A Gun For Aiming: M8C .50 Caliber Spotting Rifle

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The M8C is a .50 caliber self-loading rifle designed to mount on top of the 106mm M40 recoilless rifle. The recoilless rifle creates a massive signature when fired, and so it is imperative that operators move immediately after firing. In order to make accurate first-round hits, the M8C was built with a unique 12.7x77mm cartridge which matches the trajectory of the 106mm round. Using a tracer-spotter projectile, the M40 gunner is able to adjust aim with spotter rounds that will not be noticed by the target and ensure a good hit with the first 106mm shot.
This example has been fitted to a tripod for shooting, which its not historically appropriate - but is convenient.
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@lanceocana9059
@lanceocana9059 2 жыл бұрын
This must be the most american telescope ive ever seen
@justindunlap1235
@justindunlap1235 2 жыл бұрын
More of a rangefinder, but I agree with the sentiment.
@zXPeterz14
@zXPeterz14 2 жыл бұрын
I believe lots of tanks/artillery from around the world used similar guns using tracers
@PerSon-xg3zr
@PerSon-xg3zr 2 жыл бұрын
@@zXPeterz14 Even rocket launchers and recoilless rifles use something like that. But it's 9mm tracers.
@u2beuser714
@u2beuser714 2 жыл бұрын
The bigger the more american it is
@zXPeterz14
@zXPeterz14 2 жыл бұрын
@@u2beuser714 russian 50cal is bigger than american bmg
@feldweible
@feldweible 2 жыл бұрын
We used to call the spotting rifle shot "Firing the Oh Round". Because after that registers on target, they have about as long as it takes to say; "Oh!" before the M40 round hits. I hated seeing those guns leave the arsenal. They were so versatile. It only took 5 Marines to carry it by hand when broken down into Gun tube, Tripod and T&E Block.
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules 2 жыл бұрын
It's been very interesting to see what's happened to them since then though. A lot of spotting and training rifles have gone on to have some very unusual lives. In Ukraine right now they're actually repurposing barrel insert rifles which were made to train Soviet tank crews as heavy sniper rifles.
@WineScrounger
@WineScrounger 2 жыл бұрын
@@asteroidrules they’re inventive people, gotta hand it to them
@someweirdguyew9757
@someweirdguyew9757 2 жыл бұрын
@@WineScrounger A corollary to necessity being the mother of invention, is that it is perilous for a nation-state to inflict asymmetrical necessity on an enemy nation.
@WineScrounger
@WineScrounger 2 жыл бұрын
@@someweirdguyew9757 or indeed to make a nation its enemy. I’m sure Ukraine would have happily just carried on and left Russia alone.
@faryldaryl3975
@faryldaryl3975 2 жыл бұрын
Funny you should mention that. A decade or three ago when I was researching the 20-round mag I had, I read somewhere that gunners could clear out a building/bunker just by firing the spotting round in there. The occupants assumed the reckless round would be following shortly and took the opportunity to abandon the real estate.
@marcusmoonstein242
@marcusmoonstein242 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 80's I was in the South African Army, and I can remember having a chat to a paratrooper who trained on the 106mm recoilless rifle. He specifically mentioned that the ballistic matching on the 12.7mm spotting round was pretty much perfect. The 106 would land exactly where the 12.7 landed every time.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 2 жыл бұрын
Should have kept them around as cheap bunker busters.
@shawnc5188
@shawnc5188 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen one of these rounds explode in the chamber an pepper an M40 gunner in the chest with burning powder. Thankfully he wasn’t badly injured.
@thesaddestdude3575
@thesaddestdude3575 2 жыл бұрын
@@shawnc5188 Poor guy, hope he had a swift recovery!
@shawnc5188
@shawnc5188 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesaddestdude3575 Happened in early 1991, he had some minor burn marks on his neck and chest, but nothing major. I still remember that Lima Foxtrot incident as a USN MEU was sailing by on the way to GW1, and their comms jammed all our signal sets - some idiot repeating “Mercedes Now” over and over, so it wasn’t constructive as we were doing an infantry battalion heavy weapons shoot.
@davidvenegas6401
@davidvenegas6401 2 ай бұрын
This method was used on tanks also. If you heard a single strong metalic bullet strike it was often followed by the main gun.
@erichartmann7110
@erichartmann7110 2 жыл бұрын
I was trained as a 106mm RG section commander in the '80s. The way we charge the spotting rifle was palms down n pull back, not palms up pull back (as shown 6'50" of the video). This was due to the sharp edges of the ejection port right about in the middle. You may cut yourself in the palm if you pull back with your palm facing upwards. It is safer to pull back with your thumb and pointer finger sliding along the rifle body, palms facing down. Just sharing. Nice to see this old bugger again after so many years.
@philipsturtivant9385
@philipsturtivant9385 2 жыл бұрын
I had an anti-tank platoon with 6 x 120mm WOMBAT recoilless AT rifles in Berlin (1981-83). They each had a 50 cal spotting rifle, but the trajectory of the spotting rounds was mismatched to the main armament, because the size, mass and low velocity of the HESH round meant that it not only arced in the vertical plane, but also (because of the rifling induced spin on its front-to-rear axis), it 'rolled' and drifted - consistently, I might add - to the right as it travelled. Zeroing the system was a complicated affair, (telescope - dead straight LOS, 50 cal vertically parabolic trajectory, main armament parabolic trajectory on the V axis with a built-in right-hand Yaw on the H axis . . . ) Teaching the lesson "Theory of Zeroing" was very distinctly an Officer's Job, let me tell you 😀 Happy daze
@MichaelSmith-ms3jw
@MichaelSmith-ms3jw 2 жыл бұрын
We used these as part of a subcaliber training device on the M-60 tank. We mounted it on top of the main gun like we later mounted the M2. The vehicles we fired at were manned. We fired non-AP incendiary rounds at the up-armored M114s with steel plates welded on. This was in the 80s and sounds as primitive as all hell now - but it did at the time too.
@thomashyler6174
@thomashyler6174 2 жыл бұрын
I remember shooting the 106 back in the late 70's. The back blast was tearing chunks out of the asphalt behind the firing line. The trigger reminded me of a door know. Semper fi
@ThomasAdsumus
@ThomasAdsumus 2 жыл бұрын
Saw one of those from up close a few weeks ago. The Brazilian Army had an antique weapons display and at the Brazilian Expeditionary Force section they had a M38A1C. My son is only 1 year old so i couldn't explain to him what it was, but took some pictures of him on the drivers seat to explain to him what it was in the future hahahaha Sadly it didn't had the magazine attached (for obvious reasons) so thank you for i was curious about it.
@georgegordonbrown9522
@georgegordonbrown9522 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how you said "self loading" instead of semi-automatic. A lot of non-gun people are confused when they hear semi-automatic. They could think it´s a kind of automatic. And as always: great video.
@Dimetropteryx
@Dimetropteryx 2 жыл бұрын
Not to get too technical, but self-loading and semi-automatic ARE different things. Even a lot of gun people don't know the difference, but not all semi-automatics are self-loading.
@Dimetropteryx
@Dimetropteryx 2 жыл бұрын
@real pedroppp To qualify as semi-automatic, the gun only needs to eject the spent cartridge and possibly reset the striker. A self-loader also loads itself. A semi-automatic doesn't necessarily cycle, unless it's also self-loading.
@Dimetropteryx
@Dimetropteryx 2 жыл бұрын
@real pedroppp This is established terminology, self-ejecting isn't a thing. This isn't about putting "self" and "loading" together and yelling "Aha! It loads itself!"
@Dimetropteryx
@Dimetropteryx 2 жыл бұрын
@real pedroppp Those are semi-automatic now.
@Dimetropteryx
@Dimetropteryx 2 жыл бұрын
@real pedroppp How do you figure?
@Pepe_Le_Pew_Pew
@Pepe_Le_Pew_Pew 2 жыл бұрын
The mk 153 SMAW has a 9mm version as well this is still a viable option for aiming shoulder launched anti-tank dumb rounds
@zrspangle
@zrspangle Жыл бұрын
9x51 SMAW is such a darn silly cartridge. It's 3 different cartridges jammed into one
@stephen2429
@stephen2429 2 жыл бұрын
We had these on our 120mm Conbat & Wombat anti- tank guns. Great watch. After a range day and all our 120mm hesh rounds were fired we would use up all the remaining spotting rounds on hard targets.
@mauricestainsby196
@mauricestainsby196 2 жыл бұрын
I thought they started with a Bren on the Mobat but I guess the round was too small.
@stephen2429
@stephen2429 2 жыл бұрын
@@mauricestainsby196 That's right, long before my time. Conbat, Wombat then Milan, that's my experiences.
@FIREBRAND38
@FIREBRAND38 2 жыл бұрын
Ian, from TM 9-1000-205-12 dated March 1959: "Cal. .50 spotting rifle M8C is the only model spotting rifle covered in this manual. As prescribed by MWO ORD B48-Wl, all rifles of early manufacture, designated cal. .50 spotting rifle M8 will be converted to cal. .50 spotting rifle M8C before issue. This modification consists of machining a counterbored hole in the firing mechanism housing of cal. .50 spotting rifle M8 to permit installation of an electrical safety mechanism when the rifle is used with multiple 106-mm full tracked self-propelled rifle M50 (TM 9-7222). A "C" is then stamped after the M8 designation on the receiver of the rifle. This modification does not affect troop use or care within the scope of this manual."
@abchaplin
@abchaplin 2 жыл бұрын
These remained in service with the Jeep-mounted106 in the armour defence platoons of Canadian Forces' reserve manoeuvre units into the 1980s. Their field stripping looks niggly and I am glad that I never had to do it in winter (I was never a 106 gunner).
@digbick1241
@digbick1241 2 жыл бұрын
Niggly, lolz
@drollieascoliasm9667
@drollieascoliasm9667 2 жыл бұрын
My Dad was on an Ontos in Vietnam. He always praised this aiming system. The Museum of the America GI in College Station Texas has a fully restored M50 Ontos. It worth a look if your in the area.
@sleepyrasta420
@sleepyrasta420 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully Ian see's your comment
@charlesdoesstuff7379
@charlesdoesstuff7379 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I'm a little ways down the road from there about 2 hours. Guess I've got a weekend trip in the making now.
@drollieascoliasm9667
@drollieascoliasm9667 2 жыл бұрын
You missed it this year, but in March the GI museum does a living history weedend. It awesome they actual run the Tanks in field behind the museum with a demo battle.
@drollieascoliasm9667
@drollieascoliasm9667 2 жыл бұрын
Sofilein posted a video at the museums living history weekend 2021 of my Dad describing M50 operations. Me and Dad had great time their and love that museum.
@ibubezi7685
@ibubezi7685 2 жыл бұрын
@@drollieascoliasm9667 Thanks - she posted the 2022 weekend Ontos a month ago.
@Hansengineering
@Hansengineering 2 жыл бұрын
To install springs without kinking, pull bolt to rear, install springs into bolt. Press springs forward as you press bolt forward. Tension and latch plugs.
@gfr2023
@gfr2023 2 жыл бұрын
my uncle use this in Italian Army during '60s he told me they where trained as a team on board of the FIAT Campagnola "jeep" armed with 106mm recoilless, they stop, aimed and fire the tracer, adjust fire the 106mm and run away of position... Don't forget to yell "attenti al 106!!" (pay attention to 106mm) when you fire !!
@thesaddestdude3575
@thesaddestdude3575 2 жыл бұрын
Its funny, that vehicle is in warthunder and can be played!
@gfr2023
@gfr2023 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesaddestdude3575 really ? I'm going to install that game
@zrspangle
@zrspangle Жыл бұрын
​@@thesaddestdude3575different vehicles, the campagnola was a proper Willys inspired jeep. The 6614 is an armoured car.
@pdxyyz4327
@pdxyyz4327 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen them in use with the M40. Very cool to see them used at night. Watching the tracer go down range then ricochet off the target. The M40 fired at night is something to behold.
@STB-jh7od
@STB-jh7od 2 жыл бұрын
In late 90s, I was at a gun range and met a guy who built 4 shot revolver (yes hand-gun) in .50 spotter, this round.
@pirig-gal
@pirig-gal 2 жыл бұрын
Cool idea to make the round glow a different colour as it travels. Makes for an easy (if inaccurate) distance indicator.
@thesaddestdude3575
@thesaddestdude3575 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah its awesome.
@B9oyd
@B9oyd 2 жыл бұрын
Im fairly certain that if you HAD TO a .50cal exploding tracer round would delete an emergent threat infantryman rather quickly, without you needing to offload the primary round
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 2 жыл бұрын
Accidentally, of course.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
@@justforever96 Having been an AT platoon leader, if someone exposed himself two klicks away thinking he was safe, we might just kill him on general principles to remove him from the gene pool. You have to be judgmental, though. Do you really want to give away your AT position (remember, you're paid to kill tanks)
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 2 жыл бұрын
@@justforever96 Rules of Engagement don't always require an enemy to be deemed an "emergent threat". "Targets of Opportunity" are definitely a thing.
@dogcarman
@dogcarman 2 жыл бұрын
@@zoiders Recon by fire is best recon. 👍
@RhodokTribesman
@RhodokTribesman 2 жыл бұрын
If the AT guy is so unsupported that he has to use his spotting rounds for infantry, your tactics have already failed tremendously at the platoon level.
@kylehenline3245
@kylehenline3245 2 жыл бұрын
Aw man. I read a book by a guy that crewed one of these during vietnam and have always been curious! The context y'all add to historical battles is superb!
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video. The M40 recoilless rifle 106mm was still in Marine Corps service when I was in boot camp and I saw a live-fire demonstration as part of my training. Later, when the Army sent me to an 80-hour Unit Armorer Course, the M40 and its spotting rifle were out of the inventory, but I learned that there were still some spotting rifles and ammunition in the supply system--probably wartime reserves or used as military aid. You've given me a detailed look on the innards of the M8C spotting rifle that I thought I'd never get.
@WineScrounger
@WineScrounger 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had an inert spotting round like this for years. Never seen the rifle that it fits until now.
@qingyunwang3802
@qingyunwang3802 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Japanese Howa Type 64 7.62mm automatic rifle borrowed some of M8C's working principle (esp. the receiver).
@hpummel5402
@hpummel5402 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing about the mags being pretty common. I actually have a 20rnd one myself. Picked it a few years ago at a gun shop that was going out of business.
@MandoWookie
@MandoWookie 2 жыл бұрын
I now wish I had the talent and time to gather up a bunch of those 20 round magazines and make some kind of semi-auto rifle around them to fire that short .50 round. Style it like a massive M14, and chamber it in .50 Special.
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the .50 spotter reamer is available.
@sealiosshorts
@sealiosshorts 2 жыл бұрын
“Self loading 50 caliber rifle” such beautiful words
@weswolever7477
@weswolever7477 2 жыл бұрын
Makes me go all weak in the knees
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 2 жыл бұрын
I've serviced the M8C before, this spotter uses a shortened 12.7×76mm cartridge that is ballistically matched to the M-40 (105mm) recoilless rifle. The military called its ammo 106mm to help prevent the accidental firing of the M-40 ammo in the earlier 105mm recoilless rifle, M-27. The 12.7x99mm of the M2/M3 service .50-cal machine-gun will not fit. I believe the (C) markings are due a clarification in the military model nomenclature. the term M8 was being used by the M8 greyhound scout car.
@leeharveyspawnpeekoswald8495
@leeharveyspawnpeekoswald8495 2 жыл бұрын
This is why we don't get invaded even our scopes shoot AT rounds
@gloopygloyper9892
@gloopygloyper9892 2 жыл бұрын
Lul invaded my man you've already been conquered.
@foobar-9k
@foobar-9k 2 жыл бұрын
Not only I learn about guns on this channel (I was not interested in guns before, but Ian's presentation is great, and I like the mechanical aspects), but it also helps improve my poorly self-taught "English". FINALLY I understood the word "kink" (and the "other" meaning) after Ian used it regarding that spring :-)
@charlesnash2748
@charlesnash2748 10 ай бұрын
To fire the M40 recoiless rifle, you sit on a seat on one side and look through a telescopic sight. There are two crank wheels, one traverses and one elevates and depresses the rifle. You turn these cranks until you are on the target with the scope. The spotting rifle is fired by pulling a big nob out. It is a semiauto. The .50 cal. spotter rounds are all tracers. As soon as you get a hit with the spotter rifle, you push the nob in and the recoiless rifle fires, vitually instantly. When the M40 is fired, It feels like someone briefly stepped on your chest.
@Joe3pops
@Joe3pops 2 жыл бұрын
The Brits adapted this for thier 120mm revoiless rifle as well. Seen them used night time fire at Camp Wainwright Alberta. Main gun & spotting rifle.
@kevinoverduin3989
@kevinoverduin3989 2 жыл бұрын
Gives whole new meaning to "just looking"
@gregcampwriter
@gregcampwriter 2 жыл бұрын
"Okay, see that thing over there with the half inch hole in it?" "Yeah." "It needs a bigger hole."
@tollutollu
@tollutollu 2 жыл бұрын
It's silly but as somebody that's done a lot of texture work on 3d art I love the patina on that gun, it looks so nice.
@alanlawson4180
@alanlawson4180 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, pretty sure I remember these from the (UK) WOMBAT anti-tank gun, still in use up to the early '80s. Wombat was a 120mm recoilless rifle used by UK Army either towed by a land rover or mounted on top of a FV432 APC - UK analogue to the M113.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 2 жыл бұрын
Name a better military acronym than WOMBAT: Weapon Of Magnesium, Batalion Anti-Tank.
@alanlawson4180
@alanlawson4180 2 жыл бұрын
@@Treblaine And the noise! Probably one reason (along with 84mm) that I'm deaf as a post. 1 shot weapons in reality - but anything hit by 120mm squash head was going to be utterly buggered!
@hessex1899
@hessex1899 2 жыл бұрын
There was a gunsmith at my childhood range that built a heavy benchrest rifle chambered in .50 Spotter. I'd have gone one step further in the hipster scale and necked it down to .375 and blown out the shoulders", but that's just me. :)
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 2 жыл бұрын
Superb description as always. Thanks Ian.
@hansvonmannschaft9062
@hansvonmannschaft9062 2 жыл бұрын
That mysterious "C" reminded me of the Colt 1911 occurrence, Ian surely knows it, if he made no comment it must've been due to being knowledge-overloaded 😂 Anyway, for us mortals, when the 1911 began to be sold on the civilian market, each pistol's serial number would begin with a "C", never an "A", or "B" either, just like this case, excepting that I hardly doubt there's been a "civilian" version of the M40, leading me to humbly believe that it was the third model that became the _charm,_ and thus greenlighted for production/acquisition. Cheers.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently it stood for "commercial", to separate them from military contract 1911s. A bit of googling suggests the prototype for the spotting rifle was called the T46, and the T46E3 model was the one that worked best, so perhaps that was why it's the C-model. Springfield Armory's collection website reveals it was designed by a chap called Earle Harvey, but the website is horrible to use and the links look like spam.
@hansvonmannschaft9062
@hansvonmannschaft9062 2 жыл бұрын
@UCmtAZswa1MukOcE1Xjm6yaA Seems you nailed it, Ashley. And thanks for the correction, of course, how dumb of mine, in the Colt case, the "C" would've been for "commercial", not "civilian", DOH! 🤦‍♂ Thanks also for the info on the prototypes! As a side note, isn't it funny that apparently the US began this whole "Technical" trend? - haha! Moreover, this just reminded me of the 1998 movie "Black Hawk Down", where some hostile technicals are using *a recoiless gun mounted on a flatbed truck,* before being surprised by Eric Bana & co. Ramblings aside, thanks for the reply and info again, have a great weekend!
@Romin.777
@Romin.777 2 жыл бұрын
That's a total new genre for me, a spotting gun in .50 cal that shoots tracers. Nice. GOD bless you all.
@xXxNECROMONGERxXx
@xXxNECROMONGERxXx 2 жыл бұрын
M2 at home.
@Perfusionist01
@Perfusionist01 2 жыл бұрын
NICE! I have read about the 106's for years and have seen references to the spotting rifle, but nobody has gone into detail on the M8C, how it worked, or the very special ammo for it. As a bonus, in the next video we actually get to see it go BANG. Good stuff Ian!
@justindunlap1235
@justindunlap1235 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video, I've been wanting to see one of these since you mentioned it during the recoilless rifle video.
@nuclearreactor7058
@nuclearreactor7058 2 жыл бұрын
i've found these casings at a range in pendleton and was really curious what they went to.
@oddball_the_blue
@oddball_the_blue 2 жыл бұрын
Ian has finally found the right ammo magazine for the AK-50 (although it'd need extending slightly to use a full .50 BMG)
@ST-kr7hz
@ST-kr7hz 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the work you put into this excellent, informative and entertaining channel, Ian.
@byronwilliams2122
@byronwilliams2122 2 жыл бұрын
that explains what i snatched after a fire power demonstration at Fort Gordon on Armistice Day years ago . they made all us boy scouts quit doing that because they were worried we would pick up a live miss-fire . lived next to Augusta Armory ,there was a hole in the fence and everybody had live rounds picked from the basement .
@aviatorengineer3491
@aviatorengineer3491 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to learn about systems like this when I first heard of the Mk 153's spotting rifle, it's still cool to hear about them in other weapon systems.
@samrussell9264
@samrussell9264 2 жыл бұрын
Also used in the British Army under the designation L40A1 (classed as '.50 Machine Gun' for some reason ), mounted on the L6 120mm WOMBAT recoiless rifle. The WOMBAT was known as " The VC Gun", due to the considerable amount of backdraught raised when firing, which basically negated the subtlety of using the spotting rifle after the first shot.
@gray1shark
@gray1shark 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever seen a 20rd .50 mag before. What an interesting piece of hardware.
@HasturT
@HasturT 2 жыл бұрын
Random fact: The Swedish 90 mm recoilless gun, Pansarvärnspjäs 1110 (Pvpj 1110), used a modified Ag m/42 rifle (Ljungman) as ranging gun under the designation Inskjutningsgevär 5110.
@brockmcgonig4469
@brockmcgonig4469 2 жыл бұрын
Sometime in my childhood of collecting I acquired one of these stubby .50 cal brass. It took my years to figure out what it was.
@gordonpromish9218
@gordonpromish9218 2 жыл бұрын
fascinating bolt carrier group design
@ChrisB.C.
@ChrisB.C. 2 жыл бұрын
I knew these existed but this is the first one I've actually seen. Leave it to Ian!
@jamesconner1639
@jamesconner1639 2 жыл бұрын
That's SO crazy but yet makes tons of sense. Very cool! Man I Love this channel!
@johnib5905
@johnib5905 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! I love the M8C, and I'm so happy to get such a good look at it!
@weswolever7477
@weswolever7477 2 жыл бұрын
If they mass produced a sporting version of the cartridge and bolt action rifle, I’d start saving up my pop cans
@alextemplet
@alextemplet 2 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly amazed they were able to design a mounting that not only allowed you to zero that thing to the main weapon, but KEPT it zeroed while the whole assemblage was bouncing around across rough terrain. That must've been a job and a half.
@jalowery1246
@jalowery1246 2 жыл бұрын
Clean,simple, and efficient engineering. Cool!
@Perkinator104
@Perkinator104 2 жыл бұрын
I *REALLY* want to know how this thing got onto the civilian market. And how many others did. And where the nearest one is for sale...
@billskinner623
@billskinner623 2 жыл бұрын
You get a white flash when the round strikes a hard surface. The collar is protection due to the explosive tip.
@MythicMagus
@MythicMagus 2 жыл бұрын
It's always nice to get videos of something I've never even heard of before.
@danielburgess7785
@danielburgess7785 2 жыл бұрын
Forgotten vs Never Knew Existed Usually learn something of interest from our Host. Thank you Mr. M..
@narkill034
@narkill034 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing me this. One of these hanging from the ceiling at the surplus store in North Las Vegas and I had no idea what it was. More knowledge
@Abby_Normal_1969
@Abby_Normal_1969 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me, just a little, of the coaxial 20mm on a French AMX 40 MBT.
@juanordonezgalban2278
@juanordonezgalban2278 2 жыл бұрын
But that had a very different use
@Abby_Normal_1969
@Abby_Normal_1969 2 жыл бұрын
@@juanordonezgalban2278 - perhaps additional uses. I recall reading that particular 20mm had an similar trajectory to the 120mm so it could be used to range find...along with an anti material role, anti personnel role, and etc. I did say 'just a little bit'.
@juanordonezgalban2278
@juanordonezgalban2278 2 жыл бұрын
I tought the amx40 had a laser range finder already. But I can see it used on early amx30s that just had a coincidence one
@gin3648
@gin3648 2 жыл бұрын
That's weirdly specific and cool.
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 2 жыл бұрын
I can see why they would show up at gun shows, the Marines used the 106 until it was finally replaced in the mid 80s by the T.O.W. missile. The Marines used the Ontos and mounted the 106 on jeeps, trucks, and the Mule all terrain vehicle thing and every vehicle would have had at least one of these spotting scopes. Then when the 106 is phased out would have left a lot of magazines available for souvenirs. Then some kid sells his grandpas magazine thing because he doesn't give a damn about heritage when he could get a few bucks for drugs or a new video game. You know it's not the original owner because he could have told you what it is.
@exuberance3973
@exuberance3973 2 жыл бұрын
Dear lord. Another horror from the depths of the engineering lords dump pile. Thank you Ian for showing us this monstrosity
@CAMSLAYER13
@CAMSLAYER13 2 жыл бұрын
This thing actually seems like a pretty good plan and execution in an age before laser range finding
@AnthonyHandcock
@AnthonyHandcock 2 жыл бұрын
Horror? Monstrosity? You have no soul sir! :-D
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
And having led an AT platoon equipped with the M40A1 106mm, I can state that the M8C worked like a charm
@ALAPINO
@ALAPINO 2 жыл бұрын
I only ever knew about the existence of this thing from a video game. Seems like a fun thing to have.
@BlackSoap361
@BlackSoap361 2 жыл бұрын
“Gun that is also a gun accessory” But you already said it is cool.
@captainscarlett1
@captainscarlett1 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I've seen one of these in action. My battalion's AT platoon used the M40 with these attached. I never fired one but I prefer to watch anyway. Bang bang bang boom...boom. Those spotting rounds seem pretty knarly on target too. Very spectacular.
@skookapalooza2016
@skookapalooza2016 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny you mention the FAL operating system. When you showed the magazine I thought it looked a lot like an oversized FAL mag.
@Dr4gon2000
@Dr4gon2000 2 жыл бұрын
10:34, "And that's how simple a self loading .50 caliber rifle can be" Damn, someone needs to send this to Brandon Herrera
@jasonbernard4879
@jasonbernard4879 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting years for this one.
@LugftHuronAC
@LugftHuronAC 2 жыл бұрын
The SMAW launcher has something like this attached to it, but it fires this weird bastard round.
@ravenwarjoy
@ravenwarjoy 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, a semi auto .50 cal rifle, the perfect replacement for a scope.
@vornice7604
@vornice7604 2 жыл бұрын
alright im gonna say it, its one crazy machinist away from being a full auto .50 cal sten. 👀
@Smiffew
@Smiffew 2 жыл бұрын
I seem to remember a field fun in WW2 that was spotted with a light machine gun mounted to the carriage, but I forget what it was called
@jacobishii6121
@jacobishii6121 Жыл бұрын
I've seen the pulled bullets for sale in bulk.... I never knew they went into a smaller casing
@JS-ed2hg
@JS-ed2hg 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Keep up the good work and shoot safe
@rong1924
@rong1924 2 жыл бұрын
"50 BMG Short" A nice way to introduce shooting sports to Cub Scouts.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with Browning. It's the M48A2 50 Caliber Spotting Round
@yocapo32
@yocapo32 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing like a good ol' .50 BMG Sten.
@ROBERTNABORNEY
@ROBERTNABORNEY Ай бұрын
WARNING from someone who had a platoon of 106's in a prior life. The spotting round is NOT DROP SAFE. If you drop it on its nose, it will detonate! That is the reason for the cardboard sleeve. I had good gunners, despite what the book says, my guys were getting first round hits at 2000-2500 meters. I asked the oldest sergeants and no one knew what the C stood for.
@Uncle_Roadkill
@Uncle_Roadkill 2 жыл бұрын
M8C - when someone saw a HK Ziel Punkt Projektor and was all like "Awhell, dat thing's wuss! Hey, Bubba-Ray-Jeeter, hold onta muh Budweiser, Imma aim muh gun with muh gun!"
@Bob-dh7bv
@Bob-dh7bv 2 жыл бұрын
I remember we had a LAW94mm that had a built in spotting rifle. I’m sure it was a 9mm tracer round mounted in a 7.62mm cartridge with a.22 percussion cap 1st round in the mag was chromed to prevent corrosion. Hated hanging to carry the beast 😩 🇬🇧
@Angrymuscles
@Angrymuscles 2 жыл бұрын
That was the cutest cartridge that I've ever seen. There has to be some conversion kits to make other guns use it.
@chethaynes5802
@chethaynes5802 2 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting. I have shot that Projectile out of my 50. Lots of Fun !
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting variation on "Follow the Leader."
@loganspena1782
@loganspena1782 Жыл бұрын
Phyllis: You're aiming a gun with a gun? Dwight: You got a better way?
@ihcfn
@ihcfn 2 жыл бұрын
Things like this is why I watch forgotten weapons! 👍
@obamabiden
@obamabiden 2 жыл бұрын
perfect ! finally, an optic for my EDC
@Cacowninja
@Cacowninja 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that the targeting system for the weapon is a weapon in and of itself.
@jwseibert1059
@jwseibert1059 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully Ian can go to the range with one of these mounted on the recoilless rifle and get to fire both one day.
@RCZM64
@RCZM64 2 жыл бұрын
Could that added "C" mean this was the third spotting rifle on an Ontos vehicle? So it's matched to it's original recoilless rifle after being taken down for maintenance?
@006hetzkin5
@006hetzkin5 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Wanted to know about these mounted on the Ontos.
@Ranger_Kevin
@Ranger_Kevin 2 жыл бұрын
Somewhere Xzibit is like "yo dawg, I heard you like rifles, so we put a rifle onto your rifle"
@PerSon-xg3zr
@PerSon-xg3zr 2 жыл бұрын
"Spotting rifle." "You mean sporting?" "No, spotting."
@Madmax45247
@Madmax45247 2 жыл бұрын
Now I'm curious if there has been any confirmed kills with the M8C. Imagine being able to brag "and then I took him out with my rangefinder".
@mattis8205
@mattis8205 2 жыл бұрын
Brandon Herrera, AK50 in .50x77mm, 20rnd mag. Pure bliss.
@gnfnrf
@gnfnrf 2 жыл бұрын
First impression: That's the biggest Pederson device I have ever seen!
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