A Look at the 2FR

Take a ride in one of our 2FRs and see some of the options and accessories currently available from Organic Transit!

[@solarstacks]

I love the mag wheels on this one. Mine has bike spoke rims. I've had it 3 years and have the most fun riding it around town.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

I have always loved the ELF, been watching it for years now. Price went up 1k$!!. Was hoping it was going to go down so I could afford one. You guys need to team up with Elon Musk or Manoj Bhargava and knock down that price - these things should be coming off an assembly line by now at 100 a day and selling for 2500$. Anyone driven one of these for a whole harsh Canadian winter on the highly destructive salt laden roads! Just wondering if Canadians or cold northern states owners only use them for 3 seasons because of the salt? I hope your business is doing well and continues so. Cheers, Patrick

[@omarglobal]

My dream vehicle.

[@popeyegordon]

Nicely narrated video. I didn't realize the front rack held two batteries.

[@jamersonfranca8936]

Quero comprar um desse para mim

[@screamiingbutterfly]

Any door options? Doors would allow one to ride it in the winter.

[@kakaoliveira1124]

I love organic transit!!!

[@gopalkrishna7364]

Superrrr.awesome product.

[@QuantityEngineers]

Drive to work, park in the sun, drive home for free after 8 hours.

[@OTvehicles]

+QuantityEngineers That's what many of our ELF owners do! And if it's cloudy outside, just bring the battery in to work with you and charge it with any standard wall outlet. Easy.

[@holtzroger]

Organic Transit $$$$$??????

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

@@holtzroger www.elfebikeconnection.com/

[@kyleyoung8707]

Didn't show the rear seat!

[@junocomm]

I want to get an elf. I like the 2fr. being that I'm 4'8" it would probably have to be customized to fit my height. also with Cleveland winters I would want a set of studded tires, extra batteries and doors. That would put the cost in the ten thousand dollar range. That's a little less the cost of a regular car. personally I would rather have an elf and not have to buy gas. Ever. Any chance that you guys at Organic Transit will lower the price? I remember when they first came out they were around 5000. I'm sure they would fly off the shelves if they were more affordable.

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

you can get them used for $5000 or less www.elfebikeconnection.com/

[@popeyegordon]

@@nhannguyen-sr9vh Stop promoting this greedy dealer who charges high fees just to find you one when you can do it yourself.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon bloody hell man you really must sniff a lot of farts, maybe not even your own

[@twoeightythreez]

I want one. It needs provisions for a child seat.... And for that price it would be nice to have an actual dashboard that integrated a tablet and an integrated audio system rather than a stick on bluetooth speaker? This thing costs almost as much as a car, it should have some carlike features. see your gauges without having to squint at a phone screen. Otherwise i really like it, would be perfect for my 9 mile work commute :) Oh yeah hate to beat a dead horse but you guys should provide in house financing since its so expensive. I understand that it will save you tons of money compared to a car but not in my case, I just bought a new car and will still use the car for road trips. This will be for commuting so my car can be the last car i ever buy.

[@john9972]

Twoeightythreez you sound like an," All about me kind of guy". If you get one you had better get a two seater or else you might have to pedal.

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

www.elfebikeconnection.com/ sells them used

[@popeyegordon]

@@nhannguyen-sr9vh AnyoneCanBike.com sells the ELF with no commission fee.

[@user-du1jb9pz8m]

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[@lindagray8956]

I would like to buy one of these. How?

[@EdHotchkin]

On these kind of transmissions, do you have to be peddling to shift. I ride a Terra Trike with a hub, and I can shift in stationery position, and I would miss that, now that I have it.

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

no you do not have to pedal to change "gears" on the gearless hub

[@popeyegordon]

There were 3 hub options - 3 or 8 speed internal shifters or the NuVinci.

[@aarshon]

honestly i just love your concept and this bike .personally am very environment Friendly person i would even like to work with you and am wondering do you any plan to make a electic vehicle in future which is good for atleast four adults

[@leonidablue3965]

Love this been looking for something like this for along time ever since I was coming home from my sons grandparents house an we got caught in the rain he was protected cause he was in the stroller so it has the plastic covering but I was super wet 😢😂 this is better the pushing a stroller we both can be comfortable my only thing is the price an so my husband isn’t going to buy us one cute he says we could just buy a used car for that kind of money so I was winding do you think you will lower the price any time soon?

[@HigimuraStudios]

I currently live in Victoria, Australia and I'm very interested in the ELF. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get one as I'm unclear if whether the elf meets the laws in Victoria. ( www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclist-safety/power-assisted-bicycles ) What is the maximum power output of the ELF?

[@OTvehicles]

+The Hidden Village of Art We can gear back the motor to meet the 250W requirement! Give us a call! We've shipped a couple to Australia in the past!

[@oscarlagable]

+Organic Transit You shipped to Australia??? How? Just in one-piece block?

[@popeyegordon]

A small steel shipping container holds four ELFs. It costs exactly the same to ship one ELf as four. Get three friends together.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@OTvehicles do you sell a rolling frame version with no electronics (would be a lot cheaper if I can use my own battery and motor)

[@popeyegordon]

@@mwbgaming28 What? Suddenly the ELF is no longer a piece of shit, according to you? You get what you pay for. You are not smarter than the Porsche racing team engineer and the man who worked on the land speed record for human powered vehicles who designed the ELF for maximum performance. Literally hundreds of bike trolls boast how they can make a better design but not one has actually achieved this after making their claims for 8 years here at KZbin. Look at all the videos of prototypes that never went to production.

[@pdelmercado]

Can the windshield be tinted? Can doors (at least half doors) be ordered with it? What is the theft rate of elf vehicles, and how can it be prevented? Thank you

[@popeyegordon]

Patricia -yes I tinted my windshield brow and side and rear windows with vinyl cling tint. It works well. Both half and full doors are options but few owners want them, it gets too hot and the windows fog because you are exercising in that small space. Only two have been stolen out of 1000 that I am aware of. One was recovered, the one not recovered was not locked. Remember there is a removable motor key.

[@luzvillalvazo6214]

My question is do you guys have payment arrangments.so i can afford one?

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

they are out of business , but you can buy used ones here: www.elfebikeconnection.com/

[@popeyegordon]

@@nhannguyen-sr9vh That site charges large commission fees. This site lists them free: AnyoneCanBike.com

[@popeyegordon]

OT has a new owner now. Expect a new model by the end of 2022.

[@N2264J]

Does pumping the pedals trickle charge the battery? If not, why not? Weight? Expense? Both?

[@popeyegordon]

Regenerative braking on vehicles this light is just a marketing ploy. They do not have enough kinetic energy to make regeneration useful, most of the energy is wasted as friction and resistance. If you mean trying to charge the battery by pedaling, not practical. A human barely puts out 100 watts so after energy loss in friction and circuitry and internal battery resistance there is hardly anything left. Also, the type of motor that can give regenerative power is a less efficient design. A solar panel on the roof is effortless.

[@N2264J]

@@popeyegordon Thanks for the input.

[@mrlancesworld1]

Let me know when the price drops they are way to expensive. The pebl is too but it's got a lot more options.

[@popeyegordon]

The PEBL is 40 pounds too heavy, it won't climb hills. You get creature comforts of a car but no performance. Every ounce of that wood dashboard, carpet liner and gas shock trunk lid has to be pedaled up hills.

[@popeyegordon]

The PEBL weight has risen to be 70 pounds more than the ELF and there is NO warranty of any kind with it. Elf gives a one year warranty. New 2020 price for PEBL is $12,000 with no solar roof!

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon performance can be fixed by installing a more powerful motor And the tiny solar panel you include is not really going to charge shit

[@popeyegordon]

@@mwbgaming28 No. That is not legal in the USA. Federal law limits power to 750 watts. To prove just how wrong you are, PEBL factory shut down and outsourced to Germany last year. My 100 watt panel provides 100% of my charging needs daily in Florida. I often return home with almost a full charge as it charges all day long. You are a hateful sick liar troll who has been attacking these designs with lies for years. You don't know the first thing about sustainable transportation. Many of your attacks have been removed by channel owners.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon I never said it's a bad idea, I have always said it is TOO EXPENSIVE for what little you get (PEBL is objectively a better vehicle in every way, and despite being more expensive, the PEBL is better value than the ELF) as for power, you are not going to power a 750w motor with a 100w panel unless you spend most of the day parked, in addition, there's no AC, no heat, the cabin is open at the bottom which means water will get inside if you ride in the rain If you insist on keeping the same price > use a bigger panel (around the 150-200w range) > Seal the cabin with vents that can be opened > Use off the shelf parts for cheaper manufacturing > Source your batteries from Japan like everyone else (about half the price, and better quality than US made cells) > Replace the flimsy clear plastic wrap with Perspex or polycarbonate > Add a dashboard with instruments (battery charge, speedometer, battery/motor/BMS temperature ,power flow indicator.etc) > Add a heater core for winter use, and an AC unit for summer (a radiator submerged in ice water will work fine) > Increase the battery capacity to power these extras > Add gears to the powertrain if you insist on staying at 750w, then you can climb hills with the extra weight Maybe then it will be worth the asking price

[@patrickjensen6688]

Can the Amish use these

[@lurann]

I so need something like these is there opshions to do payment plans ? allso how do you lock it up so no one can steal it ??

[@popeyegordon]

All bicycle security practices apply. The motor key removes. It is easy to find a pole or end of a bike rack to lock to. You can also lock the brake rotor. Theft has not proven to be a huge problem but it can be insured. This is a 160 pound vehicle that is so large it won't fit in a standard van. Kids can't hide it in the bushes and it is very conspicuous and unique.

[@lurann]

Ahhh thank u @@popeyegordon

[@lurann]

@@popeyegordon im wundering is there paymet plans for the elf i love to buy one just need playmet plans like cars have kind of thing

[@popeyegordon]

@@lurann There is a bank on the town where the ELF is built that offers financing. The company is too small for that. Used ELFs are found on Ebay or other web listings starting at around $3,500.

[@lurann]

@@popeyegordon Thank you so much your knowalge a big help ill cheek out ebay agin I tryed there before never found ahh thank u

[@divizeshredder1905]

What’s the name of the app

[@Amarameme-ys1of]

Yogja city this 's name is becak: for passenger publik with engine or kick power

[@naveenkumar-df6fx]

can you send me the motor specifications

[@popeyegordon]

Hire your own engineer.

[@luciaulloa]

Popeye Gordon Im assuming you are directly connected to the company because you comment on all the videos related to it. could you be more nasty though? Remember that part of owning and keeping a business running is customer service.

[@popeyegordon]

It is the fact that I can be nasty when appropriate that should clue you in to the fact that no employee would ever make comments like mine. I am a very enthusiastic owner of the ELF for 29 months now. As an environmentalist I am battling bad habits like stealing more than our fair share of resources from future generations. Kicking your car addiction and going solar/human power is key to reducing AGW. If you read enough of my comments you will find the statement from an Organic Transit representative that categorically denies any company connection with me other than a sales receipt for ELF serial number 282.

[@luciaulloa]

Popeye Gordon that's fine. My comment still stands. There is no need to be nasty to other people. You cannot possibly assume to know everything from one comment a person posts. So if they ask for a discount, perhaps they cannot afford it. Maybe they have some background in engineering and know the prices could be lower. Good for you that you were able to afford the high pricetag for one of these. Everyone is not financially able to afford that pricetag. However, that doesn't mean they don't also want to help the planet and make a difference. I personally feel like you come off as offensive when defending this company and their product. Which is a hindrance to them and also a put off to anyone who would probably be willing to hear what you have to say. Either way, it's your perogative. My point is that the golden rule stands whether in person or on the internet.

[@popeyegordon]

No this guy deserves the slap. He went to over ten different ELF videos requesting motor specifications for likely his own copy of the design. He made no other inquiries, comments or compliments about the vehicle like actual curious admirers do. I have his number and you missed it.

[@EdHotchkin]

I wish it were more common to mount your fuselage, with all the features for traffic mixture, onto a trike already invested in. Why not If it's a trike with the same wheel configuration?

[@nhannguyen-sr9vh]

elf is much longer than a typical trike to make room for the back seat/storage. but I do agree with your basic idea.

[@popeyegordon]

When you look at the fit requirements, the wheel wells must match the wheel placements. The ELF uses a seat recline angle that is ideal, many trikes have a seat angle not suitable. The ELF has a 550 pound payload capacity.

[@mwbgaming28]

They do it so you have to pay their absurd prices

[@popeyegordon]

@@mwbgaming28 Fukc off troll.

[@SANA-gl2wo]

How much does it cost

[@popeyegordon]

$7000

[@kuyaalvsbaguio810]

How much? I want to buy.

[@popeyegordon]

You can't afford it.

[@oscarlagable]

hi! how would you ship it to north México?

[@popeyegordon]

Contact OrganicTransit.com

[@hugogiupponi9618]

Mientras tanto en argentina ...nada los hibridos a pedales PROHIBIDOS por el bien de nuestro amado smog

[@ludwigvanosselaer4179]

Are there also doors available?

[@popeyegordon]

Yes but most of us do not want them. We exercise in this small space. We need maximum ventilation. In rain, maybe our elbows get wet. No big deal.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon why would you pedal it if it has a motor? (Apart from of you have a dead battery)

[@popeyegordon]

@@mwbgaming28 Exercise, asshole. We all need exercise but no car offers it. This is a street legal design, the over powered bike you claim to have is illegal on US roads and bike paths. The whole point of e-bikes is that you *do not* show up at work needing a shower! Just the effort level we use to walk is enough to assist the power.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon oh yes, so I can go to work smelling like I haven't showered in a week, that's a great way to climb the corporate ladder I'll keep riding my 3000w dual motor ebike that can easily achieve speeds of 80kph, and maintain it for 50km range

Those are nice, but how do you keep it from getting stolen?

[@popeyegordon]

That is not an issue. All bike security practices apply and the motor key removes. The ELF is too large for bike thieves, it needs a flat bed truck to haul it. Only two have been stolen in 6 years, out of 1000 sold. One was recovered.

[@user-qc4ib8hf6e]

Яка ціна.

[@Ennard01]

are these in Germany allowed?

[@popeyegordon]

Do your own research.

[@Ennard01]

@@popeyegordon no

[@popeyegordon]

@@Ennard01 Organic Transit warns all potential buyers to do their research about the legality of operating the ELF in their location before they buy one. It is your responsibility.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon could you be any more of a douchebag?

[@popeyegordon]

@@mwbgaming28 Fuck off toll shit bag. All readers here can plainly see I just posted a simple fact that any shopper will see on the OT website.

[@marcosouza_2348]

Gostei do carrinho 👍

[@junocomm]

Also I have yet to see one in Cleveland and I would love to have one here by the Republican Convention so I could show it's environmental friendliness off and impress loads of people in politics with money.

[@popeyegordon]

There are 800 in the US but that is not yet enough to see a presence in every city. Buy one. Be the change you want to see.

[@ernestmachpro3341]

Your logo is the same as the Spanish sect Opus Dei, do you know it?

[@popeyegordon]

No, the trademark has been registered as unique. None other is exactly like it.

[@RenFlow593]

Donde lo puedo comprar 🔥🤩 hacen envíos a ecuador...

[@user-uw1gt9rc8v]

Здравствуйте поставьте пожалуйста геолокацыю спасибо большое всем здоровья!!!

[@patrickjensen6688]

Needs 4 inch tires

[@myperspective5091]

The layout of the chassis design is clever , especially the steering setup. The front of the body looks ok too. To bad that the rest of the body from the front wheels back looks ugly. Mostly , I don’t like the cut off the doors. I think making it look something like a short bed pick would look nice.

[@popeyegordon]

Your perspective is odd and it sounds like you are not a biker. We could care less about looks. This is for sustainable living, not fashion. Although the real fashion statement today is stopping our abuse of personal cars. If you actually tried one you would immediately understand why it has to be open for ventilation. We exercise in this small space and few owners want the optional doors. The windows will fog up. We tow a trailer if we need pickup versatility.

[@myperspective5091]

@@popeyegordon At least the Elf looks more refined and better looking than the Pebl, which another KZbinr suggested to me. You are wrong on the first account. I am a cyclist, but not a trike rider. I have owned nine different bikes over the years. Most of those bikes were secondhand bikes. I also gave most of those bikes to other peoples as gifts so they too can get in the cycling. I have been bicycle commuter for the past 28 years. I’m 46 and I’ve never even had a car license. The reason I looked at this videos was because my cycling habits have changed recently. I was mostly a daily commuter cyclist and a weekend hobby long distance tour cyclist. I did a couple of group rides like the STP the STV over there in Seattle Washington. Recently I moved out of the city to a smaller town in western Maryland where things are a little bit more farther apart. The area is still cycle friendly. I have recently been getting a little burned out on peddling so I thought about switching to electric. I have always been interested in recumbents. So, I thought now might be a good time to look into maybe getting an electric assist recumbent as a daily commuter.

[@popeyegordon]

@@myperspective5091 The ELF was designed for strength with light weight, not for looks. It has been wind tunnel tested to prove that it offers the same amount of drag as a rider on a bike with no fairings while being capable of taking a passenger or a 550 pound payload. It is the SUV of velomobiles and is not for fast biking. There are other designs for that but this one is far safer in traffic. It is proven with over 5 million road miles covered including trips up to 43,000 miles long. It is the ultimate commuter or just a great grocery hauler. It replaced my car 6 years ago.

[@nonegone7170]

@@popeyegordon So why aren't velomobiles a foggy mess according to your logic then?

[@popeyegordon]

@@nonegone7170 They ARE a foggy mess when it is cold or when the humidity is high enough. This is physics more than logic. Think about it - our breath is very humid and plentiful while exercising, plus the sweat. Unless there is a good fan for defogging it will fog up. Even with my open sides I have had fogging at night in humid weather in Florida. I have a fan for that. The ELF was my only transportation for 7 years. I'm sure you have climbed in a car after walking through rain and had all the windows fog quickly and there you are not panting hard and sweating a lot. Only the newest cars have the AC setting to dehumidify as well as move the air.

[@jiyarulakan7825]

In India have available this cycle

[@gopalkrishna7364]

@DJRICKYDEEUK anyone will bow infront of Indians for money

[@parameepromjan1124]

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[@abracadabra2395]

I live in Philly. Those batteries would be stolen the first night I parked it, even if I locked the actual bike well enough that the bike itself wasn't stolen. I want one of these so badly, but they're completely impractical for city life. 🙁

[@popeyegordon]

There has been no reported issue with battery theft. The battery cage locks. They are used mostly for city life. With 1000 sold only 5 thefts have been reported in 7 years, most were recovered. If you live in a shit hole, move.

[@bobamericana3099]

there are some decent concepts but the body is a little too wide. also, there is no real environmental protection for the occupants -open floor and sides. then there is the whole lack of security. vinyl back window is just begging to be ripped open.... if the market is some liberal college town where there is no crime (this place does not exist) then this trike would be OK....but in the real world, this thing is just begging to be violated...the term "gone in 60 seconds " comes to mind regarding the battery pack and assorted tech mounted on the handle bars. I have made my own delta style recumbent trike. fully enclosed, heat ex-changer ,radio, 750 watt 36volt motor and 20 amp hours of battery. my entire build cost me 800 bucks...now that the 1st is done and refined i can duplicate it for 800 bucks and 12 man hours of labor....what would elf charge for my trike ? 4,000 dollars ?

[@popeyegordon]

Sorry, you are mistaken. As I am in my fifth year with the ELF as a car replacement I see all these misguided unrealistic posts a lot and I know they are wrong. The large volume body is to allow a large cargo capacity or passengers. You can spend the same on a claustrophobic bullet shaped velomobile with no cargo room, solar or motor. ELF is the SUV of velomobiles with its 550 pound payload capacity. The roof, shell and windshield offer ample protection from the elements. I stay dry in rain, a fantastic feature. The rear window is polycarbonate and there is no reason to lock it, it opens to access the locking trunk. The only 'tech' on handlebars is a hard wired sensor for power use and speedometer, OR a smart phone you will always take with you. The battery locks in place. All bicycle security methods apply and the motor key removes, There is NO THEFT PROBLEM - this is way too big and unique to appeal to bike thieves. Only two have been stolen, out of 1000, in 6 years. One was recovered.

[@popeyegordon]

Your home made trike is fine, just don't compare it to the value the ELF offers. You have low visibility. We have the full DOT lighting package, a loud horn, weather protection, room for 30 bags of groceries, solar charging and full 360 degree impact protection.

[@bobamericana3099]

@@popeyegordon i have a cargo capasity of 400 pounds..that is just the rear 5/8" bearing rating...this does not include the front fork rating.I was told by the axle maker that the shear point rating for the axle is 68,000 pounds. regarding climate control, i have a 15 quart igloo cooler that i place 1/2 galleon of water and 3 32oz bottles with frozen water ..i have a aquarium pump that feeds a radiator equipped with a 8" fan. this contraption allows 47 degree air at 240 cubic feet per minute..hole assembly is 12volts and draws .2 amps . regarding lighting, i have 2 motorcycle head lights that were designed for early 80s KZ 550-750 models..i have in them led lights that are rated for 550 lumans each. i also have generic led lights on the side and rear ( these i purchased from a commercial truck parts sight). my roof is 56" tall from the ground. my interior width is 33 inches. in mined you resemble more of sitting in a low beach chair..the bottom of the seat is 11 inches above the floor board. regarding a passenger, WHY ? i have a trunk that tapers 45 degrees downwards from the roof and the taper starts 12 inches behind the seat. the bottom length is 36 inches. i could put a seat there if i wished and have a passenger in tandom but that is not why i made this trike. i made it for me. a solo commuter. I just ordered a new front wheel drive motor for my ride as i am upgrading to a 1000 watt 48 volt system...based on my 280 watt power comsumption at 23 miles per hour it will not be much of a difference...florida is flat land. oh ya, i have a complete sound system with a 8" bazooka woofer... amazed coworkers for me to pull up with ac blasting and dance music blaring..just to make a point. so basically, you sneered at me and condescended with a lot off asshat assumptions...well now it is my turn... you arrogant fucks go spend thousands upon thousands of dollars for items that cost mere hundreds...then you sneer at others who see's the highway robbery ass fucking you took from the sales department and we opt out. we in -turn decide to take a weekend and build our own... you might be good at your job but you are a fucking idiot in real life... kiss my cock !

[@popeyegordon]

@@bobamericana3099 A 1000 watt motor is not legal on US roads or trails without licence and insurance. You are planning to break the law and bragging about it. Why not add a beer fridge and use a 1500 watt motor?

[@bobamericana3099]

hey dumbass- that is the rating for the motor..which means when restricted to 750..it will NEVER exceed capacity ...you morons really need to crack a book on the subject...

[@amolnarawade7239]

Google Tata motors old logo (jaguar/land rover owner ). You will find what you have done .

[@popeyegordon]

Wrong. The trademark was registered first. Many trademarks look similar but none are ever identical if they pass the registration process.

[@bennybluee3658]

is good they asking $8,000 almost a car pls low price

[@popeyegordon]

Base price is actually $8,950, I don't know where you heard it was 8k. The ELF is expensive to build with US parts and materials in a US factory, the price will continue to rise. A competing vehicle sells for the same price with less performance, no solar and no warranty. REMINDER OF THE BLATANTLY OBVIOUS: Even if you are given a car absolutely free with all taxes paid, that car always costs you between 3 and 5 thousand dollars a year, every year on average. In 10 years of driving a free car, you spend 30 to 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS depending on the age if it when you got it. In that same 10 year period your total costs of owning and driving an ELF is $3000 or 1/10th as much, plus ten years of cardio exercise you never get while driving any car. That includes two battery replacements and routine bicycle maintenance. No mandatory car insurance, fuel, expensive oil changes or timing belt changes, and wear item replacements like wiper blades or light bulbs, no potential disaster of a $5000 motor or $3000 transmission to replace, no license or tag fees, no driver license, no pollution that affects the health of all humans, much less tire and brake dust into the environment, zero carbon emissions, no road kills at a sensible 20 MPH, no parking fees, no speeding tickets are possible either. You save the cost of a gym membership and greatly reduce the possible need for a $90,000 coronary bypass as well. So, no, the world's fanciest bike is in fact an extreme bargain that quickly pays for itself and lets you save for retirement instead of paying mechanics and insurance and fuel costs.

[@moarsaur]

I would love to see these cheaper, too, but they're right on par with custom bikes with remotely similar components. It's not a super compact car, but a Rolls Royce bicycle, and really priced about right either way you look at it.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon $5k per year for maintenance and operating costs? Maybe if you drive a BMW or an AUDI My car (3.8L V6 Holden VX Commodore) costs about $400 per year to register, around $80 per month to refuel, $40 per month to insure, and last year's maintenance bill was around $800 $2640 is not $5k (And that's in Australian dollars, so it would be even less when converted to US dollars)

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon $90k coronary bypass you say, *laughs in universal healthcare*

[@popeyegordon]

@@mwbgaming28 You are a fucking lying asshole. Cars cost thousands every year for insurance and maintenance. The ELF has no $5000 engine or $3000 transmission to blow up and they offer no vital exercise. The AAA says the current cost of driving a new car every years is over $8,500 annually. Today the base price of the PEBL is $12,000. My habit of driving old cars saved me $3000/yr when I stopped - $18,000 savings in 6 years and my heart stays healthy thanks to exercise in a fun way.

[@jameslumley2463]

Open bottom for mud, water, snow, rocks to intrude, not appealing.

[@popeyegordon]

Open bottom for ventilation, weight savings and to demonstrate that water falls down, not up. The wheels have fenders. At a max speed of 20 mph there is simply no problem and the ventilation is vital for staying cool. Your cynical negative attack is not appealing.

[@popeyegordon]

False. Each wheel has a fender. We need maximum ventilation for exercising in this small space. KZbin has videos of the ELF being driven in rain, snow and ice. Since when does bike tread throw up rocks more than a couple inches?? Your uninformed attack on a great design is not appealing.

[@mwbgaming28]

@@popeyegordon a great design would have enough power that you could ride withiut pedalling if you want

[@popeyegordon]

@@mwbgaming28 Of course. This is the only true statement you have made here. The ELF has enough power to take me at 20 mph with no pedaling but I need exercise so I do pedal, especially to maintain speed up hills. Troll fuktards like you don't know that the ELF has been marketed to wheelchair bound owners who can not pedal. They fold up their chairs behind the seat and go.