A Geometry based Geography puzzle for Flat Earthers.

Flat Earther's don't understand how an Equatorial mount works. If they did, they would understand why they confirm the Earth is a Globe.
But is is amusing to see their responses which only confirms they don't get it.

[@12345.......]

A flat earther is thinking, what does geometry, the study of rocks, have to do with maps.

[@axeman2638]

Geo is earth, litho is rocks.

[@MichaelOnines]

​​@@axeman2638geology is the study of the earths form, which includes composition of rocks. Lithography is a printing process.

[@mrxmry3264]

A flat earther - thinking??? LOL! ROFL! Thinking requires a brain, but all their brains have gone AWOL.

[@notahotshot]

​@@axeman2638 Yeah, I think you missed the joke.

[@thudthud5423]

@@notahotshot Let me continue the misconception... ...I miss the joke too. It was so funny but now its gone. I will never laugh again.

[@whereswa11y]

Forget Where’s Wally… Where’s Wolfie

[@heatshield]

No no no, we still need to know where your lasers are.

[@gregnietsky]

He has doxxwd his attitude now to find his longditude all the flerfs need to do to find him is work out if it's winter or summer where he is

[@acerimmeh]

Wolfie my dear man, your question makes no sense on FE. You see, you have failed to consider some factors that need to be known to answer that question on our true FE. For starters, what's the relative density disequalibrium force applied to your personal dome at the time the angle of that telescope was set? This is important to know because while you cant have gas pressure next to a vacuum, its well understood that Spectroscopy needs to be in a container. Another factor you left out is the ethers electromagnitc force that creates density relative to the atmoplain conditions. But remember, that needs to be measured at least 25 sheep units from the dome's innermost layer, not too close to the ice wall though. Now do you see why your question is nonsense? If any of that was beyond your understanding, Arwyn will gladly clear up any questions you may have. Of course, none of this would be an issue if you just used a P900, the best telescope EVER made, you could just zoom Tartaria back into view.

[@FrenchCrow]

🤣

[@friiq0]

Lol, I thought you were serious at first

[@Sherwoody]

This is so easy to do. All it requires is a P900 and a Milwaukee drill with a really really really long bit.

[@paulmadryga]

You win the Interwebs today, mate - that word salad was sheer brilliance! 😀

[@ramonortiz7462]

Can you direct our attention to any examples of gas having any,, ability to maintain a FIXED CURVING state in layers or bands!? How about any link showing how gas can resist a vacuum?? Or maybe you can cut to chase and show us how water in volume can maintain a FIXED CURVING state upon it's SURFACES as depicted on a model globe nearest you i.e. the ATLANTIC and PACIFIC OCEANS CURVING upon its SURFACES for almost 25,000 miles in CIRCUMFERENCE!!? Go.

[@JohnMichaelson]

You're going to break their little minds and leave them with nothing to reply back except "durr...it, uhh, works on a flat earth the same way."

[@Desertphile]

I have this vague feeling that this is some kind of trap....

[@mrandrat625]

Can it be?? The one, the only Desertphile! GTSY

[@clivedavis6859]

In order to spring the trap, we are going to need your GRAVITY Desertphile. Thanks, nNever gets old.

[@Dr_Wrong]

It is.. Can't track stars in yur bedroom.. 🤣

[@thegroz9270]

If you don't use an egg, it is not a valid experiment or demonstration. You forgot the egg!

[@AkatarawaJapan]

And the rapid squats. Those were the days.

[@MichaelOnines]

Follow-up challenge: now make that work on a flat-earth model.

[@Dr_Wrong]

Easy peasy, just bend the flat earth model (like a topological map does, but more) until the edges all touch and voilà! Works! My (only) vid shows how lol 🤣

[@my3dviews]

It only works if the telescope is sitting on the North Pole. From that point every star would make a circle with the centre straight up.

[@Dr_Wrong]

@@my3dviews _"From that point every star would make a circle with the centre straight up."_ Assuming flat earth rotates like a record, and not like a coin spinning onna table..

[@my3dviews]

@@Dr_Wrong They don't claim that the flat Earth rotates, but that a dome above it with the stars on it, rotates. So, from the central part of the F.E. with the centre of the rotating dome overhead, all of the stars on the dome would make a perfect circle. But, from any other location they would form an ellipse.

[@Dr_Wrong]

@@my3dviews I've always taken Flat Earth as a face value description. Sort of : "A celestial planet with the entire accessible surface parallel to mean sea level, while still featuring topographical irregularities." With no additional established qualifications such as: god-dunn-it; hollow; dome; ice walls; not any qualifiers on sun or moon whatsoever; Just sorta flat, as if hydrostatic equilibrium isn't a real thing.. Makes it easier to understand everyone's POV.

[@manojpri2001]

So, No-Rebuttal Norom continues to live up to his nickname, as I can see. He has started a lot of threads here so I was wondering if he might have a rebuttal or two. But no! Disappointing, yet unsurprising. Even the flatties seem to know what he is about.

[@realcygnus]

You should hear Gary in the discords every day lately, wolfie wolfie wolfie says EQ mounts can't track from horizon to horizon, king's rate ho hum. Also, perhaps his best yet "You'll wind up at the equator if you FOLLOW a compass east" ~ Gary Wybenga circa 2023 ..... & he's already quadrupled down on it. Apparently those vids/memes/animations showing how any "initial" east direction makes a great circle when wrapped really confused him. He also messed up your rhumb line lessons amidst all of that derp as well.

[@Wolfie6020]

Gary is like a broken record on that one and blatantly lying. He misunderstood what I said completely. Ask him to quote my exact word and he crumbles. Ask him to explain King rate tracking in his own words. He has no idea what it means. Just parroting things he hears with no understanding once more.

[@realcygnus]

@@Wolfie6020 BIG time. I no longer even think he believes a single word of his own BS. He's ONLY in it for the confrontation itself & the insults. Which is even more bizarre actually. But at least its ALL a matter of permanent public record for his descendants & humanity at large to admire forever.

[@Justin.Franks]

@@Wolfie6020Can confirm. I let him know that the King rate correction is something on the order of 0.003º per hour (it varies based on latitude and declination, but it always tiny). So closer to the horizon, a star might move at 15.037º per hour instead of 15.04º per hour. And Gary still thinks that this minuscule error means EQ mounts don't work at all on a globe.

[@ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI]

I imagine he's probably octupled down by now as all good FE's do.... Come back in a year, he'll Millidruple down. Basically well run out of n-tuples before he'll have an understanding of reality.

[@Sableagle]

No-one should hear Gary, not even once never mind every day. @@realcygnus

[@romithromith]

Options: 1. babble word salad 2. babble conspiracy theory 3. attack Wolfie 4. run away

[@TriggeredLimey]

It has to be somewhere on Nibiru! You can tell because, in the video, Wolfie's body is non-existent. So he must be on the non-existent planet! #science

[@facty2150]

The equator?

[@ofdlttwo]

I'm a " globie". My guess is the equator

[@AndrewEddie]

Hi Globie, I'm a Mac! (old PC vs Mac joke, hehe)

[@delboy7264]

AGREED MY FRIEND !

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

I asked Nathan Oakley what device he would use to track the stars on a flat earth. This is his reply: "Equatorial mount requires a flat earth. It uses the equatorial plane. That’s flat! As doses (sic) the Equator."

[@FrenchCrow]

Isn't it quite unusual for you to stay in such small latitudes? Flat-earthers will never get why the eq mount destroys their pseudo-model, nor how consistent the model of a "spherical rotating earth + very distant sun/stars" is, anyway.

[@Wolfie6020]

Yes typically we don't stay in these locations, We drop off and return to Darwin to await the pick up. This trip was a little difference. Nice to have some international time in October. Most unusual.

[@ramonortiz7462]

Maybe you can explain what an EQUATORIAL PLANE is and why it exists??

[@FrenchCrow]

@@ramonortiz7462 It's self-explanatory what it is, yet it's a virtual plane - obviously.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@FrenchCrow You are dishonest!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJvRfX2qd9mJm6csi=r3vuwvQhdFWuiOQK

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@ramonortiz7462 So because you don't get how something works you want us to do the work for you? Why haven't you been able to answer wolfies question from the video? We are all waiting for your answer

[@AndrewEddie]

I'm thinking you can see both celestial poles as well :)

[@Wolfie6020]

Almost 🙂

[@gowdsake7103]

Indeed

[@Dr_Wrong]

Needs a taller tripod.. 🤣🤣

[@do_notknow_much]

But is Wolfie having a burrito in Quito?

[@ramonortiz7462]

Nope. Even your own "model" admits you cannot see your alleged SOUTHERN pole STAR with naked eye!!

[@NG-VQ37VHR]

I think it's pretty obvious, you've made it past the ice wall and walked over the edge. Thats the only location where you could be pointing at polaris with that angle.

[@ramonortiz7462]

And yet you think a vertices is in Hades i.e. Sheol being your Baal earths core!!?

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@ramonortiz7462 didn't I tell you to stop drinking when taking your meds?

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@Requiem4aDr3Am Ad hominem,,a favorite for those with no rebuttal. THANKS. FLAT EARTH CONFIRMED

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@ramonortiz7462 That isn't an ad hominem you didn't present an actual argument. Please learn terms before trying to use them.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@Requiem4aDr3Am Locating dustpan for feathers!! Out of a dozen posts why have you refrained from showing us how water in volume can maintain a fixed--curving--state upon it's SURFACES? You do believe that this is exactly what the OCEANS of earth are engaged in,,,no??

[@duzdunyabukucu1]

Flerfs: Nuh Nuh. I see too far

[@andrew051968]

It’s sad how I can set up a polar mount using my latitude south -90 to point at any geostationary satellite in a 120 degree arc and they can’t comprehend it. I’ve yet to see a flat earth model where the stars behave like they do here in Australia.

[@awatt]

Australia is a Hollywood film studio. A continent infested with giant bouncing mice...nice try NASA. Globe confirmed 💯🌎

[@Sableagle]

90°? They're only 6.61 equatorial radii out from the axis, so you'd have to look a bit past the 0° declination stars to see them.

[@andrew051968]

@@Sableagle OK bad explanation - I'm at 36 degrees south, so you get a vertical pole, lean the top back 54° towards the south (90-36=54), & you can point to geostationary satellites by leaving the elevation set and just changing the axis around the pole.

[@MichaelOnines]

​I got it on my third read-through.

[@AtheistRex]

We’ve yet to see any flat earth model.

[@HOOOLD_ON]

If this video was five seconds longer, you'd hear Emma run around, shouting, in the background: *_"Me, daddy, me. I know the answer. Can I answer?"_* All the flatties (except that special one) will sit still in the boat on this one.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

I wonder how many more threads ramonortiz will start up as he continues to get shut down in each and every thread he tries to start up

[@gruntled3049]

The attention is what he lives for, even at the expense of being humiliated. He's willing to pay that price because, all his sad, little life, he's never really got any. The more we respond the more he will post. The real experiment would have been to see how long he'd keep posting if he got no attention at all (like on his channel). But some people got no chill! They see this cretin post some of his usual, repetitive nonsense and they just have to go hammer and tongs at him immediately!

[@gliff2457]

The moronations just keep coming, eh?! I asked Norom what the world population is, and how many billions of those share his misconceptions about the shape of the earth and everything. He didn't have an answer, of course. Asked him to elaborate on his moronations about the West Asia situation. And, finally, that's what got me blocked! 😂

[@roygarcia9806]

Oh hello hello hello! I'm familiar with your work! 😂 So he's blocked you? It was fun while it lasted, I hope. Anyway, you can keep chirping at him here and there is nothing he can do about it!

[@manojpri2001]

LMAO Nice to run into you both, my fellow-alumnus from Norom's channel. Truth be told, I knew The Glyph was trolling him but I genuinely thought Roy Garcia was a true fan of Norom's! Poe's law strikes again!

[@roygarcia9806]

​@@manojpri2001 How dare you! I've never been so insulted!

[@kellyd6195]

Admit it, you’re an operative spy for those icewall security penguins. 😜 On a related note, I’ve been taking my physics students outside to observe the moon’s phases and observe how a ball, aligned with the moon, produces the same shadows. Every time I ask them how can the shadow on a ball produce the same results on the moon. Without giving any clues, they’ve started figuring out why.

[@Wolfie6020]

That is great. Such a good experiment to try. I showed Emma that and explained why also.

[@williamwoods8022]

@@Wolfie6020 You do great stuff exposing the FE PSYOP - Pistol Packing Pilot on his channel also does a great job of exposing what is happening to pilots and everyone else who took the jibbyjab bio-weapon as does Dr John Campbell on here and Dr Sam bailey etc as well.

[@Stopstalkingmenarokkurai]

@@Wolfie6020 everyone is waiting for you to provide footage of curve. Snitchrequim says you have footage of curve from your cockpit. I've asked you multiple times for drone footage proving curve. You dissapear everytime. If you are not a disinformation actor back it up with evidence

[@Stopstalkingmenarokkurai]

@@williamwoods8022 wolfies a fraud. Ask him for evidence of curve fron his cockpit. Here is thousands of miles of earth sped up starting with a flight. 0 curve

[@Stopstalkingmenarokkurai]

Since you're a round earth expert. Here us a basic round earth question. Since you are an expert round earther. Here is a basic round earth question.. Round earth says the moon is 238500 miles on the light side of earth for 13.5 days every month. How does the moon a solid object. Reflect suns light to the dark side of earth? Sunlight can't get to the dark of earth or the moon. How does the moon reflect sunlight to the dark side of earth? While on the light side of earth for 13.5 days.

[@bunnykiller]

Equatorial Asia would be my guess, why asia? the door gives me a hint.... ;)

[@aBRUSHforCONFUCIUS]

If you ever stop making Flash Earth videos, please make astronomy and pilot videos. You have an excellent voice and accent. Plus, your demeanor is really pleasant and your instruction is deepy enjoyable. Thank you.

[@AndySmith450I]

Yes, but I map around the drive with a globe in my mumma's pocket.

[@whereswa11y]

Can you please show the angle of the sun rise or sun set … just so I can confirm my guess at latitude

[@danlotroth9231]

Looks like the telescope is petty close to 90° to plum to me

[@RORY1230]

I predict a hoard of "truth seekers" will just assert that the Equator doesn't exist instead of following this to its logical conclusion.

[@Dan_C604]

Of course I am not a flattie. But my guess is that your are somewhere along the equatorial line :) cheers Wolfie! Always so good to see your videos

[@donjezza]

It looks parallel to the ground so you must be somewhere warm

[@Wolfie6020]

Yes very warm

[@nkronert]

What, you're doing astronomy in a sauna? 😉

[@joecooksey4331]

See my post... I know exactly where you are... LOL. I cheated with FlightRadar24.@@Wolfie6020

[@Sableagle]

@@nkronert Looking at the stars of Hollyoaks is _not_ astronomy.

[@DanielTate-wt9jt]

Somewhere between +2 and the equator. It looks slightly angled, but that may just be the way it looks on the video. If it's pointing at the North celestial pole right on the Northern horizon, then the mount would be at the equator.

[@tjjones621]

Notice how desperate some of the fe'r comments are. Every single one of them uses the globe map to drive around...

[@FlatEarthMath]

Wolfie, you sem very confused, as your telescope is pointed directly at the Ice Wall™️®️.

[@sthurston2]

Seeing the Sun go almost perfectly overhead on the Equinox would be so neat and so baffling on a flat Earth.

[@fepeerreview3150]

One of these days I want to make it to Quitsato, Ecuador for the equinox.

[@martinconnelly1473]

I have been somewhere (just once sadly) when the sun changed from passing to the North at noon the day before to passing to the South at noon the day after. For those of us from more than 50° away from the equator it is a big deal and memorable. The upside is that when the summer solstice comes round you can follow the movement of the sun at night even though it may be below the polar horizon, the light never really goes away. I have seen the starts rotating around both celestial poles, it seems to me that flerfs need to travel more.

[@Sableagle]

@@martinconnelly1473 I've done that summer solstice thing at Brimham Rocks. The sky to the north stayed green all --night.-- astronomical twilight. (Edited because Brimham Rocks doesn't _get_ night from early May to the end of July.)

[@martinconnelly1473]

@@Sableagle Went there in the 90s with my children but only during the daytime

[@fedogma8407]

Show a flat earther this short 30 second video of the Singapore sun setting perpendicular to the horizon and ask them "How does that sun return to the east to rise again in the morning?" Their brains come to a screeching halt as the cognitive dissonance kicks in. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoO1oXt8pr6Zo7c

[@RogHawk]

I really think we need the help of Flat Out on this one.

[@awatt]

No we don't. Can't afford another hotel fire.

[@misterjoerg8086]

Hooold on! How can you have an eq-mount without a container???

[@Wolfie6020]

LOL

[@drosophilamelanogaster4262]

Namibia

[@clivedavis6859]

Well, that means rules out LEO using it then.

[@RamenOrwheeze]

HI. I'm Ramen. I'm a flat earth idiot. I look a little like Clark Gable, I have a funny smokers voice and I've never been laid.

[@bizarronorom9696]

If you connat refrence me to any resembulance to Granted Carys ,,,,,,,, then I wood claim reseambulance posthaste _______ to the estimated Gabled Clerks :::::::::: in poster form of miniaturised portraits +++++++ to be delivered to me after auction by Royalty Mail then to be disspatched to Parry's for renovation and restoration as the case mebbe please be advised. Howevver in the abcense of rebuttals I'll have to go by just the old butt and de eclair mysself the WHINNER and the TRUMPANT of the fat erth dibbate hence entrophied in posteriority.

[@bizarronorom9696]

I allso insest that you ,,,,,,,,verrily and mustly;;;;;; adrress me by my nomiker of joyce of 'NOROM'. Ramin*''*''* is sort of bred that nonAmerican cityzens and dennisons eat and drink and I excuse to be thusly adrresed in froakcoat and toffhat. You are excused. Git. I said git.

[@throwawayavclubber7269]

@@bizarronorom9696 Ah, nice to see you again, Real Ramon™.

[@bizarronorom9696]

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[@phillipkidd762]

Or really confuse the flers by turning the scope to face south... and still in the correct position.

[@GymRowboat]

Well, that can't work because compasses only point north. ;o)

[@phillipkidd762]

Damn. I should have said "anti-north" then.😀

[@AtheosAtheos]

Clinging just at the edge of the FE with the cam lying on the side.

[@tjjones621]

Wow Wolfie, you have really triggered the fu*k out of ramon ortiz. LOL

[@roygarcia9806]

Norom is sleeping. He's at the age where he often drops off as he's making a video or posting a comment. Not that his flerfery is because of his senility. He has always been this way all his life: wilfully ignorant, spectacularly unintelligent, dishonest and cantankerous.

[@roygarcia9806]

Hey, there's another one here called RamenOrWheeze. I'm surprised you haven't mistaken him too for Ramon Ortiz! 🤦

[@tjjones621]

@@roygarcia9806 That's why I am different than most globies. It doesn't matter if they are poe or true believer. I am also here for the entertainment like they are. My only argument... both poe and true believer use the globies' map to drive around. Just typing it makes me laugh. Haven't you noticed that trend in my comments??? For instance... I know ramon wasn't the first name he used. He's Flat Earth Data and he knows not to mention Cartesian Coordinates in any of his comments. LOL Heck, YOU could be one of his sock account. Even more heck.... I could be one because he is just that bored that he might think battling himself with dueling sock accounts won't make him look genuinely crazy.

[@roygarcia9806]

@@tjjones621 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 What makes you different is your flerf-level paranoia. Everyone is a sock or a poe, and everyone is angry and triggered by you while you entertain yourself by posting comments here. In fact, Wolfie is a poe too: he's actually a flerf trying to pass off as a regular, normal person. And succeeding! 🤣 It's obvious what's going on here with you, my friend. All I can do is sympathize with you: I'd be very embarrassed too, but I'd have had the character to admit that I was mistaken. But you carry on. I'm sure there are more entertaining things for you to do here.

[@tjjones621]

@@roygarcia9806 Yes, I will carry on asking both flerf and poe about their map. I have found the holy grail of FE. We all use the exact same map of the whole Earth. It means we are all globies and it defeats every serious argument and all satire... and it bothers you.

[@sharpthingsinspace9721]

I’m not a flatty so I guess I can’t comment but I would like to be there in the coming months, I live in Minnesota U.S.A.

[@12345.......]

Just visit az. 60° highs in the dead of winter. Maybe one night of frost in the past 3 years.

[@gregnietsky]

I've been watching flatzoid clearly its 60 degrees

[@clivedavis6859]

and it's optical, not physiical. The equatorial mount was not set up on a horizontal base line and the star's GP is not on the same horizontal plane. Whoopsie. There has never been any proof of star's rotation. What is the IV and DV? I can just hear him babbling on and giving his irritating laugh. Were you also purged?

[@reneberthold334]

you mean 60 nM... xD

[@gregnietsky]

@@reneberthold334 no regular sky miles he does not live on the coast

[@c.augustin]

Near the equator. If I'm not mistaken, you gave a clear hint: That the telescope can track *any* star in the sky where you are (or wasn't this part of the puzzle?). That "single axis of rotation" is a red herring, right? Isn't that what an EM can do anywhere on earth if set up correctly? What I'm not sure is if that is the usual way to position the EM (I don't do astronomy as a hobby, so I'm not sure), having the nice NASA logo horizontal should also work (just the axis have to be used differently)?

[@notahotshot]

No, "single axis of rotation" is not a red herring. Yes an equatorial mount can track using a single axis of rotation anywhere on earth if set up correctly. The question is where is he on earth, considering the mount, as shown in the video, is set up correctly (pointing north, and polar aligned). Basically where is he, considering the telescope is pointing at the North Star, Polaris. It's at or near 0° (horizontal), so he's at or near the equator.

[@c.augustin]

@@notahotshot Yeah, maybe it was necessary to state this as a reminder for those not understanding EMs at all. Still, somewhat strange *how* it was said (the context).

[@notahotshot]

@@c.augustin well he could have just pointed in the direction of the North Star and asked, "What latitude am I at, if I'm pointing at the North Star?" His horizontal arm would have given the same info that the horizontal telescope gives us. The North Star is at or near the horizon, so he's at or near the equator.

[@c.augustin]

@@notahotshot And the hint that you can observe any star in the sky from his location says the same thing (well, it just takes a year). But maybe he didn't mean it this way, just all the stars you can see in the night sky where you are (and this is also a normal thing with EMs). Boils down to where the North Star is - everything else were distractions … 😁

[@Dr_Wrong]

Huh. Drat, facing north is very different than facing the north star..

[@clivedavis6859]

But the name of the apparatus gives the game away. Not that the flat earthers would realise this. Some don't believe the equator exists.

[@vimalramachandran]

The equator. Flerfs have weird excuses like "personal atmospheric dome" to try and explain away the Eq mount. Don't ask what that means. 😂

[@61066clocks]

Well it would be close to the equator..But You do You really think.a flerf will Answer?..lol

[@heatshield]

I can see the shadow of the edge of the furniture on the carpet in the mirror. That’s going to take some real work to be useful.

[@clivedavis6859]

But that proves it is CGI. Now you have to name the software "they" used to fake it. That was what I was demanded by Flatzoid. Lol.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

looks like you are just barely north of the equator. maybe malaysia or indonesia?

[@Wolfie6020]

Bingo!. Yes Indonesia.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@Wolfie6020 whew I'm smarter than a flat earther afterall. Now I can rest well

[@shegocrazy]

Telescope looks flat. Near or on the equator?

[@roygarcia9806]

Which came first, Ramoune: the egg or the ant?

[@RamenOrwheeze]

are you Ramen? If not you should really stop slurping his nuts. He's an idiot.

[@brad.fuller]

Which AXIS of this mount rotates? The one perpendicular to the ground or the one parallel to the ground? (as a non astro person, I have no clue, sorry) PS the earth is a globe.

[@stephenandrusyszyn3444]

Actually, both do. But the important one is the one parallel to the ground.

[@Wolfie6020]

Hi Brad, the one parallel to the ground.

[@Dr_Wrong]

I guess it's the one most level, because neither are parallel to the ground.. In fact nothing _can be_ parallel to the ground except on a _flat_ earth.. I thought that was the whole point of the challenge : Ground ain't parallel to apparent motion of celestial bodies..

[@mitcHELLOworld]

@@Dr_Wrong your profile pic is pretty disturbing. Why would anyone do that to a dog? weirdo.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@stephenandrusyszyn3444 Yes that is a better answer than what I said.. 100% true

[@fedogma8407]

There is no sound or transcript but I was finally able to read what was said by clicking "CC". Without giving the exact latitude, I live in Bangkok and if I took a 2 hour 20 minute flight to airport SIN, I would be about 1° north of your location. Edited...Sorry, but the sound problem was my computer.

[@ramonortiz7462]

1° south.

[@fedogma8407]

@@ramonortiz7462 Nope, SIN is north of the equator at the tip of the Malay Peninsula.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@fedogma8407 Got ya. So. Will you make any attempt at the what & why for your models adherence to an "equatorial plane"!?? Go

[@fedogma8407]

@@ramonortiz7462 Are you incapable of Googling "equatorial plane" and doing research on your own? It is not a hard concept to understand.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@ramonortiz7462 so you just demonstrated to everyone here that you couldn't figure out the location and then immediately deflected into a question about the equatorial plane that you don't get how it works either. Interesting. Which map do you use for turn by turn directions?

[@corycaserta748]

Mr. 6020; You must be somewhere near an area near your telescope's namesake, 'nuff sed, there. ;-D I just reviewed your channel, and YOU HAVE 513 videos. It would be great if you did a 2hr "Best of" recap, or maybe a 2-per-day resubmittal for 6 mos. Jus' sayin'...

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks, I was thinking of that, doing a video summarising the key areas this channel has addressed.

[@ramonortiz7462]

To reaffirm globe erf and try and quench the massive mutineers leaving Baal earth.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@ramonortiz7462 Still unable to address the video or answer wolfie's question I see. Not surprised. You have no answers for the geometry which confirms we live on a globe and that the earth cannot be flat.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@Requiem4aDr3Am Already explained even though this is based on blatant cognitive dissonance! kzbin.info--sgoLh9kXA?si=9i2UIgn6HY9PX_KI Polaris never loses altitude yet as we travel further away from the north headed south an celestial object will appear,,, I said appear to lose height and is due to perspective as area under STAR is limited whilst area above STAR is INFINITE.

[@gowdsake7103]

Oh oh oh knows this, The place where my alt az wont get field rotation

[@RV-fg3ml]

Stars move from left to right at the northern hemisphere and south of the equator they move from right to left...

[@Sableagle]

Kind of depends which way you're looking, doesn't it?

[@kiwibob8967]

@RV-fg3ml It's the other way round. Counter clockwise in the north, clockwise in the south (when looking at their respective celestial poles).

[@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549]

Gud job Wolfman. 👍🏻You just ripped intellectually challenged ballerfers a collective fresh one! Ouch 🪛Uranus! 🌎🔨 ⚰ Meanwhile Jeran is busy explaining refraction on Globbusters! Who ya gonna call!

[@Katy_Jones]

Ah but no but, it's a trick question! EQ mounts don't work on Moron Narnia.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

I'd say you're in a bar.

[@ramonortiz7462]

Can anyone tell me what the xy plane is and why it is used??

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

why so you can just show us all that you don't get how any of this works? how about you answer the question wolfie asked of flerfs in the video? We are all waiting for your answer. If you don't answer it then we'll all just assume that is because you know the earth is a globe.

[@reneberthold334]

Thank's Bob... and rest in Peace old flatti 😞

[@kevincass5410]

How the &%*!# can you track indoors? 😅

[@simond.455]

Tracking is not the problem, but seeing might. Even when you turn the lights off. 😆

[@nicholasgloc8555]

It would still track if Wolfie left the lense cap on.

[@MrAndrewLarmour]

I reckon you're in Singapore at just 1° North of the equator

[@Wolfie6020]

Not Singapore but you have the right Latitude.

[@chrisantoniou4366]

@@Wolfie6020 The axis is pointing straight up and down! How can this be on the Equator???

[@MrAndrewLarmour]

@@Wolfie6020 Kuching, Malaysia? Macapa, Brazil? Libreville, Equatorial Guinea? Kampala, Uganda?

[@tornagawn]

New York London Paris Munich, everybody’s talking ‘bout…. Pop Music 🎵

[@Sableagle]

@@chrisantoniou4366 That's the declination axis. The right ascension turntable is the bit with the NASA logo.

[@Bnslamb]

First?

[@sharpthingsinspace9721]

No

[@OceanAce]

Yes 🍪

[@SiriusMined]

who cares?

[@awatt]

Congratulations and here is your 🥇

[@Bnslamb]

@@awatt 👍My first first ever 😉

[@baskerwilliam4492]

Can the flat earth believers understand simple physics? If we climb to 73 nautical miles (nm) above the earth and glance around 360 degrees we can only see a flat horizon, because, earth radius is 3,440 nm. 73 nm above the earth's surface (a distance that flat earth believers claim we must be able to see the earth's curvature) is 2.1% of the radius. Imagine being an ant standing on the top of a competition basketball and gazing 360 degrees around from where you stand. The radius of the ball is 240 millimetres and your eyes, at 2.1% of that radius would be 5.04 of a millimetre (mm) above the surface of that ball. How could you see a curvature between you and the horizon in any direction because you would have to be able to see that curvature sloping away from you to the horizon? You could not see a curvature of the distant horizon sloping away 90 degrees at the horizon to either your left or right because you are on a plane which is relative to the horizon, not the same altitude, and equidistant to the horizon in all directions from you. Simply adjust that picture to the size of the earth and you can see that claiming a curved horizon makes no sense at all, because the horizon is flat as described. It is easier to draw this out on paper and you get the full picture. It is interesting to note that the International Space Station (ISS) orbits at 400 kilometres (216 nautical miles which is 3 times the above quoted distance) above the earth so I would imagine that flat earthers would accept what is seen from the ISS but I note my previous where I say that the observers there could only see a curvature away from them toward the horizon in any of 360 directions. The horizon surrounding them will always be straight/level as they are on the same plane, not the same altitude, as the horizon. I hope this can put a stop to the claims of an horizon being curved to the left and right of an observer.

[@programaths]

That was so simple that I had to read the comments to check that I was not thinking it wrong. 🤣

[@alancrabb]

The answer is 132. Oh sorry, I thought you said gematria based.

[@crowxe]

I'm kinda flat earther as it's been long for me looking into any globe/FE stuff, it looks like that's on the equator, assuming the rotation axis of that mount is horizontal, but my mind lost the grasp on how would that orientation and rotation would follow any star other than the polar star

[@spheroidialmaster1910]

It need not "follow" the Pole star in that orientation but would be pointed constantly AT the Pole star without moving. (assuming a hypothetically clear horizon). The telescope itself is pointing parallel to the Polar axis going from left to right in the picture. The red bar holding the weights is the declination axis. Point the telescope directly toward the camera by rotating it around that axis and it will be pointing due East. Turn on the drive which powers rotation around the Polar axis and the telescope will follow a star in that field WITHOUT changing the declination setting again. This works for ANY star at ANY declination, and is not possible on a flat plane.

[@crowxe]

@spheroidialmaster1910 thank you, that was a good refreshment to my info 🙂

[@Wolfie6020]

@@spheroidialmaster1910 Perfect explanation!

[@spheroidialmaster1910]

@@Wolfie6020 Thanks.

[@ramonortiz7462]

​@@Wolfie6020Why didn't you apply a Wolfie heart emoji then!? I bet he was disappointed..

[@tjjones621]

There is only one flatearther left... his name is ramon ortiz... LOL

[@roygarcia9806]

There's another one here. Calls himself Misty Fire or something like that. As dumb as they come! Norom-level dumb!

[@tjjones621]

@@roygarcia9806 It's ramon with another sock account. lol

[@eamonnsiocain6454]

Good question; however, I doubt that those who assert that the earth is flat can understand the question, let alone answer it.

[@ramonortiz7462]

I have been approached and offered a place in coming times as an instructor in one of many Flat Earth re--- education camps-- being erected in old Walmart dept stores. Could you imagine finally meeting your writer in such a case??! I was not only delighted but exhilarated to possibly play a role in the pursuit of coming excellence therefore I say now,,,,, convert!! Pledge allegiance to the flat earth phenomenon now!! Reality needs you,,,, kinda. And don't forget to vote !!PMURT

[@Danikar]

Aww, it's cute you think anyone would be dumb enough to believe any of that. Sorry, Norom. Normal people aren't that gullible.

[@atakerofmickies4300]

"...meeting your writer..." 😂😂😂 It's not just that your writing is abysmally poor, Norom; it's also your hilarious delusions about your writing! They are just as entertaining as your confidence in your understanding of science. A true top-left, if there ever was one! Well done, Norom! Yeah, actually, I wouldn't have minded meeting you at all! I actually am curious about how you look. We all know how Daniel Pratt looks, and I actually have seen a video of the "Level Earth Observer" that someone else put up. I sure would like to assign a face to the Moronator too. So, Pratt, I was asking you about. Is he a friend? Are you mutual admirers?

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@atakerofmickies4300 !!UfTs You wouldn't like me. 5 ft 11--- 238 lbs of a mix between Tom cruise and Rocky Marciano.... I'm sometimes in residence of Flat Earth conferences where I lurk in the shadows to run into cowards like Jeran.

[@atakerofmickies4300]

​@@ramonortiz7462 Yes, I'm sure I wouldn't like you, Norom. But that's NOT on account of how you look like a cross between a sloth and a walnut. And, I can also totally imagine you lurking in the shadows everywhere. You're just the sort who would.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@atakerofmickies4300 I'm busy now preparing to win big at Bonhams.. So buzz away as later I will seek another platform in my constant,, pursuit of an rebuttal..

[@tjjones621]

Ramon finally self destructed...

[@atakerofmickies4300]

Norom is back, as expected and predicted. He responded to me with emoticons some 14 hours after he started his unwittingly hysterically funny "T minus" countdown to his departure. He's done this before. Several times. He's 'threatened' to leave, said goodbyes, only to shamelessly return with the exact same moronations.

[@AndySmith450I]

I forgot to add my usual joke that you globe around with a drive of the pocket in your map. LOL

[@AndySmith450I]

Also you drive around with a map of the globe in your pocket.

[@tjjones621]

@@atakerofmickies4300 even funnier... I got so far under his skin asking him about his map, he decided to make a duplicate account of me. I am tjjones621. He made 622. So desperate it bleeds comedy. He thinks I actually care about youtube. lol

[@AndySmith450I]

Yeah, anyone who sees how I come back every few days, get triggered by old posts and pile on the replies can see that I don't care about youtube. lol.

[@ramonortiz7462]

I will physically demonstrate precisely what cognitive dissonance is by asking an question that will produce great frustration and anger which will be applied per mutual cognitive dissonance and direct evasion to said question.... Attention. Why don't they know what gravity is itself in any fundamental way?? Is it entirely due to.. Gravity itself cannot be physically 1. Detected itself 2. Identified itself 3. Isolated 4. Harnessed itself Why is it impossible to directly detect or identify the alleged force, power or influence of gravity itself on the earth? Is it due to gravity lacking... 1. Presence of itself 2. Substance of itself 3. Form of itself 4. Physicality of itself 5. All the above You may now unleash cognitive dissonance as you see fit to administer in your continuous failure to produce an honest rebuttal!! Proceed. Ok?

[@themisanthrope4646]

Yes Ray. We know that you are the physical embodiment of cognitive dissonance. You need not drive the point home any further. Stop ignoring the universal answer that you've been given to your nonsensical question a million times over. We don't need to know what gravity is in order to observe, measure, predict and manipulate its effects. The ability to do any of those is verification of the existence of gravity. However, because you're so adamant that only that which can physically demonstrated can be real, perhaps you can provide us all with a physical demonstration of the flat earth. Or, any of the observable phenomena that we see in reality actually working on a flat earth. If you can't do that Ray, then flat earth must not exist. Just like your God. You absolute dunsel.

[@topspin110]

You will fail at precisely demonstrating that 1) you know how to use a sextant, 2) flight plans work on a flat earth. 3) an accurate flat earth map without distortions actually exists! 4) there is no such thing as a pressure gradient. 5) you actually understand any of these things you moronate on (like laws of gravitation, the gas laws, relativity, cartography, basic physics, middle-school level maths and so on) 6) you'd pass an English language (spoken, written, comprehension) test. 7) the apparent speed of the sun across the sky changes through the course of a day. And so on and so forth. Ok.

[@Cunninglylinguistic]

"Globe heretics turning on each other"??? Lol So, remind us again, Norom: what is it that you have to say about Mark Sargent? Jeranism? The late Bob Knodel? And even Eric Dubay whose lies you keep plagiarizing and quoting? from anyway? Everyone agrees on the shape and size of Earth, the distances to the moon, the sun, the stars and planets, the nature of our cosmos etc. You flerfs can't agree on a single thing! Not distances, not maps, not a working model of the Earth, nor explanations for sunrise, sunsets, the seasons, eclipses, the ISS sightings... Nothing! And you think everyone else is turning on one another!

[@doranku]

Is it the plaoe where a level AltAz mount works the same as an EQ?

[@KeithMilner]

I wonder if Wolfie is near my location? Unfortunately, light pollution and current hazy conditions aren't good for astronomical observations here.

[@Wolfie6020]

Just North of the Equator. Cloudy tonight unfortunately.

[@coriscotupi]

You lost them when you mentioned "geometry".

[@ramonortiz7462]

Why? Is it next to impossible for even one of you to finish this sentence... We " don't know what gravity-is-itself because?? You now understand the ramifications of just one true flat earther... Now image 2 or 3.

[@Danikar]

We have finished that sentence many times Norom, remember? We don't know what gravity itself is because we dont know everything and that aspect of the universe hasn't been discovered yet. You can replace gravity with electro magnetism or the strong force or the weak force. It's the same. You, Ramona, could also replace it with buoyancy. Not us. We know what buoyancy fundamentally is, but you don't. Which is why you cower every time you are asked *why do less dense things float and more dense things sink?* You cant answer can you? Because you dont know fundamentally what buoyancy is. But dont forget, not knowing what something is doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And yes, we know the effect of one flat earther: laughter. All we do is laugh and poke fun at you. 2 or 3 flat earthers is more laughter.

[@speed-blinkingforbeginners2249]

It's Norom who has been hogging all the laughter here, though. And he keeps coming back for more, recycling the same old moronations! This quote isn't the first instance of Norom failing to comprehend what a physicist is saying. And that's why I ask him to start small, start with the basics before attempting to "debunk gravity".

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@speed-blinkingforbeginners2249 Basically gravity--itself hasen't one iota- of PRESENCE, SUBSTANCE, FORM or PHYSICALITY of ITSELF to DIRECTLY DETECT, IDENTIFY, ISOLATE or HARNESS!

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@speed-blinkingforbeginners2249 That's why they " don't know what gravity-is-itself in any- fundamental-- WAY"!

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@Danikar Ignorance is upon the globe in magnitude!! Less dense matter displaces water and will float--->>Oops. Or must you WAVE magic wand- to complicate it to awe with vast equations containing symbols that have no place in the physical- laws of physics!

[@Earthislife1031]

At the equator

[@ramonortiz7462]

I ask 2 questions. What is an equatorial plane,,,, and why exactly is one REQUIRED on a giant spinning spherical water world space ball? I will permanently remove myself from KZbin if anyone can physically replicate 1. Gas having ANY ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state in bands or layers.. 2. Water in volume having ANY ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state upon it's SURFACES 3. Physically replicate a vacuum,, without a physical--container.. 4. Physically DEMONSTRATE gas having ANY ability to resist a VACUUM. Or explain the WHY in WHY they " don't know what GRAVITY is ITSELF in ANY FUNDAMENTAL WAY" Proceed.

[@roygarcia9806]

But we don't want you to remove yourself from youtube, Norom! You and your moronations are not the threat to science and education that you think you are. As for the answer to your two questions, refer to previous threads. Off the top of my head, Topcode, Danikar and Qybosh have already given you answers to this, as have several others on several other occasions. Check under the previous video on this channel, where you were moronating about the equatorial plane a few months ago, clearly demonstrating that you had no idea what you were moronating about.

[@roygarcia9806]

As for the other five points, they arise only because of your misconceptions, misunderstanding, lack of comprehension, a general lack of intelligence, and the wilfulness of your ignorance.

[@atakerofmickies4300]

Even I told him just the other day that it's a pressure gradient than layers and bands... And that a vacuum is just absence of matter. But his pitifully limited brain can only think of the middle school textbooks' graphics and visualisations of the 'layers' of the atmosphere, and vacuum cleaners!

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@atakerofmickies4300 You 🤡 A VACUUM is not "absence of matter" but because "artificial intelligence rages" you instantly believe as programmed. A true VACUUM requires a PHYSICAL CONTAINER to withdraw or eliminate the air!! Therefore absence of matter is illogical. You to

[@atakerofmickies4300]

​@@ramonortiz7462 Yeah, Norom, we know you don't get it, and everything that's beyond your scope is "artificial intelligence". Lol Where does this air come from, you think? It's an infinite universe, remember? And, yes, we know you can't get your head around that either.

[@ramonortiz7462]

What is logic? Logic is cold,,unfeeling and unemotional,,, being everything you aren't and is why you are having a hard time accepting it whilst I wield pure logic. The world you believe in is wholeheartedly illogical therefore as a part of it you to are unwittingly illogical yet I appear to assist and save you from the mainframe of "models" and "concept"!! Will you press "enter" and allow logic free reign or will you press "escape" and remain controlled by the algorithm? No. Allow myself to freely enlighten you and seperate fact from fiction with real scientific physics vs theoretical physics that has lead many astray. I remain.

[@gruntled3049]

You remain what? You score no more in language than you do in science. Or logic. "Wholeheartedly", "unwittingly", "mainframe", "algorithm", "theoretical physics"... the difference between 'to' and 'too', or 'led' and 'lead'... Yikes, Norom... Have you had ANY education at all?!

[@Lucas_Tulic]

Obviously you have NASA clearance that overrules the Antarctic Treaty, you went past the ice wall and you're now somewhere either in Geminia or in Pitatia.

[@floryda4281]

My guess : Westeros.

[@sendintheclowns7305]

You know nothing Floryda!

[@MichaelOnines]

Winter is coming (in the northern hemisphere)

[@peterleane6807]

The problem is with the telescope itself,.... a telescope mounted on an equatorial mount has no fixed vector datum, that is to say the equatorial mount adjusts to find the stars location from MOVING cartesian coordinates. The trap we all fall into is that the telescope should not move to find the stars. The Heliocentric model works by the Earth, 1. spinning on its axis, 2. revolving around the sun, 3. the sun revolving around the galaxy, yet we observe all these vectors using a Flat Earth model. The equatorial mounted telescope functions as if it was the master frame of reference on a stationary flat plane and adjusts to the movements of the external references as if the Earth was the centre of the universe. I had trouble getting my head around it so I had to invent a new telescope to make sense of the vectors. Possibly the easiest explanation is to go to my channel and watch the video on the PLeane Telescope,... now imagine the datum point at the back of the Telescope fixed to the centre of the Milky Way, now track the movement of the stars, what's really moving?

[@Top-Code]

What are you even trying to say.

[@peterleane6807]

@@Top-Code The short answer is the telescope self adjusts to align to the stars that are moving on at least 3 vector planes and it does this as if it was on a Flat stationary Earth. The telescope must be referenced external to the Earth pointing to the centre of what every is revolving around.

[@Top-Code]

@@peterleane6807 you do know, this telescope only corrects for the earths rotation. It ignores all other motion of the stars, you do get that, right?

[@peterleane6807]

@@Top-Code Yes the telescope only corrects for the earths rotation, or Yes the telescope only corrects for the stars rotation.

[@Top-Code]

@@peterleane6807 "Yes the telescope only corrects for the earths rotation," which means all the "2. revolving around the sun, 3. the sun revolving around the galaxy," is irrelevant, because the mount has nothing to do with that

[@aximusroh6453]

Flatty: well it's not flat, it's oblate 😡

[@mitchellminer9597]

You are indoors, dude.

[@DickHolman]

Just North (1° or 2°) of the Equator.

[@Wolfie6020]

Perfect answer. 1.5 degrees.

[@delboy7264]

@@Wolfie6020 MALAMO AIRPORT ?

[@7zark785]

Singapore. or Kuala Lumpur?

[@lorditsprobingtime6668]

I'm guessing at either pole but, you implied there was only a single location (I think) where it could work.

[@moehoward01]

To be pointing at Polaris, the telescope would be pointing more or less straight up. Same with Sigma Octantis at the South Pole.

[@lorditsprobingtime6668]

@@moehoward01 Yeah but, he said "be able to track ANY star" so, I think I am wrong but I'm about as lost as the flatties would be here. I've listened a few times and just can't get it. Me too thick, me maybe should be fwat erfer too. Yeah, I don't know, I'm lost to how he could track other stars throughout the night if it's kept at horizontal(ish) like that. I'm assuming he can't mean necessarily at that location or with it pointed horizontal, otherwise how could he track "any" star?

[@jonneexplorer]

@@lorditsprobingtime6668 he's at the equator, it is pointing to the horizon.

[@martinconnelly1473]

@@jonneexplorer You can't claim that because perspective 🤣🤣🤣

[@Reactordrone]

@@lorditsprobingtime6668 At the Equator the horizontal axis will rotate as the Earth rotates so anything you point the scope at will stay in frame.

[@EllipticGeometry]

The greatest great circle of all: the equator.

[@TecraTube]

I'm guessing here but somewhere on the equator

[@Wolfie6020]

Good guess. 👍

[@ramonortiz7462]

So. Let me get this "straight",,,, your model teaches things you instantly believe in due to the duration you have believed it yet they all comprise material that cannot be physically--demonstrated and that's ok because you have "logical-fallacy" i.e. an ability to beg the question to attempt to substantiate your model. What do I mean? 1. Gas pressure can only be physically--demonstrated with a physical--container!! Rebuttal? Chanting and pointing at sky = begging the question fallacy- 2. Gas has no FIXED shape or VOLUME yet you believe gas has an ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state in bands or layers when........ No such thing can be physically--demonstrated! Rebuttal? Chanting and pointing at sky= begging the question fallacy- 3. Water in volume always seeks and maintains its level but your model states water in volume has an ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state upon it's surface which cannot be physically--demonstrated. Rebuttal ? Chanting. (zero G) More chanting. 4. Gas has an ability to resist filling a vacuum yet this cannot be physically--demonstrated. Rebuttal ? Chanting and pointing at sky = begging the question fallacy- 5. Vacuums- can be infinite-and expand when no such thing can be physically--demonstrated. A physical--container is required to achieve a vacuum-and once contained they cannot expand! Rebuttal? Chanting & hissing. Pointing to sky= begging the question fallacy- 6. Cannot/refusal to explain the WHY in WHY they " don't know what GRAVITY is ITSELF in ANY FUNDAMENTAL WAY" Rebuttal? = no rebuttal + chanting and hissing.

[@atakerofmickies4300]

Thanks, Norom, for this convenient little compendium of your misconceptions. This moronation is a useful, handy, ready-reckoner for anyone who might want a quick laugh.

[@kishpy]

You haven't got it "straight", Norom. Not even close. And that's no surprise at all. If you were capable of getting anything straight at all you wouldn't be a flurfball.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@atakerofmickies4300 🤡

[@atakerofmickies4300]

@@ramonortiz7462 Yeah, everyone who reads your posts knows you're one, Norom. You don't have to knock yourself out reminding us.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@atakerofmickies4300 Your "model" is DEBUNKED here----->>>>>>>kzbin.infoxPiN0fKJPq8?si=LbCK_kVwYAtdQbIG and here--------->>>>kzbin.infoxPiN0fKJPq8?si=LbCK_kVwYAtdQbIG And here...... kzbin.infoxPiN0fKJPq8?si=LbCK_kVwYAtdQbIG

[@ramonortiz7462]

Are you referencing the Arabin grey Wolf-ee. I ask with great respect with humility that it should be able to demonstrate gas & water in volume having the ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state when it is your programming,,,,I mean belief that both water in volume & gas are maintaining a fixed--curving--state in bands, layers and or upon its surface for almost 25,000 miles in circumference around globular earth! Why are these requests so hard to afford!? Isn't gravity,, itself stronger at sea-level? There you go . We have both gas and water in volume in abundance at sea--level also. You have everything you need so without further ado let's see your cause ( gravity) produce the "effect" of making gas and or water in volume maintain a fixed--curving--state minus a physical,, container!! If your "model" is correct you should be able to easily demonstrate,, it. THANKS. I believe this is the correct method to employ "game, set match"!! Go.

[@manojpri2001]

Didn't you mean "refrencing", Norom? Arabin?! Plumbing new depths, aren't you?

[@roygarcia9806]

Arabin gray wolfee. Wow.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

Another thread where you put up strawmans to deflect away from the fact you are unable to address what Wolfie shared in this video and the geometry which confirms the globe.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@Requiem4aDr3Am If it were confirmed a giant spinning ball you would have posted 30 times nor claiming "strawman" blather that you are so fond of. If earth were a giant spinning spherical water world space ball then your scientific guru's would know exactly what GRAVITY is ITSELF in every FUNDAMENTAL WAY having DIRECTLY DETECTED, IDENTIFIED, ISOLATED and HARNESSED GRAVITY ITSELF! You would be able to DEMONSTRATE water in VOLUME having a distinct ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state upon it's surface!! You'd be able to show gas also having an ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state in bands or layers without containment! You wouldn't need to fixate on NASA and AUGMENTED VIRTUAL reality to fake space and you wouldn't need to employ theoretical physics daily and thrice on Sunday!! If earth were a giant spinning ball,,,,YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT THE FLAT EARTH PHENOMENON !! AND LOSE.

[@ramonortiz7462]

So let's see. Have I silenced all detractors!? What is an equatorial---plane and why must,,, I mean why is it employed? Anyone.....?.....!!

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

you seem to have bravely fled from all of us. Why are you avoiding what Wolfie asked of flerfs in his video? I guess that means you can't address it and have conceded. Thanks for confirming the earth is a globe.

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@Requiem4aDr3Am Nope. His "questin" is the very same as asking "what is the radius " of global erf!! Kinda like asking someone to use bait for trout that only catfish will eat! Oops.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@ramonortiz7462 so again you couldn't answer wolfie's question and show that you don't get the geometry involved. Thank you for confirming the globe once more while showing the earth cannot be flat.

[@kiwibob8967]

@ramonortiz7462 I hate to repeat myself, but you do insist on asking the same question multiple times, so here goes. DEFINITION Equatorial plane: noun, Astronomy. The plane passing through the equator of the earth or another celestial body. USAGE The Equatorial Coordinate System is generally the preferred way astronomers use to keep track of the positions of objects in the sky. Astronomers imagine that the Earth is surrounded by a large sphere called the celestial sphere. The Earth's equator and the plane of the Earth's orbit are projected onto this sphere. Celestial Coordinates The Equatorial Coordinate System uses two measurements, right ascension and declination. Right ascension (abbreviated RA) is similar to longitude and is measured in hours, minutes and seconds eastward along the celestial equator. The distance around the celestial equator is equal to 24 hours. Declination is similar to latitude and is measured in degrees, arcminutes and arcseconds, north or south of the celestial equator. Positive values for declination correspond to positions north of the equator, while negative values refer to positions south of the equator. The declination of the north celestial pole is 90° 0' 0" and the south celestial pole's declination is -90° 0' 0". The equator is 0° 0' 0". The position of an object is stated with the right ascension first, then the declination. For example, the bright star Sirius' position is RA: 6h45m8.9s Dec: -16°42'52.1". In answer to your question "Have I silenced all detractors!?" The answer is NO! All you have done is prove that you are unwilling to learn, and accept things that don't agree with your views.

[@baskerwilliam4492]

Whatever happened to Flat Out Hero? Does anybody know? I made out a simple International Flight Plan showing a flight via a triangle with three internal angles of 90 degrees and invited him along for the ride with the caveat that the back seat still has an active ejection seat. I never did hear from him.

[@bizarronorom9696]

What would you have done if he had accepted that invitation?

[@baskerwilliam4492]

Taken the fool for a ride.

[@bizarronorom9696]

@@baskerwilliam4492 Literally or figuratively? If literally, a ride on what?

[@bizarronorom9696]

​@@baskerwilliam4492 See that's where you're wittissicciissm falls fat. When pipple like Woo----lf:::ie or Geer74 sey cool thinks like that it makes cense bcos they are pirots and pilates. It dozent werk if nonpirots like you and my frend Danicker who is a fellosuffer say thinks like that.

[@roygarcia9806]

Fellosuffer? 🤔

[@ramonortiz7462]

You have a personal and independent right to fight the flat earth yet millions have turned into billions of flat earth subscribers!! I know Wolf-ee's video's make you feel alittle better for alittle while but then you remember reality!!

[@muzikgod]

All you have are your demented delusional thoughts, absolutely hilarious!

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

Thank you for confirming that you are officially off your rocker. Show me a single citation that shows there are billions of flat earth subscribers. Go.

[@slysparkane808]

gotta be that special spot near the Pyramids. :)

[@ramonortiz7462]

Wolfie. It isn't my fault that your boy Volkanovski will probably get beat again by Mackhachev!! Are there any real fighters in Australia??

[@ramonortiz7462]

Besides Whittaker??

[@ramonortiz7462]

Isn't this lovely? The sound of Cricket's and a few Cicadas in the tall grass... Did you ever think that a Flat Earther could,,, let alone would mandate such serenity and silence which allows the soft melody of insects seeking a mate (Cicada) to be heard?! Is gravity--itself PHYSICAL?! If "mass attracts mass" said mass must employ the transaction of "influence" between that matter to be influenced or to share attractive power! We know the only way to govern,, matter is to produce, generate or exert force, power or energy by the direct interaction,, of physical,, matter i.e. the extension thereof.... I exert force by the physicality of my hand to pick up a 1 oz double eagle!! How does gravity,, per the matter, of the earth convey i.e. achieve physical,, contact with matter on the earth to attract,, pull or curve,, it down?! Example: an apple hanging on tree per branch attached to stem,,,, how does the alleged force, power, energy or influence of gravity--itself procure physical,, contact upon or within the apple to pull/curve it down?? You to can,,, perhaps become a borderline genius like your writer when you acknowledge, accept and administrate the brute logic I employ in selfless manner!! UNBEKNOWNST to you,, you are my dearest friends and I will be there for you to guide all in truth,, justice and the way of logic!! Do not flee.....

[@roygarcia9806]

Ah, here you are! I was wondering where you'd run away to, faced with all of these questions people have for you re. your older moronations on the other threads you've started here.

[@atakerofmickies4300]

What a load of gibberish! ROFLMAO It's bad enough if you put all this plainly, Norom. Your attempted literary stylings only add another layer of absurdity and farce to your moronations. The triple comma, "Cricket's", "...a mate (Cicada)"... That last one absolutely knocked me out! "... your writer"?!?!?! As a piece of cringe comedy, this is brilliant, almost. And it's even funnier because we can see just what sort of effect it was that you were going for!

[@atakerofmickies4300]

Wouldn't dream of fleeing, Norom. You are my favourite flerf these days! The others mostly only moronate about the subject, and air their wild conspiracy theories. You, in addition to all that, have your delusions of grandeur and an abject lack of self-awareness about your severe shortcomings, coupled with a penchant for the most artless sort of lying, all of which makes you the most entertaining flerf at the moment!

[@ramonortiz7462]

@@atakerofmickies4300 Lying? Can water in volume be physically shown to maintain a fixed--curving--state upon it's surface? No....... Can gas be physically shown to have any ability to maintain a fixed--curving--state in bands or layers? No..................... Can anyone tell me what gravity,, is ITSELF in any,, fundamental way?? No.............................. Can anyone physically replicate gas pressure without a physical CONTAINER? No!! What can be shown per your very own scientific guru's is that you cannot see the curvature of the earth in 63 miles of distance in altitude or out ACROSS same distance!! There isn't a single one of you that will ever dare to make any attempt at explaining the WHY in WHY they " don't know what GRAVITY is ITSELF in ANY FUNDAMENTAL WAY" because it exposes you abject dilemma!! If certain above stated mechanisms of your "model" were physically occurring you'd be able to also physically DEMONSTRATE IT!! You cannot nor will you ever be successful i.e. your failure is my success in converting great numbers into flat earth scholars!! You know I've won and stand VICTORIOUS!!

[@atakerofmickies4300]

​​@@ramonortiz7462 Victorious? How so? Flat earth cannot explain a single phenomenon, has no internal consistency, no map, no model... and absolutely nothing that even flat earthers can agree on. Nor has a single flat earther contributed meaningfully to furthering human knowledge, based on the principles of flat earth. All this gish-galloping does nothing to hide your own ignorance, Norom. Water "in volume" can indeed "be shown to maintain a fixed curbing state". You were shown precisely that, and you can see it any time you want, really. The fact that you expect to see gas bands or layers and that too even after you were told SEVERAL times about the pressure gradient, only shows your idiocy and wilful ignorance. It has also been explained to you what exactly it is that Verlinde meant, when he uttered those lines that you quote out of context and will keep quoting it out of context. You can claim victory all you want, Norom. But, until you can provide a consistent, working model (doesn't even have to be a diorama), a map, or explanations that work for every phenomenon that we observe all at once, your claims will only remain yet another one of your several moronations. And, learn to spell! You're about 70 years old, and you can't turn out a single sentence without mistakes!

[@krisdevalle]

Quito, Ecuador!

[@vladmarinescu9142]

At the equator. That’s impossible on a flat earth.

[@Dr_Wrong]

Is this a trick question? Well, I'll try.. 1. Hollywood? 2. _There is no place on Earth:_ A telescope cannot track any stars, all night, from inside your bedroom. 3. _There is no place on Earth:_ North is literally *_on Earth._* This telescope is not on Earth. This telescope is on a mount, on a tripod, on an artificial floor, on an artificial foundation. _(see 4)_ 4. _There is no place on Earth:_ This telescope appears to incline upward. Any telescope not on or below ground _(literally; on earth),_ must point downwards to be "facing north," because "North" is a single point on the surface of the Earth. If you were directly above either the north or south pole, "facing north" would be straight down. Earth isn't transparent, so you couldn't track any stars. 5. _There is no place on Earth:_ If the telescope here is "facing north," then "with this angle of orientation," it cannot track any stars south of it. 6. _There is no place on Earth:_ In "this angle of orientation" the telescope cannot track any stars outside _(e.g. behind)_ of it's lens's current field of view. Which is what, a few degrees? ..so any star it's not pointed at, at nightfall, using _only_ steady rotation, could not "track all night." 7. _There is no place on Earth:_ Stars are in space, there are no stars in the sky. Because there's no dome. 8. _There is no place on Earth:_ The lens cap is on. 9. _There is no place on Earth:_ It cannot track stars more than 28.5 Gpc distant. 10. _There is no place on Earth:_ The sun isn't visible at night, it's "a star in the sky." 11. _There is no place on Earth:_ Nearly all "stars in the sky" either rise or set when it's not night. 12. _There is no place on Earth:_ Some visible stars no longer exist, so can't be tracked. 13. _There is no place on Earth:_ Light takes time. None of the stars we look at are in that spot by the time we see 'em.

[@awatt]

The telescope is in a container Globe confirmed 💯🌎