A FLOOD of NONSENSE! - Global Flood or Mass Extinctions? | Reacteria

[@RenegadeScienceTeacher]

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[@raya.p.l5919]

❤Attention black an white sheep. Negative energy will creep out yr feet tell it's time. Jesus energy wash tonight at 11 eastren

[@specilegg]

The Global flood is the most reasonable explanation for all the geological formations we see, as for the iridium let God be true and every man a lier. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmm5ZmyaoLKAoMk

[@TreeSlothSA]

Realtalk: Forrest when are you guest starring on Best of the Worst already?

[@nacholopezosa]

Pues nada mal el espanol. 👏

[@smguy7]

If all the mountains were covered - so the surface of the global ocean during the mythical flood was 8 kms higher than current sea level? What would the atmospheric pressure be at that level? And the global ocean would be absorbing a lot more heat than the Earth normally does with its mix of land and water - so wouldn't over a year this ocean would overheat and boil off - cooking all life on Earth by boiling it in steam? How would coral survive under 8 or more kms of water? How would the three species of blind marsupial moles make it back to the Australian deserts?

[@Psymou4014]

"Of what sins were the gophers guilty?" is my new favorite quote. Thank you.

[@eli00335]

Top 10 questions god didn't answer

[@Julian0101]

They were tainted by man's sin... no, dont ask how is fair to kill someone for the faults of an entire different species.

[@ukamikazu]

While gophers are doubtlessly innocent, raccoons are little jerks and would've had it coming, if it were true. Sorry, raccoons slaughtered all my chickens in their coop recently so I'm a little sore, still.

[@ViikkeE]

they didn't get off my lawn.

[@Psymou4014]

@@ViikkeE facts

[@CosmicNicGaming]

I was not ready for spongebob to question the academic integrity of Jane

[@LethalPillow99]

Lol that threw me off too

[@mjjoe76]

Yes, that was brilliant.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

im literally crying of laughter at the moment😂

[@Rose-yx6jq]

I'm willing to bet actual money they're also flat earthers.

[@heatseekerx51]

She wrote about it in her diary

[@chancematters]

“Of what sins were the gophers guilty?” -Forrest Valkai, 2023 But seriously this man is poetic and hilarious and correct (Edit: I check back on this one sometimes and… are y’all okay????? Jfc)

[@raysalmon6566]

not really FV is a propaganda evangelist

[@facundotorres175]

Oh it's ray the bot again, I prayed for your death, I guess it didn't stick

[@Onio_Saiyan]

The gophers may not know what they do, but they are guilty of ruining my garden.

[@someguy5438]

​@@raysalmon6566so you don't really know what propaganda is

[@flaminginferno6641]

​@@raysalmon6566by definition he isn't

[@TOOLMANTIMSWORKSHOP]

Forrest you need to do an entire 30 min video where you just keep asking questions regarding the flood. That 5 mins was some of the best I’ve ever seen

[@arthurfleck629]

Agreed, it was perfection incarnate ;D

[@KayGreylai]

I could watch that segment for houuuurs

[@2l84me8]

I always appreciate when hardworking and educated people debunk the arrogant nonsense of creationists.

[@travisbicklepopsicle]

Good points, bringing up 'educated' and 'hard-working'. A scientist spends years and years, and plenty of their hard-earned money on their education, lots of hard work, spend days, weeks, months or even years on a project, publish their results, only to have a young Earth creationist come along and spend a *few seconds* leaving a ridiculous comment totally misrepresenting and lying about that scientist's work, and the misinformation spreads all over the internet like wildfire.. then, educated and hard-working people have to come along and engage in damage control, wasting their freaking time all because one idiot took a few seconds and posted a stupid comment. These people truly do not understand the damage they do :-(

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

I was once one of those arrogant creationists that loved science, but only the science that agreed with the Bible. I too appreciate the hardworking and educated people that helped me to learn the truth.

[@bagfootbandit8745]

@@wefinishthisnow3883 hey same. Glad people like Forrest Valkai take the time to debunk stuff like this. The deprogramming isn't an easy process

[@raysalmon6566]

I haven't seen any debunking.. presumption isn't evidence

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

@@bagfootbandit8745 100%. I will likely always have guilt and fear for the rest of my life (PTSD from realising that now is all I will have and that the Bible is demonstrably wrong and there is no afterlife), but I'm passionate about truth and would rather know the truth, no matter how bitter of a pill it is to swallow.

[@stewartking4928]

I asked my Jehovah’s Witness father those questions about the flood. “ nothing is impossible for god. He can do anything he wants” 😑 Thanks forest for helping me to understand evolution and encourage critical thought. Peace.

[@jursamaj]

Which makes you wonder: If God could get rid of all the humans with no effort at all, without screwing up the rest of the world, which he'd then have to put back together… why did he bother with the flood?

[@Alphasoldier]

If nothing is impossible for god, it's also not impossible that everything in the bible is just fiction, which makes that -and their belief in their religion- a moot point.

[@experience741]

​@@jursamajwell because it's just a story made up by ancient Levant people who didn't know how this world works

[@denverarnold6210]

My response would be "So, he WANTED to kill nearly everything on earth by drowning? And you still think this is a good god?"

[@stickiedmin6508]

​@@denverarnold6210 Exactly! Even if we take it for granted that the 'problem' actually existed in the first place, was global genocide *_really_* the best solution an all seeing, all knowing, all powerful, and (supposedly) all loving deity could think up?

[@dylantennant6594]

As someone who lives in a town with a lot of Mormons, don't ask the genetic skin colour question, you will be sick by the explanation that biblical literalists give.

[@elingeniero9117]

Mormons don't use the bible as their main holy book

[@undrwatropium3724]

Mormons follow the Bible? I thought their "bible" was the book of Mormon

[@sirrivet9557]

To be fair that's partly because the book of mormon has its own very weird explanation of race.

[@sirrivet9557]

But yeah a lot of christains have very weird thoughts on race because race based on skin color is a fairly modern conception so they try and ask what "the bible has to say" but the Bible doesent have anything to say because that's not how people 10 ad thought of race primarily

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@alexs.5871]

Fun story: the original version of the flood story (or the oldest iteration we have found to this day at least) comes from mesopotamia. And in that version enlil, the king of the gods, kills the humans because they're too loud and he is eventually forced to remove the flood when the other gods chew him out. It's never portrayed as anything but an over-reaction by a cranky old god. But then monotheism took that and went 'but what if our all-knowing, all-loving god did that? Eh?' with a completely straight face. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad

[@ZielAmerak]

ah, but don't forget the rainbow, that show how all-loving god is.

[@bleronk6840]

enlil is so real for that one ppl are way too loud

[@Juliett-A]

I love how often they poke at scientific dating when their method for dating the universe is counting generations mentioned in a book.

[@Nymaz]

Of course the only RATIONAL method of dating the universe is DendoAbrahamology, where you cut open a biblical patriarch and count the rings. Just a sec, grabbing my time machine and chainsaw. ... Oh shit, I think I might have accidentally changed history. But it looks like the changes were small. My comment still appears under a creationist video made by John and Jane, those stupid SimonMagians. Also, yes Forrest, I would love some guacamole.

[@ruthbaker5281]

Generations that for some reason include guys that live hundreds of years.

[@jpstardom3375]

Scientific dating is necessary. Scientific copulation is even more necessary.

[@butlershurk7227]

Was it really necessary to say “desert savages”? Also your “fixed” comment still contains an error. To be clear, I agree with the top level comment, but I don’t think it was necessary to tack on that much to it.

[@sthed6832]

@@Nymaz Don't worry, since Abraham never existed, you're good. Though I'm not sure who you sawed into. Oops.

[@BlazeStorm]

The fact that they cherrypick specific info from the textbooks but choose to ignore the context *repeatedly* shows me that they're not trying to educate people, but instead are doing this maliciously.

[@CD_Character]

Especially when the parts they're omitting are *on the same page and visible on-screen!*

[@roscius6204]

That's the fascinating part for me, I can't imagine holding a position that required me to knowingly avoid facts. Then intentionally try and pass that on to others, aka lying, whilst claiming to hold the high moral ground.

[@FahadAyaz]

Initially read that are "miraculously" 🤣

[@DudeTheMighty]

Of course they're not trying to educate anyone. They're trying to prop up their dying religion.

[@Gnome-kc7pr]

Yeah someone needs to deal with them permanently in order make the world a safer place. They should be locked up forever

[@ZBott]

Death pose can't just be from lack of oxygen to the brain. Otherwise we'd see more of these creationists standing like that.

[@atimidbirb]

BRUH 😂😂😂

[@UltimaGabe]

Can't have a lack of oxygen to the brain if you don't have a brain!

[@dantallman5345]

Heads seriously close to their arse.

[@erniemathews5085]

Thanks for pointing that out. I will steal it- with attribution, of course

[@emmaleek]

This is gold

[@w.williams2694]

I love how there are mountains of scientific evidence for all of this and they base their entire argument on a handful of pages in a Bronze Aged book written by anonymous authors.

[@FezMooseLive]

To be fair, you know the authors of the text. The deciples of Jesus. 😂 people who existed. Now what they say may be false. But we defiantly know who came together to make the original Bible 😂😂.

[@lynxcato3327]

@@FezMooseLive The Flood appears in the Old Testament which is just a collection of Ancient Hebrew mythology and oral traditions compiled into a book by unknown authors like 2800 years ago.

[@FezMooseLive]

@@lynxcato3327 I dont understand what you are getting at.

[@CouchSpud91]

A book that has been retranslated, re-edited, and reinterpreted so many times that entire chunks of it aren't the same as the first 'official' version of it.

[@paultaft1039]

I was where you are at one time but If you in honesty truly looked at the real provable scientific evidence you could come to no other conclusion than that it had a creator designer but every time that evidence comes up the so called scientific community dismisses it it's the blind leading the blind.

[@YourEvilerTwin]

Honestly, an entire video of just Forrest listing problems with the flood myth would be an A+ video imo Edit: I would like a quesadilla sir

[@naturegirl1999]

Yes, I’d watch a video all about the ways the flood makes no sense

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@warrenburroughs3025]

I always point out the number of great (and literate) civilisations that lived right through the time period of the flood and never mentioned in their chronicles that they were wiped out by the flood. Makes you think, doesn't it?

[@ericdpeerik3928]

It's not a unique story, it's very common in oral traditions across religions and cultures. It's unlikely this was chronicled, but more likely written down from oral tradition. What the story actually means, I don't know. I have listened to many people explain it, but I've never heard a convincing interpretation and never as bad as this one. It's a very interesting story, because so many cultures tell it in one way or another.

[@smitty121981]

The flood was about 12k years ago at the end of the ice age when all the ice catastrophically melted. There are enormous "megaflood" erosion features and evidence of mass extinction on multiple continents at this time.

[@maneatingcheeze]

@@smitty121981 There is no real evidence* of any post glacial maxim "megaflood" inspiring any of the current modern surviving flood myths. The Noah story is most likely a greatly exaggerated version of the Atra-Hasis flood myth from ancient Sumer, which itself could be an exaggerated retelling of a real event. And all other flood myths occur in areas prone to flooding. Sort of like how Japan has myths about Tsunamis but Rome did not, you write/tell stories about what you know. *that I'm aware of.

[@sumo1203]

@@smitty121981multiple continents? Do you have a source for that? It’s seems very likely there was a massive flood, but it wasn’t a global phenomena, it appears to have been localized to the western arctic and North America - likely preceded by an impact event.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@smitty121981 Pretty sure that even in the most extreme of cases, ice would still not melt instantly (especially if there were extreme quantities of it, in which case it'd last a good few months in the sun), so it's hard to imagine a large scale flood actually happening. Worst case scenario could've been either a meteor or a volcano going off nearby and making the local area seem like it was flooded to an extent, but that still wouldn't have been global. Anybody who knows anything about glaciers can tell you that they take a while to melt in almost every situation.

[@discodecepticon]

A quick correction. The plants did not survive under water for "over a month" in the flood myth. The RAINS lasted 40 days and 40 nights... the plants had to live under water for more than 5 months (By the 5th month the water receded enough for the ark to land on the tallest mountain... Or a year... It's hard to nail it down.)

[@TWANDTW]

According to genesis, it was about a year. In the seventh month the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat, and in the tenth month the tops of the other mountains became visible. Forty days later Noah sent the raven, and then the dove. Seven days later he sent out the dove again and this time it returned with the olive twig... So, if we add up the forty days of rain at the beginning, it was around a little more than one year... Which is even more ridiculous, even for a book that claims that serpents spoke, a guy walk on water and Methuselah lived almost a thousand years.

[@mitchellminer9597]

Part of the confusion arises because it often isn't clear if the story is referring to the Xth month of the Flood or the Xth month of the year.

[@discodecepticon]

@@mitchellminer9597 Either way. Its MORE ridiculous! Plants didn't have to survive under water for a little bit over a month, it was way longer.

[@ambulocetusnatans]

I mean, 5 months is more than a month, so he wasn't technically wrong.

[@discodecepticon]

@@marcosolo6491 Nice.

[@maisiesummers42]

7:49 - The gophers know what they did, Forrest. They _know_ what they did.

[@brianjacob8728]

yeah. exactly. who knew Caddy Shack was pre-flood.

[@adrianmetzler2523]

I don’t know if Forrest realizes how valuable he really is, just wow. His ability to relay info, and make learning fun is unsurpassable! Thank you Forrest!

[@gleathers1]

I heartily agree. And I would love a quesadilla.

[@christopherbgsted4749]

This. This * infinity. I have literally felt my burning desire for learning reignite in the wake of Forrest's cheerful, headstrong and wholeheartedly altruistic attitude

[@adrianmetzler2523]

@@christopherbgsted4749 That’s so good, I remember having fun/ “cool” teachers and the inspirational impact they left on me is priceless.

[@Nunazac]

It's pretty scary to think how much human society is holding itself back by just listening to what other people tell them to think instead of using a minimum of critical thinking...

[@paulgoogol2652]

But it's also quite eye-opening. Such naivety will come in all forms and aspects of our life and often may be rather handy if you don't want to be paranoid about everything. People may just do their surviving thing instead of just thinking about stuff and starve or get depressed. Knowing how the universe came to be may be rather cool but won't feed your children.

[@Nunazac]

@@paulgoogol2652 Thats true. I guess it was more my own frustration with the "state of today" that I want to see everyone thrive and do better.

[@oldschool5]

ONLY IF YOU KNEW. I still have elders today that use this flood myth as one of the main reasons to justify our enslavement. This shit is almost scary.

[@sofachrome]

Yep. Your post is a prime example.

[@BassGoBomb]

If one considers that we have used only half our potential brian power (i.e. the make ones) for a few thousand years now .. imagine where we'd be if we had used the females ones too ...

[@cdorst2286]

I had this same conversation with a co-worker. It’s not as easy to talk about this with a believer. He just kept saying that god helped get the animals to the boat and helped get the animals back where they are now. It’s really hard to beat the “but magic bro” response

[@matthewjury4385]

If he's willing to help these animals why did he bother genociding the rest

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

@rboland2173 Maybe this is the reason these people dislike the Harry-Potter - series so much. Because ingelligent people might ask: Why believe in the one magic but not in the other.

[@thaddeusgenhelm8979]

@@norbertjendruschj9121 I mean, that's why religions have often had codified bans or persecution against other forms of magic. After all, if their magic is real, other, evil magic could be real too, right?

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

@@thaddeusgenhelm8979 Right. For me it is just obvious, that the magic of Potter and the magic of Jahwe is nothing but literary fiction.

[@manuell3505]

They are wilfully biased. Like, all animals on a ship? Sounds like a problem. At least, when there's no post-flood evolution. Imagine only all known species of worms on 1 ship. They usually drown in water, so that had to happen. It's just unreasonable.

[@waukivorycopse2402]

They failed to answer the most important question, where did Bigfoot HIDE on the ark?

[@charlestownsend9280]

He was wearing a dinosaur costume, which is why there are no dinosaurs after the flood, they thought they had a pair but one of them was big foot.

[@danminer5343]

Evolutionists say the most insane garbage!

[@someonehavinganidentitycrisis]

Bigfoot is built different, made their on boat

[@danminer5343]

@@someonehavinganidentitycrisis- Evolutionists ask the silliest questions

[@someonehavinganidentitycrisis]

@@danminer5343 wha

[@pedrobicycle6521]

When ever I go to my local koala park to see those beautiful animals, I fall to my knees and thank Noah for walking to Australia and back to pick up a breeding pair that can incidentally only live on tree leaves indigenous to their local ecosystem. What a guy.

[@dr.cheeze5382]

Don't they only eat leaves that are still attached to the tree?

[@pedrobicycle6521]

@@dr.cheeze5382 semantics

[@kwood55]

Actually I think God used a magic transporter.

[@gayleblakesley8762]

And he walked them back post-flood! Dedication!

[@markshort9098]

​@@dr.cheeze5382 yep, koalas are such smooth brains that they can't recognise gum leaves unless their still on the tree

[@Ujames1978Rises]

"Of What Sins Were The Gophers Guilty?" ...I demand that you put this slogan on your merch! 😅 And it's so great to see you continuing this series, because I genuinely thought that you'd quit. 🌺

[@HistorysRaven]

Someone might want to ask Carl Spackler about a certain Mr Gopher.

[@pudermcgavin4462]

I want this as a T-shirt! And bumper sticker

[@angellaramie9344]

The thing that annoys me so much is that most of these aren’t stupid questions when asked I’m good faith. They’re questions you would expect from someone unfamiliar with the material. I wish people were more comfortable in that unknown or lack of understanding instead of jumping into easy answers Edit: yes I would like a quesadilla thank you ❤

[@joshleenall]

Yeah me too, those looked pretty good.

[@markwood1159]

What I found amusing is that I had literally paused the video and made myself a quesadilla right before I watched that. It must be a sign. God wants me to eat more quesadillas, or something.

[@kennethswenson6214]

Noah was the first man to dump organic waste overboard without a discharge permit.

[@jeraldehlert7903]

Forrest. I needed this video this morning. I grew up in a way to religious house and I'm definitely not a believer. I'm having some difficult time with family... as ya do... over this sort of stupidity. Thank you for being you, being funny, being positive about it but being the hyper intelligent person you are that actually knows stuff showing how dumb this stuff is... I love you dude. I know we've never met, but I owe you a hug today.

[@davidjones7962]

I'm in the same boat (Ark pun not intended). It's so encouraging to have people doing things like this to help you remember that you're not alone and you're not crazy or evil or dumb (as my family often says about atheists). Forrest has quickly become a favorite of mine because he gives such in-depth information about the things that Christians claim simply could never be. And for what it's worth, I'm pulling for you in your struggles. Being able to run contrary to your family and upbringing already shows that you're a strong, smart critical thinker. I'm proud of the lengths you've come and know that you'll be able to get to a point where you can comfortably be who you are without (or at least, in spite of) any guff you get from your family. You're doing great! Keep your head up!

[@waffles3629]

​@@davidjones7962 same. It's nice to know there are other sane people out there.

[@ryanblanch2764]

@@waffles3629Same again - and yes. Yes it is.

[@Drums-ve8on]

I was 7 or 8 when the Sunday school I was forced to go to covered Noah’s ark and the flood. While I had already concluded that the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve didn’t make much sense, the flood story pushed me over the edge of credulity. I finally convinced my parents that Sunday school was a colossal waste of time by the time I was 10. And I never looked back.

[@adamc1966]

I had to go until I was 16 😩

[@gmansard641]

I feel very fortunate to have been born to a skeptical semi-practicing Catholic family. When I was 10 (mid 1970s) I read Erich von Daniken, which my decade-old mind found fascinating. One chapter in Chariots of the Gods is entitled "Was God an Astronaut?" Then, there was the classic Star Trek episode where Kirk and Spock encounter the god Apollo --- an advanced alien who on earth was taken for a deity. I remember mentioning to my father how it sounded plausible. He agreed. Fun speculation at best, actual evidence is really lacking, but it did get me questioning the orthodoxies.

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@trexasaurus5322]

Yeah I’m sure your hyper intellectual self could read the flaws of the Bible at the age of 7 bud.

[@georg7120]

A story of a massive genocide and ecocide is not suitable for children.

[@yvito125]

Expecting a creationist to think about what they're saying is ridiculous 😂😂

[@Vhlathanosh]

There is no such thing as an honest creationist or apologetic.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

Former creationist here. It is ridiculous for sure, but I'd say it's more just scientific ignorance (often by choice) and a psychological defence mechanism that preferences us to avoid the pain that being wrong about God and having no eternal life would cause.

[@michaelmoore7975]

An atheist doing/saying the same thing over and over but expecting different results is the definition of _________?

[@Mr_Rouge]

@@michaelmoore7975 ... is the definition of resistance against theist bullshit propaganda.

[@undrwatropium3724]

​@@michaelmoore7975triggered much?

[@Reactordrone]

As an Australian who sees a lot of long tailed bipedal animals in the death pose at the side of the road, I'm pretty sure they didn't suffocate to get into that position.

[@teathesilkwing7616]

No they did, I’ve been secretly guarding you from a cabal of evil kangaroos that want to kill you and are only vulnerable to choking

[@metal_pipe9764]

Which ones?

[@genem2768]

Although you may have a serial killer on your hands. Save the roos!

[@merkeziodgerker7371]

Ah yes, the magical process of being completely annihilated by a hilux

[@1001digital]

So you imply dinosaurs were run over by cars...? ;)

[@S_Drake]

"I do not, however, agree with you that mastodon and gigantopithicus lived together on a boat with a 600 year old man who was riddled with STD's." It's now on my bucket list to use this sentence in a conversation at least once before I die.

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@blakksheep736]

Why STDs? 😆

[@sourisvoleur4854]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

​@@blakksheep736STDs had to survive somehow in order to be present today. It's a really sick story when you try to apply our lived reality to it. Which is why it's just a myth ancient people used to help them understand things they didn't have data for.

[@blakksheep736]

@@ChristopherSadlowski oh yeah lol.

[@bryanclem894]

“You cannot just say stuff and expect it to make sense.” “You have to think.” I love this guy!

[@RaaraMa-gi8hk]

His wrong tho bc the flood isn't really global if you do research on it

[@hadleyreynolds8870]

@@RaaraMa-gi8hkhe is debunking the claim that it is tho, so you are being irrelevant

[@firedrum75]

I’m sure this has been brought up already but just throwing it out. The time frame of the flood you cited is actually worse than you stated. The rain lasted 40 days and nights, but the inhabitants of the ark were on the boat for a year. So yeah, all the problems you pointed out involving a flood lasting a month are even worse because it was a year! Thank you so much for this video and all of the Reacteria series! Bringing science and sanity to our world is vital to survival and I’m proud to be a Patreon for your channel!

[@Ajehy]

In the oldest flood myth we have (the Epic of Gilgamesh) the flood was 6 days long, and then they spent 6 more days on the ark (which contained humans, supplies and livestock) before getting out. WAY more coherent. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/oF7ce3eYeMSUaMU flood myth starts at 11:00 but the whole thing is fascinating.

[@joonzville]

I was just gonna say the same thing about the length of the flood. A year under water makes it *much* worse!

[@merkeziodgerker7371]

​@@Ajehyeven then, every single plant on earth would have died because of the saltwater

[@HarmlessHagoftheWoods]

I was working a security job to pay off my anthropology college classes, and one of the events I worked at was an overnight gaurd of a baptist convention. One of the displays was about how dinosaur fossil assemblages were somehow proof of Noahs Arch. The implication that dinosaurs existed when Noahs Arch supposedly happened and were killed off by a flood was insane. Noahs Arch was my first questioning of Christianity because one of the books on it showed a cat and i realized God would have murdered all the cats. Little me just could not support cat murder. Just found this channel and absolutly love it!

[@DrachenGothik666]

*Ark. The word you're looking for is ark. An arch is a curved panel or wall (usually an opening) in architecture or fencing. #boneappletea

[@riluna3695]

There's a freakishly common misconception that got mentioned here, that I don't think Forrest quite caught was happening. Oftentimes people will cite things like pregnant animals, or animals that were in the middle of eating something, as evidence against the idea that fossilization is a slow process. The idea being that if this is what the fossil looks like to us now, it must have happened almost instantly to keep this shape. I think the "death pose" claim was a version of this idea. The misunderstanding comes from not realizing that there's a gap between the burial of a creature and the fossilization (permineralization) of that creature's remains. The _burial_ can definitely happen very quickly at times, even mid-bite, and this is what keeps that creature's remains in that exact position, with the food still in its mouth and everything. Then begins the process of the organic elements of the body being replaced with mineral. This is the part that's slow. And because of this gap, the argument of "they were buried very quickly" does nothing to upset our idea of how long the creatures have _stayed_ buried. We've known this fact, and been accounting for it, this whole time. Something similar happens with rock formations themselves. The various layers of the geologic column. Science claims that some of the layers had to take a long time to form, and then people object to that by showing that things like volcanoes can cause brand new layers to form in a tiny fraction of the time, and use that idea to say that the other kinds of rocks could also have formed at that speed. But again, there's an important distinction. SOME layers can form that quickly, and others can't. It's important to look at which type of layer we're dealing with, and the min and max speeds of those specific types. If I see that a turtle has traveled 100 miles, I might conclude that it took around a full day, maybe 20 hours if it was particularly fast. Then someone says that that's a ridiculously long time, and that it could happen in less than 2 hours, because animals have been recorded moving over 50 miles an hour. And while cheetahs certainly have been, turtles most definitely have not. Even though they're both "animals", their speeds are an order of magnitude apart. The same is true of the rock layers. Igneous rocks are the cheetahs of geology, and just because _they're_ fast, it doesn't mean all rocks are.

[@jessehunter362]

I do want to clarify: you can get quick fossilization, but it doesn't help their case. For example, we have found some cast fossils in various limestones that formed extremely quickly, due to death and subsequent rapid crystal growth. We can see a clear developmental process from dead but largely unaltered organic material surrounded by limestone, to hollows within limestone, to hollows filled with minerals, like in most fossils. We still call the first step fossils, but they are very young, and not developed relative to normal* fossils. It's like getting mad about how long it takes the cheesemakers to make parmesean when they can make ricotta in a day. *there isn't really one process to make "normal" fossils, but suffice to say all known examples of rapid fossilization are quick starts followed by a slow maturation process.

[@katelynnehansen8115]

Very well stated!

[@teachoc9482]

For a cute cartoon character, you are pretty smart!!! HAHAHA! Good comment. :)

[@celestialsatheist1535]

If anybody wants to a complete dismantlion of Noah's flood. Check this out kzbin.info/aero/PLXJ4dsU0oGMJP95iZJqEjmc5oxY5r6BzP

[@polyurethanesealant]

It really is depressing to see this level of misunderstanding in creationists. If only John and Jane had access to some sort of a *TEXTBOOK* that could explain to them how fossilization actually works.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

We need much more of this, my neices and nephew were sent to Ken Ham's Ark park for indoctrination into reality denialism. Luckily, I was able to come along to run interference.

[@undrwatropium3724]

Peace and blessings 💕

[@bazingaburg8264]

​​​@@undrwatropium3724 From a theistic perspective that might seem heartwarmingly compassionate, but it's half the story. The full story is "you wouldn't wanna die without God's blessings." Good intentions be damned, that's a threat. You engage with fellow christians? Bless away, they'll appreciate it. I fucking hate the welldressed sowing of fears. Your good intentions are appreciated, your coersive missionary tactics (tone edit) is not.

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

That´s a noble deed!

[@MagiRemmie]

Honestly that sounds fun. To go there just to ask questions.

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

@@MagiRemmie As the stuff there is schooled in dishonesty by an expert liar like Ham, I am afraid, it needs the patience of a superhuman.

[@lukaslambs5780]

As someone who has nearly completed my degree in human evolutionary biology, I have never once heard anyone in my field call themself an “evolutionist”. I always think it’s hilarious when creationists use that term, it just further emphasizes how little they understand about evolution.

[@chameleonx9253]

Hearing someone say the word "evolutionist" is basically a dog whistle that says "I'm either a liar, a moron, or both, and I suspect that my audience is too."

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@thatoneguy5043]

They want their audience to believe that it's just as much reliant on faith and belief as their view, when it isn't

[@captainzoltan7737]

as an evolutionist,trigonemtrist and algebraist, I find this offensive

[@chameleonx9253]

@@captainzoltan7737 I'm also a graviticist, a cellularist, and a stellar nucleosynthecist. How about you?

[@Lukkilikka]

I remember as a kid reading a book meant for children that was about the flood (i got it from the library because the illustrations were beautiful) and it said that there was an underwater explosion that killed all the marine animals?? which made me go, first of all 'they actually believe this happened???' and also 'why did there turtles have to die????'

[@danminer5343]

Nobody believes what you said. I can show the fraud in 100% of every statement that evolutionists have ever made by using 100% science. The reality of God is now a 100% proven scientific fact - But almost NONE of you evolutionists will EVER search for the truth because you hate the truth and will always ignore it by will swallow all garbage fed you by evolutionists to your loss.

[@pixelraid5742]

underwater explosion??? why??? how??? what??? I'm so confused at the logistics of that, the water physics oh no!

[@danminer5343]

@@pixelraid5742 You can find a multitude of children books written by ignorant people who do not understand the geological mechanisms that occurred during the global flood of Noah's day. The fact remains however, that the origin of all geological features require the global flood to explain them Evolutionists cannot explain their origin so as a co-out they only say "millions of years did it" which is no explanation. Only creation scientists can explain it in detail. Geological features only explained by the Genesis Flood  High C14 existence worldwide including the fossil record every place that carbon is found limits age to much less than 100,000 years.  caves form in rocks while still existing as mud  clastic dikes - can form only when formations are unconsolidated  clastic pikes - same  coal fields - can form only when massive amounts of trees are quickly buried so they can heat up quickly to form coal rapidly  continental planation surfaces - on every continent  continental shelves - evenly all coasts with sharp drop-offs  deep canyons - had to be full at top level to leave buttes and pinnacles  erosional remnants - formed during dispersal phase or would not exist today  fossil record - had to be buried alive by massive sediments quickly  frozen trundra - ending of the 700 year glaciation period  ice age - only possible explanation requiring hot polar oceans during massive volcanism after the flood  lack of erosion - over 80% of sediments on continents, not in oceans  lack of enough salt in oceans  magnetic field decay - cannot increase & constant decay  mesa  mid-oceanic ridges - remnants of where fountains of the deep erupted  oversized rivers - 14 times volume at end of glaciation period  pancake layering - no time between formations  pediments  pinnacles  polystrate trees - buried through multiple layers  rounded quartzite rocks over distances - during dispersal phase of the flood  sediments bent up with mountains - all sediments laid down level flat before mountains rose  submarine canyons  water gaps & wind gaps - formed during dispersal phase while water was high  woolly mammoths - lived during the glaciation period in places warmed by (hot ocean) winds after the flood

[@nope19568]

​@@pixelraid5742i would loveeeee to see them try and prove all of what theyre claiming with actual physics

[@chriscasperson5927]

The one thing that we know DIDN'T cause extinction events: A worldwide flood.

[@smitty121981]

There is scientific evidence of megaflood erosion and mass extinction events at the end of the ice age ~12k years ago

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

Exactly because there's no evidence for a worldwide flood.

[@CORVAIRPILOT]

Not! Plenty of evidence for flood. Flood caused mass extinction of billions.

[@aeroscantsee1665]

Even the one that actually might involve massive tsunamis was caused by a fcking giant meteor slamming the earth.

[@shaylagonser9341]

Yes we have Christians who seem to have no clue or just don't know what they're talking about but that doesn't prove the Bible to be fiction and there are blood clots still found and radiocarbon dating in some dinosaur bones recently so yeah dinosaur bones are still dinosaur bones, also did you know that Rhinoceros is Latin for Unicorn? Also the the Latin name for the Asian One-horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis and the Latin name for the African Two-horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis just as described in the Bible also translated 200 years ago. And the Behemoth is thought to be a long neck plant eating dinosaur with a tail as stiff as Cedar Trees called the Mamenchisaurus sinocanadorum by the Greek or modern scientists you know today aka dragon. Leviathan is thought to be some under-water dinosaur that got dried up and eaten and scattered all over the deserts by animals. Also there is only one human species and always have been only one called Homosapien by the Greek. Yes I know there are different types of human bones, human birth defects have always been a thing so what you call Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus or Neanderthal are still walking among us today so basically you're either 100% human or not human at all so that rules out the possibility of human sub-species in general. Neanderthal is one of the cavemen mentioned in the bible, they were actually outcasts from society or civilization, they were not ape-men and btw apes can't even be men so people are basically using science to disprove science. This isn't intended to make anyone feel dumb and I'm not calling anyone dumb for being an Evolutionist and yes I know that Evolutionists know about science but the belief in Evolution is just plain old delusional.

[@peterashby-saracen3681]

When Jane said "Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?" I was crying "No, no, no!" but could hardly get the words out for laughing. This is a totally brilliant demolition of the utter nonsense of "the flood" and their bizarre tie-in with extinction - so thorough, indeed, that if John and Jane ever watch this I'm sure they'll instantly implode (at least, one can but hope...). I have this lovely vision of Noah sitting there on the ark, examining his bodily fluids under a microscope just to make sure that he did manage to rescue every STD... and Mrs Noah muttering in the background as she wonders how he managed to contract so many. Please never ever stop making these videos!

[@undrwatropium3724]

He probably got them from the animals he inseminated

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@hedgehog3180]

Don't forget all the regular diseases and parasites, Noah must have had the freakiest fucking immune system ever.

[@SixteenTonesStudio]

"because God commanded it, okay? Now, there are supposed to be two of these, get over here." Probably not dissimilar to the way Joseph felt, when Mary tried to convince him of immaculate conception. Which makes me wonder, what happens if a virgin gets in-vitro fertilization? And why hasn't that been the premise of a new hollywood blockbuster about a return of the savior? Apart from the fact that "The Second Coming" would be a porno title?

[@BenjaminEaster-b8b]

Putting aside whether it would have ever been ethical and conscientious for the Abrahamic God to make mincemeat when it comes to 99.9999999999999 percent of all sentient and nonsentient life on his Earth, at minimum nearly all landwelling organisms on his Earth, the insurmountable, innumerable details of this ancient mtyh are mind-boggling. The deeper you go trekking into this chronicle, the amalgamation of its errors increasingly becomes evermore and mountingly unsound. I reiterate an objection expoused by many, many of other intellectual minds: Why would a Gpd need to annilate all the animals to parasites on Earth to compensate for himself for human vileness? He could have simply killed every adult human instantaneously and simultaneously with no natural impact on their demises being essential? Venture towards AronRa's series on this topic for insanely, scrupulously detailed reiterations regarding the several fields of expertise that debunk this flood myth❤😂🎉!

[@SmallGreenPlanetoid]

I did NOT expect the flood questions segment to go on as long as it did. And then the stinger: "This list could be twice as long."

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@carolmoore6294]

Also where did all the water ccme from and go ? 4/3 pi r cubed .13.5 more water than on planet 2 day .oops

[@panickedshears]

@@carolmoore6294guess god just decided to forget the law of conservation “matter cannot be created nor destroyed” and just magic’d up some water molecules before subsequently destroying it 🤷‍♂️

[@SilkyLew]

​@panickedshears See what happened was, he froze the extra water. It became Antarctic. Trust me.

[@HN-kr1nf]

can we please please please get an extended version of that flood questions segment because the thought of the people on the ark intentionally catching pubic lice had me ON THE FLOOR 😭😭😭

[@ВадимВадимович-ь6т]

dance the night away, live your life and stay up on the floor

[@corvideer1738]

I love how it's never "I've read the studies and given that evidence here's my thoughts" it's always "I read 6 paragraphs in a middle school text book and I deny the evidence presented therefore I'm right about MY book"

[@CD_Character]

They read six paragraphs ? You're very generous.

[@Formoka]

I legitimately had a history teacher play us a video in high school trying to say the flood killed the dinosaurs and that fossil layers were because some animals could swim. It’s nice to hear the actual logic.

[@dracocrusher]

...... Wut......??? But we find Trilobites and shells at lower levels all the time, WAY below where we find T-Rexes. And we also find lots of aquatic fossils above where stuff like Triceratops is, too! What kind of 'swimming' would make that crap happen?!?

[@Formoka]

@@dracocrusher Right?! It never made any sense to me.

[@DrachenGothik666]

Ugh. I'm SO sorry. That person should NEVER have been a teacher in the first place. Spreading misinformation should be a crime.

[@SnakeMan448]

It's the most infantile logic, which is why creationists try their hardest to evade regulations for misinformation and target children with underhanded tactics.

[@danielhamid5569]

@@SnakeMan448 If we were ever inclined to pretend we were religious to garner power and avoid taxes... would these clowns get upset if we were to ban creationism etc in schools?

[@coreysmithson4002]

Gotta say, i never considered how long the extinction of the dinosaurs actually took. Its almost like the asteroid event, instead of just getting bowled over by a giant rock, was more like a knife wound with poison on it. Sure, a BIG wound was left at the point of stabbing, but the poison would take a very long time to set in. Love the channel!!

[@juanausensi499]

That's actually a very good metaphor

[@Chris-hx3om]

Kurzgesagt did a video on the day the asteroid hit... They did it (as they do everything) brilliantly... Search for: 'The Day the Dinosaurs Died - Minute by Minute'.

[@FatMadt666]

My favorite argument that I've heard for the flood myth is that it was localized. As if it happened in a ravine or under a dome.

[@kaydenday6702]

Nice pfp

[@ND-Skyz]

Why is the first time I’ve ever heard the point of the extinction taking thousands of years? It’s always presented as being kinda immediate. This makes more sense for sure, I’d just never questioned it in this way. Thanks Forrest!

[@Chris-hx3om]

Kurzgesagt did a video on the day the asteroid hit... They did it (as they do everything) brilliantly... Search for: 'The Day the Dinosaurs Died - Minute by Minute'.

[@Tintelinus]

I think there are two main reasons. First I think that 30 000 years is basically instant in terms of biology and geology. Human history and biological/geological history works on very different time scales. Modern Homo Sapiens are belived to have existed for about 160 000 years for comparasion. The other thing is more about pop science. In terms of story telling the idea of a big asteroid just immediately destroying these massive beasts we know as dinosaurs just work very well as a dramatic end to the story.

[@dracocrusher]

I think it's mostly because it's just way easier to imagine a big rock killing stuff than it is to imagine the extremely long and drawn out period of climate change and dwindling resources that comes after it.

[@lordsrednuas]

It's often hard to pin down timeframes. We can put a date on the last fossil evidence, but for how long was that demise assured? For modern extinctions it's also often talked about pretty definitively because we so often know exactly when and why something died out (usually us). And saying 'it went extinct when the last one died' is conceptually simpler than 'that animal you can see happily eating over there? Yeah it's species are already extinct' You do get that sort of talk occasionally, discussing 'functionally extinct' species. But even that is more commonly reserved for the last member of a species. Not to say the greater discussions of species viability don't happen, just not often in the public sphere

[@dracocrusher]

@@lordsrednuas This is why we have an entire range of descriptions for how close something is to extinction. People talk about Endangered or Threatened species all the time. The official scientific categorization goes as follows: Not Evaluated Data Deficient Least Concern Near Threatened Vulnerable Endangered Critically Endangered Extinct in the Wild and Extinct It's all pretty straightforward, honestly. And while something being 'still alive' doesn't mean it's actively extinct, if there's not a lot of members of the species left then it's going to hit an inbreeding problem, which is going to change that status REAL fast!

[@christophermcconnell1689]

making a quesadilla is a better use of time than watching two people fail to understand how water works.

[@undrwatropium3724]

Maybe they're homeschooled

[@writer4life724]

12:00-17:50 This is the questioning the flood segment in case anyone wants to save it for later.

[@Strype13]

Is there a way to save just that particular segment?

[@ipromiseimclean]

I’m in the process of deconstructing a lot of what I grew up with. And I was today years old when I realized it was NOT one singular asteroid hit that killed the dinosaurs. Wow. I feel dumb but I do love learning. I appreciate you and your channel sir! Really enjoying it!

[@miaomiaochan]

As long as you learn something new every day, you're golden.

[@ZakisHereNow]

These are so painful to watch. And they’re aimed at kids. Just brainwashing hundreds of thousands of kids every year. Thank you for doing what you do. And I would, in fact, like a quesadilla…

[@DoloresLehmann]

That was so hilarious! I expected him to be banging his head against a wall somewhere...

[@MeDecade]

@@DoloresLehmann I thought I was gonna hear a toilet flush 🤣

[@glendaburton903]

Taking a story about mass genecide and turning it into a children’s story. Interesting.

[@Ian_sothejokeworks]

The dinosaurs had all gathered in the Yucatan peninsula for a dino-party on what happened to be the worst day possible.

[@secularidiot9052]

It would've been a party of astronomical proportions. Truly out of this world. Even when they saw the asteroid coming, they had to comet to the party.

[@japallo1]

A Universal Flood-Genesis Conflict/ Walter Veith kzbin.info/www/bejne/fovVqaKdjp6DpMUsi=cahzn8yS-phvd6h5

[@iwkaoy8758]

Dew you understand isle living any moles don't fossilize right?

[@japallo1]

@@iwkaoy8758 I’m not understanding what you are trying to communicate.

[@iwkaoy8758]

@@japallo1 Fossil own Lee show the any moles hoo dyed and fossilized,knot the any moles that lived. Isle so fossilization is egg stream Lee rare,So most of the population want fossilize. That's like saying isle human gathered inn Pompeii and fossilized. Those humans don't represent two full population of humans,own Lee the rare fossilized humans. Lots of humans lived width pompeians,but did ant fossilize.

[@Dock284]

Can't believe she called us "evolutionist's" because that's totally a thing

[@thewatcher6312]

Lol, right?

[@93Current]

Ironically, they are trying to suggest that those who work in the field of biology are following the concepts of evolution as if it were a religion, ie accepting a stated dogma that is not based on empirical observation and data. Somehow, the fact that they are claiming that we should accept the creation stories of the bible as divine truth without any real evidence is somehow lost on those say this.

[@yoshi6421]

​@@93CurrentYeah gotta love the double standard of "Evolution is bad because it is a religion" then turn around and say "My religion is good".

[@stylis666]

@@93Current Also ironically, the bible confirms that people who trust in knowledge acquired by humans do that because they deliberately want to show that they don't want to trust in a god they know exists. It's in Romans 1, New Testament. And it's not the only book that muddies the water against relying on cooperation and knowledge that people discover, but who cares what the book says. Christians don't. Anyway, what I was trying to say is that it makes sense for christians to assume that we're lying because they're taught that doing science is just our rebellious phase and that we actually do believe in their god. So, from their perspective, everything we say is false because it's lied, so any strawman they make up is more accurate and it's a waste of time to talk to atheists and ask what they believe because we just lie about it. It's one of the reasons why the bible advises against being friendly with people outside your religion. We assume that most christians are better than their book, but we also seem to assume that once they have actually read what it says that they can still be convinced to defy their god and be better than it. We can categorize theists in these two groups: ignorant hypocrites who don't follow their scriptures, and fundamentalists. The latter is the only category of theists that has anything to base their beliefs on.

[@dungeoneering1974]

⇡ The stupid, it hurts. What else is someone who subscribes to evolution to be called? Idiots? Time is Magic Believers?

[@jayess9933]

I have 2 questions about the Noah thing. The first being, what did the carnivores eat after they got off the boat? Wouldn’t their prey have gone extinct from them needing to hunt almost immediately? The second question is, why did Noah’s descendants go to India and start practicing Hinduism again? It was being practiced prior to the alleged flood and if it’s being practiced today, that means that someone from Noah’s family said, “fuck that flood bastard, I’m going with the chick with 6-arms”.

[@shanewilson7994]

*I have 2 questions about the Noah thing. The first being, what did the carnivores eat after they got off the boat? Wouldn’t their prey have gone extinct from them needing to hunt almost immediately?* When I've asked that, the answer was that there were millions of carcasses left over from the flood so they could scavenge for a really long time. Not that this answer makes any sense, nor would those rotting carcasses be edible for a vast majority of carnivores. *The second question is, why did Noah’s descendants go to India and start practicing Hinduism again? It was being practiced prior to the alleged flood and if it’s being practiced today, that means that someone from Noah’s family said, “fuck that flood bastard, I’m going with the chick with 6-arms”.* Pretty much, and then they'll take a Hindi flood myth and pretend that "hey even they agree with the flood"

[@jayess9933]

@@shanewilson7994 Yeah. I can see how carnivores would love meat that had been floating around for over a year. It must have been well-tenderized….

[@teathesilkwing7616]

The chick had 6 arms man that’s rad as hell

[@swapnaneeldas3227]

​@@shanewilson7994 Bruh,I'm a hindu & we do have books called Puranas which mention a Great Flood,but it was likely copied from abrahamic texts,most hindus don't believe in that story,most don't even know this story is present in the puranas.

[@lxxredxxl9587]

Im honestly surprised that Forrests channel doesn't have more subscribers!! He's a phenomenal science communicator!!

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@Redpill99]

I Agree

[@justaguy6100]

Forrest once again shows us why AIG and Genesis Apologetics doesn't allow comments. These people are frustratingly, aggressively ignorant.

[@CD_Character]

Aggressively. Nice touch.

[@kaih.5925]

"when scientists try to stretch five extinctions in five different ice ages, over the evolutionary view of the geologic column, they're not sure how they happened. But when you compress the geologic column down into a Biblical time frame, it's all explained by a worldwide flood followed by an Ice Age" is probably the most unhinged thing I ever heard in my entire life I wish it was shorter so I could get it tattooed, maybe I'll make a t-shirt

[@wizardsuth]

By the same reasoning there are only three days in a week: Sunday, Weekday, and Saturday, because the five in the middle can be compressed into a single day.

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

​@@wizardsuththat's why in the first day, God slept and not give a fuck to due it on the weekend

[@emmetthowell899]

Hearing that made my head spin and I felt like I left this plane of reality because it was so left field for an actual human with a brain to say that with full confidence

[@markpolice3585]

The problem is that they never try to prove what they're saying. They try to poke holes in evolution because they don't understand it.

[@cvrki7]

The biggest problem with evolution is it depends on a theory about the origin of life that is basically impossible to

[@markpolice3585]

@@cvrki7 Umm...what?

[@cvrki7]

@@markpolice3585 what are you confused about

[@utes5532]

​@@cvrki7Why would evolution be dependent on a theory on the origin of life?

[@cvrki7]

@@utes5532 yes the theory is that everything stems from one organism’s it not? How did that happen…

[@Clockwork-Rat]

The whole flood "theory" is what initially made me start questioning my religion when I was younger, so hearing Forrest talk about it has made my day

[@GaryRine]

Same here, I still remember the look on the Sunday school teachers face when I asked "if God can do anything why didn't he just beam all the good people to another planet? Is Captain Kirk more powerful than God?" Hehehe

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

​@@GaryRineCaptain James T Kirk is far more plausible then super magic invisible super wizard.

[@felixmbandandayitabi4536]

You are smarter than I am. I had to reach the Jericho miracle when the sun stood still. At that time I was so fascinated by gravity that I understood that the rabbi was spewing nonsense.

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@gregwasserman2635]

The flood myth is not a theory. In science, a theory is tantamount to fact. When something is elevated to a theory, it has undergone rigorous testing and stood the test of time. Moat people use the term "theory" when they actually mean hypothesis. For theists, theu use theory when they mean idle conjecture.

[@joelmcruz]

Noah with STDs is now part of my permanent repertoire when taking about the flood story. This is why i love you

[@CartoonHero1986]

Side note. That "two of every animal" on the ark thing is actually a modern Western adaptation to make the story more "logical and real". Older versions god demanded Noah take 7 of every animal because... 7 is a sacred number and that was the logic behind the ancients. The older versions also included lists of the animals Noah was required to collect or that god would send to Noah to get on the Ark because according to these versions of the story some animals didn't need saving because they could spontaneously come back citing really old beliefs like "mice are born from rotting straw" so these animals did not need to be saved (this is was also used to explain away ancient questions of how'd the Ark manage if it also had to include vermin and other problematic animals to cohabitation. How'd they deal with the Rats and stop them eating the food and animal feed, or stop them spreading sickness to the other animals? There were no rats because they don't require procreation and come from *insert folk tale about spontaneous creation*")

[@sthed6832]

It was seven pairs of Kosher animals and one pair of non-Kosher animals. Kosher, you know, the thing God thought was very important in the Bible but Paul tossed because a Roman soldier he was selling to loved his prawns?

[@OceanusHelios]

Theology demands turning explanations into pretzels in order to support the preposterous hypothesis.

[@michaelmoore7975]

If you consider the "world" and everything that exists in it to those people in those times consists of an area along the Euphrates and a bit of the Eastern Mediterranean, it makes it easy to understand all the animals in that area comprises of approximately 70 to 100 species and can be accommodated by a medium-large boat with room to spare. That is the entire "world" to them. They cannot write about what they did not know, and we know they didn't because everything else that was written is completely within the confines of that same area, so it only makes sense that is also where all the animals of their world lived that could be gathered up. And there are plenty of modern-day analogues for us to reference. Anytime you see on the news about a big flood anywhere on earth, you always see footage of some farmer/rancher with their family, friends, neighbors, pets, livestock, and other farm animals being rescued by boats and shuttled off to safety. Noah did the same thing, but just scaled up in size.

[@michaelmoore7975]

The atheist (actually anti-theist) and the religious fundamentalist (idiot) are perfect for each other. Each exists as a function of the other and share equal uselessness. The idiot fundamentalist is wrong because his interpretation ignores context. The anti-theist is wrong because he believes the interpretation of an idiot is worthy of argument.

[@datrtzhush3734]

hmm yes very scientific and logical as we can see.......

[@Power_Prawnstar]

So, I'm not down with bullying, but part of me thinks that some amount of ridicule at high school wouldn't be a bad thing for these two.

[@nagranoth_]

What did those animals eat for over a month? It's MUCH worse Forrest. The story says it _rained_ 40 days and 40 nights, and then _after 150 days_ god remembered Noah was on his little boat and he should drain the water. That's nearly a year.

[@realtsarbomba]

And who shoveled all that shit? I mean mountains of 💩 that even modern day John Deere excavator would struggle with.

[@autumnramble]

Well, eucalyptus trees can survive about a month of deluge, but not a year. Koalas had to be created after the flood.

[@search895]

​@@autumnrambleso they bred a lot of koalas and australian bugs to feed the rest of the animals in the boat, because those are the only ones that can digest eucaliptus leaves.

[@kadegetslaid634]

​@@autumnramble☠️ bro

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@autumnramble one of my creationist friends (a very dear now departed soul that was like a second father to me) figured that God must have made a separate creation for Australian animals.

[@waveman0]

for me what's worse for the flood myth is the koala, it only eats eucalyptus leaves (and is a fussy eater, so Queensland koalas only eat eucalyptus leaves specific to their region, Victorian koalas only eat eucalyptus leaves specific to their region etc), both of which only grow in Australia (the koala and eucalyptus trees), so Noah apparently imported a year's worth of eucalyptus leaves (and knew which type to import and had the ability to store them somehow without it all spoiling) from Australia (a place he had no knowledge of). The 2 koalas travelled to the middle east, starving all the way (as no eucalyptus trees grow along the way) from Australia, and then back again after the flood, again starving all the way back. What's worse is when they get back to Australia all the eucalyptus trees have died because they have been underwater for a year. So the koalas have to starve for a decade or so while the eucalyptus trees regrow.........

[@autumnramble]

Regrow from what, submerget, rotten roots?

[@alisaurus4224]

It’s worse than that. Koalas will not eat eucalyptus leaves that aren’t still attached to a living branch. Noah would need to keep a whole eucalyptus tree alive to feed them-in an enclosed boat with no sunlight. Maybe God provided grow lights?

[@waveman0]

@@alisaurus4224 I didn't know that thank you, mate, great info and I'll change my facts to suit the new information.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

Creationists will ultimately just use the cop-out - because God magically did it.

[@michaelmoore7975]

If you consider the "world" and everything that exists in it to those people in those times consists of an area along the Euphrates and a bit of the Eastern Mediterranean, it makes it easy to understand all the animals in that area comprises of approximately 70 to 100 species and can be accommodated by a medium-large boat with room to spare. That is the entire "world" to them. They cannot write about what they did not know, and we know they didn't because everything else that was written is completely within the confines of that same area, so it only makes sense that is also where all the animals of their world lived that could be gathered up. And there are plenty of modern-day analogues for us to reference. Anytime you see on the news about a big flood anywhere on earth, you always see footage of some farmer/rancher with their family, friends, neighbors, pets, livestock, and other farm animals being rescued by boats and shuttled off to safety. Noah did the same thing, but just scaled up in size.

[@pangln]

Not sure you understand how badly I need more reacteria

[@a-man3179]

Not a Christian, but i genuinely didn't know about the length of time it took for the full effect of the asteroid to occur. Thanks Doc!

[@spacecadetmcgee7349]

Yeah, me either. I was under the impression that asteroid go boom, sky go nuclear winter, dinosaur die, sun come out, mammal go yay!

[@fohrum4757]

"Guys, you have to read the material if you want to know this stuff." See, that's the thing though. The majority of religious people don't WANT to learn stuff that they think might shake their preconceived notions/beliefs. It's beyond frustrating to deal with people that can't think critically or understand the definition of 'evidence' and 'theory'.

[@tommy22791]

We could really use a series about geology and evolution geared towards people raised religiously homeschooled, or in a Christian school. I can't get enough of learning science lately. I feel like I really missed out on the fascination that could have started 20 years ago.

[@sledzeppelin]

Always remember: Apologists think it's perfectly fine - and even the holiest thing they can do - to tell lies in service to getting people "saved".

[@Markus73Sweden]

Forrest Valkai wouldn't have to do this if schools did their job and if homeschooling was abolished. What's wrong with America? Evolution is a fact and should be taught in every school worldwide. It shouldn't be an issue or a choice. Happy holidays from Sweden!

[@Ledinosour673]

well said

[@JamesLide-x5q]

Brilliant….that stretch of questions about Noah’s arc was one of the best things I have seen

[@ricardostutes660]

Agreed! I've actually saved this video so I can show that part if i ever get into a discussion about creation. Why? Memory. I've heard thousand of jokes in my life, but can I bring up more than 10 or 15 on the spur of the moment?

[@jakesmith5278]

That part was gold. Love Forest.

[@michaelmoore7975]

The atheist (actually anti-theist) and the religious fundamentalist (idiot) are perfect for each other. Each exists as a function of the other and share equal uselessness. The idiot fundamentalist is wrong because his interpretation ignores context. The anti-theist is wrong because he believes the interpretation of an idiot is worthy of argument.

[@Wilsontripplets]

I always think back to Bill Nye taking apart the arc board by board.

[@JLWarren]

The mental gymnastics of these cultists to fit the world to their belief is Olympic-level quality.

[@ChrisPhillipsMusic510]

Fantastic video as always Forrest. Truly those poor gophers knew not what they did to deserve death by planet flooding.

[@ianbabineau5340]

The whole second half was pure comedy gold. Yes it was educational, but it was extremely entertaining. Thank you.

[@meltorme-ntor2933]

I also liked how Jane says that "evolutionists don't have explanations for all the ice ages". Umm, wouldn't that be climatologists and geologists? And, of course, there is no such thing as "evolutionist", but that has been covered before.

[@stefanowohsdioghasdhisdg4806]

Evolutionist = anyone who disagrees with their particular literal interpretation of the bible

[@hedgehog3180]

Tbf evolutionist sounds like some awesome faction in a steampunk game so I'll happily identify like that. Sounds like I'm doing mad science experiments based on natural selection and creating like literal crab tanks.

[@maschyth3334]

You just triggered a memory of me asking my 9th grade Bible teacher, after a lesson on the flood, where black people came from. I was a real provocateur. 😂. He stuttered a bit and then said something about Ham having a dark complexion. If were as smart as I was clever back them, I would have called him out on that too.

[@johntiggleman4686]

But where did Ham get his darker complexion? And where did red heads come from?

[@maschyth3334]

@@johntiggleman4686 I think the implication my teacher was making was that Ham had dark skin because he was “cursed.” But at that time in my youth I had no idea how friggin’ racist that it.

[@PinHeadThePopeOfHell]

Your teacher was mistaken it was Shem that had the darkest complexion😅

[@userequaltoNull]

He could have easily explained it with the Tower of Babel. Common creationist L.

[@justusb.plorer8773]

I patiently await the day that John and Jane acknowledge Forrest's existence. Also, a slight factual error: both protofeathers and endothermy are currently believed to have been an ancestral trait in dinosaurs and probably all avemetatarsalians. It is even suggested in a study by P. Olsen _et al_ that this allowed them to weather a cold spell at the end of the Triassic much better than other contemporary clades, leading to their dominance from the early Jurassic onwards.

[@ChokeArtist411]

“ John I’m gonna need you to stop saying things” HILARIOUS delivery

[@minisimian]

Jane telling us "It kind of makes you think doesn't it? " , when their explicit goal is to STOP people thinking and researching this stuff is hilarious ...and sad at the same time .

[@RSFGman22]

Questioning things is the easy part, it's coming up with a logical conclusion that's the tougher part. If you just say God did it than you only have to do 5% of the work. That's what makes these religious pitches so successful. They don't seem to understand that not having every answer is apart of the process, and that being unsure is not a failure to understand a subject, but a desire to get closer to the answer instead of just boldly claiming a lie and calling it a day.

[@mckaylapaddock9319]

The global flood was easily the most absurd thing that I had a hard time rationalizing even was a devoted believer.

[@DreadEnder]

I was introduced to your channel relatively recently through scimandan and it is EXACTLY what I have been looking for! I study palaeontology in my free time until I can get into university to study it full time, and I always love to teach what I know and speak with other people who study or take an interest in palaeontology or any other field of evolutionary biology, or really any field of science (most of them anyway) and it seems you have the exact same policies and mindset that I have! And I saw that your a specialist teacher that can be hired to teach the subjects at different schools and that’s exactly what I’m doing! Except I’m doing it as volunteer work for my local primary schools as I’ve been taught that volunteer work is by far the best way to earn reputation! This is an excellent channel with an excellent captain at the helm and I can’t wait so see what it will become in the future! Also my room has been torn down and refurbished so I’ve left one of the walls blank and I’m modelling it after yours haha! I love your recording style!

[@Quickmask561]

My favorite flood question is : Where did all the water go?

[@ThatBigGuy824]

Reacteria is absolutely my favorite series on KZbin! I never laugh as hard as I do during these videos. Keep em coming!

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

Yeah exclusively watch Forrest for Reacteria. It's my therapy from when I was a creationist.

[@ThereWillBeSpaghetti]

I went to a private, non-denomination Christian school growing up. When I was in the 8th or 9th grade learning basic Biology, on the first day of class the teacher told us that we could read the chapters on evolution and dinosaurs on our own if we wanted to, but that they wouldn't be covered in class. Instead, we would have lessons covering his flavor of creationism. What we were taught was that the world was 6000 years old (classic), and that every species was able to coexist at the same time because there was a large, visible layer of water in the sky, covering the entire planet. Somehow this layer of water created enough oxygen in the atmosphere for dinosaurs and people to walk amongst each other. Then, when the flood happened, it was just this layer of water crashing down upon the planet, which is how there was enough water to cover the planet, and how there is no longer enough oxygen to support large creatures like dinosaurs. Of course, Noah brought two of each of the dinos onto the Ark, but unfortunately, they died. My parents thought I was being taught evolution and were not very happy to learn this lol.

[@undrwatropium3724]

I'm a 50 year old woman from BFE Arkansas and I'm just finding out about creationism and I wasn't taught that in public schools in the 80's. They're just making shit up and teaching kids this? Unbelievable the lengths the church will go to to keep people. I'm sorry

[@katiebarber407]

thats so sad and also scary im glad your parents werent insane

[@shaylagonser9341]

Just so you know that horses with one horn is Satanic deception and that Rhinoceroses are Biblical fact. Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros is Unicornis in Latin, African Two-Horned Rhinoceros is Bicornis in Latin just as described in the Bible. Yes it takes a genius to not know what Latin is. Lmao!

[@origaminosferatu3357]

People need to stop saying that higher oxygen levels means bigger creatures. It's literally ONLY BUGS. Only arthropods are directly and exclusively affected by higher oxygen levels like this.

[@johniec5282]

Did your parents get their money back?

[@SevenPr1me]

Imagine if there was just some localized flooding and Noah was just a farmer who just put some of his farm animals on a raft to ride out the floods. That makes more sense

[@phamhuyvinh]

Principle of parsimony?

[@katiebarber407]

im sure thats happened plenty of times throughout history. and none of them justify an entire religion

[@KingOfSciliy]

"I heard Noah survived the flood by putting himself and his animals on a boat." "What? He put his family and all their animals on a boat to survive the flood?" "WHAT! He saved himself and his family and two of every animal on the earth from a global flood?"

[@SevenPr1me]

@@KingOfSciliy who's talking in your little scenario there, if everyone died in the flood?

[@ctdaniels7049]

But did he surf...

[@qqweebird]

one of the first things i learned in my undergrad geology classes is what happens when you mix up a bunch of sediments of various sizes in water and allow it to settle out. it does not stratify into distinct layers with different structures, chemical and physical constituents, and incongruent contacts. if a global flood occurred, then why doesn't the entirety of the geologic column grade from large, heavy particles at the bottom to increasingly smaller particles near the top?? there is literally no logical way to explain what we see with the flood "model"

[@StevinVan]

I appreciate your ability to remain upbeat while responding to arguments raised by people who were clearly designed and developed in a Simpsons writers room

[@Strype13]

Forrest is easily the most entertaining debunker of creationist hogwash on the entire interweb. And that outro was hysterically legendary. Thanks for sharing, kind sir. Please do keep up the phenomenal work!

[@Lewa1110]

We need a forrest Valkai T-Shirt that says "Of what sins were the gophers guilty?!"

[@ren17x50]

What sin? Gophers are known to be of low moral fiber. Prone to wood thievery and chewing stuff. I'm not antigopherite, I've seen a few decent ones.

[@dragonvliss2426]

My favorite line currently is, "Birds are dinosaurs!" That never gets old. I open the window every morning a say to the birds hopping around on my lawn, "Good morning, little theropods~!"

[@landersiqueiros6538]

Hablas muy bien el español! Me encanta lo que haces, nos educas a nosotros y corriges a ellos que no cuentan la verdad. Te apreciamos y espero que en el futuro haya más gente como tú, es lo que falta hoy en día. Saludos desde México 🇲🇽❤

[@danielhill7149]

Had to pause and rewind several times because I was legit cry laughing! Also, no you didn't miss anything important and yes I'd love a quesadilla please and thank you

[@jblevin385]

This is officially my favorite Forrest Valkai video. Between the sheer frustration to the laundry list of questions, that clearly point to the absurdity of the subject, makes this awesome. Plus, I’d like a quesadilla.

[@BuddyBouncer]

The "laundry list" is nearly my favorite part of the video. At roughly 10 questions per minute, I counted over 50 individual objections to a ridiculous claim. The quesadilla bit had me cackling, and thankful I have a few tortillas left.

[@00Skyfox]

Listening to those two talk about their fairy tale book sounds just like listening to a 4 year old describe all the myths of Santa Claus and the easter bunny with wholehearted confidence that they’re right and the stories are true because they’re so magical.

[@radrichiie]

What I love the most about John and Jane is that their own science book always contradicts what they’re saying.

[@bactrosaurus]

Can we have a full video of just the problems with the flood? In the format of the rapid fire of questions?

[@InfinityKrompt]

You want an hour long video of Forrest tearing apart the flood? Because that's how you get an hour long video of Forrest tearing apart the flood.

[@ricardostutes660]

Totally agree! Forrest tearing apart the flood for an hour would be awesome. "Forrest tearing apart the flood" Try saying that 5 times in a row quickly!

[@randolphphillips3104]

I have become convinced that whoever writes Jane has a different definition of "think", but I am flummoxed as to what it is.

[@hedgehog3180]

I always find it funny to think about the many written records we have from when the flood was supposedly happening, like the Bronze Age Civilizations were all just chilling underwater I guess.

[@Ian_DSouza]

One of my favorite arguments against the global flood is the fact that the Sundance Sea formation is found beneath the Morrison formation. I've dug in both formations out in Thermopolis as an intern with the Wyoming Dino Center. There is a clear difference in the color of the rock, the shallow marine fossils never go above its own layer, and the swampy terrestrial environment of the Morrison directly contradicts the flood narrative. Fossilized camarasaurus footprints would have been washed away and couldn't be preserved. If there were a flood, the marine life (including belemnites and baby icthyosaurs) would have lasted longer than the several tonne sauropods.

[@thekwjiboo]

Forrest, I saw the funniest quote today. "Creationism - the belief that Kirk Cameron knows more than Stephen Hawking". It's a bit snarky, but still hilarious. I know you've mentioned the misplaced confidence of a lot of the young earth, anti-evolution crowd, so I figured you would get a kick out of that.

[@Oddball5.0]

There’s a growing pains joke here somewhere, but I can’t quite get it to work.

[@michaelmoore7975]

The atheist (actually anti-theist) and the religious fundamentalist (idiot) are perfect for each other. Each exists as a function of the other and share equal uselessness. The idiot fundamentalist is wrong because his interpretation ignores context. The anti-theist is wrong because he believes the interpretation of an idiot is worthy of argument.

[@kellydalstok8900]

The Dunning Kruger effect leads to misplaced confidence.

[@benfaust]

20:40 I would love a quesadilla. Thank you.