A Few Ubisoft & Guerilla Devs Diss Elden Ring's Success & Design, And It Goes Very Poorly

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[@YongYea]

Coming from devs of companies whose open world design have become stagnantly complacent, their criticism of Elden Ring's UX & quest design and deeming Elden Ring not worth its level of critical success is hilarious. Some of the criticism is valid, but the way they lambast the game's score and success comes across as petty. SURPRISE MECHANICS (MERCH): www.yongyea.com PATREON: www.patreon.com/yongyea TWITTER: twitter.com/yongyea TOP PATRONS [CIPHER] - Joseph Lavoie [BIG BOSS] - Coopster - Devon B - Jonathan Ball - Sarano [BOSS] - Charlie Galvin - Gerardo Andrade - Joe Hunt - Michael Redmond - Peter Vrba - Time Dragonlord [LEGENDARY] - BattleBladeWar - TacoBell Call911 - Theron Webb

[@wealthybone2990]

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[@MaxariSouls]

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[@kadenbryan8032]

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[@maximilianiholyromanempero6085]

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[@firelord1014]

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[@totals3llout459]

Imagine paying 60 dollars and actually getting a complete game with an insane amount of replayability, nothing locked behind pay walls, no loot boxes, no subscriptions, not having to log in to a dogshit ubisoft website.

[@kaikart123]

Also no gacha card system or bullshits like that

[@katsumoto9143]

Shocking ikr

[@birdmannichols939]

Didn't have to download anything. For once just a full game we can start up and play with no tutorials. They just let you get in the game as fast as possible

[@ladynikkie]

No surprise mechanics 😆

[@MammalianCreature]

The best part about this, we might be getting DLC in the future.

[@MnemonicHack]

It's almost like when you have a history of releasing great games and caring what your fans want, people implicitly trust you when you make a new game and are willing to buy day one.

[@shadowking9147]

Lmao amen.

[@ricardohoang8452]

Amen brother. And Ubisucks are too busy with their NFTs 🤣

[@danielclark-hughes692]

Gotta be careful with that though, even the greats aren't immune. Look at what happened with Cyberpunk.

[@thepassingstatic6268]

CDPR knew how this felt once.......

[@TheRagingbull4136]

Yeah, weird right?

[@pebbleplays5335]

Finishing an assassins creed game feels like a chore, but elden ring is the most fun I’ve had in a video game in a very long time

[@Glumsage]

Haven't even been able to finish assassin's Creed, I've had it since it came out and every time I load it up I immediately lose my enthusiasm for the game because it's the same game it has been for the last few games is so boring which is sad because it could be so very much better

[@Glumsage]

@@OutwardYapper ?

[@OutwardYapper]

@@Glumsage sorry this comment wasn’t for you, it was for Pebbleplays

[@OutwardYapper]

You are dead one on this.

[@frostivied9239]

True, I don’t think I’ve ever finish any ac after rogue lol, I tried origin but man the game feels like a chore.

[@UmaJaba1]

Amazing what can happen when a game is release complete, with no micro-transactions, this game isn't even my typical genre, but support this game 100%

[@ItsScapeGoated]

Thank you for being sensible.

[@xoce6210]

@@ItsScapeGoated what? Lmao

[@squirtleoctavius1993]

@@zmman9243 XD

[@narcisis4147]

Amazing what can happen when a company cares more about its players base instead of fucking everyone over to make the most money. This game didn’t release with over a hundred game breaking bugs, it didn’t make any false promises, it had every single thing that was showcased in trailers, and it had an update less than three weeks after launch that fixed 90% of any bugs it had and balanced all the things that were too op.

[@ashfox7498]

"You mean to tell me the Samurai class isn't an exclusive pre-order bonus only for people who pre-order the gold edition which includes the season one Land of Reeds storyline?"

[@darthhasifius9770]

Elden Ring actually makes me wanna explore every piece of the map while Ubisoft games makes me feel like I'm staring at a fucking grocery list

[@fajaradi1223]

This reminds me of Bethesda game

[@TotallyNotRedneckYall]

I haven't had to climb a single radio tower or primitive equivalent and I feel fine.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

That's almost every fucking open world game besides BOTW and ER (if I'm missing some games, please suggest I'd love to check them out as well)

[@lordadz1615]

It has quests but they feel like fetch quests

[@music8419]

Yeah, u have no idea how happy i am to find a cave/catacombs while exploring the map 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DEADMALLANGEL]

The fact that these devs felt the need to shame the work of others in the same industry just reeks of insecurity and unprofessionalism

[@phalanx8437]

It doesn’t wreak of it, that’s just what it is lol.

[@IchbinX]

It's a zero sum game. They know us poor peasants can't afford everything. One successful game can ruin these ppl's business.

[@cpgrillo1253]

@Cyrene not picking up my copy of forbidden west dude can keep his shitty quest design.

[@keonkla]

I mean to me this is not surprising. People and gamers have been rabidly defending devs from any sort of critics or bad looks from poor game launchers or broken and unfished titles, that now devs have grown cocky enough to say bitter whiny victims rants now and worst part is...some people will shrug it off! Already some people in this section saying that there big bad business suit overlords forced and ruined there hard work...when no. Majority of the time Developers are just bad at Their job and are poor at making sure the game works or have very uninspired ideas with no innovation. "devs are saints no matter what they release or do" Is dumb mentallty

[@SolunaPiano]

@@cpgrillo1253 That's a mistake if you ask me. Just because one dev has a crappy take/unpopular opinion doesn't mean you should rob yourself of the HFW experience. It's not like he represents all of Guerilla or something.

[@intoHeck1964]

The questing in elden ring feels like a real journey rather than a chore list. You become invested in exploring and listening the npcs rather than “go to this marker, kill this mob, grab this item”

[@MaryArts]

Exactly. It makes you want to find out more. Or you are like my boyfriend and say: "Dude, that sounds like a chore. Imma go do my thing" Kills NPC. 😂 In Elden Ring you can decide what you want to do and what are your motivations on becoming the Elden Ring. I serisously don't know any other game that does that. You might be invested in the story like in The Witcher, but you will never feel like you as a player are a living being, a part of the story, like in Elden Ring.

[@korawitbuttramee618]

It can be frustrating to the new comers of Souls games and it's a bit of a hassle because unlike Dark Souls or Sekiro, Elden Ring is an open world. That said, does it make the game bad? Hell no.

[@Khtras]

But for the most part, the questing gives you no information at all on where to go. Having no markers (aside from the Volcano Manor assassination targets) is nice and feels more real, but we should be able to have more clues on where to go to continue the character's journey. Look at Millicent, she goes to multiple spots on the map and somewhat randomly, before you can finish the quest

[@bweeptabop3944]

At first yes, this seems like bad attitude from the other devs. On the other hand, I can't help hoping that Elden Ring lit a fire under their asses and they'll be motivated to up their games to challenge titles like Elden Ring.

[@MyZ001]

That's was so disappointing about the text. Instead of saying "our games need to be better/different like Elden Ring", they're instead saying "Ehh, Elden Ring is not that good and doesn't deserve the hype; ours are better"

[@fwheels7776]

Sadly most game devs/game heads will pick the things that they "think" make Elden Ring a money maker, not what Elden ring does to make a good game. Pure passion cannot be replicated by a marketing team designed to suck the player dry.

[@barnabyjones5161]

They'll just double down on half-finished games and microtransactions.

[@All_Knowing_Raphael]

They'll probably just copy past elden ring and scotch their games basic ahh gameplay on it, like they all did with Zelda breath of the wild

[@RobotronSage]

You are so fooling yourself with hopium / copium if you think they will take this as an inspiration to make their ''games'' anything more than a cheap asset flip shovelware scam lmao F Wheeler said it right all they will do is copy ''elements'' of Elden Ring into their generic cookie cutter sandboxes thinking it will flood their bank account with idiot peasant kid money

[@NataliaNeeSama]

I can FEEL the envy from those devs. Elden Ring has no "catch", it is just a good game, and they don't like it. It proves the industry can be successful just by making good games.

[@Walamonga1313]

Compare that to DICE commenting that consumers have "brutal expectations" aka a game that's fun and has content lol

[@icyatlasartworks]

@@Walamonga1313 literally, all we ask for is something that doesn't suck and they still can't manage to do it. When smaller intermediate developers with a few years of experience make games in less than a year with a fraction of the budget that are more fun and player-oriented than a AAA company that has been around a hell of a lot longer, maybe gamers should start considering where their money is going.

[@DTDplays]

@@Walamonga1313 I mean, that's a tall order for the Devs that are used to ship hardly working games with 2 hours worth of content and lootbox/P2W mechanics out of the ass.

[@mdd4296]

@@gsesquire3441 ER did have somewhat of a celebrity: george rr martin. However, he was actually very involved in the creative process, not just a face and voice.

[@bobyroublard9965]

"being successful just by making good games" who would have guessed ?! :o I am flabbergasted

[@Zathren]

Never try to throw shit at someone who's ahead of the race. Chances are you won't hit them and the shit will hit you in your own face.

[@louicheeooow3563]

LOL good ass quote said perfectly

[@franciscodetonne4797]

Damn that's a good roast! Someone give this person a crown.

[@caretakercat7176]

Unless you use shells

[@accountnotfound4209]

Is it only me or horizon zero dawn is not that great of a game that people made it to be? Same old generic open world game with crappy story and diologue

[@Weiswolfe]

@@accountnotfound4209 and uglified character for the sake of it

[@P0nderProductions]

You know what's crazy? I've logged 60 hours into this game already and it still feels like I haven't even scratched the surface. I'm a souls vet and a die hard Fromsoft fan. This game is a fucking masterpiece in regard to level design, game play, and art. I think what cements this open world is that From used the dark souls paradigm and just ran with it. The world you're playing in does not give a fuck about you. You are a tiny speck just trying to get gear and git gud. Every victory feels rewarding. Every new area you find feels rewarding. Everything you do feels rewarding because you fought for it.

[@araknidsGrip]

I havent gotten past Margit and yet 11 hours in the sheer scope of the first area is a complete game

[@hellspopcorn1707]

im 150 hours in and still feel that way

[@arisen7163]

ER is overrated horse shit

[@anthonygarcia8373]

@@arisen7163 you’re so different wow 🙂

[@arisen7163]

@@anthonygarcia8373 I'm not trying to be different I'm just speaking the truth

[@JustWhyFFS]

Whenever you do something well, there will be those that feel attacked by it. They'll seem angry towards you. Just remember the true source of their anger: Their own shortcomings

[@SHIRO_111]

It's a shame some developers instead of being happy for the success of others, they get bitter and attacks them, such a shameful behavior on their part

[@3Guys1Video]

*looks at BF2042*

[@thepassingstatic6268]

Shitty attitude reflects shitty culture

[@2D_Stranger]

Publishers probably rushed them and they probably think their hardwork is being overshadowed by our lord and savior FromSoftware(Miyazakiverse)

[@redohealer2]

Some just gotta be like that. *EA blaming Halo Infinite*

[@ricardohoang8452]

@@3Guys1Video Shitty game got published by shitty company with the shittiest culture to the players!

[@MrKrozius]

I'd love to say just one thing to Ubisoft about this issue they seem to have: "You guys make products. From Soft makes games. End of story."

[@TheMaxCloud]

Shitty Products*

[@philkensebben6672]

Well said.

[@GallumArtemi]

games are products, hate to break it to ya. From Soft makes better products.

[@Deadeye129]

@@GallumArtemi When it goes on the shelf, it is a product. The difference is in conception. Ubisoft and From Soft both sell products, but Ubisoft makes them AS products, ripping out the "game" before it can even be put on shelves. But From Soft makes games- they don't ask "how do we make bank" when they start the design process, they ask "how can we give the players an experience they will remember for years to come?" Do they intend to make money? Of course! Do they rip out chunks of content and gameplay to hide it behind a DLC paywall to make even bigger bucks? No. They have the integrity to put out an actual, complete (if imperfect) game before they have the balls to call it a product. THAT is the difference. Integrity.

[@jager8168]

@@GallumArtemi you didn’t understand what he meant. He didn’t deny that games were products, he merely said that Ubisoft makes products that don’t deserve being called a video game but elden ring makes video game products that deserves its praise

[@7topseven7]

The quest design is good you actually need to listen and pay attention. Makes quest feel more satisfying when you complete one.

[@Ace-hj3ei]

Pope turtle gave me so much lore in one sitting I was genuinely surprised that I forgot to buy my thunderbolt incantation😅

[@BugLondon]

Be honest, there is no way you would complete most of them without using the wiki. Even now with the latest patch that allows you to complete Nepheli and Kenneth Haight's quest there is absolutely no indication or clues they would show up where they did. The vagueness is fine in previous souls games where the compactness would push you toward them. Now npc encounters are by accident with the spaces between being so great.

[@7topseven7]

@@BugLondon yes I agree at times it is literally impossible and I hate looking up how to complete a quest but the ones you can complete without having to lookup feels immersive and I love it. We need more information from the npc i dont not want to see a quest log tho

[@generalyousif3640]

@@BugLondon It’s almost impossible to do a complete quest line blind.

[@bazookatooth]

Wild. As far as I've gotten, every "side quest" has just been either a fetch quest, or an excuse for an exposition dump. Both things I'd thought we all agreed were bad design choices long ago?. This is my first experience with a fromsoft game, and it's fanbase, and you all baffle me lol. I am enjoying the game, still. Let's not try so hard

[@pikyso8616]

Elden ring is the first time i’ve been truly sucked into a game since Breath of the Wild, this game is just everything I’ve ever loved about videogames in one gigantic package. I had complaints about the UX in my first 8-10ish hours, but those went away once I began understanding the game better, and soon as I had that realization the game all clicked together and I’ve had an overwhelmingly positive experience since. When you take the time to understand the game’s combat and progression mechanics, it actually works and feels infinitely better and more meaningful than the bs open world design of other games

[@ararune3734]

I'm in the same basket, never played games like this, thought it wouldn't be for me, I was dead wrong. Possibly the best game I've ever played, but I have to say I still do think the controls could be so much better. There's loads of quality of life improvements they could make, and PC gamers were neglected, not even talking about performance issues right now, but they didn't even bother making the UI/UX elements display the PC controls, so you had to guess what button it is on the keyboard. I play with a controller right now, and it displays the keyboard buttons. Surely they can detect you're using a controller and display the appropriate keys. Next, whether you're using keyboard or controller, shifting between weapons/flasks/sorceries/incantations is quite inconvenient, using arrows, really? That should be an easy fix, whichever way they do it, they chose about the worst way of going about it. Either allow custom keybinds for every weapons/spell/flask or make a little wheel that allows quick switch, or both. Other than that, I agree, this is actually the first game that actually feels like open world. I don't have to do anything in any particular order. For all the small complaints I have about the game, I absolutely love it despite all the shortcomings.

[@samzilla567]

Ubisoft Devs complaining about Elden Ring's performance issues is hilarious when you realize there hasn't been a stable Ubisoft game release in nearly a decade.

[@acidous]

just because ubisoft is shit that doesnt mean we should ignore the fact that reviews should reflect technical issues. What's the point of reviewing/scoring anything if review turns into another hype-inducted marketing material?

[@rahulverma8774]

3 words to prove them wrong Assassins creed unity

[@joppekim]

@@acidous I think the point he was trying to make is fix your own game before critisizing others.

[@merkyuk]

I bet ubisoft devs were gasping with their assassins creed unity transparent heads and floating eyeballs.

[@davidcerrato4788]

@@acidous His point flew right over your head. Yong Yea himself said it's okay to criticize the game, it's not perfect. The REAL issue here is how much of a hypocrite all these salty developers are being. They're upset their game is garbage so they shit on other games to make themselves feel better.

[@daviddamasceno6063]

Another thing to be said about Elden Ring is this initial period of discovery. We're all learning the game by trial and error and sharing our experiences. Despite being a single player game for the most part it never really feels like you're playing it alone. The community is always there to give you tips and tricks and tecniques, and if you're stuck in one part or a boss, there is a high chance that other people are struggling as well. That is a very rare feeling in games now a days and I miss that a lot. Even though some moments might feel cheap and unfair, I wouldn't have it any other way.

[@DarkKreig]

The initial period of discovery is what I enjoy the most about open world games. But a lot of them not hold hold your hand but completely restrict you. No you can't go here arbitrary stuff is happening, NO YOU MUST FOLLOW THE CAREFULLY CRAFTED INTRODUCTION.

[@TyrellW]

"The community is always there to give you tips and tricks and tecniques" "git gud" "git" "fort knight" "git gud"

[@celfhelp]

@@TyrellW try fingers, but whole

[@celfhelp]

it's been a blissful experience, finally breaking down and looking a sidequest up, only to find that it's not solved yet, or the sheer lack of summonable players near the endgame exceptional, truly. so glad i got in on this game at launch

[@psychophilosopher3674]

@@celfhelp oh dude, I feel that about endgame, I'm on the last boss and it's just a running simulator lol

[@donaldpriola1807]

From Software respects curiosity and intelligence. It also enchances the player's feeling of discovery. Running to a question mark, or marker is just checking off a list. Also, I never get lost in Elden Ring; it's probably a product of great level design, but also I have to pay attention, and not run to a quest/map marker.

[@MaryArts]

I actually remember every location and nearly every "task". I can talk with my friends about: "If you go there, that happens. Or do you remember when you went there. Wow that was intense" And now I have been playing Genshin Impact for 20 hours now and can barely recognize anything in the open world except the cities. Cause I just run to the checkpoint and that's it.

[@ararune3734]

I mean I got lost plenty of times in tunnels and catacombs, but it felt more like "oh damn, what's out here" instead of "oh no, how do I get out"

[@ararune3734]

@@MaryArts I just made a new character and I realised I remember the locations of most of the stuff I'd find useful for a new start, like golden seed locations, sacred tear, weapons, ashes of war, etc. Actually I could find it all without a map at all

[@vhslofi]

On my 4th playthrough right now, still not bored of the game and still finding new things. About 140 hours in and yes I'm absolutely addicted and been spending almost every single little bit of my free time playing. Feels so refreshing to pay full triple-A price and actually get the full game and not a whole bunch of empty promises

[@daviddruen858]

yea I took a week off work when the game released, played it almost nonstop that whole week, and ever since, I go to work, come home, play Elden Ring. lol it's actually kinda bad.

[@commanderkit-kat9314]

The reason it's so celebrated is because it's the first non disappointing, exceptionally hyped game and lives up to the work and love From Soft poured into it

[@zacksmith5963]

Thats Japanese games for ya

[@attackmanatee02]

I saw so many people saying they hoped it would fail, I guess because they were jealous because of what happened to cyberpunk. I knew fromsoft wouldn't disappoint though. They never do

[@Fafnir2000]

@@attackmanatee02 difference is cdpr made the fake hype around them with false promises where Elden ring done no such cheap tactics. People are keep forgetting Cp77 had 75+ trailers.

[@stevgreaty7541]

You can feel the love they dumped into it. It’s so detailed and well crafted. They blew it out of the park

[@FindingIcarus]

@@Fafnir2000 Yep, plus FromSoft provided a CNT which added to their transparency and credibility.

[@JamiePryke]

There were so many moments in Elden Ring where I literally exclaimed "WOAH, WHAT THE F*** IS THAT? WHERE AM I?? WHAT ARE THOSE!!??!!!". No other open world game right now comes close. Being let loose to just explore is exactly what I wanted from this game, and it's exactly what we got.

[@virtues487]

A certain boss had me literally breathing hard when it was one hit away and I'm on my last flask dodging combos. Not a spoiler per say... but in case you got to the boss it's the one you spawn a mile away from it.

[@axllow3914]

@@virtues487 lmao same I got so nervous at the end

[@Syahburei]

Yeah man! And once i reached that caelin country i was like ‘wth is that stupid ugly looking bird up in that tree! Yo that dog is hideous! Yo wtf there’s a DRAGON!!!!’

[@virtues487]

@@Syahburei I call those dogs and birds Jimmy neutron brain blasts

[@MrSpecterHD]

I was distracted and happily grabbed THE chest on the dragon burnt ruins. I was so confused when I was taken away.

[@HazielBlack]

one thing I love about elden ring is you keep finding reason to go back to the starting areas or old areas to unlock new content over and over gain, and you keep finding stuff in places you thought were complete. its incredible and overwhelming, its like you never run out of stuff to do and if you ever find yourself stuck I recommend one thing, use your map markers, place a marker into an area you think you should come back or has an interesting npc, farming spot or treasure you havent unlocked. it will help you a lot with navigation, my only grudges right now are performance issues and maybe been able to add text or notes in game.

[@daviddruen858]

dude, Stormveil Castle. I have a bad habit of creating new characters and trying different starting builds, finally sticking to a Faith/Dex guy and a Strength/Intelligence guy. But yea, I've scoured Stormveil Castle quite a few times, and I keep finding new things, some of which are very important and easily missed.

[@TheChosenOne9204]

Elden Ring is the first game in a very long time that feels like a video game and not a cash grab of some sort. I feel bad for other studios and you can see the frustration from these devs you can tell they are part of a culture that is about making money and not about making art.

[@yasinachekzai2567]

Man, imagine being so dense, that when you see someone trying something different than you did for years, and being successful with it, your first thought is that they did it wrong and just got lucky. It's scary how brainwashed these developers are. They can no longer even comprehend that their "tried and true" way might not be perfect.

[@jaioncebollero1168]

People get dumber and dumber everyday. I hope they see all these comments.

[@kwoni3337]

I find it funny that they put these tweets out and don't think they'll get flamed when they are clearly in the minority opinion on this game. Like it's twitter dude.

[@randodox8375]

Their thought reflect their workplace culture and it shows how closed minded and egoistic they are. No wonder Ubisoft games nowadays are just re-skin copy and paste game for the million times.

[@keonkla]

@@jaioncebollero1168 Also this is why i really despise when people mindlessly defend developers as if there lives depended on it... no they are human and some are to arrogant to see that sometimes they made a bad product bad game company from the get go or not sometimes Some developers are just bad at there work and they have no excuse. Wish more people could see it this way. Defending devs mindlessly is the same as defending the company, giving excuses for bad or underdeveloped games.

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

@@obiwanjebroni505 Same. They took annual releases as the future of their business, oversaturated the market, and burned out players with too many iterations of the same central formula.

[@armintor2826]

Another thing ive noticed while playing is that dungeons and castles make me genuinely on guard at every turn, like im actualy in enemy territory. Most RPG games, if im ambushed or if i fall into a trap it doesnt matter, 90% of the time i can simply walk away unscathed. But Elden Ring even a commoners backstab can half-health me like it did in Castle Godrick's chambers

[@spartan-1210]

oof I remember peeking round the corner along the wall, one hp and see the massive wind knight. I literally just noped out of there.

[@rampantbuckler818]

im stuck on margit and i blame having only 5 vigor

[@Island_Dragoon]

Facts. Being on guard and not knowing who's friendly and who isn't is awesome. It really keeps you engaged

[@nef36]

Elden Ring is a stealth game before an action game and no one can convince me otherwise.

[@ArtisChronicles]

@@nef36 haha snake time

[@djluckycharmz4901]

Im currently up to 18 hours in the game and I’ve still only truly been exploring limgrave, I love it. The niche tucked away dungeons and random bosses add such a unique experience that makes me want to keep exploring

[@sjirko]

The quote "Elden Ring is daring" is so genius. Fantastic way to put it. "Come, come join us". Masterpiece of a game.

[@crumb5756]

The "quest design" these other developers would subject you to is like a carnival ride. They strap you in and take you along a ride (whether or not you really want to go along), in FromSoft's case I feel the design is more immersive because it leaves you with only the tools your character has (i.e., their surroundings, inventory, map, etc.). Especially when you consider that this is an RPG, you shouldn't be hearing your character mutter solutions or ideas to themselves, you should BE the character.

[@kermeinchara4328]

Message of the day is such a immersion breaker lol

[@DarkKreig]

As the late TotalBiscuit used to say: Collect 10 bear arses. Exactly, any dialogue from the character thinking "i better check that cave" should be in the players head not read out to them. It just makes it feel like you're on a tour. Do this. Don't do that. Look over here. Now look there. Check this. Check that. Press F to pay respects.

[@kermeinchara4328]

@@DarkKreig i havent heard that name in years

[@MrOverTyrant]

Funny how simplier is to pick items in Elden Ring and how annoying is in other open worlds, because of "realism" your character need to completely stop and kneel down to pick it. It might look fine at first but when you need to collect tons of herbs for a mandatory quest is annoying or the typical "do these fetch quest many times to progress"

[@DarkKreig]

@@kaytee7607 it's not even as if they need to remove it completely. At least make it an option that can be toggled on and off like most minimaps can.

[@corsonforcas]

Gotta love how ubisoft manages to get hate without even releasing a game lol

[@tomsin1417]

they deserve all the hate

[@daksans6764]

Gorilla games is jealous because Elden Ring buried all the hype and attention for Horizon forbidden west.

[@carbodude5414]

@@daksans6764 History repeats

[@1LuvMLPFiM]

Hitting a new low

[@mr_indie_fan]

@@1LuvMLPFiM yeah like how they hit a new low by making nfts under the name ubisoft quartz! Fuck nfts!

[@blacksiid93]

Correction Yong: you already can sort your items by order of acquisition... In ps4 or ps5 you only have to press L3 or R3 (depending on your button layout) and press square afterwards to descend or ascend your last items.

[@williamgrimm2452]

Part of what bothers me is it shows they’ve never bothered checking feedback on what people have to say about their games/the bloat of open world games in general. I’ve seen people bring up that Elden Ring removed all the things they’ve been asking games to remove and other developers are like “the audacity to make a game others want to play”

[@someghosts]

They have a process where they bring in players while the game is under development and watch them play the game. When the players make errors or dislike a part of the game they make changes. Assume From software does this too. I don’t think it’s a matter of not listening, I think just what you do with that data that matters.

[@lordeverfrost5627]

I'm not going to lie, not having all the extra UI quest stuff is probably one of my favorite things about the game. I'm not being distracted by a marker that's been preset. I often find myself trying to look at the landmarks on the map and setting my own markers when I see something that looks like it's a mine or a building structure I haven't visited yet.

[@corrinflakes9659]

Honestly I think open world marker dumping is a design flaw. Talk about over-whelming the senses.

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

@@corrinflakes9659 well how else are you gonna mark places of interest on the map

[@corrinflakes9659]

@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 You don't. Topographic layouts and location names as flavor text can be good enough. I don't need to know where all the damn pigeon quests are, just hint the pigeons in the overworld as I pass them.

[@corrinflakes9659]

@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 You mark them as soon as you've passed them up close or completed the quests.

[@lshanksy1]

@@corrinflakes9659 depends on the game, works for some, doesn't for others. One important fact is the more reused assests(not a dig!) the more helpful the direction is in open world games

[@Nowaylarry]

FromSoft has a mind set of respecting their player's cognitive functions. Something the video game industry as a whole has forgotten to do for over a decade now. Also, Ubisoft criticizing another developer's game is hilarious to me. As a side note, graphics have never mattered. The visual design however does.

[@yqisq6966]

Big titles nowadays offers two contradicting features: top graphics and a flat UI for you to stare at lol

[@spartan_a1176]

Yeahh they try to act like they are the big AAA games when tbh they are more like B or C level games they make and not high quality ones

[@galfinsp7216]

I’d thought of visual design as aesthetics, but the point still stands. As one person said: graphics are meant to serve aesthetics.

[@yurichtube1162]

They killed Assassins creed.

[@lilkwarrior5561]

It's not either-or when it comes to graphics and visual design. They compliment each other. That is why it's frustrating to some that Nintendo games are underserved exercising brilliant visual designed handicapped by archaic hardware. It's passable the experience of their games without a doubt because their stellar visual design. FromSoftware games look good graphics wise for the complexity they involve + modern hardware. Many gamers are just happy they modest hardware can run their games on their consoles/PC to focus on what matters more: The things you can do to interactively be entertained.

[@RJRed]

Difference between common open world games and Elden ring, is that in Elden Ring, finding something that's made you investigate and figure out(Even the smallest of things), feels much more rewarding rather than just following a pin marker that legitimately makes you feel like you're doing a chore. Which is exactly why Elden Ring strived as an open world game.

[@ScaryCasper96]

I loved the quest design here. it felt much more satisfying having a pocket notebook next to me and being able to complete quests from the locations and details I wrote down on my own, rather than having markers telling me where to go

[@devalere2823]

Elden Ring tells you "Could something else be here? You'll never know unless you explore". While Ubisoft tells you "All markers have been visited, move towards the microtransactions citizen."

[@__Poindexter__]

Seeing all the ghosts running around and all the messages just makes you feel like a part of some great pilgrimage for the Elden Ring. It's awesome. There have been too many stale and sanitized multiplayer releases recently. People just want a real experience and not some broken, manufactured, cookie-cutter garbage. Not to mention that after 2 years of pandemic BS, a good open world game hits like nothing else.

[@blitz3dmusic]

This is my first souls game (only 6 hours in). As a newbie, reading the messages really warmed my heart. Seems like people are genuinely encouraging and helpful. Also yes this is a hard game and I've died countless times already but the game never makes you feel alone. Its so comforting to see all the bloodstains and know like damn I'm not the only one struggling out here lol. GoTY!

[@naoiwatani8402]

@@blitz3dmusic finger but hole. if only I had a seed.

[@rory9088]

I nearly quit the game when I couldn’t defeat the first major boss, then I spent two hours just running around reading messages, returned and killed him. Best part of the game hands down.

[@HALOGUYZ567]

@@blitz3dmusic Could this be a hidden passage...?

[@MudkipPog]

The game is literally "cookie cutter garbage" as you say. The combat and overall gameplay formula is virtually unchanged from dark souls that came out in 2011. Literally name one new idea that elden ring has brought to the gaming industry. You can't.

[@alirogers123]

Elden ring literally got me back into gaming. I've never felt so compelled to explore an open world and engage with it.

[@GreyRush]

Elden ring is the first and only open world game that made unlocking a new chunk of the map felt...well; like anything really. and it felt *good* seeing how much the map expanded out, and seeing ruins and buildings on the map that might be holding something powerful for me actually engaged me. I looked forward to it rather than just being like "oh okay time to climb a tower again" Do people even die in other open world games? I mean that sincerely, not just once or twice, but regularly? Does getting stronger in assassins creed even feel like anything?

[@Cheesus-Sliced]

Ya most other games seem afraid to kill you. I shouldn't be able to take over the castle in assassin's Creed brotherhood (I think it was) with little to no difficulty right at the start of the game.

[@zornstein_-9472]

Coolest feeling ever is finding a random ass cave and finding a weapon you love in there and maining it

[@reijishian2593]

Horizon: Zero Dawn will mercilessly kill you over and over and over on the hardest difficulty. I imagine Forbidden West is probably the same.

[@Cheesus-Sliced]

@@reijishian2593 ya, and they will also forcibly give hints for even the most obvious of things.

[@reijishian2593]

@@Cheesus-Sliced I thought you could customize guidance level?

[@DoomsdayMayBeOkay]

Elden Ring actually has a old school feeling that i missed so much in a open world, i couldn't be happier with its design.

[@tenjenk]

Which is why its exasperating when people like dr disrespect seemingly expect Asassins Creed style gameplay

[@GiblixStudio]

agreed. modern day convenience and handholding ease has made gamers lazy and stupid. so many forum posts made it clear people can't "play" if they're not being played by manipulative guiding quest design that leads you to all locations. Accompanied by markers to make it even easier. Not mentioning people not being able to do quests, explore and solve secrets without massive arrows doing it for them. I love older zelda, ultima, wizardry etc where gamers were respected to think for themselves and just go and explore and experience an actual adventure. I find old game design refreshing in today's generic copy paste world.

[@martmine4618]

Who cares about dr disrespect? He wanted halo to have a fucking battle royale and was mad af that it didnt have one.

[@7dayspking]

It plays like Dark souls.

[@7dayspking]

@@tenjenk Not enjoying Elden ring doesn't automatically mean wanting Assassin's creed.

[@ryuranzou]

Oh man I'm so excited to hear what ubisoft said about this. "This game doesn't even have towers you climb to unlock the map wtf" "Where are all the outposts you capture with an amazing stealth system of blind guards?"

[@puddingcatsteamboat6393]

i can agree with the first part but the outpost captures are some of my favorite things to do in Ubisoft games and i often quit playing them after i’ve done them all because the main quests usually aren’t as fun as figuring out how to take down every enemy in a giant camp. if Elden Ring had outposts like that in it I honestly wouldn’t mind at all. the very first enemy encampment you encounter outside the castle in Elden Ring felt a little like that and i loved it, and Elden Rings AI is hilariously blind unless you are standing directly in front of them.

[@nicholassorensen9035]

Ubisoft games…. Capture this outpost. Climb this tower. Do it with a gun. Do it with a gun in A different environment with a higher numeric title. Now do it with a sword. Do it with a sword in a different environment with a new word after the title. Now annualize, and monetize. Aren’t we good at this? Oh, rainbow six siege is making money, let’s make the same game but against aliens with less content, slap a new title on it and watch the idiots pay for it. The last good assassins creed was Black Flag, the last good Far Cry was 2, maybe 3. The last good Rainbow Six was hands down Vegas 2. A creatively bankrupt company, clinging to the same IPs that once made them great, while instituting changes ONLY with money in mind. Not creativity or fun. Once a company experiences success, they all seem to follow the same path, or get bought up by someone who will force them down the same path. They need to remember they were once a small studio making quality games with talented individuals, just like From Soft. Instead of crapping on them, maybe take notes. If I spent all my money on McDonald’s and cigarettes, but got mad at the dude who saved and bought a house… is the dude who saved the idiot because I refused to change my ways? Nope. Not to anyone who isn’t an imbecile. Want to know why people buy annualized games? Because they’re bored to tears of your game a year later. Elden Ring will be being enjoyed for many years to come,with hundreds of hours of genuine diversity in playthroughs and builds, new discoveries, and ACTUAL entertaining gameplay. Ghost recon used to be a hard game, so did rainbow six, now it’s an arcade game. Elden Ring is difficult, almost like it’s intentionally catering to adults who have jobs and can spend money, not petulant children who use mom and dads credit cards to get a new hat in the game. Get a clue. Rant over.

[@aeternusdoleo4531]

"Where are the three thingies to take to the three somesuch to unlock the next quest so you can get three thingies again?"

[@cosmic2750]

Although I would say that the stealth AI is still not the best in Elden Ring though. Like, yeah, enemies will hunt you down, but they would eventually stop if you leave their visual cones for a bit of time. I still love the game, and I think that stealth wasn't really like, a very major focus like it was in Sekiro, but still. It is still 100x better than Ubisoft's stealth AI though, and I think that really means something.

[@tradeka4206]

@@cosmic2750 especially considering Ubisoft has an entire series of games about being A FUCKING ASSASSIN. It’s called assassins creed and y’all can’t make the stealth good? Ubisoft is literally the worst developer, I hate their garbage games

[@ManoredRed]

It feels like a lot of devs buy into the "players have the attention spam, memory and intelligence of goldfish" mentality and so overbloat their games with tutorials, markers, todo lists, shiny things to collect along the way, etc. In doing so they end up alienating all the players that find that hand-holding annoying, which turns out to be a lot. I prefer it when games don't even have a tutorial, just an ingame guide I can optionally read if I want.

[@ararune3734]

Well I liked the fact Elden Ring has a tutorial area at the start, without it I would've never played a melee character. Also they should've made some descriptions of what each attribute does, how am I supposed to know what Arcane does? Ok vigor and strength seem quite straightforward, but are you telling me people should just know what arcane does?

[@ManoredRed]

@@ararune3734 I haven't played Elden Ring yet but I agree that Souls games should explain their stats better. Specially because there are hidden soft and hard caps. I recommend looking at the wiki's stat page when levelling in a souls game, to become aware of these things.

[@ararune3734]

@@ManoredRed Oh I even forgot about soft and hard caps, another thing I wouldn't have even considered had I not randomly stumbled upon it in a video. And to top it off, different stats have different soft caps. Given how it's not so easy to reset your attributes (I won't spoil anything for you if you end up playing), I'm just not going to invest time trying to figure out these stats minmaxing strategies myself. What's fascinating is even though I could come up with 50 things that annoyed me about this game, I still just absolutely love it and have already spent about 80hrs playing and I feel I could easily spend 3 times that, haven't even beaten the game yet. I mean I could've tried but honestly don't wanna rush it. First game in forever where I'm not too eager to go to the end game asap

[@ManoredRed]

@@ararune3734 While I haven't played this game yet, I feel the same way about the souls series in general, particularly Dark Souls 1. I could list countless flaws and yet it was one of the best games I ever played.

[@XxToxictotheYeti]

At 4:20 You were talking about having a quick select wheel thing for items, it's not perfect but if you put stuff in your pouch it acts in that kind of way.

[@edisontrent618]

Honestly, I prefer it because I don't have to look, I can just do the quick button combo and use the item. I always have the poison (or whatever status effect is in the area) curing item and my horse whistle on there, and then either buff items or my utility items, depending on how difficult the area is.

[@Shandok]

I've heard this complaint about a lack of recent items page a few times as of late. If you're in your inventory, you can press L3 to sort by recent acquisitions.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

Pro tip. @YongYea needs to see this

[@webbowser8834]

That's actually really nice to know. There are a few points where the game could improve on clarity of UI. For example there still is no option to compare armor/weapons in the store with currently your equipped armor/weapon, a staple for the RPG genre that has been around for decades. It's also not obvious that upgrading shields upgrades stability like it does in previous titles because many shields gain a fraction of a point of stability per upgrade level, meaning they often don't get an increase in stability until +2. I'll also say that for a same that has so *many* upgrade tiers, the game is really stingy about handing you upgrade mats, especially compared to DS 3 where they just showered you with titanite shards. Honestly kinda weird, you'd think they'd be more generous with upgrade mats due to how many weapons there are and how open world the game is.

[@yabadabadoone473]

This is so helpful thank you!

[@aidanmaloney7223]

@@webbowser8834 im not have a problem with materials. If you are explore the mines you will get plenty they are marked as a red and black spot on the map. Also if you go to the mine east of Raya Lucaria you can find an item that will let you purchase level 1 and 2 smithing stones at the round table

[@aliqzakry834]

bump

[@jerryjohns5119]

I’m just pleasantly surprised a game with so much hype from fans is actually being lived up to for once.

[@3Guys1Video]

🤨

[@762x69]

*Cyberbug has left the chat*

[@spookzie4208]

They definitely didn't disappoint. There's things to criticize about the game for sure but so far it's lived up to the hype.

[@memewithinameme35]

Didn't Ubisoft accuse Guerilla of copying their games too?

[@znspyder]

You never go wrong with a souls game, also the staff of elden ring are basically gods.

[@zodak.02]

I can only praise FromSoftware for breaking the formula and opening more possibilities for future games. I can’t believed some developers dissed instead of learning to give better overall experience. They should be ashamed to criticize a game for being different.

[@razaiel3688]

A"good" quest system is needed when you need to give ppl direction and something to do. I've not once while playing this game in 70+ hours thought man I just don't know what I'm going to do next. Me and my buddies will be exploring an area and we're just finding stuff till we get shot or stabbed or mauled and that is so much more engaging than it sounds on paper bc the enemy design and world design carry it

[@tony8076]

Very much this. I'll be doing one thing I really want to do (like finding more spells as a mage, finding Tower Rise solutions) and then get completely side tracked and suddenly remember I never found the solution to that Rise i started looking for 4 hours ago lmao.

[@almassryjazaa1945]

"Will be exploring an area and we're just finding stuff till we get shot or stabbed or mauled" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I swear this describes one of the things that I love about this game

[@saphired02]

I found my self saying that after I beat it the first time. But then I was like I'll just start a new game. And boom not bored anymore.

[@geordiejones5618]

Best part about these games is talking to someone and then hours later finding them somewhere else and realizing you did exactly what they wanted without remembering. The "follow marker to complete objective" cliche is just not fun anymore. I would much rather explore for the sake of exploring not to complete a checklist.

[@MaryArts]

Exactly: world design Which is what Devs tend to forget. You can lead a player without quests and narrow one way paths. Of course it requires a little intuition and experience on the player's side but Devs can create studies or ask beta testers if they have a good time finding their path through the world. Until you defeat Godrick, the path is super clear without being narrowed down. After that you can do whatever you like, while still being drawn to the bestest places, like seeing the Academy or the castles in the distance. You know what to do. Or getting to the destroyed bridge beside stormveil castle. You find a path and it leads you to the north. You didn't give up at the bridge and no one told you to go that path, but you thought: "Hmm, that platform looks like it leads somewhere I think. Lets look further into it" World Design is very veeeeery difficult and usually Devs tend to either make the world directionless or make you go through paths that are closed off in all but one direction. When the Devs critizise Elden Ring, they definitelly don't get what is making it great: Character and World Design.

[@yourpalsammy9773]

There's something to be said about developers who, rather than learn from their peers, decide to talk crap instead. Criticism is one thing. This is just being bitter about another peer's success, which is some silly stuff I expect from a grade school child.

[@kennymuller3115]

Honestly that „good ux“ picture is so cluttered to shit it would ruin the whole exploration and ubisoft devs shit talking a game for performance/stability and ux design is so fucking peak. i remember how surprised people where back when i grabbed ac unity on sale and didn’t have a bunch of bugs and issues while playing. As for the quest stuff i‘d agree to like a log of the ones you found with the hints the npcs gave you since there is so much going on in elden ring compared to ds. im also constantly finding more its hard to keep track. but other than that it’s a whole lot more interesting than all the linear quests you get usually in open world games.

[@skywoofyt5375]

@@kennymuller3115 *opens notepad on a new window*

[@reganbrannigan3006]

No wonder so many games are starting to feel very similar when there are developers like these with views like this. Elden Ring is certainly not my type of game, and the comment about PC performance is very fair, but the entire feeling and design of the game is exactly what the industry needs more of.

[@Shadaaala]

I rather have a shitty performance in a wonderful game then a good performance in a shitty game.

[@danny90099]

How about have good performent in good game

[@DieterPrivate]

So true. I feel the "hurt" because this game doesn't get less points due to the performance issues because it's a souls game. But all other remarks are purely jalousie. Games are becoming the same these days, and we do need more variation. I really don't like souls games, but I applaud variation. It's why I love Nintendo and all those Japanese studios.

[@jcornman24]

At least for me performance has greatly improved since launch

[@ilhamadigunawan5264]

@@danny90099 that's just wishful thinking in this day and age sadly

[@johndoe-sh6bi]

Like many have stated, people(myself very much included) are having more fun with this game than they have had in a very long time. The game is simply a masterpiece and I am starting to seriously think it is the greatest game ever made.

[@atomicbetrayal1]

One thing I absolutly love about Eldenring is the fact that there are (most of the time) more then just that one solution to a problem. So you want to get to this Boss? Well you can either try to fight on the obvious path, or look for a more hidden path and sneak by or maybe find a shortcut. Combine that with the UX not telling you anything and you got yourself a game where you can actually explore in a way you want to, instead of beeing baby sitted through. And the only time the game actually does drop you a clue is in form of grace traces that show you a vague direction. The rest is up to the player. I can't say much for PvP though, since I purely started playing Eldenring for the exploring part (while occasionally joining a friend in boss fights).

[@ManiaMac1613]

The PVP is horrendously unbalanced, though that's par for the course in Souls games

[@valek8331]

Yeah PvP is very unbalanced, but it's fun when it works.

[@oocelot3040]

The lack of visual clutter on the screen is something I really appreciate! Just exploring or setting your own markers makes the exploration so much more satisfying. I was initially annoyed that I couldn't defeat the first boss on my first attempt, but it actually got me to just start exploring the world, which turned out to be much more rewarding.

[@rory9088]

It’s almost like telling the player exactly how to do a quest or exactly what to do makes the only difficult part of the game travelling.

[@Volker_A4]

The auto hiding UI is a wonderful feature in Elden Ring.

[@lmahu6627]

Fr the "good UX" looks so cluttered.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

I personally prefer the full UI being shown as it does look good now after the changes made from Network Test, and also because I'm used to it from Souls

[@12gagegaming43]

I personally keep the UI on all the time because I'm paranoid I'll forget stuff

[@HH-hd7nd]

Volker Personally I prefer to see the UI actually. Thankfully it can be activated in the menu. However - the PC port has its issues. One example: Why the bloody hell do I have to use the piss poor rotating through my items like when using a controller instead of being able to bind my items to hotkeys. In short - they did a very poor job with the PC controlls. Instead of developing optimized controlls for mouse&keyboard and making use of all the advantages they have we are stuck with controlls that still feel like a f...ing controller. They should also integrate a comparison between equipment. Especially when in a shop there's no way to compare the items on offer to what you have and that's really annoying. That said - the game is awesome, its just that there's room for improvement.

[@MeowLesty]

*proceeds to chug a flask instead of dismounting cause i forgot what quick item i had in use*

[@fioafionawright8604]

It’s pretty wild, layers on layers of undiluted insanity, only improvements I’d make are mounts/mobility, and spell utilitys because magic isn’t just throwing energy, but besides that, it’s a perfect rPg, with near infinite replay-ability, it’s not easy to make cheesing feel like an achievement or repeatedly losing your progress legitimately enjoyable.

[@Nyathalieh]

Elden Ring makes you feel like you've accomplished something after you finish a quest or beat a "surprise" boss which is great compared to many of the new games that make you feel like you were dragged to the next cutscene.

[@geraldposter1496]

I'd say one of elden rings strengths is that it feels more like an actual open world. Having quest trackers, having your map show recommended levels, enemies having markers indicating relative difficulty, makes it feel like you're being funneled down a specific path. Exploration isn't really encouraged in that way. In elden ring, when I was low level I stumbled into caelid, did my best to progress through it, made a decent way and eventually made the decision for myself to come back later. I COULD continue because while the enemies were hard they weren't impossible. But I realized I was out of my depth. I didn't look at a map and go "oh guess I shouldn't go there yet", or see skull markers over enemy names. It was in itself a form of discovery, and discovery is what makes the idea of an open world appealing.

[@RyuKazeko]

I really believe the decision to put Caelid near the early areas was "Ha ha Fuck you" decision LMAO.

[@rodryguezzz]

That's because in Elden Ring there are reasons to explore. The game is hard and has all sorts of cool weapons, items and bosses. Exploring is the only way to find those. Why would you explore in a game like Far Cry when you can use every random machine gun to kill everyone? Good luck beating Elden Ring with early weapons and no upgrades. Or in Assassin's Creed Odyssey, where you can pick any random weapon and upgrade it to your current level, making most weapons feel the same. Also, there's no point in getting stronger because enemies scale with your character. There is no real progression except when devs want.

[@Cheesus-Sliced]

@@RyuKazeko it's a lesson like the tree sentinel is. You have access to everything, and you make the choice what you do, but some things will be harder than others. It's your choice to confront that or retreat.

[@ott6428]

All I want is a quest log. Can't remember if it was Rannla or Rennala who wanted me to go to some place with the wolf guy, I went there, didn't see him after thorough search, can't remember what she even wanted. Did find a boss down there, but where to find her now? In the end I'm probably just going to miss the rest of this questline. Worked great for games like Outer Wilds. Don't need a marker, just maybe a short line of text. Absolutely loving this game but there are some really shoddy flaws.

[@footlongfabo]

I agree. Elden Ring reminds me a lot of Ocarina of Time in the way quests are handled. It’s the first game since OoT that has the same quality IMO. Definitely refreshing

[@PythonPlusPlus]

I really like how Elden Ring does quests. It feels more rewarding to discover a quest line for yourself rather being told to go do this and that. It’s less intrusive on the experience, and makes your time in the game feel more like an adventure rather than a game.

[@donk6084]

the best is then forgetting about it bc you have no idea where to go, then later on talking to someone and finishing it lol

[@megaavonaco9954]

@@donk6084 really do wish they had some sort quest log because it’s hard to keep track of this when it’s an open world.

[@daltonv5206]

Yep. Makes me think of way back in EverQuest before people knew where to go or who to talk to...you had to figure it out yourself. Connect the dots. Think. That draws you into the world. Rather than run from gold exclamation point to exclamation point

[@mmileymiley15]

@@megaavonaco9954 i agree. love the game this is my only problem so far, no knowing things about quests i’m on, ruining quests without even realizing. i found sellen chained up but i wasn’t at that point in the quest yet, so she would talk to me. someone put a message in front of her “try heavy attack”, i didn’t even know it was sellen bc i thought she was still in the waypoint ruins you find her at originally. so i thought if i killed this person i’d get some cool item for my mage and i killed her, only to find out later that i fucked up:/ it would be cool if i even knew i was on a quest in the first place lmao

[@PythonPlusPlus]

@@megaavonaco9954 Maybe not a quest log, but rather a conversation log.

[@nobodyjustbrad2750]

Hey Yong, you can sort your inventory by Recent Items by clicking the (I believe) left stick. When you pick up an item, the box shows a symbol to the left of the item that shows what tab the item falls under as well.

[@EnderCorePL]

"Press X to activate Tarnished sense" and 16th of the screen covered with microtransations pitch got me the most lol

[@ssj4rit]

I hope more open worlds move away from a minimap. Ghost of Tsushima and Elden Ring are 100% right in having the world guide the player rather than a GPS system.

[@PanduPoluan]

Some people are hopelessly lost though. Adding an _optional_ auto-drawing, annotatable map would probably help greatly. Probably something like Project Zomboid's map, which you can annotate over in every which way you want.

[@MegaGil08]

@@PanduPoluan Thats takes away from putting the player in a position of feeling lost. Thats a huge element of FromSoft games. It fosters a sense of self improvement through trial and error.

[@rafaelmusacchio5257]

I disagree, the winds work like a lot a traditional gps system in open world games, I daresay that is even more clearer than some highlighted paths in other open world games

[@tomgu2285]

Ghost of Tsushima is a realy bad example since it literally is also just a ubisoft type game.

[@weybye91]

@@PanduPoluan in Elden Ring you need to look for land marks, just as you do without knowing it IRL

[@jaz-yman4286]

I feel like I am actually discovering things, actually exploring and doing what I want not what the devs want to railroad me into. I make my own adventure, not letting a waypoint dictate my adventure

[@shieldphaser]

Mm. Most open world games these days are stretched and empty purely for the sake of being able to advertise "an open world so-an-so large". Whenever there's something to do, you end up with a quest pointer towards it, so it turns into an exercise of "home in on the marker through the copy-pasted lands", which isn't very interesting.

[@jazeenharal6013]

Me too

[@XenosZombie]

The funny thing is Elden Ring does have a waypoint via the graces pointing towards a boss. The game also teaches you that when you hit a roadblock, it's alright to stop progressing that way and just explore other regions and come back when you're more prepared. From Soft did an excellent job balancing that, and making it obvious.

[@landfillao4193]

And that's exactly what Forbidden Blake is completely oblivious too. His idea of quest design is an in-game notebook and a waypoint.

[@GallumArtemi]

@@shieldphaser facts.

[@Faggydoo]

"Ubisoft devs hate it" That's just good marketing

[@lanco5865]

yeah, ubisoft should make a list of games they are really hatin, soo i know what to play xD

[@RaethFennec]

On the topic of the UX. There actually is a recent items option. You can change the sorting option to acquisition. You also get 4 directional quick slots, and 2 menu quick slots so you kinda already have an item wheel. Not the sort of 8-way wheel we're used to, but there is one!

[@fiammaorsmth9840]

I am genuine when I say that I believe that Ubisoft's open-world game design has had catastrophic effects on both game design and the mindsets of people.

[@codyallen43]

Nah, people realize they've stagnated and that style of open world is falling out of favor. The fact that games like BotW and Elden Ring exist prove there are still plenty of great, innovative developers out there.

[@punishersnake4888]

i agree with you 100% Open World games are hard to pull off right... the Ubisoft openworld model makes my eyes bleed anymore... its hard for me to play games like that...

[@ZeroDurability]

Yes. It has oversaturated the market with open-world games with a ton of collectibles and half-assed sidequests. Now are the Ubisoft games awful? No they are decent but I view them like dessert. Once in a while is fine and I want mindless stuff to checkoff a list but only one at a time. They have just over done the hell out of it.

[@Lazycandle]

I hate to compare it but final fantasy15 is basically what not to do with an open world A big map with a whole lot of nothing

[@jacksonmcmillen3209]

@@Lazycandle absolutely, I think they’re the two ends of the bad spectrum. One with two much worthless stuff going on and the other with two much nothing going on. Personally I really like where elden ring sits with there’s not wayyy too much going on, but what is fills special yet not absolutely crucial. It encourages exploring and rewards it and makes me have like actually special moments discovering stuff.

[@bananasmoussestachio9017]

As a DnD player, Elden Ring is really the adventure I always fantasize about. I'm given nothing. I have to figure everything myself and all enemies even the weak ones can easily kill me if I'm careless (running a Dex/Int/Faith build). I love it.

[@Svoorhout85]

I heard this description before. "This is the game ive been fantasizing about since I was a kid!" Thats really telling

[@maudley]

@@Svoorhout85 telling of what?

[@ShinKamaitachi]

Ditto

[@chrislloyd2589]

I think it’s the game a lot of people were hoping for since they were kids, me included. Being brought up on zelda TP and lord of the rings it was always my dream and it’s finally here! 100 hours in and havent even beaten the game

[@cosmic2750]

Btw, just one small tip: Don't spread yourself out too thin. Dex/Int/Faith didn't go well with me, you'd be missing out on the full potential of the good weapons/staff.

[@ironwolf1689]

If you hold down Y on your controller it brings up your pouch which lets you have 2 different quick use tabs for items the pouch is in the top right of your menu UI so put other items you need there, and if you hold the D pad down it defaults to your first item in your item slots on the bottom. Hope that helps and makes sense ❤ Edit: You can also tweak your graphical settings to help with your performance in advance settings if thats giving you issues

[@xelldincht4251]

i read that the quest design what we see in Elden Ring was quite common in older MMOs like Everquest 1

[@MaverickHunterXZA]

"This daring and vague adventure" This, right here, is the magic ingredient. Since the franchise heavily relies on player skill and not just metrics, there's always room for improvements and countless "I did it!" moments for the players. And because it's vague, everyone has their own adventure, which lends itself beautifully to share it. It's a much more personal experience and based on the numbers, it shows that it's something not just consumed and tossed aside.

[@johnsullivan937]

Exactly. I remember when lots of games in the industry kept the main character vague/mysterious. Master chief a prime example. The devs understood back then that the more ambiguous the character was, the easier it is for the player to insert themself into the main characters role and really feel a connection with the game. Nowadays every damn game needs 4 hours of artsy fartsy cutscenes that explain in overwhelming detail every aspect of a characters life. Its like they've forgotten we are playing games, not watching a movie.

[@immahFIRINmahlazah]

Everyone else “I did it” Me “I wanna go home” Good game though im wnjoying just gettin my ass beat lol

[@DolusVulpes]

@@johnsullivan937 considering so many games shoot for exact realism, use movie camera angles for all their cutscenes, and describe themselves as "cinematic", I'd say you've hit the nail on the head. They want players to experience the game they want it to be experienced, completely missing the point of games as a medium in the process.

[@novanoir8309]

When the game is just so challenging that you can actually feel that accomplishment, it's a rush of dopamine that hard to describe.

[@yqisq6966]

Yeah and there are so many different strategies and choices to make. Everyone's first playthrough experience is going to be unique.

[@hb8822]

Got elden ring and can't stop playing, there is so much exploring to do and so much to find. Collecting runes and leveling up is so addicting. Died alot in the beginning but now I'm starting get through the dungeons killing the bosses, cutting down huge bears and larger enemies. Getting ready to face Margit the first harder boss. This is my first Souls like game.

[@CryptidKion]

My first souls game too, Margit took me 3 days to beat, I would fight him several times, give up to explore around Limgrave and level up, come back to get my butt handed to me several more times and repeat. Eventually I found a rhythm and came out on top. Literally cheered when it happened. Most fun I've had on a game in forever

[@NickHunter]

Margit is really tough, even by Soulsborne standards. Glad you're enjoying the game and welcome to the francise :)

[@kamikazelemming1552]

@@CryptidKion Yeah, that's pretty much what I did, too. After failing to kill him multiple times, I would always head back out into the open world and farm runes and whatever enemy drops might be able to help me kill him (started as a Wretch, so I really needed something heavier than a wooden club to fight this guy). Finally managed to kill him today, after seven hours of total playtime, and let me tell you, it wasn't an easy fight.

[@peytonalexander5300]

If you still feel like you're struggling against Margit, the wolf summon is your best friend. My friends and I have started calling them "the distraction pack" because they're really good at distracting big bosses and letting you get some solid hits in. They're also really good for applying small but constant damage so that you can try to break poise quicker for more criticals.

[@hounsdjentlow3074]

@@peytonalexander5300 this im a newcom,er to the series but have been doing the same and it has really really helped

[@cl4192]

Things I wish I knew sooner: Recent inventory sort: press L3 while in inventory menu Quick wheel: holding down or up on the controller Dpad will quick jump to first item in the wheel. You can also equip a pouch to quick grab 4 items. You can load it from the top right of the equipment menu. Round table fast travel: in the map hit triangle, square, X Jump off torrent: hit L3

[@GenLiu]

Actually the quest design in Elden ring is flat out genius IMO. Before the game came out, I was worried about it, since it's Fromsoft's first open-world but man did they nailed it. It's crazy too, they managed to make things engaging and fun with the bare minimum of setup. As you mentioned, it's merely about paying attention to what the NPCs say, your surroundings, etc., but it works. At no point do I feel bored running around the world (and the same cannot be said for many open-world RPG, that's for sure). The choice of not holding the player's hand being a key ingredient to that. Because no markers are telling you where to go and because your character doesn't give you clues of what you're supposed to be doing, the player is encouraged to look around. Another thing that explains Elden ring success, I think, is the balancing of the game. Fromsoft have always been masters at balancing their games but their talent shines even brighter with Elden ring. If I take Forbidden west, for example, the game is amazing but the balancing is out of the window. The encounters are very chaotic, for the most part, with each enemy having essentially access to similar tools (close range, anti-flanking maneuver, long-range attacks...). The game is tactical thanks to the genius machine parts system but every encounter kinda feels the same (shoot the part you need, dodge the shot, roll a lot...). Fromsoft design their games in such a way that the difficulty comes from a million different directions. Once, you'll be fighting one tough enemy, next a swarm of tiny monsters easy to kill but deadly if they overwhelm you. Then you can be facing archers, or fall into a trap. Enemies can ambush you in many different ways, which reward players for paying attention to their surroundings, sometimes the environment itself is your enemy... The experience feels engaging and fresh all the way to the end and that's a huge advantage compared to many other games and a big factor that pushed this game to the top (deservingly so).

[@ssss6572]

That image of what Elden Ring would look like if it was a typical open world game speaks volumes. I am so grateful that FromSoft stuck to their guns and created the game they wanted, while also evolving the Soulsborne formula to meet modern expectations.

[@StolenPw]

people stopped calling them soulsbrone for a long time as bloodborne is clearly a one off

[@CrazieSilver-Tongue]

Aye, while some may like the idea of similarity of how a game feels as far as quality of life stuff, I at least prefer when I can go from one game to another and how it feels to be quite different. In the sense of how you equip your items, how you scroll through your quick slots, weapon changes, how you attack, such and so forth. Tis just my opinion at least, for when games feel too similar to each other, I do not feel as though I am in a different world of fantasy if that makes sense. Same thing but different coat of paint in short.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

And it's not even exaggerated that much, it pretty much just looks like ubisofts immortals fenyx rising

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

@@CrazieSilver-Tongue I think the setting, world design, new mechanics, updates to old mechanics, and the clear animation upgrades over DS3 make Elden Ring stand out on its own. More like going from Twilight Princess to BotW, or from Super Metroid to Dread, than say, last year's Assassin's Creed to this year's AC.

[@pagatryx5451]

@@StolenPw Wha?

[@mightquinnable]

Elden ring is one of the few games that made me go “what the hell is that” “what is this” “where am I”. It’s a awesome feeling cause some games don’t do that Edit: that UX joke is perfect

[@TheRedCap30]

Exactly, it actually feels like an adventure. Not a carnival ride

[@jhm3346]

And don’t forget “am I supposed to be here”

[@tremor230]

My favorite is "What the fuck happened here?" When I see strange ruins or entire fields of corpses still smoking. The Village of the dancing hags had me in a fixed WTF expression 🤣

[@gaminggaming.6071]

@@tremor230 man that chest in the tower of return was just breathtaking

[@draw2death421]

Yeah i remember my first time visiting caerid and seeing those giant bird demons for the first time and seeing hordes of undead and giant demonic dogs eating corpses and the music itself too filled me with fear. I was so scared tbh of the place! I love elden ring.

[@Black-Dawg-Jesus]

The average quest design from a senior quest designer on Twitter: Base: Always have a marker on the map to guide the player. At the marker you will find... a) An NPC who will update your map marker b) 1 strong enemy which you have to kill c) X weak/normal enemies which you have to kill d) 1 unique item you have to collect e) X normal items you have to collect After finishing this you just need to return to the quest giver. Did you read all of the above? Congratulations. You can now apply for a senior quest designer position in any AAA studio. Here is your certificate.

[@erkhardtify]

I like the freeform gameplay of elden ring. It's not just, "go kill (x) creatures, or go collect (x) items." I use the markers to remember places I need to return to or npcs/quests that need attention. Its a challenging game, yes, but even that can be mitigated somewhat with grinding (if you choose to do so) and optimizing your items when you can. Much like you said, it's more of a "create your own adventure" type of game that bucks open world trends common in today's games.

[@SafetyFooT]

I had no idea how refreshing it could be to not have to constantly spam an environmental scan button. If you look, you'll find things without them needing to be pinged by your character's magical spidey sense.

[@Erlisch1337]

So refreshing. I want to actually explore and not let the game do it all for me....

[@Billybohilly]

Agree. Only issue for me is that there is so much you will miss if you don't look up a boss or quest guide. But this shows how confident devs are that they are willing for players to miss so much content to keep authentic exploration experience.

[@Mr_DE_0395]

Sometime, it can also be a trap, But sometime if you then kill The "trap" you'll get the reward too, kind of a roller coaster of emotion right there, I love it

[@RedLeader1998]

@@Billybohilly Screw those NPC questlines though, so blasted vague most of the time. How are you supposed to know Alexander will be there after Radahn? Especially if you went to Lucaria before Caelid.

[@Billybohilly]

@@RedLeader1998 my run of the game is taking forever going through all them and all mini bosses. Yeah you literally need a guide. There is one where you literally have to find a random message sign in Lyndell and do a spell it tells you at that spot. Literally impossible without a guide to know.

[@prattyv9208]

This makes me buy elden ring even more, for my family, for my neighbours, for my dog, everybody. Elden ring deserves all the success.

[@MissCourtesy]

Your dog will love it! 🤣

[@prattyv9208]

@@MissCourtesy funny thing he curls up around my desk and watches me play. He absolutely loves it 😁

[@ceori6399]

Could this be, dog?

[@prattyv9208]

@@ceori6399 the one and only DOG!!

[@loko7496]

Dog ahead

[@samuelgriffin9247]

Can someone tell me what the mech-looking thing on the left under the Goomba is, it looks quite familiar

[@st.ambroseofbierce8980]

I love that you explore the open world. When you find something, it feels like a real discovery.

[@mauwwwww]

There IS a way to sort items by “most recently found” press the left stick on controller and the option will show up.

[@tryingosling]

Tbf I only just found this option after 45 hours 😅

[@FecalMatador]

@@tryingosling I’m 100+ and didn’t know xD

[@baltstop2702]

You saved all my future playtroughts.

[@chaves8134]

I dont get it

[@edisontrent618]

How do so many people not READ the button options on the screen when looking at their various menus? Help gives help.

[@philkensebben6672]

this honestly made me angry... how many times do we have to tell developers that open world games are boring when everything is just given to you? If that guy is in charge of UX at Ubisoft, it's no wonder their games have been boring af for the last decade

[@marcosdheleno]

the sad part is, alot of ubi's open world could be far more enjoyable if they were less, and given to the player in increments. for example the treasure chests in any AC game, there are so many of those, nobody will feel the desire to open even 1/3rd of them.

[@emenesu]

What does UX have to do with open world?

[@main_rouge]

@@emenesu Everything, to keep it simple UX lead dictates how the information is given to the player and how said player should go about interacting with the world, hence why this guy from Ubisoft can't comprehend why Elden Ring doesn't give everything to the player right away (just look at the meme screenshot from the video)

[@urbanarmory]

@@main_rouge game UX is more about interface design, not open world design or scaling...

[@quanduongau9276]

@@main_rouge close, UX is not just about telling people what to do and how game mechs should be done. They must all be researched, analyzed and tested/ benchmarked almost to the limit of all possible conventions. Meaning there is certain proof why this feature is crucial and why we must introduce it to players in order to make sense of the mechanism. The thing is, they make it way too convenient and available for players without considering the fun, challenging factor in it.

[@robertspinks212]

It’s almost like not putting in 700+ collectibles is a good thing

[@zachsilby4569]

My favorite part of Elden Ring was playing for the first time, leaving the catacombs, and seeing a big ass tree that wasnt the MAIN tree and telling myself "I'm going there." Before getting my ass blasted by the tree guardian that you have to fight to get the other crystals for the flask of mystique. The game didnt tell me a damn thing, where to go, what to do, because I havent even talked to the guy outside the catacombs yet, so far it was just me and exploration.

[@etherealdreamerart]

I'm happy Elden Ring is doing so well. Instead of them getting jealous, they should use that jealousy and create good games, but most of them lack an artistic vision.

[@yongkysiaw6597]

These days it's about slander and being a hypocrite if you can't win.

[@etherealdreamerart]

@@yongkysiaw6597 That too sadly.

[@highestqualitypigiron]

God isnt that true, look at ubisofts modern offerings like far cry 6, watch dogs legion, ghost recon are absolute snooze fests and immediately forgotten.

[@abdullahnadeem1823]

Especially Horizon. Graphics is the only thing going for them

[@SwinebossEX]

What a positive post. Totally agree with you!

[@VulcanicCloud]

No matter where the camera is in the game, it looks like a perfect wallpaper. The only other game to make me amazed at the world and it's environment as much as this was Nier Automata, and honestly Elden Ring might even beat it in that compartment. I never played a Souls game besides Sekiro (which is also awesome), and Elden Ring easily allowed me to get into the world and progress. It's pathetic and hilarious how the people who make the most generic, bland and soulless (hehe) open world games out there are trying to diss something that actually poured in tons of talent and passion into something fantastic.

[@MikeHawksBig69]

Ghost of Tsushima is also very beautiful I took so much screenshots from that game.

[@supersandwich8967]

@@MikeHawksBig69 same that game was fuckin' mint 👌

[@thegreatleaderjimpickens7919]

also Breath of the Wild, every shot feels like it is painted by professional

[@racciimy]

Nice pfp

[@rumotu]

I assume you haven't played breath of the wild or ghost of tsushima. Because these 4 games where only games that felt like "wallpaper generator: the game"

[@EzraeL91]

I remember an interview many many years ago, to the developers of Age of Mythology. Yeah, that much ago. The journalist (and in that age they were serious journalist) asked if they were afraid of the competition of Warcraft 3. They answered: why should we? Both our game and Blizzard's one are great game and most people who love RTS will buy and enjoy both games.

[@hargos4060]

And we actually did.

[@jonmcfarland1209]

I played both Elden ring and Forbidden West. I got bored with Forbidden west and stop playing it for over 3 months before I came back and made myself beat it. I absolutely hated the side quest and dialog in Forbidden west. However, I wouldn't say it was a bad game, but I wouldn't recommend it. Took me 40 hours ish to beat Forbidden west and I was beyond done with it by the time I got to the credits. Elden Ring, I am addicted to it. I stayed up way too late last night because I couldn't put it down. I have so far 85 hours into the game and I am still trying to take my time with it because we probably won't have another good game relase till May 2023.

[@sageoftruth]

Well, Ahmed from Ubisoft is right about one thing. If he thinks Ubisoft’s open world design is objectively the best, then his life is indeed a lie.

[@badjuju2721]

Man needs to retire

[@ricardohoang8452]

Ahmed is probably the one who agreed with those Executives about NFTs 😀

[@rustkitty]

Who said that though? Ahmed only complained about the UX. According to the Twitter bio he is a UX director. Meaning that he is responsible for the user interface, and has nothing to do with the open world game design.

[@breakupgoogle4584]

Hes just pissed because another games success is a threat to their annual shovel-the-same-game design formula isn't working anymore. Also how dare gamers like something not approved by the board.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@rustkitty i will say this, the ui has some big flaws that i dont understand why. like for example, spell subtypes is important, but its obtuse to find what school that spell is part of. also, lots of equipments have passive abilities that are in the description, but not in the "passive" slot. smaller things like those make no sense, and they should make it better.

[@hawkshot867]

Dear Ubisoft Devs: Elden Ring is the type of open world game PEOPLE want. Get bent. Change your shit design. Edit: gamers -> people (came off as too elitist, which was not my intent)

[@AhmadWahelsa]

Yeah also, WE don't want to level up just to explore like in that generic ass Valhalla

[@imgrim391]

"get bent" lmfao

[@chronenojysk5107]

@@AhmadWahelsa I like Valhalla’s progression despite its flaws, and Valhalla’s quest design isn’t as Hand Holding/Cookie Cutter. It simply gives you clues and have to listen to dialogue in order to complete Side Quest instead of a maker or quest list telling you to “Go X and kill enemies” etc.

[@AhmadWahelsa]

@@chronenojysk5107 So Dragon Age then? except 90% of it is copy pasted with level scaling that makes your so-called sharp and piercing blade barely scratch some random guards, ooooh don't forget the collectibles, the MAP is literally filled with it.

[@Jmcelwain17]

Amen brother

[@fiftyshadesofurban]

5:59 You know it's very interesting that I have never felt lost in Elden Ring. And even when I find NPCs in the world.. I have heard the advice get a notebook so you can write stuff down but I find myself never being lost or taking forever to memorize a path, and I tend to remember where NPCs are and what they offer.. but in games like WoW it's like I always feel sooo lost and it takes me forever to memorize the layout of a city etc. I think all those question marks and way points and shit make things harder for you because it makes you lazy and then you just can't work as well as you could if you weren't relying on that.. It's the same way in real life with GPS. Since GPS came out on phones now nobody can get anywhere without using GPS a few times, and if it's a complicated route people still always have to use GPS to get there for fear that they will miss turns, get lost, etc. Oh you know what, I actually do get lost in Elden Ring, but ONLY when I'm being chased by a mob and I CANNOT OPEN THE MAP TO SEE WHERE I'M GOING. Another UX gripe.. Opening the map is not the same as traveling to a lost grace. You can disable traveling to lost graces but let the user open the map.

[@marcoscunha511]

So it's actualy a no, but yes.

[@skullkid325]

I could go on and on about this game but there's one thing I really just want to shout out to the void - one of my usual issues with open world games is that I never really feel any incentive to explore. I mean, that's supposed to be the whole fun of an open world game, right? But the world is usually so empty and all the activities in it are clearly marked so you can just go from A to B to C etc., and the formula is usually that all those activities are one of a handful of copy/paste encounters or collectibles or whatever. With Elden Ring nothing being clearly marked makes me actually want to explore and look for secrets and stuff - plus the world actually looks and feels like a fantasy world, for once. Elden Ring has remined me why I used to love this genre and given me an experience I haven't had since I first played Morrowind.

[@neda9438]

Elden ring is a great example showing money doesn’t make a game , TALENT does. Just look what they did with an open world I had no idea I would love as much as I did and still playing after 100 hours.

[@trentfowler1335]

I would like to add to this: talent, and TIME. Let developers have the time they need to make good games.

[@neda9438]

I completely agree and that’s an excellent point. I don’t think most people realize how much stress and hardships are put on game developers and it’s sad they work very hard and are almost never given the time they need. I’ve read about some crazy shit that happens to developers by management and it’s sad that shit like that still happens today.

[@littlesnowflakepunk855]

crunch has ruined game design entirely. AAA games cut corners so hard there's barely any corners left to cut, because they have to finish the games in time to please the shareholders. Elden Ring has apparently been in development since well before Sekiro, likely around six years total if I recall correctly. there's also a culture of refusal to reuse assets from prior projects. a bunch of people got upset when the Network Test came out because a couple of the door opening animations were reused from DS3. absolutely bizarre. if it works, if it's good, and if it saves you some time, why would you redo work you've already done?

[@Nightweaver1]

Let's be fair, though: FromSoft is very definitely a AAA studio with hundreds of millions of equivalent US dollars to develop games with.

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

@@Nightweaver1 let’s be even fairer, LOOK WHAT THEY DO WITH IT

[@absoluteandrew398]

As of now, I have 24 hours in the game, and I have barely even left the first area, Limgrave. This game is phenomenal. I haven’t even went online yet except for a few times to help my brother kill a boss, as he is new to these games. The game does NOT hold your hand, I had a chest I opened teleport me to an absolutely cursed mine that I was WAY under leveled for, and they wouldn’t let me fast travel out of there until I found another site of Grace. I was MAD, I lost 7,500 runes which was a lot of money at the time. Yet, I love that about these games. The idea of a genuine challenge, and a game that doesn’t hold your hand or spoon-feed you instructions. Instead, it says “Here’s the mountain. Climb it.” except they leave it up to you to find the gear you need, and to train yourself to gain the skill necessary to progress. The immersion is on a different level as well. “Immersive” does not mean “realistic”. Immersion is genuinely being afraid to die in the game, so much so that your hands are shaking. Immersion is riding your horse on a mountain trail, and noticing how beautiful the scenery is, and just stopping to stare at it. Immersion is fighting a king corrupt with power who has transformed into a massive abomination while a full orchestral soundtrack is playing, and you feel every swing of your weapon. Fromsoft have created one of the last few modern games that create that sense of wonder and awe I felt as a kid when I played the first Halo game. We’ll be playing this years to come. Just like how Bloodborne still has a massive following and player base despite being around 6 years old.

[@Dead1yProductions]

same thing happened to me , my surprised piakucha face when i back stab and only see 13dmg

[@animenut69]

Mimics in the game or is teleport or whatever this games version of a mimic?

[@Drizz981]

@@animenut69 didint see a mimic yet but other suprise wont spoil :)

[@johnshelton22]

Im 70 hours in, finally just 100% lingrave today. Onto the next area!

[@js8430]

Yeah no thanks I would quit playing the game after that lol

[@ironfoot1938]

3:45 the funny thing is that both of the things you said you would like to have in elden ring already exist. You can sort your items by pickup time but you can only do that for each type. You can assign up to 4 items to something like you described.

[@KP_Uravity]

One thing I love about a little pixel game called hyper light drifter is that no matter what direction you go you're *always* making progress to your end goal. There is only one goal, defeat the bosses, raise the pillars, free Anubis. That's it. You can never be lost because no matter where you are you're doing that. That's how I feel about Elden ring and it's quests. I don't feel overwhelmed, there's no punishment for going wherever you want except reaching a skill ceiling you may not be at yet. But you're always making progress towards your next great rune and becoming Elden lord. This is my first fromsoft game and I've been really enjoying it

[@ivansoedjono]

First we had Jafe critizising Metroid Dread's game/level design, and now we got someone from Guerilla who says that Elden Ring doesn't have quest design. Both games push this 'discover it yourself' gameplay with subtle hints, which make the progression feel so satisfying. It really says a lot about themselves.

[@ExeErdna]

At this point honestly being TOLD fetch quest as a part of the main story isn't good. There's a few in Elden Ring for sure yet it normally gives you something. Hell the main quest is "Become the Elden Lord" now HOW you get there is on you. Are you a mage nukeing mobs from range? A sneaky bandit fixated on status effects? Or trying to be that warrior right in the middle of the fights? The game is SO open you can skip the tutorial outright. That's great design since a lot of people forget MAYBE just maybe some people don't want that tutorial slog everytime they start a new game.

[@MrChewy97]

That's because they think every game should be designed for anyone to play. And because of that it forces games do be dumbed down so a toddler can play.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

@@MrChewy97 The excuse i hear the most is "I'm such a adult grown up with a job, i don't want to spend 2 hours on a boss because i don't have time for that". I hate it, most people have a job (I hope), i have one and a kid, i have 2 - 4 hours to play every few days and i can safely say that you learn how to approach a from soft game if you really want to. And when someone's time is so limited and valuable that you can't learn how a play a game that really isn't as hard as it seems on first glance then i don't know if you really have time to waste on games at all.

[@theobvu]

Jaffe actually like Elden Ring and said it's one of the best games he played

[@Angel7black]

Damn, thats crazy. Maybe if Ubisoft wants the credit for making a good game they should finally make a good game for once.

[@slinksjoch]

the can't they have no vision

[@floofyhoots8129]

For the recently picked up items, you can just set your inventory to sort them that way, simply press in your left thumbstick while in your inventory, then pick how you want it sorted