A Fathers Revenge | Amazing Spider Man #57

Amazing Spider Man #57 - Tombstone finds himself in prison after the brutal beatings he dished out, and also took, in the previous issue. But if you know Tombstone, you know that this is not quite the end of a story starring Lonnie Lincoln…
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[@Often_Uneliable]

When Joel mentioned gang war it was like a jump scare to my PTSD, I had erased it from my mind that quickly

[@mcpics4448]

When Spencer write Tombstone: Funny, tough, and ultimately loving and supporting dad. When Wells writes Tombstone: worst thing he done is beat up and trick spidey, yet blames for things he actually avoid doing, and he forgets his own motivation for plot contrivance

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Different writers, different takes

[@tashaem1]

We need at least some explanation for the bail. A bribe, ransom, connections with officials, telepaths, anything!

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

Nah. Especially not in New York. If he's the "kingpin" he has lots of cash, and NY is fairly lax when it comes to bail. Some states don't allow bail for murder cases, but AFAIK NY does. Really the only thing that needs explanation is why Spider-Man would think he wouldn't get out on bail in NYC in 2024, cause that just makes him look dumb.

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

"Diet Kingpin" lol. I would say that I don't know whether to give Wells credit for backing off of things that didn't work immediately (weird beetle costume, White Rabbit's betrayal) or laugh at him for having to backpedal so soon. But then I remember Issue one and a certain redhead and how that's still a thing 57 issues later and the choice is clear. "Lol what a failure having to backpedal ten issues after doing something". Seriously another great example of the complete planning failure that was this dumpster fire of a run.

[@kemmdog4444]

This is why we need Frank Castle back.🤣

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Sorry, he's in WeirdWorld at the moment defending some kids there

[@kemmdog4444]

@@MatthewLoh-ru1mwUnfortunately.😊

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

​@@kemmdog4444yeah😔......

[@bozcomics]

Spoilers: It’s still terrible. (Give Joel your watch time, though)

[@lamontabenson4886]

Joel did you read the comic in depth? Because it's stated many times that everyone believes that Tombstone WON'T kill his daughter and that he would go after Randy as a substitute to hurt his daughter for betraying him.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

He probably skimmed past that as he is uninterested in where this story is going.....

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

Yeah he mentions that but then the last page happens and it's pretty clear the implication is that everyone was wrong about what Tombstone was willing to do.

[@TevyaSmolka]

I am so done with zeb wells awful Spider-Man run it’s awful book that’s giving us nothing with Peter Parker story also why should we care about this tombstone story it’s not interesting but so boring in my opinion

[@saiyajinbeard]

The Amazing supporting c list class

[@michaelkeenan2682]

It was nice to see Tombstone in action, but we need more Spidey in a Spidey book. Also, White Rabbit had a nice bit of character growth.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Agreed with you, Joel, this was a 'meh' issue of not-so-Amazing Spider-man! Again, Peter/Spidey is barely in this book and does almost nothing to the plot if at all!

[@lycos577]

Great narration. Keep up the great spidey comic work

[@phillipporth4539]

Looking forward to this creative team being done.

[@brianwilcox1686]

Make sure when you guys get the book please read the letters page Nick lowb just said he doesn’t want Peter/spider-man to grow as a character

[@TevyaSmolka]

I am not surprised the guy Nick Lowe is a complete imbecile for thinking that awful logic of Peter Parker Spider-Man.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

@@brianwilcox1686 this is nothing new. We already knew all that when Quesada came into the picture as Editor in chief

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

Better idea, don't get the book. Pirate it if you must read it. But don't give them your money. If you're a collector just wait six months and get it for half price in the back issue bins.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@valiantparagonvideos2383 agreed

[@kt83976]

For once I’ll be positive about ASM, I was able to buy and enjoy a bunch of other books I got a chance to read because of the money I’ve saved the past couple years. Now there are a few writers where if I see their name on a book I’m definitely giving issue 1 a chance.

[@MardonNaLou]

Yeah, Lincoln's motivation is kind of lost to me here. My goodness I cannot wait for this story to be over...also another ex to diminish Peter in some way. Okay, Great thanks Wells.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Not surprising AS Wells had a DIVORCE

[@g.a.2997]

I'm genuinely surprised the marvel universe doesn't have an alan dershowitz type that defenses villains.

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

I have made this character in my head for years lol. It's such an obvious thing to do. An anti-Matt Murdock/Jen Walters

[@Dhampir101980]

Thank goodness this nightmare of a run is almost over. As out there as the Joe Kelly fill in arc sounds, it’ll have to be more interesting than this storyline is

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Hope so, too! However, the "fill-in" arc is a tie-in and prelude to the next BIG Marvel event, ONE World under DOOM. 😅

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

The Wells run won't really be over until the Paul situation is retconned. It's Wells' world until then.

[@Bruinsbigestbear]

The most interesting part of this issue is the letters page where Nick Lowe literally admits thinking that he doesn't believe in character development.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Thats because like his master, Quesada, he believes Peter shouldn't be allowed to grow and mature lest he becomes an "old man" and not "RELATABLE" to readers and fans, especially younger kids who are the MAJORITY of Spidey fans!

[@assassinsknight]

So we went through all of that last issue just to let him out in the very next introduction. What the hell.

[@Theo4321]

If it wasn’t for Joel I wouldn’t even know what’s going on in ASM for which I give my many thanks from saving me buying this mess😂

[@nickwilliams904]

one more left thank god

[@ginofrancejr555]

Zeb wells will recover from this travesty that is ASM

[@blacktrack1014]

This was the only time I was actually invested with an issue in this series. I legitimately was concerned about the Beetle and Robbie

[@CapedJoel]

Agree I still very much like them.

[@blacktrack1014]

@CapedJoel is it weird I kinda want a Beetle series? 😅 Like I would absolutely read those two own stories

[@CapedJoel]

@@blacktrack1014 I'm kinda shocked we haven't gotta at lesst a mini now that you mention it

[@blacktrack1014]

@CapedJoel I have a string of flimsy theories why: 1) Marvel probably doesn't see the profit of it. I don't think the general audience will really care 2) Marvel is kinda of scared of relationships 😅. They're a few strong ones like Jean x Scott, Strange x Clea, She-hulk x Card man (forgot his name sorry), but when it comes to main line relationships it's a coin toss if the writer wants to write them 3) Marvel has no idea what's going on anymore with their own continuity 😂😅

[@sixxsixx5410]

This is a mess if the next writer make it worse ASM run will destroy forever.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

@@sixxsixx5410 maybe not, but it will a tie-in to ANOTHER big Marvel Event! (ONE World under DOOM!)

[@mttylerdurden9]

Nothing can be worse than one more day. If One more day hasn't completely destroyed Spider-Man, nothing will.

[@sixxsixx5410]

I hope so.

[@ItsTheFizz]

Well Zeb already did The Spider Who Gobs twice, so what's another Tombstone-led Gang War?

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

No, but there will a dragged-out, knock-down fight between Spidey and Tombstone

[@BoudewijnPiet]

Just suprising to see that the only thing Zeb Smells could get right this entire run was breaking Peter and Maryjane up again. That takes skill.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

@@BoudewijnPiet it's not skill. Wells recently had a DIVORCE, so Marvel higher-ups knew exactly what they were doing

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

What? That's the thing he got THE MOST wrong.

[@BoudewijnPiet]

@@valiantparagonvideos2383 indeed, not from our perspective, but from editorial. Why they have not fired Mr Lowe yet.. He is not making Marvel the most money he could, but working against it by keeping Peter and Maryjane seperate. Sure...they have an alternate revenue with Usm, but they could max it by doing the same with Asm.

[@samuraiforever9120]

I more less read the news letters the editor answered why spider man doesn't develop and why status quo inconsistent basically the writers like to put apider man in these scenarios and put things back to square one at certain point.

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Say, Joel, will you be reviewing Avengers Assemble #1 by Steve Orlando? That book has a lot of great B & C-list characters and She-Hulk is also there and drawn very nicely instead of this ugly depiction here😊

[@CapedJoel]

@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw Yup bought my copy

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

@@CapedJoel Pls and thank you👍👌

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

Why is everyone struggling so hard against tombstone!?

[@kevin-2.1]

If is a lawyer for tombstone, then yeah it’s her job to bail out her client. If Peter would know that ahead of time then what’s the point of yelling at her? I don’t know what’s worse, either Wells is making Peter dumb or moody?

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Both

[@samuraiforever9120]

Also why the bad inconsistent art they had two artist during spider goblin one who handled main characters and the other who does supporting characters.

[@MarvJohnny]

How is Romita Jr. still employed?! I feel like this bad writing would be more palatable if the art was good

[@Dhampir101980]

Simple: name recognition

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

@@MarvJohnny because he draws fast and can deliver despite the awfulness of his art?

[@yobwoc1000]

Jodl, do artists and writers communicate when they create a comic?

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Yes

[@ginofrancejr555]

THIS ISSUE AND RUN SSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSS wow wells really made tombstone go from one of the baddest villians in spideys rogues gallaxy to a punk. Im over ths run JUST END IT ALLREADY

[@BigSunn0]

oof this guy draws like a child

[@baggin.]

Where is this all going zeb?

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

Who knows? 🤷🙍

[@codystork3008]

Nowhere fast.

[@Magmaster13]

Why doesn't Zeb Wells take over for She Hulk?

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

@@Magmaster13 because he is not interested and and is only good in writing villains and anitheroes?

[@mttylerdurden9]

​@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw Hellions was pretty good

[@MatthewLoh-ru1mw]

@@mttylerdurden9 those guys are villains and anitheroes, you know?

[@thespade3577]

Another issue of why bother

[@vicpardo894]

This soap opera Is bad. Marvel comics have always had melodrama but man this is just dumb and tiring