A KINK Or Something Deeper?? || HC Pod

Murad Mareli became popular among black & Asian women through social media commentary but video's videos of him recently taking part in race play started circulating. I guess the question is: Is t possible to take part in race play kinks and not have racist tendencies??
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[@CookieDee11]

Poet not being in this is a blessing for him

[@amz2293]

Lets be real poet doesn't have the depth for these kind of convos. Hence it was one on one.

[@CookieDee11]

@@amz2293 I think he does have depth when he chooses to. He is just more likely to say what a lot of us are thinking in a way that will offend. Which tbh I am here for 😂

[@amz2293]

@@CookieDee11 But when someones story involves abuse/trauma/things that trigger a lot of other people, he needs to be able to explore sensitively. Something he's not good at so I think Chuckie picks topics well to have him talk about

[@bbbbbbbbbb0]

@@amz2293 Poet does has depth when it comes to issues relating to race and class. His views are the most pro black out of all three of them.

[@zoesway5036]

@@CookieDee11 poet doesn’t allow people to talk, especially when he thinks he’s right about something. That’s not good when you’re interviewing someone

[@isaackagboola]

I think we as black people are too forgiving.

[@LadyofLeisure.]

You feel me?

[@naeyah07]

waaaay too forgiving, guess it’s a beautiful curse🤷🏽‍♀️🥲

[@neeciiw7840]

Deffo🙄🤦🏾‍♀️

[@DEEORM]

@@naeyah07 that's how we got out tings took

[@MidiArtist]

Too forgiving for other races but will happy to throw a brother /sister under the buss

[@lx134]

😂😂 he asked Chuckie if he knows where Streatham is ffs acting like it’s Narnia

[@milymily6493]

STOOOOOOOOP STOOOOOP BLAMING THE RELIGION… YOU DID THIS !!!! point blank PERIOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!

[@xxx-su2ty]

He is scrambling, blaming literally everybody but himself!

[@milymily6493]

@@xxx-su2ty literally!! I mean no one said he has to be perfect , but have some ownership that’s it really. Just ownership and move on with your life MURAD!!

[@hmmemz1654]

I feel like chuckie sensed the BS from murads answers at times. There's something about murad that is not 100% being genuine still even now

[@bbbbbbbbbb0]

Yep, I got that too from chuckie. Murad’s responses felt media-trained. Obvs he hasn’t done that (or maybe he has🤷), but that’s how he came across. All his answers felt pre-mediated and rehearsed. He’s not a genuine guy.

[@kd9505]

@@bbbbbbbbbb0 especially when he said are we recording? As if that should change your answers ?

[@rexuk9103]

Loool for real - I was cracking up at some parts watching Chuckie's facial reactions and hearing some of his responses! People that have been watching Chuckie for a while will feel the underlying tension throughout this video where Chuckie wanted to say something hella cheeky and slap this guy into reality but had to hold his tongue and stay professional hahahaha

[@VSVPWorldwide]

To the point where I don't even believe he's "past" I feel he's using that because no one can verify or deny..

[@jadasweets3029]

No one is a 100% are you sir? Am not sure what you guys are looking for, take it or leave it. It’s that simple!

[@Theglortube]

He is so manipulative. The way he kept going back to talking about the streets for sympathy 🤢 he sounds so nervous you can tell he’s lying. Makes me sick

[@squeakyrabbit]

I think everything he says in this video is a flat out lie.

[@Threadbow]

​@@squeakyrabbitI agree He has a degree in neurological programming So he knows how to manipulate

[@zoesway5036]

Murad disassociated himself from his actions in every opportunity during this conversation….

[@xxx-su2ty]

Not a shred of accountability.

[@tropicalstormxox9444]

Hes such a liar . No one paid him. You could hear the pleasure in his voice in those videos lmao

[@scruffyo4460]

Yep, typical Murad. He just don’t learn does he 😆

[@abayomiusi7744]

@@tropicalstormxox9444 There are more men paying for someone to come suck their toes, kiss their feet etc than there are people asking to do the sucking. Murad even said those people were poor. What poor person is paying you to do that? Poor people would be begging a master for money and offering their services. The guy deleted his og video so that everyone will forget what he initially said

[@Zowgie]

The issue is what Murad uses his platform for.. dragging racists, defending ethnic communities ect having friends that are ethnic ect, he was acting as if he was the voice for ethnics and behind closed doors he was doing this? It’s just sick. Like there’s so many ways of doing foot fetish, did he have to pick that route. I always thought he had a sugar daddy that’s why he was abroad ect but this is so much worse

[@tkegs6492]

Yup, knew he was gay and probably had a sugar daddy and didn’t give two monkeys about the sugar daddy, but this?? Nah mateeee

[@ellaakinyi2834]

He was 18/19. His platform came in adulthood . The moral high ground of our generation is the highest level of hypocrisy. Are we gonna act like people on sex work have a choice in what they get paid to do??? BFFR

[@unknownj2388]

@@ellaakinyi2834 now ur just lying 😂😂 he wasn’t 18/19 he was well aware of what he was doing and GROWN. stay out of black ppl’s business thanks 👍🏾

[@jadasweets3029]

Yes he had to pick that root, I don’t know why you are all here acting like your holy than thou. Who spoke for black people? Am waiting! Because most black men are on KZbin talking how much they don’t like black women and how much they prefer Becky! So girl bye! More black men on KZbin are sicker than murad and his race play, because these N are out here telling you bitches they don’t like you! Your toooooo dark, your not pretty, your not feminine enough, your not submissive. Becky is better. Where is your energy for them Self hating N…… The Kevin samuals of the world!

[@brendasmith2944]

@@ellaakinyi2834 He was doing all of this recently, someone linked a video to an insta post he made in 2019 where the background and clothing matched. Why is that the genre of race play he selected to go into? If it was to be pissed on I bet he rejected that. You just gotta ask yourself why someone who places himself as the beacon of condemnation, would engage in that. The proximity to blackness and his disgusting race play is not a coincidence. Stop making excuses for him

[@Bree943]

I love the way Chuckie interviews. He holds people to account, asks those tough questions in a non threatening, judgemental way. Just having a simple convo. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@mercyolagunju7485]

Agreed!

[@amz2293]

If people don't care about this mans reasoning, this is not the episode to be listening to? Just click off. Chuckie does a brilliant job at attempting to understand people and I think most people were asking "why" when this came out so it's a very interesting conversation to be had. Good on for Chuckie for doing this and doing it well.

[@Ruu555]

Exactly - thank you 🙏

[@JayW16]

This!

[@berry6467]

Not when Murad has already exposed his true character with his terrible aggressive manipulative apology. The man shot himself in the foot and showed you who he really is and you STILL want to “understand”. You can understand somebody without giving them the opportunity to save their image when they have just shown you who they really are and are not truly repentant or remorseful and still having a victim mentality. All chuckie is doing is feeding into Murads agenda in keeping an image. Don’t let people deceive and play on your curiosity in trying to “understand” someone without making them accountable. Let’s be real both Chuckie and Murad are benefitting from this video. And it’s not helping the black community at all. But give undeserving people time to make excuses. When there are more deserving people who have done more the black community that she be interviewed right now.

[@amz2293]

@@berry6467 After watching the whole video I can't see any way Murad has 'saved' his image. He offered an explanation of his truth and Chuckie defo held him accountable and asked very valid questions. I for one defo didn't come away thinking of Murad in any better light. The two can go hand in hand, understanding whilst not condoning.

[@mufasaisalive5031]

This is where you need Po to come and cook him shamelessly. Say what you want about Poet but when it comes to being himself with no fear, he's the guy.

[@mercyolagunju7485]

Chucky don’t seem scared either, he’s just neutral and understanding

[@ajrochester9364]

Poet needed to be there for sure. This Murad guy shouldn’t even be there tbh

[@ReissyBoo]

I feel like as a black community we need to gatekeep our culture A LOT more. He needs to find a new hustle and get on with his life. Bye ✌🏾

[@celeste7566]

Why was he in the black space in the first place and not Asian spaces..

[@hoodseyes3690]

@@celeste7566 lol he’s arab not Asian… why u man love crying Asian as soon as it’s a brown person being racist?

[@sentientbeingschannel6755]

Yeah get a job

[@Haych222]

@@celeste7566 Ahh allow it people can mix if they wanna mix with us, just respect the space simple.

[@alhamdulillah9176]

@@sees9267 why are you dragging black women when it was black men he was doing raceplay with?

[@msamelia3084]

He’s insisting he only engaged in race play because he was forced but his service name was Arab slave master. He marketed himself based on race. Best of luck to him, I hope he grows, heals and learns from this.

[@yara7113]

And he’s not arab. He’s a disgusting person

[@87Lohan]

True I feel like he’s lying about all his experiences about being a sex worker. He’s lying

[@tmarie5504]

@@87Lohan Why do you think he is lying about his experiences?

[@87Lohan]

@@tmarie5504 it just doesn’t sound believable to me, I don’t believe he was a sex worker I believe that he finessed men and used sex to get things from them. He’s built an exaggerated story around that experience in his life to clear his name. What I can believe is that he is looked down upon by his community for being gay and so he looks down on others who he deems to be beneath him. That is the only copied behaviour being displayed here

[@Zowgie]

This is it

[@smv9706]

We shouldn’t be giving Murad a platform to explain himself. The evidence is already there of what he did

[@DabsDans]

Did u watch the whole thing??

[@kellyanneramirez8220]

My intuition is telling me answers given are not 100% genuine. From watching Chuckie and some of those ‘hmms’ he’s giving, I’m sensing he’s thinking that too.

[@mikebassett9195]

He's pretty callous

[@abayomiusi7744]

Love island Winter is coming soon so this is Murad trying to get his black cheerleader gang back together

[@brendasmith2944]

I’m sorry but no. There’s too many discrepancies in his story. Initially he said all the race play wasn’t his and it was more just the foot kink stuff that was him, now he is mentioning the race play. Then he said he never wrote those derogatory, racists posts on his tumblr (or whatever webpage), now he is saying that he had a website and given the fact that he has alluded to race play it’s fair to assume then those racists posts where him as well. So many people do sex work, that’s not the issue here. The issue is the racist content. Why is that the genre of sex work he was into? And not only that, but if you know those are the skeletons you bare in your closet WHY create KZbin content where you put yourself in a position to morally judge and condemn people of their behaviours? It’s also disturbing to be in such close proximity to the black community and come up with such derogatory comments. He’s also sneakily trying to paint himself as the victim first. He keeps highlighting how the customers where older and it was all content they had and threatened to release of him. I’m sorry but all the content was POV. He’s filmed it himself so I doubt it was something they had over him. Granted now, they saved the videos and used it as an exposé, but he admits he was aware there were threats to expose him. Someone that is truly sorry would have nipped it in the bud from wayyyy back. There’s a reason courts are more lenient when you plead guilty before a court case - it’s believed you feel remorseful. It’s all well and good acknowledging it now, when you’re caught. Also he keeps saying years ago and that he has stopped everything. Sorry but people have linked his last couple of questionable sex work videos to as recently as 2019. It’s fair to again assume that if he was still doing it then, then he was likely still also engaging in race play then as it’s his niche. Also if you look at his insta posts, he is always taking suggestive feet pics. Now I believe this is an ode to his former lifestyle and the following that he still had from those times. Cos the insta comments are all foot fetish related (before he got exposed). I actually think that he’s very calculated and was so brazen with it but didn’t think he would get exposed. I don’t buy anything he is selling, sorry. Black people just need to tune him out and not allow him worm his way back into the community

[@TheDominicKellmanPodcast]

Nuff fuckrie agwan 😂

[@SO-hl5cc]

Facts.

[@sadesuarez2954]

lol dont speak facts on here. The Black community needs Murad! I wonder how forgiving the asian community would be to interview a bm who used the P word against them

[@brendasmith2944]

@@sadesuarez2954 the black community doesn’t “need” Murad. Behave

[@sadesuarez2954]

@@brendasmith2944 its called sarcasm. You should try it some day.

[@Immaculateve]

I’m sorry, every time he says “the bag” he loses me

[@tryderrick]

It's hilarious

[@earloflonsdale9639]

So cringe init

[@Immaculateve]

@@earloflonsdale9639 it’s yucky 😭

[@GadgetsBoy]

This guy wants to have his cake and eat it. Nothing sounds sincere from him at all. He got caught and that’s it

[@patsonflower]

The only community whose members are always open to dialogue with people who despise them. Always. Is it a side effect of needing to be accepted? Depressing.

[@Randomspamsy]

Exactly I'm embarrassed for my people it's so disgusting

[@iffysd9864]

It's the fact that this guy isn't remorseful he simply just wants to "get the bag" on KZbin again.

[@STARZldnlyfe]

We are too open as a community everyone can come in do whatever

[@justdoit.86yearsago]

Because there is an inherent inferiority complex within our community that makes us seek validation from non blk people

[@NicoleEmmamarie]

Honestly it always happens

[@rochelle1314]

murad can LIE! it’s actually so scary !!!!

[@tropicalstormxox9444]

He doesnt even have any shame lol . Lying with his whole chest doing whatever he can LOL

[@jadasweets3029]

And you all know him personally right? Sooooooo you know for sure he’s lying And sooooooo what!

[@fa9183]

And this interviewer was terrible, he gave murad way too much leeway!

[@abayomiusi7744]

its impressive

[@scovyaporsha]

And that is why I say this man doesn't respect black people at all. He thinks we're stupid and beneath him... And he can say anything and we'll fall for it. He's a Table

[@kels3918]

I would have respected him so much more for saying, I didn’t think anything I was saying was going to be heard outside of those rooms and that’s why I was comfortable doing it. Now I know that it was wrong and I’m sorry!! All I heard was excuses and justification for his behaviour!

[@amz2293]

Theres always reasoning behind behaviour. He's explaining how his abuse and desperation for money (to escape a dangerous situation he was in) led to it. 100% don't agree with his actions but can have more understanding if you just listen

[@kels3918]

Definitely not invalidating his experience, but seeking empathy from a community after those racial slurs without firstly taking accountability for your actions is a form of manipulation and it’s inexcusable. Essentially he’s trying to justify being racist and we are supposed to accept it and forgive him because he’s had an unfortunate past. That’s unfair.

[@amz2293]

@@kels3918 Yeah I 100% agree he needs to take more accountability. But I feel the convo was trying to understand how the racism came about rather than justifying it and so hes giving his perspective. But in that, he defo could've been more accountable and generally just more sincere tbf because that is lacking too.

[@HT-vx7ux]

@@kels3918 Exactly!! Our community needs to stop listening to these excuses and giving people a pass when they continually insult us with their racial slurs.

[@nicholasr39]

Ive seen some of the stuff he did on a youtube video, a lot of what i found made me feel physically sick. Boy has psychiatric problems for sure!

[@callumsweeney8541]

I’m sure he denied the race play in his apology video and now he’s admitting it? The thing with Murad is how hard he went on people when they slipped up and got cancelled. Now he’s expecting forgiveness. Theirs too much blame shifting for me. His content is based on jumping on other people and I doubt he can really do that now.

[@dlc888]

Im sure he just denied the captions that accompanied the images. But ye I agree that im not sure if he can come back from this.

[@Faith-sr8zw]

Wish i could pin this comment

[@MR_CAMARADERIE]

The thing is, there are MANY gay Muslim men that have lived experiences exactly the same as him but they haven't ended up profiting from raceplay in sex work? To claim this was "revenge porn" doesn't make any sense either because he was selling all of this as a SERVICE? He was filming these himself and putting them up on the Internet to build his clientele. He showed 0 remorse to anybody when he was ripping the shit out of them on KZbin but now we're supposed to feel some type of way for him?

[@abayomiusi7744]

He denied saying and writing any racial slurs. Said he would never say degrading stuff. Said he was doing this for money, yet also said that the people were poor. he literally swore that he didnt have any part in race play. He only admitted his trauma , which no one asked or cared about, and his fetish

[@daniellajo2448]

Exactly he deleted the original vid because it contradicted his new lies. As for his YT, he's already come back critiquing people & still trying to play advocate for the Blk community. This time he's playing on blk children! The guy is truly sick and so are the people still subscribed/engaging with his content.

[@OL_sonder]

I love that Chuckie is open minded, I don’t think he was trying to save him. But I think he was trying to get more understanding of what he did to give us the opportunity to see if he was genuine. Good on Chuckie for this one, your gonna go far my broooo

[@skyexmonique]

I really agree, it's remarkable to see a Black man willing to sit down and have open dialogue about topics he don't necessarily agree with. I wish more people was like that.

[@DEEORM]

@@skyexmonique we always let people go we should be more like the Jewish guys

[@skyexmonique]

@@DEEORM I don't believe in silencing people for asking questions.

[@DEEORM]

@@skyexmonique OK buh jews don't let people get away with it and have a thriving united community opposite to us ..still fighting over darkskin lightskinned brownskin

[@mercyolagunju7485]

I totally agree

[@ehiagwina]

Definition of selling your soul, be careful what you do for the bag

[@DaaPoetry]

This isn't just about race play..which has seemed to be the main topic...and not addressing the deeper things such as..using Black Culture to benefit his progress, the non apology, holding other content creators and famous people accountable for all their actions while not taking any responsibility for his... Poet wasn't on here for a reason..and that was to save him from the real onslaught of holding him accountable

[@kwameodoi4125]

Facts

[@Sweetieee]

Everything he’s done aside & I do feel at times it feels a lil like he’s trying to use his abuse as an excuse, as someone that’s been through similar trauma, this must be highly triggering & retraumatising to have everyone know about what you went through, talk on it freely, bring it up to you constantly when you’re not expecting it & having to relive memories you’ve buried for so long. Hope he gets the help he needs. Its not easy.

[@chevonneclay1277]

Probably why Nas distanced himself from him! He knew the dark secret!

[@lisakad5987]

So he knew for years and only distanced himself after Love Island? Says a lot about his morals

[@Rooksaaa]

There is legit no reason for you to blame YOUR actions on the religion and culture, and the fact that he kept doing this is so jarring! YOU did this, this brought you joy at the time. Take accountability and heal from your mistakes.

[@templar1757]

"i didnt understand the half of it" He's a fully grown adult, why is he pretending like he doesnt understand that calling someone the n word isnt okay???

[@icykalmc]

Chuckie it might be a good idea to get a trauma therapist on here to explain how trauma affects the brain. I've worked in this field for years and whilst I do not condone or excuse his behaviour, I can see how he got there, so it might be good to have trauma therapist to breakdown how this happens, and what people could possibly do to heal.

[@nickelleraffaelle3529]

Yeah because the community are still not understanding the effects of trauma.

[@prettymisssim]

Best comment on here ❤ Great idea and I second that request, please get a trauma therapist on here and have that conversation asap ❤

[@scruffyo4460]

No point wasting time trying to get a professional to try and analyze Murad’s behavior and actions. It would’ve been better for Murad to just be honest and tell the truth. But he never will cos he’s a selfish manipulator whose main motivation is money and fame and will talk any rubbish and do anything to try and get those things.

[@DoraWinifred]

@@scruffyo4460 He probably has spoken the truth but people have their own thoughts on what it is so damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. His trauma is a lot to work through so there will be things he has done he won't even understand nor explain why

[@scruffyo4460]

@@DoraWinifred the truth? About everything? It’s already a fact that he’s lied about time scales. He claimed that the videos that exposed him were from so many years ago when he was only in his late teens and being exploited by much older men. Have you seen those videos? They are circulating and show Murad from something like two years ago or less, with ‘clients’ that appear to be young men a similar age to him, certainly not ‘old men’ as he claims. Also a fact that he’s spent years lying about his ethnicity, and continues to lie even today. So if he’s lying about those things then what else? You are very naive. This guy is a fraud and doesn’t deserve your compassion. Wake up.

[@Ceeayeem]

I don’t believe him… he knew what he was doing kmt

[@GB-go3gt]

I believe in giving grace because no one is perfect but this guy is 😵‍💫

[@skyexmonique]

Suggestion: I think you should try and get a Black man on the pod who enjoys race play. (Even though judging by the comments some of your audience might be too ignorant for the convo) but I need to understand this kind of kink and where it stems from to gain a full perspective.

[@Its_justlisaa]

Agreed

[@NicoleEmmamarie]

Suggestion: understanding the hypocrisy of having a platform where you provide content to a black audience condemning others of racist behaviour whilst profiting off race play behind the scenes up until 2019. It’s not just about race play it’s the holier than thou character he portrayed to his black audience simultaneously.

[@Its_justlisaa]

@@NicoleEmmamarie I don’t think he did act like that. Maybe you felt like that based on how he speaks? But this man sold himself to get out of a bad situation. He didn’t walk the streets saying slurs he’s said and done what he was paid to do. Plenty sex workers will do anything for money as they are usually vulnerable, alone and desperate. Everyone has demons and skeletons in their closet at least he’s able to see his wrongs and apologise and continue to work on himself.

[@ucherrose3838]

🎪🤡🧢

[@PeteS_1994]

I actually feel the community can be fear based when it comes to issues regarding race and even gender norms. It needs to be challenged.

[@krisadams4561]

Saying horrendous things under the threat of violence is VERY different from saying them voluntarily.

[@hatchibyebye]

He was not under the threat of violence. He did it all voluntarily. Some of them were even barely legal

[@nofapobama]

Highly unlikely a mark submissive enough that they want to be racially degraded would resort to violence when their fantasies are not fulfilled...27:02 is the real reason he did all that raceplay foolishness. The rest is just waffle.

[@sheeats4019]

Or for financial gain

[@dsgm18595]

@NoFap Obama You assume a sub in sex is a sub in life. Some people want to be submissive in the bedroom precisely because they're the opposite on a daily. That aside, some people are just unstable, ready to switch when they feel rejected etc. What he's explaining is easily possible.

[@nofapobama]

@@dsgm18595 Don't ask how I know this but... Murad started off as a "submissive inferior slave" and graduated to the ArabMasterBoy we all saw in the leaked clips. He wasn't as naive and new to the scene as he claims by the time he was filming his raceplay dom sessions (and posting them to OF without some of his clients' consent mind you). Bro even wrote a whole book as "ArabMasterBoy" where he admits that his involvement with foot fetish race play stuff was what gave him the ability to afford luxury trips and a globetrotting lifestyle and that's why he did it. Now he's contradicting himself on about "having to live under a bridge" etc when his book and social media posts at the time suggest otherwise. Not saying as a sub originally he may not have had a weird/hard time (though that kinda comes with the territory) ..but as a ArabMasterBoy though...he was a celebrity in that space - particularly because of the raceplay. His main motivation by that point was money and nothing else don't get it twisted.

[@badriyaomar3146]

I think the important question that wasn’t actually addressed by him is if you were forced in these situations then why on earth would you upload this content to the internet to encourage and collect more clients? Justifying your racism by saying you were forced when you clearly uploaded this content. Also we have all been in difficult situation, we’ve done terrible jobs to make money. He has an educational background and hasn’t considered getting a job? I didn’t hear a single apology. Can we please stop giving people who are racist a platform?

[@raerae6824]

Yeah I was a bit confused when he said the only other option for money was to work on the street. There was no accountability in his “apology”, and still no accountability here. Just all talk and defensiveness.

[@orls9068]

Yeah, he has a degree in psychology, he didn't have to work on the street, he's so dramatic and full of shit He's a greedy person, loves money and attention otherwise he would have got a job in psychology but that would involve having to listen to others and not himself

[@cakepudding3220]

Plus he has family he’s still in contact with. I came from abuse and have 0 family. If his family were that bad like mine he would be on his Jack Jones. So technically he could have stayed with other family members he wasn’t as hard up

[@MidiArtist]

I’m sorry for what he went through but sorry there is many people who have been sexually abused as children and don’t choose race place to “get out of the situation “ let’s be real man ! We are in the uk he makes it seem like he couldn’t just go to the police or go get a job in Tesco and rent a room out :/ honestly I can’t take this guy in man ! Like many comments are saying us as black people are toooo forgiving to other races /people but don’t maintain that energy when it comes to us .my view is he had this inner subconscious hatred towards black people and it manifested in his actions . The fact he grew up in a pro dominantly black area with friends makes it even worse . The black culture is what’s popping and he used us for his own gain . Just own it dude

[@NicoleEmmamarie]

Preach

[@MidiArtist]

Ps he has still somehow found a way to put the blame on black people by suggesting he was threatened to do these acts by them like say he is not a whole man who can make his own decisions lol

[@PeteS_1994]

Who has he really harmed? The people he did race play on were into it. They had a kink. He hasn’t brutally attacked anyone.

[@MidiArtist]

@@PeteS_1994 alright mate

[@nikitamontanna2733]

Thank you he just lies bad

[@BurgandyMH]

8:20 he spoke on black injustice cos he like many other celebrities of other races know how easy it is to pander to black peoples to build a fanbase, support and a claim to fame by black peoples support based on his fraudulent acts like he cares and he succeeded until he got exposed. Smh

[@roidjones]

Bingo

[@iffysd9864]

Exactly pearlythings used this exact formula black people built up her channel quick

[@Laura-sg6ss]

Often coz there's a deficit of black people themselves really speaking about specific nuanced things UNLESS it is them going through it. For example, the colourism that Black women face is often not spoken about by anyone but them... and if anything they're told to shut up by other people WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, namely Black men. When ANOTHER person who is not facing that, speaks about it, it gives you confidence in their solidarity. And the same can be said for a number of different issues, that's just one example, the same can be said about classism and Black capitalists who down on the Black working class. When that deficit is there then obviously you feel like there's a community of people who see it and you support that person who is amplifying your voice that would otherwise be shut down. Isnt it sad?? When you speak to your community, it's "shut up" but when it ain't you, the people telling you to shut up have more time to listen. Happens all the time with "white allies." So we as Black people need to support each other and ensure that we deal with these internal issues and then there would be less of a fascination with other people seeing your pain because it would just be another person that also agrees with the truth and nothing out of the ordinary.

[@fa1a2ha]

Spot on, pandering was my exact thoughts of him prior to his exposure.

[@kojo9819]

Exactly, especially black women

[@jinjin8719]

I was gonna put the podcast on whilst I finish off dinner but this one here needs a seat and the kids in bed no interruptions 😅

[@ilovegot7754]

Looooooool

[@berry6467]

Murad has already exposed his true character with his terrible aggressive and manipulative apologies. The man shot himself in the foot and showed you who he really is and you STILL want to “understand”, trying to be the “understanding” one gives people like him who still makes excuses, grace and actually enables them! You can understand somebody without giving them the platform to save their image when they have just shown you who they really are and are not truly repentant or remorseful and still having a victim mentality. If you’re going to give them a platform, challenge them properly without ease and gentleness!!! All chuckie is doing is feeding into Murads agenda in saving a false image without making it uncomfortable for him and without making Murad sweat to gain our trust! Because let’s be real if his alternative lifestyle was not exposed, he would STILL be doing it. There’s no true sense of challenging dangerous people like Murad when it comes to protecting the black community. Don’t be naive. Stop allowing people to deceive and play on your curiosity in trying to “understand” someone without making them FULLY accountable. Let’s be real both Chuckie and Murad are benefitting from this content. And it’s not helping the black community at all. But enabling Murads victim mentality and image saving! Giving undeserving people opportunity to make excuses when there are far more deserving people who have done more in preserving the dignity of the black lives that should be on this! When someone shows you who they are….BELIEVE THEM!

[@pathennessey5663]

Well said

[@invalidopinion2701]

I wonder if anyone in the Jewish community is trying to do an interview with Kanye anytime soon… smh

[@arsenalTillDeath14]

Already happened…

[@MT-zm4tn]

kanye has been interviewed by lex fridman who is jewish

[@michaelandreou4996]

Great content. Chuckie is a great interviewer and the HC Pod becoming a elite podcast. The best in my opinion.

[@rexuk9103]

Its been elite for a minute now!

[@redkem80]

Big up Chuckie for doing this interview. Showing different levels to his poddin’.

[@superthejokers198]

I'm glad you brought Murad on Chuckie because I think it's important that we discuss these matters rather than brushing them under the carpet. Keep it up with the guests you're bringing in!

[@nasriarms3696]

Before this ep I had no clue of this person. What is evident is the insincerity, this is more a case of ‘feel sorry for me’ rather than an actual apology! Also, what has become clear from this sit down is that the individual has no moral compass ‘I wanted the bag’.

[@Q................]

Glad you see through it...

[@cakepudding3220]

The fact he has an answer for everything. Like he rehearsed what might be asked plus the vids were recent not time ago like he claims

[@amab3332]

Chuckie smashed this interview in so many ways. Love this POD👏👏👏👏👏

[@mojo5655]

I love the way chuckie interviews, holding people accountable and having an open mind. This is a man who enjoys doing what he does and long may it continue. Gwan King Chuckie 👏🏾👏🏾

[@SumaH]

Really love and respect the fact that Chuckie gave him the space to speak and explain his reasonings for what he did. Do I believe it will change much? It may or may not, but i just think as humans it’s important for us to give each other grace sometimes because we all fall short. I just hope he learns from this and works on his own healing.

[@mercyolagunju7485]

Amen.

[@paris2226]

Well explained I like that. 💕

[@brenjeezyug4388]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@RobSco]

1:10:19 is the greatest moment on HC Podcast ever

[@jsubz7998]

I can’t stop replaying that moment 😂😂😂

[@nothakeem]

Jesus Christ, what a moment

[@miraaa4394]

It took me all the way out 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@TrequartistaFM]

Chuckie’s face 😂😂😂

[@hawadiallo3038]

@@jsubz7998 I’m

[@earloflonsdale9639]

Chuckie 'what not' count: 14 Murad 'the bag' count: 56

[@CMJames]

😂😂😂😂

[@flaviaakello]

This is England, there’s so much support for people in vulnerable positions, especially gay people. Murad is an educated man with a degree, he could have gone and got a job. He’s a British Citizen not an illegal worker who doesn’t have access to government services. I’m not buying the I needed money saga in this wealthy country.

[@fa9183]

He's a liar. He had a middle class upbringing.

[@flaviaakello]

Let him get on a platform with a black woman, this shit wouldn’t run!

[@Rella28]

Thank you! It’s absolute bullshit

[@iamchristineverified1293]

💯

[@nicholasr39]

You can tell he's from a middle class family the way he talks, he chose to do them things and he enjoyed it, money or not he loved it. Deep dive into his Grindr account....now thats a video 😂

[@naeyah07]

not muraddddd on this platform…. chuckie?!😭😭😭

[@blase057]

What should have been asked, is if you weren’t happy to do race play and it was forced upon you by clients (or not mentioned prior to the appointment) why did you then promote it on your page? I’m sorry, he is not being genuine.

[@ithappens3370]

This guy pretends he's Arab. He's Pakistani

[@AbCd-qn9rw]

He looks Arab

[@CMJames]

Yeah, I’m confused

[@Dn-zv4gp]

Chuckie you really should have left this alone. This whole Convo is an L. He took accountability for nothing. 😂….. basically sat down with a slave master…. Did it for the bag. WTF that is not an excuse. People can do anything in this life for a bag. Where r the morals…… we need to understand we never knew the real him. He got exposed nothing has changed

[@missreem2098]

🎯

[@damilolabashorun8169]

I absolutely love and respect Chuckie for this conversation. He asked all the right questions and probed the stuff that we all had questions about, all whilst respectfully making clear that he didn’t agree with it. Great interviewing skills 👏🏾🔥

[@sentientbeingschannel6755]

But why give him a platform when we get dragged for mentioning Jews

[@beefcake3808]

@@sentientbeingschannel6755 Black people have 0 integrity. Will happily take disrespect.

[@sadesuarez2954]

@@sentientbeingschannel6755 thats on us. The jewish community wouldnt even think twice of growing a non jewish persons platform like that lol. If we had the same sense then people like Murad wouldnt have it so easy taking advantage of us. Murad reminds me of the chinese who are building China towns in Ghana whilst selling the idea that they are trying to improve Ghana for Ghanaians. Meanwhile they are doing illegal mining and arent even allowing Black people in their own (asian) spaces unless it is profitable

[@Kayz_]

Poet needed to be on this ep man. That Murad breh is weird. He lied about what ethnicity he is. Did all that weird racism kink shit. You’re a grown man and knew what you were doing. Why give this wallad a platform

[@BurgandyMH]

Big L for Chuckie. Man ran out of ideas for the pod and thought controversy. Even if against his own

[@morrisonsorder2191]

@@BurgandyMH in a way he’s showing us the different types of people in the world and it allows them to say what they want to say without backlash, this helps us see this persons point of view and chuckie gave us the opportunity to see this, stop hating u donut

[@missdime7433]

His ethnicity is arab. 🧐

[@zedz1989]

If this is the guy that was getting filmed doing a madness at Dubai, it’s best poet wasn’t there he probably would of taken the piss out of him lol

[@justdoit.86yearsago]

@@GHermano41 he’s Jamaican, what do you expect.

[@missmaverick3477]

I don’t understand. The bigger question is “ why did those BLACK MEN!! Also pay for these racially charged kinks??”

[@Laura-sg6ss]

I HEAR IT

[@nainataylor9196]

LOUDER

[@nofapobama]

Fetish is usually an outlet to channel bottled up trauma...it's those that capitalise on the traumatised you should be looking at.

[@messidon7861]

Because they have a kink. I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand

[@GamerGarden]

@@messidon7861 just wants to blame black men as per usual

[@TheMusicmakesmehigh]

Murad using a black platform for his redemption is unsurprising. Chuckie also is missing a lot of context here and it’s frustrating he’s participating in this

[@ayo9715]

Could you elaborate a little with an example? I was less to believe part of the context is him purposely targeting content towards black women and his main market thus profiting off Black people. Was this your understanding, and was there anything else?

[@nk7925]

Why ? We’re adults, you should be able to have difficult conversations

[@mrmrmarcus6969]

I do not believe in cancel culture. We all do 'wrong' in our lives and after seeing the error of your ways you should be forgiven and allowed to continue with your life. With Murad, I didn't really know who he was until I saw him trending on Twitter. I looked at his KZbin and he makes a living by 'dragging' any 'reality star/celeb' who may have said something 'controversial'. He used to love seeing the downfall of various people who had slipped up. Now that it's being done to him, I only hope he's going to be easy on those who make mistakes in future. As for his private life. I don't care what anyone does as long as it's between consenting adults.

[@mercyolagunju7485]

Agreed

[@dlc888]

Great comment!!! Sadly in a way irrespective of the context the reaction is essentially what he perpetuated on his channel and profited off, so ultimately I hope he does come back as I am still subscribed and is able to forgo those behaviours as he now knows how it feels. Agree with all points!

[@McSliksOnline]

I fully agree with this.

[@abayomiusi7744]

Well Murad has believed in it for the past 5 years

[@mrmrmarcus6969]

@@abayomiusi7744 Yep

[@user-cn1em2qx6f]

i don’t think he is racist. he is a weirdo though

[@user-e2023]

Chuckie clocked his BS at 45:00 mins in.

[@ljb5741]

The..."I beg your pardon" ruined me at such a serious topic 🤣

[@scruffyo4460]

He’s definitely lying about SOME details at least. The video clips that exposed him are not that old, they were from only like two years or so ago, so he can miss me with the whole ‘I was a teen much younger’ bull. Also the guys in the clips were blatantly not old men, they appeared young. And how/why is a submissive customer gonna try dominate the Arab MASTER boy? lol so many holes in his stories. Oh and don’t get me started on the whole fake “Arab” crap, he’s about as Arab as Donald Trump! Blatantly fully Pakistani but he knows he’d get more money cosplaying as Arab. Culturally appropriating as well as being blatantly racist. All for money, while he made virtue signalling KZbin videos calling people out for doing a lot LESS. Total hypocrite!

[@rahmanoor6392]

I was waiting for someone to call him out about his lies about being Arab Arab my ass he’s Asian !

[@scruffyo4460]

@@rahmanoor6392 me too. But he just keeps carrying on glossing over his lies and deflecting from every issue as usual. The man is a joke! Anyone with a brain, eyes and ears can see through him 😂

[@AbCd-qn9rw]

What's blatantly Pakistani because most Arabs are brown and look indian

[@rahmanoor6392]

@@AbCd-qn9rw I can tell an Asian from an Arab real easy and Murad is not Arab

[@zoesway5036]

I can see people in the comments wishing poet was here and that chuckie was “too nice”…. Chuckie did an amazing job interviewing… as an interviewee you must be able to objectively ask challenging questions without the other person feeling threatened, attacked or targeted. That’s because they don’t have to answer your questions ultimately. They must feel comfortable enough to express themselves and chuckie sets the right tone and environment every time, as well as playing devils advocate 👏🏾👏🏾

[@siennaa6140]

I can’t imagine Murad speaking this freely with anyone than Chuckie, becuase let’s be real his apology video was not sincere . Do I believe Murad? Probably not; but the fact he’s been given a space to speak by Chuckie is quite interesting. For someone who used to watch Murad, I can’t see him the same way anymore but I’m sure others would disagree and I respect everyone’s choice. Regardless I enjoy this podcast!

[@dlc888]

I agree, as someone who watches both I didn't anticipate this happening but im glad it did for the points you raised. I respect people who can't see passed his "justification" because its a fine line to establish. Ive stayed subscribed because I really want to believe him, but do I believe him 100% no. I think I just feel sorry for him if im being honest, I dont know if he can come back from this

[@grizzo4513]

He still ain’t being 100% honest. When will he learn

[@joyvdd]

It's very fascinating to watch someone weave, twist, and shape-shift their way out of answering direct questions in the way that Murad does. Deflection Champion.

[@hithere5768]

An hour of him saying he needed the money

[@MattyWilliamsdaswaggadon]

Really good questions from Chuckie, Murad seems disingenuous

[@sniperoutnow9752]

Out of all the great black people you couldve given a platform to you give it to this guy 😂

[@purplebeanie354]

This is the only ever time I've wanted Poet on the pod

[@rexuk9103]

Loooooooooool facts

[@kimy4547]

Never ran so fast in my life

[@Laura-sg6ss]

You have Lactic Acid built up in them thumbs rn ik😭

[@missmaverick3477]

As in I teleported

[@jojo-xw7wx]

Bro , I actually ran

[@kimy4547]

@@Laura-sg6ss right😭

[@kimy4547]

@@missmaverick3477 🤣🤣🤣

[@Greengyal]

Omg of all people I didn't expect Chuckie to platform this Bredda

[@Ahyoka888]

It’s weird because he really didn’t have to. There’s nothing to hear or gain from here

[@kevindavis4585]

Great episode, great job Chuckie and props to this guy, I'm in America so I'm not sure who he is but I wish him well

[@RudyRudes18]

I think this was a good interview, I pray anyone that is stuck in this dark perverted industry find a way out and those who was abused mentally, physically, emotionally find peace and a voice to no longer be bond to it. Amen🙏🏾

[@jayben1111]

The way he changed up when he realised it was filming

[@TOOSLIMEY]

Chuckie made sure to wear boots this day

[@SummerTyme2023]

Looooool stop😂😂😂

[@retroSTAAR]

Why does he keep referring to himself as Arab? He’s Asian . Just because you lived or had family in an Arab country doesn’t make you Arab

[@SalmaBegumPlaylist]

😂😂😂

[@thefamilypodcast9556]

Never heard of this guy but he doesn’t possess a shred of accountability. Chuckie handled this pod like the professional he is 👏🏿

[@afiyahinds1530]

Chuckie you did a great job conducting this Interview with Murad. Loads of comments saying Poet should’ve been involved but at this point I’m sure y’all know what works and doesn’t work for your podcast. Poet would’ve intimidated Murad because of how he voices his opinions resulting in him not being able to answer and likely cutting the interview short. As someone who’s watched Murad for years, even though I can’t relate to him in any way, I can see how this happened from a psychological point of view. Trauma & abuse doesn’t always have to made sense, sometimes it just is what it is & I guess unless you’ve been in his shoes, you’re not meant to understand fully for you to agree or disagree with his choices. He can only take so much accountability for something that men from our OWN community paid him for. Supply and demand at its finest in both regards (the race play kinks + him speaking on & bringing awareness to issues within our community). So it would be interesting to see the perspective of someone who has race play kinks & why we as a race give allys more of a platform than we do our own people. Honestly I wish him all the best in his healing process because regardless of how anyone feels, he’s been transparent about his horrendous experiences growing up & that he lost his moral compass in effort to have a better life. Only thing I would say is if he is smart, he will no longer make content based on our community & will stick to pop culture because honestly most of his subscribers watch him for entertainment more than everything! I say all that to say, only God can condemn/judge him so let’s not take it upon ourselves & mind the business that pays us. Definitely an interview that was needed

[@mercyolagunju7485]

This comment!!!👏🏾

[@thec5875]

lol black women lets not simp for those who attack/target us.

[@afiyahinds1530]

@@thec5875 simp?🤕😅 hardly. Just thinking objectively & looking at the bigger picture. Nowhere in that paragraph did I say what he did or said was ok.. however there’s clearly a big community of black men who will pay thousands to be racially abused (in an already racist world?!) so even though Murad’s situation is kinda unique & ironic because of his KZbin content, please believe there are thousands of supply just like him from all other races for a demand from our OWN! That’s the real issue whether or not you choose to turn a blind eye and stay fixated on the bi-product of the issue 😋🫶🏾 because where else do you go from here once we’ve already established he was wrong and for getting lost in the sauce for money? Because it’s as simple as that. We all know people will do a madness for money.. he didn’t even need to add in the extra explanations because realistically money is the the root of all evil.. we know this. When we as a people are ready to have those hard convos with eachother about the ROOT of self hate, we will be way way better off & won’t idolise allys 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@a.y1623]

Don't think poet wanted to breathe the same air as this dirty guy

[@oldskool2pacmorris668]

He said do u know STREATHAM ………..😳✌🏽

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

Not sorry but having Murad on here is a massive howler. He couldn't even apologise for being racist when he had the opportunity to originally. So why should he be forgiven???

[@semionwalker4]

And not once did this guy apologise to the black community, especially black women, for exploiting them and their traumas for financial gain. Not once. He shows a lot more remorse to the same community who doesn't want anything to do with him because of his sexuality and the kinks he's into. It's funny how he's saying that the majority of his subscribers were black... and Asian. That made me laugh. I'm not saying that a few Asian people didn't support him but he needs to be serious. The majority of people who supported him and propelled his channel were black people. Get real Murad. It's the black community you owe an apology to but it's clear you don't care. As you keep reminding us, all you care about is the bag 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@fa9183]

Bm tried to warn yall about murad. Don't say black community say Bw.

[@Nia-zs9vv]

Girl he's back on YT trying to act like nothing's happened. His supporters are just as weird & mentally ill as he is.

[@AshOrAshes_]

Why are you giving him a platform?! He is vile and trying to manipulate people won’t justify his heinous actions.

[@idolentr1263]

Great interview from Chuckie. Think the only person in our scene that can or willing to do something like this, big up again and keep growing. P.S. name the pod lol

[@SuperWinter88]

Good show, very interesting. I’ll keep my opinion of your guest to myself. Therapy is the best thing for him and I hope he has the right therapist!

[@sheeats4019]

My question is, would he give audience and platform to someone if the shoe was on the other foot?

[@shanaahad9775]

I actually think he would because that was a part of what he did on KZbin.

[@leishaijaz7806]

All I heard was “doing it for the bag” … If he was already being abused which traumatised him soo much then why would he go back into that sort of of industry to make “the bag”….

[@hanaomar5107]

The question that should have been asked is if he was under violence and pressure to say these racial slurs then why did he voluntarily upload them on his website? Would that not encourage other people to demand the same racial play?

[@ellaakinyi2834]

People really don’t understand Sexual trauma . It is the highest form of trauma and the hardest to get over even with extensive therapy. A child’s brain response to such abuse is so severe that certain character traits are impossible to get rid of . Honestly this generation acts like everyone has the same rosy trauma free background. 18-19years is a very young age!!!

[@fadalerabrasool3563]

I honestly disagree. simply because Murad is trying to use his trauma as a rape victim as an excuse to justify fetishizing racial slurs and being a two faced liar. Murad had gotten on other youtubers for BS'ing in their apology videos when hes out here doing the same thing.

[@cakepudding3220]

He did the videos in 2019 though. Explain away that

[@ellaakinyi2834]

@@cakepudding3220 what I am trying to say is multiple research has drawn a direct link between early sexual trauma and sex work. It doesn’t matter the age . When you are in an environment that is so vulnerable and dangerous as sex work, lines do not exist . For some people there is even a dissociation between that life and real life .

[@Lamebred.]

This little worm man, new love island soon init?... trying to wiggle his way out of it.

[@saffyshubobo8180]

I hate how he’s using religion and ‘where he’s from’ as a scapegoat for his madness.

[@kanthony9154]

Disgusting fr

[@ariesgirl6745]

Frrrr always saying “where I’m from” like stfu u creep

[@SalmaBegumPlaylist]

Fr Islam does not stand for racism. He is just tapped. Making us Muslims look horrible

[@windz643]

Murad’s face after Chuckie said that kick was crazy 😂

[@cakepudding3220]

Time stamp please😂

[@windz643]

@@cakepudding3220 1:10:53

[@cakepudding3220]

@@windz643 Thank you x

[@cakepudding3220]

@@windz643 The fact the Murad had an excuse for it too blaming it on the clients 😂🤣

[@Arsenalfan4ever]

Brother why are you even engaging with this individual????? We as a community need to stop allowing these culture vultures to infiltrate our culture. He’s not sorry only trying to safeguard his future

[@realityteamtv]

I usually don't comment on these type of conversations. But something tells me this guy knew exactly what he was doing and now he's just making up a lot of bullshit to save himself. I don't believe anything he says, being homeless and needing a job. ... whatever!!!!!!

[@layladot7431]

I hate how his putting it on the religion or the culture !! He’s just gutted he got caught !

[@kxmane_]

ive never been so shocked to see someone on that couch

[@CutiePie-cb8wx]

I think he’s talking more about religion and less about the actual matter,I don’t believe in cancel culture but I’m not sure if everything really been covered on his part. I think chuckie asked great questions