A Mistake In Plain Sight | The Crash Of Independent Air Flight 1851

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Correction at 0:21 I meant to say 1966 and not 1996

[@XalphYT]

I thought you lived the timeline in reverse.

[@t.lacey17]

I was so confused. Was thinking, "How the hell was it running from 1996 to 1990?". You broke me

[@itainelken]

Pin this comment so it is at the top

[@janipt]

Mortal, I forgive you

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

@@janipt Thank you oh wise one

[@josephwood4160]

I live in Santa Maria and I regularly go to Pico Alto where the plane crashed. Always gives me the chills to put feet where so many people died. Lots of people on the island still remember the crash and lots of locals helped in the rescue efforts. It was horrible. May the soul of those who perished rest in Peace

[@amprelorrr]

Same, there is a tribute there

[@questionablebackyardmeows]

I actually like your episodes because they focus on the investigation itself and the reasons for the accident rather than on the drama of it...

[@greggstrasser5791]

“Maria Elizabeth Maskface was a 23 year old mother of five who worked in a mall. She was flying home to see her mother for Christmas...”

[@questionablebackyardmeows]

@@greggstrasser5791 go troll somewhere else. We don't want this crap here

[@greggstrasser5791]

@@questionablebackyardmeows OK, Commie.

[@questionablebackyardmeows]

@@greggstrasser5791 Fine, I'll play with you. YES, I am a commie. Card carrying fucking Marxist-Leninist-Titoist. And as such, I can tell you right now that the US government and mainstream is centre-right and is as far away from actual Communism or even Marxist ideals as the earth is from Alpha Centauri.

[@questionablebackyardmeows]

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[@justabigbaby]

Can't get better most significant info in a quick, simple and intelligible manner. Job well done.

[@mauricedavis8261]

I second, job well done!!!👍😎

[@thoralexander9387]

I am positively in love with the background footage today. Excellent choice, and another fantastic video of an incident I didn't know about.

[@senilyDeluxe]

They didn't react to GPWS? Which part of "Pull up, Terrain!" didn't they understand!?

[@seeingeyegod]

did you watch the video?

[@coachtim6188]

@@seeingeyegod Apparently not.

[@coachtim6188]

Here I'll help you out. 7:20 begins the explanation of why they didn't. Right after where he says "which explains why they didn't react to the GPWS system."

[@senilyDeluxe]

OK I totally got that (I watched the video twice, even before your comment), but if I was flying a plane. Through a cloud. At low altitude near an airport I haven't been to too often. And my plane starts saying "Pull up, Terrain!", I would certainly not ignore it. (insert dramatic pause for each period I put in previous text) (how much more clear should airlines make the GPWS announcement? "Hey F#*kface you're about to crash the plane if you don't pull that stupid yoke in front of you towards you have I made myself clear dammit?") Sum Ting Wong Wi Tu Lo Ho Lee Fuk Bang Ding Ow.

[@gloriaruth573]

More videos please!!! I absolutely love Mini Air Crash Investigation. It covers flights that I was unfamiliar with, flights that I’ve always wanted information on and answers questions on crashes that I am familiar with. Than you!!

[@coca-colayes1958]

That was awesome , I really like the way you repeat the words of the “controllers” I’m really noticing it in your videos now you sound perfessional now , Thanks for a great video

[@terriecotham1567]

Always read back all information this way it's possible for ATC to check you understandings of the information

[@Swoost]

Just found this channel it is exactly what I needed. I actually like how I can just listen to it without absolutely needing to watch the video for info while at work

[@juliusnepos6013]

Yes! I was always interested in this incident to be included in the aci series

[@kindnessisking5500]

I just wanted to say thank you for all these great videos!! I like these investigations as to what occurred!! So much info!!

[@amprelorrr]

I live there. There is a tribute to this crash at the pico alto mountain (where it crashed). The rest of the plane's parts found are all there. note: this approach route was banned from now on and the airport is no longer used by international airlines due to not needing any more refuel stops

[@ExperimentIV]

great video per usual! your narration is getting a lot better with the more experience you put in (not that you were bad before, but everyone improves on something they’re already decent when they get in the practice!)

[@ExperimentIV]

decent at*. apparently i can’t type

[@Milesco]

@@ExperimentIV You can edit your comments by clicking or tapping the three dots to the right of your comment. 🙂

[@karend1577]

I use my Kindle to watch KZbin. Unfortunately when I need to make an adjustment, it only gives me 2 options, EDIT is Not one of it. I would copy my comments, Delete it, then paste it & make the adjustment before finalizing. It's just so much easier to add another comment with the correction.

[@vm6824]

Terrible narrator! Are you serious???

[@kdfrkdfr]

I appreciate all of your videos. They are well presented and informative.

[@SixteenChickens]

My wife and I flew to Cancun and back on this plane in 1987. The captain gave his name as "Captain Duke" and the first thing he told us was that this was one of the first 707's built, back in the late 1950's. It was loud, fast and smoky as we left Atlanta, you could actually see the exhaust in the plane's shadow on the ground. The plane was mostly filled with spring-breakers from UGA and many of them brought their own coolers of beer onto the flight. We crossed the jet stream just west of Cuba and the turbulence was some of the worst I've ever experienced. Two years later, when we saw a photo of the plane on the news about the crash, it was a shock to say the least.

[@sarahalbers5555]

This is a great video in all' aspects. Bonus blast from the past!

[@Isabel-vj7tl]

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[@alphalunamare]

Essentially, the crew did not manage the '2000 or 3000' information. The necessary 'team work' was sadly lacking.

[@MSA3568]

And there were 3 cockpit crew!

[@davemould4638]

Not all the cockpit crew are necessarily paying close attention to what ATC is saying. It's not uncommon to get mixed up with numbers in a foreign language - I once ordered 30 beers in a Brazilian bar instead of 3 beers. Fortunately we still managed to drink them. ATC should have picked up on the mistake in the readback, so it was a double mistake.

[@billolsen4360]

@@MSA3568 3 untrained people in the cockpit

[@jamiemartin274]

My most favourite KZbinr channel.

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

I am flattered 🥳🥳

[@Xenotypic]

you and allec joshua ibay are the best aviation channels for sure.

[@walhalladome5227]

Nice these pictures of the famous 707's.

[@RedOctober_]

You have gained 10k subs in just 1 month very impressive!!!

[@kevinbarry71]

Around 1990, a An airplane, I believe from Columbia, literally ran itself out of gas over Long Island New York. I remember this as I didn't live very far from it. Maybe you could look into that one? This was approximately 1989

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Thanks for the tip! I find fuel starvation cases intriguing

[@kevinbarry71]

Mini Air Crash Investigation as I recall, and this was a long time ago, the pilots failed to declare an emergency when they knew they were running out of fuel. So they weren't given an emergency clearance. So they ran out of gas. I believe the plane crashed into a residential area. Or near one, I don't recall anybody on the ground being killed

[@JonathanLit]

@@kevinbarry71 To me, it is just absolutely crazy that a human being, let alone a pilot, would do such a thing and allow that to happen. To be so socially afraid of "bothering" people that you not only risk and eventually lose your own life, but also those hundreds of innocent lives aboard who probably thought absolutely nothing was out of the ordinary until the cabin went dark and, most scarily of all, completely silent. The only sound they heard was that of the wind against the fuselage until they hit the ground. So eerie.

[@juliusnepos6013]

This was the Aviaca 707 crash but i forgot the flight number

[@kevinbarry71]

JonathanLit yes, it is definitely crazy, i'm not sure if they didn't say anything at all, but they should have declared a fuel emergency and they didn't

[@AirgunChannel]

Learning alot form your channel. Aviation is so interesting!

[@gregord556]

Awesome and informative video, as always

[@gaxnn]

A bit nit-picky, but QFE is the pressure that gives you height above the airfield, not height above the ground.

[@poggiatlj9819]

My aunt was asked to take this flight as she was working in a travel agency but refused because she came back from another travel a few days before. That's incredible!

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Wow your aunt lucked out

[@Bobsunfire]

Super video! Thank you.

[@chathurasandakelum7641]

I've watched all your videos in 3 days and I can't be happier about the new video. I love these more than the ACI. On point. Keep up the good work.

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Thank you!!

[@conipilote1634]

Same here

[@jasontwynn7356]

Good video,nice and clear. Easy to understand and fallow . Keep it up.

[@antoniomaglione4101]

In another international industry sector - which I won't mention here, there is the problem of the proficiency of understanding spoken English. People which understand English - only if spoken by somebody of their same nationality. It was a tragedy, unknown to themselves in first instance. Hope things have improved since 1995...

[@coachtim6188]

This channel is making me rethink flying. Lol Never knew there have been so many crashes.

[@HEDGE1011]

But how many uneventful flights have there been in the same time period?

[@joltinjack]

I dated flight attendant Yvette Murray a couple of years before this crash; she and other crew members were laid off during that time. After she was called back up for work, we lost touch, although I would run into her father once in a while in Marietta, GA. I remember watching the CBS Evening News about the crash, but when it was announced on the local news at 11 p.m., they showed a picture of Yvette as one of the victims. I was shocked.

[@coca-colayes1958]

Yes when it was you tube notification I was hoping it’s mini air crash , I wite this while the adds on

[@zvezdannedeljkovic5619]

Moja žena u toj nesreći izgubila oca i majku I tetku. Ja sam avio-inzinjer.Bogg da im dušu prosti ❤

[@jacktumbouniversal2149]

we love this .. keep it going ...

[@learnerm3120]

It never ceases to amaze me how these litany of mistakes always line up just right to cause a tragic accident. It is conceivable that the crash would still happen even if one or two of these mistakes didn't happen but I guess for dramatic effect, I feel as if just correcting one of them would avert the whole thing.

[@thatguyalex2835]

This litany of mistakes are known as the Swiss Cheese model. Honestly, correcting one of these mistakes would have saved the aircraft.

[@davemould4638]

The reason why the litany of mistakes always lines up perfectly is because you would not hear many of the times that they did *not* line up perfectly (because there was no accident and people do not generally report the mistakes that they got away with - or in some cases did not even realise they had made).

[@learnerm3120]

@@davemould4638 Good point

[@mickdunne981]

Hi im new i hit the bell and liked the video.Greetings from Ireland nice to meet you.So sad rip to all that was on board

[@barbarachipman9436]

the wingspan on this plane is something else

[@8bitorgy]

So many layers of incompetence

[@geoh7777]

"... we learn, so that this mistake never happens again." And we all walk off into the sunset.

[@Tindometari]

Looking for new mistakes to make.

[@WellWisdom.]

Thank you. And may God rest their souls.

[@wraynephew6838]

I read that the flight crew had multiple 10 hour flights from Italy to Jamaica and Italy to Dominican republic in the days prior to this crash. I wonder how much stress and fatigue played a role in this tragedy.

[@MomentOfReason]

Love the videos, my favorite on is the recent one you did on that near disaster of a space shuttle, STS-27. I remember watching the news when Colombia came apart.. I was salty with NASA until the New Horizons probe sent back images of Pluto; that was pretty epic. What about a video on UTA Flight 772? I saw something about it in an "aviation incidents" type of group I'm in on Facebook.

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much!

[@Truths_Sayer]

Thanks again for the great video.

[@Isabel-vj7tl]

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[@tcpratt1660]

Another charter airline flight crash you might cover - LaMia Flight 2933, on 28 November 2016 (for soccer/football fans, they'd know this as the Chapecoense crash).

[@blakena4907]

Oh man, another happy morning!

[@roksho1]

Do any cockpits have speech to text displays? why are we relying solely on voice commands/inputs..seems easy enough to add speech to text on both ends to clarify ATC and pilot exchanges..maybe some day they will add this feature?

[@Leroys_Stuff]

Another great video thank you

[@zdenekkindl2778]

It is mindboggling that a plane flyies from Italy to Azores and hits the only mountain there, which is sticking out of Atlantic, like Eifel tower in Paris. By the way, tallest mountain of Portugal…

[@pauloloura2898]

The pico Mountain is in the island of pico, pico alto in Santa Maria is 590 meters high about 2 k ft

[@Person01234]

There are so many failsafes in aviation, some of these crashes just sound like the pilots were almost trying to be a statistic.

[@jinto1980]

Hmm 737 Max

[@bigfish7493]

It is all too repetitive. Lousy voice confirmation of ATC instructions. Maybe now 2020 matters have improved however given the contradictions that we have found to exist between AI systems and "hands-on" piloting, combined with ATC's lack of reconfirming approach instructions; this sets up a crash waiting to happen. Thank you very much again and again. And thanks to the spirit of air crews who don't accept first blush!

[@hosabelakuartisansfoundati8765]

You are really doing a wonderful job explaining, but if u added some background music and used a bit more animation to explain, your videos will boost in views

[@johndenver5029]

Don't add music, engine noise would be more immersive

[@ezogno]

Keep it up also from my side ;) (by the way: it's Bèrgamo, not Bergàmo.... I know: this sounds as pleasant as "Leviòsa, not Leviosà".. sorry, bear with me) ;)

[@justabigbaby]

Sorry, you lost me. I'm sure it might be significant though.

[@theMoerster]

@@justabigbaby He's saying the pronunciation is wrong and that the emphasis should be on the first syllable. Then he acknowledges it sounds worse and isn't really that important by comparing it to a line from the first Harry Potter movie.

[@ezogno]

@@theMoerster ...glad someone caught the reference ;)

[@pulidoggy]

Dropped by to point out the same pronunciation issue, just to find out that you beat me by one day 😄 And, for non-italian speakers, I would just add that the wrong accent remark is not as nit-picking as it could seem... We italians use to put a great care in accent placement since in our language an accent shift within the same word (although Bergamo being not the case) can unexpectedly turn present into past tense, first person into third, a noun into a completely different-meaning one and perform a whole lot of other sorceries that keep plaguing us since our first day at school 😉

[@pulidoggy]

@@theMoerster I know that I'm hair-splitting now, but I think that Enrico's reference to "pleasant as..." has to be read as a self-ironic comment playing not on how the word sounds but rather on the finicky, know-it-all Hermione's attitude in pointing out the correct pronunciation 😉

[@filakyle3663]

I like that you focuse on facts and aviation a pilotage and all for aviation enthusiatsic people. I have watched probaly all comercial aviation disasters as a pilot to learn. But i could not take emocional push on audience with all that sad music and crying victims. It was hell to watch. Althow i know it belongs to tragedies. But i was looking to learn and loved watchnig pilotage and comms and investiagion. But on top of that a lot of those comercial series is filled up with constant repating information and scenes. Like made for dumies or i dont know. And most recontruction scenes from cockpit thay made. Was pure hell to watch for someone who knows it is nonsence thay show. So I am realy happy for what YOU do. It is actualy informative and interesting and full of facts. Actualy so much info. I sometimes have to rewatch some parts to chatch everything. I think you can eazily afford longer video and a litle bit slow down your speking. And if i could have one wish. When you show, instrument approaches, airport diagrams, could you please draw a line thay fly or do bit of animation there. To help me chatch what thay do where thay intent to go? Maybe yoy do it and i miss it or cannot figure in time. But anyway i am very happy for you videos. Love it

[@filakyle3663]

@wargent99 yes, you actually nailed it. Exactly. Thanks.

[@c.hanley1423]

Very thorough.

[@MeganMcIntosh]

Been subbed and enjoying your vids for a couple months. I keep wondering where you are from? Keep up the good work man.

[@flyingtigerline]

Very interesting !!

[@RainRoseville]

If i was part of the jury i would have asked the prosecutors to do actualy moving stress tests on the failed servo. Do like 10,000 cycles on it and see how many times it failed. It will take time, but this will be the definitive answer to see if the servo is the one that is really at fault or not.

[@zacktong8105]

I recall this accident very well since I had been stationed at Lajes Field nearly 20years before and landed on this runway in a DC-8 but don't recall the approach. Why they needed to make a stop at SMA was never explained well as this plane should clearly have had the range to make such a flight from Bergamo to the Dominican Republic unless the takeoff runway was shorter.

[@smx6544]

Back for another one

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

It's so funny that the highest point on the island is right in the path of the runway you need to land on.

[@hermanbotha9140]

Awsome videos, really enjoy watching your videos!! Can you make a video about Nationwide flight CE723?

[@sophiec1528]

A mistake in plain sight? More like a mistake in "plane" sight haha

[@ivebeenmemed]

ahahaha

[@brianwong7285]

Just like how the ACI episode about PSA 182 was called Hiding In Plane Sight for select regions that had the show...

[@mickdunne981]

Thank you for sharing👍

[@LUOLMO]

The crash gonna have a episode on mayday season 23

[@bobcornford3637]

I think these videos would benefit from maps and charts detailing the navaids and locations.

[@TheFULLMETALCHEF]

ATC should have also noticed the flight’s altitude. That’s what they’re supposed to do.

[@johncantwell8216]

Maybe the encoding altimeter was not working.

[@xonx209]

They have no radar

[@samlasagna8730]

So this was an American plane and crew, carrying Italian tourists to the Dominican Republic which crashed on an Atlantic island belonging to to Portugal.

[@satyaacharya8451]

Please do Air India Express Flight 1344 next. It is very similar to Flight 812 of AI Express that you have covered earlier.

[@AbdiPianoChannel]

The captain acted as the boss of the airplane. No one could over ride the captain's decision.

[@chadywayan]

FIRST COMMENT KEEP IT UP!!!

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Thank you!!

[@vsparky6967]

You're fast it says 0 comment even though you are here

[@vtwinbuilder3129]

Sparky22 he’s not that fast. You Tube is just extremely slow. Unless it’s loading an ad.

[@mwebb1495]

The average reaction time is 5.4 seconds. *This crew did nothing* . Is that a shadow cast by the sun or is that your shade?

[@GBEdmonds-j1i]

This was just one in a truck load of overseas accidents where the pilots where woefully trained and ultimately these accidents became a certainty in this age of flying. Nowadays you still have to contend with persons walking off the street with dreams of becoming an airline pilot and they have very little to no actual flying or physics understanding of what flying a plane really means? We call it aviate, navigate, communicate, but to many of these overseas pilots rely heavily on the fly-by-wire approach to flying a plane in other words they depend on automation and when the shit hits the fan they panic resulting in crashes still seen today.

[@davidtucker3729]

so whats a 1000' here or there? Apparently 144 lives. Simple mistake, corrected but not acted on and as passengers we never know who is at the controls and what level of training they have. All the FAA restrictions in the world can't help you in a moment where it is all up to the Guy or Gal holding command when a mistake is made. Another fine episode well explained

[@xonx209]

Any airline that trained its pilots to ignore GPWS should go out of business, like this one did.

[@BrettonFerguson]

QNH is atmospheric pressure at sea level. This changes constantly depending on temperature and other factors. Why doesn't a modern plane's computers adjust this automatically? With the ground proximity warning system's radar it would know how high it was off the ground, with GPS and stored topography map data it would know what airport it was at and how high the ground was above sea level, couldn't it just adjust the atmospheric pressure automatically?

[@wanderlustspirit4607]

Please do Alaska 261.

[@AlessandroGenTLe]

Hi mate, it's Bèrgamo, not Bergàmo. :)

[@aliyusx]

Bro didnt have flight sim at the time of making this video

[@haiwatigere6202]

Where is captain wi Tu Lo when we need him

[@B737900ER]

They planned fuel from Bergamo to Santa Maria (not to Punta Cana)

[@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

@ Mini Air Crash Investigation Feedback: I'd actually prefer if you just left the screen blank, or left a static image of any relevant things like a runway map, and a list of all airlplanes involved etc. on screen rather than using random stock videos of other airplanes. I keep getting distracted by the action on screen instinctively thinking it has some relevance to what you're saying and then I have to rewind because it's just confusing. When you're referencing numbers and codes like flight numbers, runways, beacons etc. it would help a lot if these were also written on screen and stay there while you're talking about it. It's quite hard for me to juggle such abstract information that I only hear without having anything visual reminders (I could never be air traffic controller). If you're worried the videos would be too boring if there's too little actual video; maybe you could show the stock photos in a corner of the screen and leave a "sidebar" nex to it with relevant key facts and maps etc.

[@tommytutone2584]

It's not all about you dude...

[@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

@@tommytutone2584 wtf? Of course it's not "all about me" (whatever you actually mean by that); this is about accessibility. Having random irrelevant stock photo makes it hard for most people with ADHD to focus,. (And I'm sure it's not very helpful for most people either.) And even if you don't mind it, at the very least it would not hurt the experience for anyone if the stock photo was _relevant_ rather than misleading, would it? which is why I didn't bother talking about my diagnosis; because my advice is more general than just about me. Just like having the option to turn on subtitles or having a wheelchair accessible entrance doesn't hurt anyone but it helps a lot of people. (Or do you also go up to wheelchair users and say "it's not all about you dude" as well?!)

[@tommytutone2584]

@@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug I watch many of these wonderfully created videos. Instead of watching and enjoying them, there's always a select few of nit-pickers that dissect every tiny detail thats not 100% perfect. Just because it doesn't meet your ocd expectations, it meets others. Your whole lengthy comment was about "I" and "me", and criticism. People aren't perfect and the time required to put these vids together/edit is overwhelming. He does an excellent job! Just watch and enjoy

[@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

@@tommytutone2584 I do enjoy them. It's not nitpicking, it was just suggestions for how to make them better and more accessible. The fact that both you and I enjoy them doesn't mean there isn't possible to improve things.

[@TCPUDPATM]

This reads like one of those VFR into IMC stories. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@douro20]

METAR- METeorological Aerodrome Report

[@secularargument]

Pass me another hunk of co-pilot..

[@Landrew0]

Please consider cutting down on the distracting stock footage.

[@RedOctober_]

BTW is that actual footage from the landing

[@vsparky6967]

Hi

[@bl1754]

Mitrawr means i love you in airplane

[@LECLAUDIOUS]

The aircraft was way too independent than the pilot

[@sadathghouri8483]

Please use the actual footage if available. Else, at least alert viewers that it is not an actual footage.

[@FizzleFX]

Made up! We had no auch planes in 1851^^

[@davidhull1481]

It’s BEAR-gamo, not burr-GAMO.

[@mjrussell414]

Yeahs, I’d say flying into a mountain was not ideal. I’m thinking that even without training, if I were a pilot, I would definitely pay attention to a warning that my plane is in closer proximity than it would be comfortable to the ground. That’s just me though.

[@joaquinandreijaque5813]

is 1989 not 1996

[@PeterNGloor]

BER-gamo, not Ber-GAHMO

[@gregreilly3438]

The video and narrative do not align. Half way through I gave up. Sorry

[@lamaatmahmood238]

1996 to 1990 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@halojump123]

Twilight zone

[@jacktumbouniversal2149]

contatct me if u want some advice audiowise .. i could hel u out alot. :)

[@stuartlee6622]

Hillary Clinton's incessant cackling distracted the pilots!