessary but preferable.

[@kasthurirp1783]

Hi, after finishing ms surgery in India, is it better to write mrcs first and then enter a non training job or enter into mch and then clear Mrcs if we wish to continue working and setting in UK?

[@EkanshDebuka]

The question of what is better depends on what is feasible to you. All options are possible with their own pros and cons. The only thing though - Do not put off until tomorrow something that you can get done today 😎 !!

[@suchinaparmar5729]

Hello.... I have done ms ent nd SR ship also for 3 years ... I want to move to UK through MTI... Kindly let me know abt this pathways too!!

[@EkanshDebuka]

Hi Suchina, have a look at the link below. I am sure you will find it useful. www.entuk.org/medical-training-initiative#:~:text=The%20MTI%20allows%20doctors%20from,practice%20in%20their%20chosen%20fields. If you want to know about anything specific, drop us a message and we will try our best to help you.

[@DrAgalya]

After mch urology in India,how to practice in Australia?

[@KiddoSurgeon_DrAR]

To settle in Australia, one has to clear the FRACS/ACS exams! Most of the times, overseas candidates are provided non-trainee fellowships/observerships than the actual trainee position. And the trainees get a higher chance to become faculty there. Rest all might have to return eventually (if the RACS exams aren't cleared by the meantime)

[@DrAgalya]

@@KiddoSurgeon_DrAR thank you sir..

[@nooralam-bc8lv]

I m in my second yr of orthopedic residency sir. Is joining training program from ST3 after I spent 2-3 yrs of Senior residency in home country is like downfall of experience .

[@EkanshDebuka]

Well .. the ST program is obviously the training program here. As such, if you intend to join it after a few years of senior residency, it would definitely feel like a step down initially !!

[@anveshpampatti4187]

HI sir after MRCS can we do MCH in india ?

[@EkanshDebuka]

Yeah, you can do MRCS from India too and the Mch as well ! However, the Mch from India is quite different from this particular Mch course.

[@janammerchant2905]

Sir I’d be planning to apply for Mch Orthopedics My wife being an anaesthetist Can she come on dependant tier 2 visa with me and get a job there in Uk? Will she need any particular exams for her field other than mandatory English exams? How Can she get a gmc registration if she comes on a dependant visa? Ive read on dependant visa you can work except for a training doctor position so a non trainee post can be available easily for anaesthesia? Regards

[@EkanshDebuka]

Already replied to you through email Dr. Merchant

[@Spandana_vlogs]

Sir if after clearing MRCS (after MBBS ONLY) i dont fing any registr level job and plan to apply for any sho jobs for the first place will I be considered overqualified for that?

[@adityamalik441]

Hi Dr Mitra, to be honest, not really. UK is short on SHO level workforce. They actually prefer experiences doctors in SHO roles to help fill the rota gaps, and gives you a taste of working in NHS at junior level. Once you enter , depending on your arrangements with the trust, your surgical and clinical skills and your relationships in your department, you can progress to registrar level, as long as there is a vacancy. it can sometimes be tricky, so ensure you speak to your employing consultants at the onset and start of your job with regards to career progress and support to move up the ladder.

[@shristisingh2538]

Can I give MRCS after MBBS?

[@EkanshDebuka]

If you’re considering MRCP/MRCS instead of PLAB, check first whether it is even required for your target specialty. MRCP is only required for specialty training in medical specialties eg. Cardiology, Neurology, Gastroenterology. It is not required to enter training for other specialties such as Paediatrics, Psychiatry, GP, Ophthalmology, Surgery etc. This seems to be a common misconception. Make sure you know your training pathway so you don’t take unnecessary exams. MRCS is required for most surgical specialties. It is not required for Obstetrics or Ophthalmology.

[@13-siddharthkamat3]

Sir can you please tell me how can I get admission in MD,DDS in USA as a foreign student

[@EkanshDebuka]

There's two problems with your question my friend - You're question is very vague Our videos are for UK and not intended towards USA.

[@13-siddharthkamat3]

@@EkanshDebuka ok sir then please tell me how can I do md in UK or Edinburgh

[@EkanshDebuka]

There is no MD in UK, it's called Training. You can do so by PLAB or by applying through MRCP. However, it is beyond the scope to explain everything here. I would suggest for you to read / research this online on the several websites that explain this.

[@13-siddharthkamat3]

@@EkanshDebuka Is there any thing like mbbs in UK or is it called md please tell about it sir

[@EkanshDebuka]

I appreciate your enthusiam my friend. But I cant possibly summarise such broad questions here in a single reply ! There is obviously MBBS in the UK. Your questions indicate there is much you need to understand about the healthcare education systems across the world. I reiterate that you should spend time to research this online yourself first !

[@Born-Surgeon]

Why u guys dont join the training programme ?

[@EkanshDebuka]

That is an option thats always on the table. The training program selections this year were very skewed against people who had trained in Orthopaedics already and were deemed to have "too much" ortho experience and were docked points in the selection criteria.

[@SM-kz8jg]

@@EkanshDebuka That's really messed up man! 😑 Competing against their candidates is like fighting the almighty Thanos with all 6 stones while we are barehanded!

[@EkanshDebuka]

@@SM-kz8jg well it's not easy buy there are ways to work things out if you really put your mind to it, and that's why we're here :)

[@downtoearth5443]

@@EkanshDebuka Realistically speaking, what are the chances that IMGs (Orthopedics) get training posts there after clearing MRCS? 1) How long does one have to wait on average to get through? 2) What can be done to improve our chances for the same? 3) Does working for say, 2 years or so in a non-training job in the NHS improve your chances of getting selected for a training post? Thank you.

[@EkanshDebuka]

@@downtoearth5443 it's become difficult as per the current rules but is not impossible by any means. One must work smart and focused and it can still be worked out.. Please go through the self assessment form for application of st3 training which clearly states how to grade yourself and measure that against the previous years cut offs !!

[@deepakbasavaraju5364]

Sir is it good one enter st3 for orthopaedics after Mrcs or do frcs in orthopaedics??

[@EkanshDebuka]

There's a big difference between the two. You can only sit the FRCS if you're at the level of a St6/7 whether in training or not

[@deepakbasavaraju5364]

@@EkanshDebuka so imgs can’t write frcs unless they finish training in uk or is there any counterpart for st6 outside uk??

[@EkanshDebuka]

@@deepakbasavaraju5364 you need three referees to be able to sit the exam. The iFRCS can be done internationally. Do read up about this online a little, it'll make the requirements and Process clearer.

[@deepakbasavaraju5364]

@@EkanshDebuka thank you very much sir for your super fast and precise replies. 🙌🏽

[@divyashreeb2444]

Will the fee reduce to 50% if we have cleared part A MRCS ? Or is it only after we clear part B?

[@EkanshDebuka]

Definitely not after Part A. And probably not after Part B either... I'd suggest contacting the University team directly for info relevant to the time you are applying though.