A Guide To Guns In Virtual Reality

[@virtualinsider]

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[@Usaman50]

Ever heard of a slide release? Very useful.

[@changeling5984]

I dont want to be the guy that does this wEelLL YuuO gWWoTt tis Wong! But the H3VR bit is a bit outdated with some things missing.

[@laurensholthof]

Fun fact, in pavlov there are also things to interact with on the gun, for example on the MP5 you can rock back and forth the buttstock and you can fold up the ump There's also some details like the end of the barrel of an m249 turning red hot when you spray the entire mag

[@stanleybochenek1862]

no u

[@pygzig]

H3VR's pistols have less muzzle jump when held with two hands, it's kind of hard to notice with most but you can tell when using the Desert Eagle or a magnum revolver.

[@lukabrasi001]

except you can't hold them in two hands. the way you can stabilize them more is by holding a mag in your other hand. Anton (the Dev of the game) just think you're gonna have your hand near the gun anyways, so the game just assumes by holding a mag, you're using the same hand to support your gun in the other hand.

[@KevLKev]

anton recently added a new feature that allows aim smoothing with pistols, just simply bring your other hand closer and the aim will stabilize and the recoil will lower

[@sorlana]

so do pavlov and sport mode

[@funnydude447]

@@lukabrasi001 You don’t necessarily need a mag in your off-hand. The system works when your hands are close together, which in my opinion, feels a lot quicker and more natural. As a someone whose had 4 different headsets, this system works really well for WMD and Quest controllers since you can rest your off-hand further up your forearm to avoid clunking the tracking rings together on the controller. Games that force you to place your hands together realistically for two handing pistols and be really clunky with these headsets.

[@funnydude447]

@@KevLKev Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure this has been in the game for a while. I think he only recently tweaked it a little bit.

[@1810jeff]

I personally prefer extremely realistic reloading mechanics like hotdogs horseshoes and hand grenades.

[@viktorianas]

It depends... as explained in the video, there are VR limitations regarding lack of precision (some headsets worse than others), also H3 is a rather slow paced so it is ok for this game... With respect to your opinion, I strongly believe that the standard should be something like Contractors, still very realistic and satisfying, but also works well in a fast paced scenario, yet HL Alyx is way too arcade / simplistic, made purely to satisfy mainstream casuals. Also I play TWD Saint & Sinners now and gunplay mechanics are pretty much perfect, Alyx was very underwhelming in this department...

[@nathandrake8130]

Love h3vr but I want hands and bodies

[@acedirt2346]

Agreed. You can't beat HK slapping an mp5, pressing the slide release on a ar-15 style rifle, 1 hand pumping a shotgun, spincocking a leveraction, fanning a revolver, etc

[@1810jeff]

@@acedirt2346 I think all of those are present in h3vr except for the one hand pumping a shotgun. But strangely enough you can pull the slides of handguns on level geometry so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until it is added.

[@acedirt2346]

@@1810jeff They are present, that's why I mentioned them. on the 1-hand pump; it can be activated by holding down the trigger button of your pumping hand.

[@KammaKhazi]

H3VR’s recoil depends on the rounds caliber and barrel length etc. Pistols do have recoil, even though you don’t see your hands you can hold your second hand as you would in another game to damp the recoil.

[@id-null]

not only this but the time to kill is actually way lower than he mentioned- as the enemies he was showcasing are the old bot-type enemies, and not the more human-like take and hold enemies, which take damage way more realistically and can bleed out

[@mr.mcplaysalot2307]

Recoil-wise there are many ways to dampen recoil. - Smaller guns - Smaller calibers - Two hand hold - Holding the fore - Holding both hands close (pistols) - Shouldering - Grips - Shrouds - Barrel attachments - Bipods - etc.

[@bruhtholemew]

@@mr.mcplaysalot2307 Grips, barrel attachments, and shrouds effect recoil? I thought they were just cosmetic due to limitations. In fact I swear Anton has said they're mainly just for fun, like how long barrels don't actually affect range or accuracy.

[@HappyMan0203]

@@bruhtholemew Nope, they do have an effect. Compensators and suppressors will affect the recoil of weapons, and extended barrels do increase the overall velocity and accuracy of a weapon.

[@JustABeeInFPV]

@@HappyMan0203 from some testing I swear that putting a suppressor on a deagle caused more recoil

[@Mitsurugi2424]

I think the reasons you didn't like recoil in Pavlov, and Boneworks are the same reasons I like it. It's much closer to irl. I know you haven't fired real weapons, but automatic fire is often unwieldy. The gun will jump around vertically as well has horizontally. That's just part of it. If anything, I think all these games are much too forgiving with handguns. The reloading and handing you are praising Alyx for is in Boneworks and done just as well, if not better. Also, teacupping a pistol is terrible for accuracy and followup shots. I will agree with you completely on the issues with mag changes in Boneworks. I found that bringing the mag near the grip rather than the bottom worked best. That or just opening the quick menu and selecting eject. Just a button then flick up. I can see where you're coming from wanting things to be more simple and streamlined for newer players. The problem is when they get used to that, they don't know what to do when the gunplay requires any skill.... Also, there is the fact that most people coming to vr are looking for something more simulated and closer to reality.

[@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68]

He's English, he's never even seen a gun. Probably can't tell the difference between a bolt face and a gas piston.

[@Sgt_Long_Dong]

@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 to be fair I don’t think most Americans could either lol

[@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68]

@@Sgt_Long_Dong it would depend on where you're polling, if it was New York (or other places run by democrats) they wouldn't know but I think in more rural areas you'd have larger percentages of people that understand firearms.

[@greatsaiyaguy8868]

@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 you're so weird

[@LavaSaver]

@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 Lol do you think democrats don't have firearms?

[@jamesfenimore174]

In H3VR when you are using a pistol you can bring your offhand next to your main hand to mitigate recoil.

[@satoruriolu6132]

Exactly, adding to your comment, the controller just needs to be close in order for it to make the recoil better. Plus, you can two hand every weapon in the main grip, smgs benefit a lot from it, two handed like rifles not as much

[@neotim5]

Yes and unlike he said, if you shoot fast enough there is recoil, the .50 DEagle makes it obvious

[@RavenTaleLive]

I personally believe Boneworks to be the best out of all the mentioned games, I love the hands/physics interactions and it's true they might be weird at first but once you get used to them they are very satisfying, also the "weird" mag slide position is for whacking enemies with the gun. one more thing worth mentioning is that you dont "whack" the MK18 mag but when you get the mag close the character releases the old magazine so you can put the new one in.

[@orgvi3718]

They also said there's no single fire when there is

[@HonorableAssassins]

of all games mentioned i definitely think boneworks comes in last for guns. really awesome game, it is to VR what halflife was for pc gaming, but halflife funnily enough also had whats now considered to be pretty subpar shooting. bonelab has improved it a good bit though from what ive seen, though i havent played it yet. That said, boneworks was one of the first games to try to be an actual *game* with a full campaign and such for vr, rather than just a sandbox like H3 focusing only on guns, or a pvp shooter also focusing only on guns, so it makes total sense that this wasnt one of the best features. Boneworks just... felt like Ford, the character, was simply unfamiliar with guns - it felt like it was made to be awkward. which makes sense since hes like a hacker it guy, not an action hero, so i just took it as a bit of roleplay and rolled on along.

[@MlgR221]

@@HonorableAssassins population 1 is last tbh

[@HonorableAssassins]

@@MlgR221 pop1 doesnt even count

[@daphix]

i cannot wait to see what gun improvements Project 4 will have over Boneworks

[@shmokeythefatcat]

on oculus edition theres an eject button for pistol mags

[@0sac]

Had no idea SLZ were so close to announcing a new game, thanks for that info lol. Seems like they are currently working on a teaser that will be published soon.

[@snakekingblues3017]

hope they take there time so it come out amazing!

[@Skikopl]

Same

[@sqlevolicious]

Project 4 will be a very bastardly version of their basic physics sandbox, don't expect anything good. XR2 is cool, but it's not even remotely powerful enough for large physics apps.

[@letter8277]

In boneworks, you can press B (oculus) if you're holding the gun in your right hand to just eject the mag, and Y for the left hand.

[@sundoiz3387]

The hotdog shown in this video is an old one from an older take and hold version. The newer one from the new take and hold mode have less health and look more like hotdog.

[@LeeAndersonMusic]

Either he somehow picked the very outdated gamemode or this video took a couple of years to make

[@ScrapRat_protogen]

@@LeeAndersonMusic just a legacy gamemode. They are still in the game

[@trish_vr]

2:12 every single gun in H3VR has recoil, but the strength of it depends on many things. The bullet calibre, barrel length, whether or not you're using a stock, whether or not you're using a bipod, and whether or not you're two-handing the gun. All firearms can be two-handed by either holding a secondary grip point on the gun with your offhand, or by holding your offhand close to your firing hand. The reason why it might feel like H3VR has no recoil is because it is all realistically simulated every time you fire the gun, whereas games like Onward and Pavlov will exaggerate the recoil to make it more balanced for multiplayer.

[@steven.2602]

Also I think the test is fairly inaccurate since he only tested the guns at close range. it makes sense that he would come to the conclusion that most of these games have "no recoil" when you're are within a few feet/meters of your target. at that point, recoil doesn't really matter that much, if at all-- Even in real life, mind you. I've played a lot of these games and I think the only one that Im confident has "no recoil" is HL:A. games like Onward, Contractors, zero caliber and H3VR all have discernible recoil when you're engaging an enemy at longer ranges, forcing you to slow your shots.

[@steven.2602]

And one last thing worth mentioning: I think it feels like H3VR has less "recoil" than other games is because calling it "recoil" is a bit misleading since it refers to the amount of force going back into your body. I think the term that should be used should be "Kick" or "flip," which both refer to how far the gun's muzzle rises when you shoot it. Since H3VR simulates the fact that guns IRL will almost always have more "recoil" than "kick," it's gonna feel ingame like H3 will have less recoil when players only really notice 30-50% of the equation. If the game could accurately simulate the recoil of an M855a1 moving at roughly three times the speed of sound, then I guarantee you recoil in the game would be much more noticeable than it is currently.

[@HellSpawnRulerOfHell]

You can eject magazines in Boneworks using the quick menu. There's just no dedicated button for it.

[@chunt3862]

There is a mod for it

[@user-pn3mw7rx1s]

you can also eject them by flicking the gun the right way while holding a new mag in ur other hand, its kinda hard to do but once u get used to it it works really well

[@schizoguy911]

im on the rift s you just press y to eject the mag

[@KuraMad2000]

I've found H3 to be the best so far. Takes a bit of getting used to to not smack your controllers together while inserting a new magazine, but it's been the most realistic experience so far. Other than the guns, the rest of the game isn't a lot to write home about, but I guess that's to be expected when so much attention to detail is focused on the guns.

[@BluVR]

One of the best videos you have ever made ^^

[@virtualinsider]

I'm glad you like it

[@Skikopl]

Yeah I really liked it too

[@screamingpancake6376]

Whad up blu

[@Charlbwoods]

Always love your content, great work, please keep it up

[@virtualinsider]

Thanks, will do!

[@Cerealwoken]

into the radius also has a very realistic gun system with each bullet loaded into each mag manually, hard to explain but its a very good system.

[@sipsopgamera7624]

I'm gonna have to se this video at least 5 times, those are my favorite type of videos. Please keep it up!

[@virtualinsider]

Thanks! Will do!

[@tampyrer2444]

12:20 you can eject a mag in boneworks by holding the menu button, moving your "cursor" over "eject" (just point your hand up) and releasing it afterwards. also I tap the grip with the mag instead of pushing it in as if there was no old mag in which always works. Amazing video though!

[@RacerXJG]

This was a great video. Would love to see more videos like this.

[@sushipop7658]

fun fact, boneworks actually DOESNT hide holstered items, they are just kept behind the player I think. Sometimes you can catch small glimpses

[@Xzarations]

I’m excited to watch this. I am currently developing a horror game rn and have been considering giving the player a gun for certain segments so if so then this will probably help

[@Trace6x]

See walking dead s&s and duck hunt, I reckon they got VR guns near perfect

[@Xzarations]

@@Trace6x Yeah walking dead S&S was amazing and duck season was pretty good but personally Boneworks pistols have always been the best imo. The rifles and guns with sights were pretty unbearable but I think they do handguns the best

[@corbinius.]

@@Xzarations h3vr is a big improvement over boneworks imo (i've played both)

[@tuxedo1557]

yeah i wish they could’ve found a way for different fire modes in boneworks i bet if you used your offhand it might work

[@czechoslovakia7105]

2:19 That gun indeed does appear to have some recoil. Also you can in H3, by simply placing one hand near the other, the game does some black magic, and steadies your aim a bit, same thing with rifles, if you place both near the pistol grip, though with rifles, that only activates the virtual stock, which is still a great improvement.

[@JDSPonYT]

Really one of your best videos, a good look into VR Gun Game design with points brought up and actual examples so we can follow exactly what youre talking about By far and away fav. VR gaming channel :)

[@ReverendTed]

One nice feature H3VR has added since this video came out (I think) is the ability to stabilize two-handed weapons for long-distance precision. By holding the trigger of the forward hand, the movements are dampened, which all but eliminates the "jittery" motion that's so easy to get when using a scoped weapon for engagement at long distances.

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

Fun fact about H3VR the dev has done several trips to find out how the recoil feels for different guns. Also the lethality of the guns in H3VR is somewhat realistic. You can kill most enemys with 1 shot to the head if they are unarmoured however that takes into account that the enemy can bleed to death. If you want a reliable 1 shot kill on an unarmoured enemy 12 gauge tends to gib one the links resulting in an instant kill.

[@AlexandreFerreira-py1cm]

Gun Club vr is also a great game to have fun with real weapons

[@DracoyseZero]

Excellent video, clearing all those little doubts about the mainstream shooting games. I love the work!

[@danglesmcbutternut4088]

Experience with guns definitely has a huge effect on how you view this. I love more realistic reloads because I'm familiar with firearms, but it's not a necessity. I find Boneworks to be a nice mixture of gamey and realistic reloads. My favorite feature is when a game implements something like the HK slap, being able to slap the charging handle on a gun like the MP5 like you can in real life.

[@JackFoxtrotEDM]

H3 uses two-handed recoil on pistols, you just hold your hand up to the grip. You can pistol-hand two-handed weapons too (putting off-hand next to firing hand). The stock also makes a difference, as well as muzzle brakes.

[@PetrusEksteen]

I loved the video! Do you plan on making one for Melee? I think it would be pretty epic comparing stuff like Gorn, Blade and Sorcery, Boneworks and Hellsplit. Just a few things I noticed while watching: You can two-hand pistols in H3VR, you just don't need to grab onto them - the recoil will be reduced if your offhand is close enough to the weapon. Some pistols with faster firerate will have more noticeable recoil, especially burst or full-auto pistols. Also regarding your comment at 5:00, the damage in H3VR is mostly calculated by caliber and armor. Some hot dogs have a ton of armor especially on their body - using a 1911 you will pretty much always get a one-shot kill to the head on exposed sosig, even 9mm guns can get one-shots to the head. Most battle-rifles will instantly explode a sosig segment when shot considering the large caliber. You seem to be showing gameplay of the ancient Legacy Take and Hold mode which has been long deprecated, I highly recommend checking out the current one. To be honest, I'd prefer if we had humanoid enemies in H3VR instead of sosigs as they tend to literally flop around and move pretty unrealistically, which makes it really annoying with their nearly hitscan weapons and godlike accuracy (especially so when there's one of you and 8 of them). H3VR also allows you to touch/press the bolt release on weapons such as the M4 or SCAR-H. I also saw you struggling to try and toggle the fire selector on that SCAR-H in H3VR, you should do the tutorial map as it tells you how to do this (with the thumbstick, for some reason only some weapons allow you to change fire mode with the offhand controller). You can eject magazines in Boneworks in one of three ways, one of which really obscure and "secret"; 1) Holding a magazine close to the weapon - the original mag will fall out (as you showed) 2) Opening the inventory and selecting "eject mag" 3) Holding a new magazine in your offhand and 'flicking' the weapon like John Wick will eject the mag (this method is hard to discover out unless you're told it's in the game) Whacking the mag out the M4 isn't possible in real life, but if you press the mag release (with your grip hand) the mag will fall out or become looser in which case it can be knocked out - not sure if this is animated in-game but I doubt it. Personally I find Half Life Alyx extremely boring and the fact there are only three generic weapons only adds to this. The game *looks* extremely good and nice, but I find it a chore to play. I think the reload animations are nice but maybe a tad overdone. I also personally dislike the 'ammo over the shoulder' thing in Half Life Alyx, I'm just more used to grabbing mags from my sides or on my chest but of course this is a very minor thing - I think it's pretty great for accessibility considering most people play bow&arrow games when they first get into VR.

[@virtualinsider]

Thanks for the tips. I am planning on making a video going into more detail about melee VR and comparing how different games handle it.

[@PetrusEksteen]

@@virtualinsider Awesome, looking forward to it :D

[@stephenscott3769]

Just found your channel man and I have to say great work! It's really refreshing to hear someone who has such in depth experience and appreciation for VR. Vertigo remastered's transforming gun was so amazing to experience and I am so happy that it was included in he comparison as it often flies under the radar. Keep up the great work :)

[@IIStaffyII]

As a indie game developer that is making a game [Dynamic Arms VR] that uses dynamic weapons I'm glad you said you wished more developers made dynamic weapons. 😁 I got some good ideas for recoil watching this video! Top notch quality!

[@assassindragon4259]

Would just like to say that the vignette that onward has isn’t for damage it’s to make you fear suppressive fire.

[@nikolashumphrey-howell2478]

as someone who has played H3vr extensively there's a substantial controlability upgrade when "two-handing" firearms. pistols show a substantial lack of recoil in bigger calibers when the controllers are brought together like holding a pistol, where when one-handed and firing quickly some bigger calibers tend to climb upwards or become less accurate.

[@JumbleDrops1029]

I love looking at little deatails with guns in different games, just to see how much they looked at

[@ocindayo]

You missed some stuff in boneworks. You CAN eject a magazine. It just feels weird. you can hit the left side of a rifle near the magazine with another magazine to eject it. Same with pistols. You can also hold your menu button and it adds an option that literally says eject if you’re holding a gun.

[@Furko08]

2:10 actually when you hold your second controller close to the pistol, it does "two-hand" the pistol and lower recoil. it's very easy to notice with full-auto pistols, like the Glock 18

[@viktorianas]

TWD Saints & Sinners, not mentioned here, but it is a pure fun coupled with realism, you are surrounded by zombies and try to load your revolver one bullet at a time, you drop the weapon - it falls down on the ground, you forget about it, you lose it, small realistic details that add some charm instead of guns magically holstering to you automatically.

[@HipBlackPoodle]

It’s good to represent a sick fatigued person handling a gun but it doesn’t have realistic weight or handling.

[@techshtuff8289]

You can put your other hand near the pistol in H3VR to reduce recoil.

[@virtualinsider]

good to know although there wasnt any recoil with the pistol I was using anyway

[@fcontini]

Population One's reloading system was the one thing that kept me from it. I love shooting, but there is a certain pleasure in a nice weapon reloading process that I just can't explain. And I was blown away by that transforming shotgun into sniper, WOW! I need to give that game a try! By the way, I didn't know this bothered me so much until you said it: I hate to not be able to use my second hand to do stuff that I should be able to. I hate to have to drop something to pick up an item or just pull a pin x_x Great video!

[@SquimboRapper]

Boneworks' recoil is accurate because your rifle will bounce and push backwards as well as left & right slight amounts in real life. That's why your sight bounces around.

[@miss-sagemoon]

might be because I'm tired af, but watching you edge the gun when showing off the pavlov reload is the funniest thing to me

[@JTMConceptions]

Surprised I haven’t seen Into The Radius mentioned in any of your videos yet. Pretty fun gunplay and vr interactivity in that game. Probably one of the most content complete vr games I’ve played.

[@ashb899]

I would like more videos like this where you explore the different design elements of different VR games.

[@justcallmexen]

This was nice to see to get some comparison between games, so I know what I might want to get. I was a bit surprised that aiming systems were not mentioned. I really liked the reflex sights in Alyx that I would still be using them even when I got lasers for them. The conical laser array and arcing hologram on the shotgun were also especially nice.

[@SleezyBeChillin]

Nice video man, enjoyed the content. I agree with most of what you said. Pavlov is my favorite for reloading that ive found so far

[@clankcode1437]

12:16 You can actually eject mags in Boneworks, you have to hold down the face button to bring up the interaction menu, point up to where it says "eject" and the mag will eject. It's a bit clunky at first but with enough practice if feels nice to do

[@lukalaa1764]

To fix few things you got rather wrong with H3VR parts. For example it has coded in similiar two hand grip for handguns like Alyx, even if you don't have hands. Secondly the enemies you mentioned are from old enviorements, new enviorements have enemies that can die from one headshot with almosy any weapon (aside from some low calibre pistols) and thus precision is rewarded. Altought the enemy AI is not stupid. They will spot you rather quickly and aggressively push you, so quick kills is required

[@Komaticom]

On PSVR we don't have a lot of games with realistic weapons handling. I find Gunclub VR does a good job, allowing various real world efficiencies for reloading like hitting the bolt release button, keeping a round in the chamber when reloading pistols to avoid having to rack the slide, loading a shell into the chamber before loading via the lower port (dont know the proper name for it) for shotguns. Fun stuff.

[@sumobear5010]

About H3VR. *ALL* guns have different types of bullets and, if I remember correctly, different variations of ammo (AP, +P, FMJ, etc.) All guns preform differently, and all guns deal different amounts of damage depending on the bullet in the chamber. Obviously a .22lr isn't going to be the same as a .45ACP or .50 AE. Same with .22 vs. 5.56x45 and 7.62x39. Each gun will also have different recoil depending on the bullet, as well as the attachments on it. (I'm not quite sure what attachments you can put on it, but you should be able to put on recoil compensators and grips on weapons.) There's my 10 cents (if I used the saying properly), and I'm headed out.

[@danieltreshner4955]

There's a third way to rack the pistol's slide in Half Life: Alyx, in which you press a button on your controller to hit the slide's quick release (don't recall the proper term, but it's a lever on the right side of the gun that, well, releases the slide when it's cocked back)

[@testname4464]

H3VR's damage and recoil mechanics vary wildly depending on what you're shooting. A .22 pistol will deal little damage to a sosig, versus a .50 anti-materiel rifle, which will eviscerate any sosig, same with recoil. Again a .22 will have very light recoil, basically none, while a .50 will cause the entire front of the gun to jerk upwards

[@notgiven3801]

Games with more realistic guns you can press a button and the slide will fall back if you just emptied a magazine but you will have to pull the slide if it is the first magazine like many real slides, this is both faster and more immersive for anyone that has used them.

[@fieldpigeongaming239]

In Pavlov you actually can 2 hand a pistol you just have to grab the pistol with both hands, it isn’t a proximity system like half life.

[@xdnt4877]

I think that a weapon system like Homefront The Revolution would be very cool in VR, for example, you can turn the base pistol into an SMG and something like a charge pistol (you hold down the fire button and release it to shoot), then the M4 can be turned into an LMG and a Minelauncher like the one from RE4 and things like that

[@anthonygrande5293]

Some of the points about H3VR could've been talked about differently. TL:DR H3VR is a very realistic gun simulator with the main focus of the game being true to life controls and physics. Some of the points almost forget this when brought up. And also I'm an H3VR fanboy so it got me a bit worked up, sorry about that. For example, since H3VR is a gun simulator, it uses realistic ballistics and weapon controls so time to kill depends on what ammo or weapon you're using (It also has newer 'sosig' enemies which are more accurate to actual human beings rather than the older robot hotdog models.) Pistols can be handled with two hands by bringing your off hand closer without having to physically press a button or having your in-game hand taken away from you - this is a very good design decision for VR in my opinion. Switching fire modes in H3VR is done via the controller as trying to press a fire selector switch in game would cause your controllers to collide. This isn't true for some weapons so you will have to press them with your off hand (For example the KRISS Vector.) Dropping magazines (And all magazine handling in general) is done in a realistic fashion - AKs are able to drop a mag by hitting it's mag release with another object, where other guns require you to press the button on your controller or grab the magazine. The same goes for grenades, as in real life you have to pull a pin before you can throw a grenade. With the holstering, H3VR gives you multiple types of holsters you can choose between in the settings. They simulate various types of rigs and belts which would probably obscure your vision in real life as well, albeit at a lesser degree as in VR since (I would assume) the vest has to be further away for ease of use. I think contractors has the most realistic vest design as you can see the actual vest on your character with the holster points being on it. The video however was very well done. Definitely deserve a lot more subscribers than you currently have, keep up the amazing work!

[@Ethan-md1jx]

In contractors, you can put on a light vest and have a smg/sniper slot over your shoulder

[@spreademu1218]

Just an fyi, recoil isn’t how much spread there is. It’s how much the gun comes back and up into your shoulder or palm. Pavlov’s recoil is by far the most realistic. Full auto really has a lot of muzzle rise and also puts a lot into your shoulder. This is a pretty good video though.

[@SkeleTonHammer]

Someone may have said this already, but the point of putting two hands on your pistol in Alyx isn't for recoil, it's to slow the "jitteriness" of holding the gun. Motion smoothing is applied to your aim when holding the pistol with two hands. Not super useful for most cases IMO, but that's what it does. Also, you can eject a magazine in Boneworks, but it's janky. You need to go into your context menu, there's an eject magazine option, but it takes a few seconds to do that way so it's kind of useless.

[@higbort]

h3vr has an unseen back holster and customizable holsters in general. also, your single-handed weapons lose recoil when a second hand is in proximity to the grip.

[@shirosharkdeer]

I saw a thumbs down on boneworks and immediately felt the need to throw hands lmao

[@sooryboutdat]

The thing that works best to me is treating guns like laser pointers and shotguns as flashlights and having that instinct of where it's gonna land.

[@wilbysot343]

fun fact: putting your hand near your pistol in h3vr as if you were two-handing it actually does mitigate recoil somewhat

[@notyourdad2089]

I agree with with taking advantage of VRs limitations by creating interesting and creative guns that are designed around VR controls. I would love if there was multi-player that did this, that would be sick

[@S1MONSAYSVR]

Great video! One very important thing that Contractors do, that not any other VR game(I think..) do is keeping your hand on the mag you inserted until you let go(two handed weapons). Then the hand stays there JUST like in real life. I don't know why other devs don't do that. HL: Alyx also does that to a certain extent with the pistol, you hold the mag in such a way that when you finish the reload your hand is already placed on the gun like you're two handing it. Kind of like IRL. Feels great. I think you missed Lies Beneath here it has an interesting reload mechanic without really having any mags. Gun Club VR is also a good example of Physics based gun simulator but with hands 😊 But as you said, as long as the game have some type of interactivity with the weapon traditional or untraditional in the reload department, it's doing something right.

[@VoicePlayz]

In H3VR, the damage is all about what kind of gun and what ammo its firing, very realistic.

[@Nepu_Nep]

I like Pavlov for the simple fact of the virtual stock option. It's an absolute game changer

[@TriggerHappyRC1]

Was really hoping you would mention Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners. It has dual weilding, revolvers with their specific reload mechanics and weapon jamming.

[@yienmaster04]

Not to mention the best on-body holsters and inventory. I wonder if he hasn't played it. I can't imagine why he wouldn't discuss it in this video otherwise.

[@TriggerHappyRC1]

@@yienmaster04 I got that impression as well. Great on body inventory and the guns have collisions. Some can even be used for melee attacks.

[@GreyMatterShades]

I liked this video a lot, as well as your one on melee combat, and the more recent one on VR game design. Lots of great info and ideas. As a suggestion though, when you're discussing a topic I'd prefer it if you just highlighted maybe 2 or 3 games that took different approaches, rather than running through all of the more popular VR games for each topic. Just have an example that does something well, one that does it poorly by contrast, and maybe explore one or two that just do it different. I think the video would flow better this way and be more focused and instructive/illuminating. If you wanted to explore all of those games in greater detail, you could do a specific breakdown of each one's mechanics in its own video, even giving it a personal grade for how satisfying its weapon handling is. I'm fairly new to the channel, and I recognize this is an older video so apologies if you've already done some of this stuff. Keep up the great work!

[@virtualinsider]

Its difficult to get that balance, ever time I make these sorts of videos people ask why I didnt include this game or that game. VR game design is so deep and complex there is no way to really cover it in a way thats going to be perfect.

[@GreyMatterShades]

@@virtualinsider Very true! I could see that being frustrating. You do a great job of breaking down the mechanics though! I'd love to see game specific deep dives where you talk about all the little things that a popular game does well, and areas that could be improved upon. Keep up the awesome work!

[@deadlymind2622]

The h3vr kill time is interchangeable by using armor piercing or a higher caliber. There's pistols that can 1 to the head and some that don't.

[@kaba9926]

Great analysis. Useful for game designers

[@goxtro4483]

Fun fact the vinete in onward was changed to make it so you could use Supresive fire

[@Xxgunmanx]

The hotdogs in the clips from the ttk section for h3vr are not the one used everywhere else in the game and they have a much high health pool. Also saying "the pistol" for most games doesn't make sense boneworks has a pistol that's 2-3 body or 1 to head and it's just as common as the eder 22. Also boneworks has a really good "sitting" inventory that allows you to spawn a set of slots corresponding to your holster points so you can access while sitting or if you struggle with the on-body points. It's a good win-win design

[@BaseRealityVR]

This video Is great timing for me as Im currently working on vr gun mechanics right now!, As a vetran fps gamer & VR gamer , I already know what I want , But its great to hear what others think about how vr games either get it right or wrong and what gun mechanics are the best and most enjoyable. I don like auto snapping and have gone down the HLA path with nice smooth reload insert.

[@thelastgreyjedi8956]

I love fumbling with ammo in tough spots, it makes me feel way more immersed.

[@gsauceprimary9363]

You can actually "two hand" guns im h3vr. When your off hand is close to the weapon, it reduces recoil. That works with other weapons than just pistols as well actually

[@marcel8704]

Can you please elaborate what you mean by "no recoil"? practically all of the guns you shot had recoil so I am not entirely sure what you mean? Also the enemies you showed for H3 are severely outdated by now, try the new take and hold mode some time lol

[@Pabular]

Some games have animated recoil. But then it moves right back to where you're holding it. Actual recoil makes it where the gun will actually jump back and it won't be exactly where you were holding it.

[@marcel8704]

@@Pabular yes but He said H3 has no recoil even though it definetly has? I mean He basically shot so slowly that the gun had more than enough time to stabilize Back to its original position again

[@darkrogue9158]

I would love to see someone make a vr game with a gun like the service weapon from control 1 gun that has several different forms. Either having an alyx like way of changing forms or having interesting ways for the player to triger each mode

[@tobybackscratcher4706]

H3vr technically has two handed but it’s hard to tell. If you move your hand to the side of the pistol it will minimize the minimal recoil

[@lolololololollollol1]

There is a sorta jank way you can eject mags in boneworks I found. With a handgun press the inventory button and you'll see an eject mag option. Flick your hand up and release the button and it will eject the mag. Its a little weird at first but can be really satisfying once you get the hang of it.

[@MKVProcrastinator]

Why were you testing enemy health in H3VR against the super old and janky robot sosigs? That mode is in the side panel out of the main view for a reason.

[@sunset5928]

hololgraphic sights move with the gun barrel. Thats why Boneworks has that. And because they kinda maintained on physics and lore.

[@croxmeister]

I really reminds me of shooters in the 90s. All these things, controls and mechanics are still in flux and the industry hasn't really settled on what is the best way of doing things yet.

[@virtualinsider]

It really does feel like that

[@CarlinHerbert]

When firing a automatic weapon you are supposed to shoot it in bursts not only to conserve Ammon but to also to keep your shots accurate

[@fgm-148javelin3]

H3vr + bonework’s gravity physics combined If destiny 2 was a vr these to would make the best vr rpg game

[@fashvr9961]

amazing video. zero caliber has my favorite VR rifles are, but the best pistols are in bone works, they are so satisfying to use!

[@toecheese9935]

For me it's gotta be h3

[@narrowgauge0727]

I think reloading mechanics for the ARs in pavlov seem really cool, and if they combined that but with the accessibility of the HLA's guns i imagine it would be very cool.

[@BritVR2022]

Pop 1 smgs exist People that have spent thousands of hours on the game : let's learn how to Accurately one hand

[@gallowshumor1784]

vail vr has pretty good reloads which strike a nice balance between h3vr style reloads and more simple versions, especially with the ak15

[@jelly_jug_jr941]

I was just about to hop in Pavlov when I saw this what great timing

[@CaveyMoth]

Boneworks has the weirdest looking recoil ever.

[@bassemb]

Beautiful analysis.

[@ATJStellar]

Just so you know, for H3VR the recoil foe heavier pistols are reduced when you mimic using both hands.

[@Thewolfobsessedgamer]

I want to correct a mistake: H3VR does in fact have a thing for two handing pistols, you just have to bring your other hand closer. also saying that pistols have no recoil in H3VR is a bit of a misnomer as like real life it's completely dependent on the pistol. The pistol used in the video is known to be good for it's low recoil

[@WackyStudio]

Great video, I recommend you check out COMPOUND, it's a retro styled rogue like with some satisfying weapons.

[@beanos2287]

You can eject magazines in boneworks, but only using the action menu.

[@reJECT0]

H3VR's damage system is entirely based on what caliber shots you are firing, different assault rifles and pistols shoot different bullets. Bigger bullet=Bigger hurt. Overall this video was pretty great but a lot of small things that could've used more research, It's a big video though and anyones bound to make some mistakes.

[@sir_duckington1245]

you *CAN* eject mags in boneworks, youll just have to do it trough a weird menu

[@iamthegame2766]

I think boneworks has great guns.

[@Hunterkiller667]

I don't like how Alyx holds the pistol wrong. But I guess it makes sense, she never got any gun training. But also the gun locks back even if you removed the magazine 1st which is unrealistic.