A Misunderstanding of Deadly Proportions (TAM Flight 402) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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On October 31st, 1996, Disaster would strike in Brazil’s largest city. TAM Airlines Flight 402 crashed immediately after takeoff leading to the deaths of nearly 100 people in what became one of Brazil’s deadliest aviation disasters and also the deadliest to involve that particular plane. So what happened? Clearly the pilots at some point of this short flight lost control. But really, how does that happen at such a critical phase of flight? That is what we’re going to explore today.
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[@newmexicanpersonwhoexists]

Hey big fan here, but could you possibly think about doing Ukraine International 752 if you can get enough info?

[@onforetv7891]

Do The Sichuan Flight 8633

[@kindnessisking5500]

Thank you for creating these great, but tragic when there is loss of life! I have loved Aircraft since I saw my first Aircraft when I was a child. My Grandparent's owned a home on the Bay of Quintie and they were approximately 15 minuets away from Canada's largest Airforce Base in Canada. The base is called Canadian Forces Base, 8 Wing Trenton. When I was a kid I would watch with amazement the old 707's doing maneuver's over the the Bay of Quintie. They would fly so close to the water and I have to say that the old 707's are one of the loudest jet's I've heard. The Base also used the old C-130H. Today CFB Trenton is home for the C-17A, the C-130J, CH-47D Helicopter's and a SQN of F/A-18C's. The F/A-18C's were stationed at CFB 8 Wing Trenton since 9/11. There's a parking lot near the end of the runway. I still love to go and watch all theses planes takeoff, train and landing's!

[@sharoncassell9358]

My brothers wife is from Rio.

[@juliusalimari]

hey! My entire family lived literally just blocks away from the impact site. Sadly, my cousin was on that plane. She was on the last seat row, and was just recently married. RIP... This impacted my family in a way that I'm afraid to fly to this day, since hearing a lot about this when I was a kid. Because of that I ended up nurturing an interest by aviation and found your channel! it all comes together.

[@lawnmower4884]

Sorry to hear that bro!

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

Your strength is an inspiration, she would be proud of you.

[@suresh1957]

May your cousin and the deceased passengers and crew rest in Peace.

[@MrBsbotto]

Much condolences to you and your family. Hope you were able to come to terms with this tragedy.

[@nenblom]

So sorry for your loss

[@jessejohn7406]

Disaster: "there is DEFINITELY something we need to talk about about Fokker" The community: *visible fustration*

[@azyanziyad1291]

I think he is talking about Air Ontario Flight 1363 which is why

[@jessejohn7406]

@@azyanziyad1291 wat happened there?

[@laveritesurlestemoinsdejeh8522]

@@jessejohn7406 Icing on take off crashed the plane. Then a couple of years later, USAir Flight 405, another Fokker, crashed the same way (icing) on take off. However, this was not the fault of the plane in these cases, but of sloppy habits about de-icing...

[@grmpEqweer]

🤔 now I really want to know.

[@GiordanDiodato]

@@laveritesurlestemoinsdejeh8522 how about this one? 1931 Transcontinental and Western flight on March 31. It was a Fokker F.10

[@lostvictims9769]

Rest In Peace to the victims: Captain Jose Antonio Moreno, 35 First Officer Ricardo Luis Gomes Martins, 27 Flight Attendant Flavia Fuzetti Fernandes, 22 Flight Attendant Janaina dos Santos, 19 Flight Attendant Marcelo Binoto, 29 Flight Attendant Marecelli Carneiro, 21 Agnaldo Figueiredo Alberto Coimbra Vieira, 51 Alexandre Magalhaes Vas de Mello, 27 Aluisio Camargo Fonseca, 53 Aluisio Calil Mathias Amador Goncalves de Godoy Filho, 42 Amauri Pimenta Almeida, 36 Andre Estevao M. Botelho, 22 Andre Luiz Hillebrand Linden Ariovaldo Ricioli Arlindo Oliveira Filho Arthur Eduardo Gasparian, 54 Barbara Cecilia Luchsinger Wright Camillo Marina, 53 Carla Generali Nazareth Carlos Mario F. Vieira Carbio da Silva Almeida Jr., 26 Carlos Yukio Morishito Cesar Franca Cornelia Gnuge Bauer Cristiano Gusmao Neto David Andrews David Boianovsky David Francis Tobolla, 40 Denis Albacete de Souza Eduardo Goes Eduardo Silva T. Haydt, 42 Elias Alvez Queiroz Ernesto Igel Flavia Stout, 23 Felix Elias Balassiano, 40 Filemon Rodrigues Ferreira, 42 Flavio de Araujo Filho, 40 Francisco Jose Rodrigues, 48 George Kepletar, 41 Geraldo Luís Arede de Barros, 38 Gilberto Aquino Jr., 33 Gustavo Serrano, 24 Hamilton Simione Henrique Marques Trindade Henrique Mentone Filho, 40 Ivo Roberto Gutjahr Jose Nogueira Jose Celso Pereira Jose Pereira Duarte, 32 Jose Rachael Abu Assali Julio Dutra de Toledo Louwerinus Hoogerheide, 48 Laercio Cremasco, 40 Leandro Kalfas Lucio Castro Pinto, 42 Luiz Antonio Amado de Barros, 50 Luis Carlos Simones A. Luiz Claudio Tamiello Luiz Fernando Sampaio Gouveia, 39 Luiz Lauro Romero, 50 Manoel Joao Junior, 50 Manoel Araujo Marcelo do Amaral Ferraro Marcos Aurelio Fios Maria Helena Pereira Beltramini Maria Emilia R. Vale Maria de Lima, 22 Maria Adelaide Senna Marilene Gimenez Haddad Marta de Almeida Palma, 31 Marta Costa Fantini Mauricio Frateschi Sa Fortes, 38 Mauro Ferreira Mauro Rodrigues de Matos, 36 Mohamad Shaikhzadeh Olavo Ruy Ferreira, 28 Paulo Alberto Prado Filho, 47 Paulo Marcello C. Araujo Raymundo De Paulo Roncati, 35 Regina Lemos Valerio, 47 Renato Carvalho Leite de Barros Ricardo Alan C. Maciel Rilton Oliveira Rodrigues, 23 Roberto Fisher, 46 Rubens de Azevedo Britto, 55 Sandro Morete B. Ferreira Sergio Bleinat, 39 Sergio Minoru Nisidozi Trindade Pereira Walter Manhaes, 55 Washington Carvalho, 33 William Arjona Wolfgang Hanz Janstein, 62 Zelia Menin, 36 Dirceu Barbosa Geraldo, 39 Marco Antonio Oliveira, 36 Tadao Funada, 64

[@lostvictims9769]

Taken from www.desastresaereos.net/acidente_tam_402_as_vitimas.htm

[@juliusalimari]

one of them was my cousin. rip

[@josmclove4426]

Haunting 😭

[@andrewilliamcesardossantos1555]

@@juliusalimari name ?

[@andrewilliamcesardossantos1555]

the son of the passenger William Arjona is a volleyball player of the Brazilian national team, he is also called William Peixoto Arjona, in the year 2016 he reported that he misses his father

[@Operngeist1]

I found this one particulary tragic with how the FO overpowered the throttle to the point a cable snapped thinking he's doing the right thing.

[@TheLastPhoen1x]

Yea, especially since giving thrust to number 2 engine would normally counteract the yaw to the right, but with reverse active it had an opposite effect...

[@RBMapleLeaf]

@@TheLastPhoen1x However, had Fokker stated that “Hey, we sent a notice we need you to train your pilots in case of an uncommanded reverse thrust” the accident never would happen in the case of Lauda 4 a Boeing 767 mentioned in the video that case there was no realistic chances those pilots were going to recover

[@johnpekkala6941]

To design the cockpit warning system so that it just indicates a fault with the auto throttle and gives no further warnings or information to the pilots that this in turn is related to a reverse thruster failing and also not give any teaching or information at all about the system to the pilots "because it is so unlikley to happen" is like not having a protection system at all! When the protection system kicked in and pulled back the throttles right at the moment of takeoff after giving as only fault indication the auto throttle system, well... If I had been the pilot I would probably had reacted just the same way thinking the throttle system was faulty and try push it back up and thus crash the plane. The designers of that protection system did not think far for sure! You need to go through a serious thought step like: "If we give as only alert auto throttle disconnect and then it pulls the throttle back when reverser deploys, how will the pilot react to this?" Probably not good for sure. Im not a pilot but as said: I would probably had done the very same thing in that situation with the information I had as I would want the plane to climb and have been given no knowledge or indication at all that the fact the auto throttle is down is because a reverse thruster have deployed! Clear and detailed cockpit warnnigs and indications about potentially disastrous faults should be a no brainer for plane designers and engineers!

[@B3Band]

Yeah what a doofus lulz

[@daveroche6522]

Fokker didn't communicate anything about the [safety] system because (such) an uncommanded thrust reverser activation was "very unlikely". Beoing didn't communicate anything about the B737-MAX MCAS because.......???

[@adamfrazer5150]

These cockpit recordings, they are far more difficult to witness than I would have thought. The raw terror and the humanity on display during the sudden collapse of normality as disaster unfolds in a matter of heartbeats for so many people, so completely. My mind can only empathize so much, it's utterly heartbreaking.

[@fbello18]

When this happend my father was still alive. When he retired he was capitan of Boeing 747 of Varig airlines. Right after the disaster It was known the problem was in the reverse, 'cause several people on ground saw the reverse opening and closing on and on. My father said - "you never try to solve a engine problem during taken off, you have to shut down the engine and proceed the take off with a singles engine - witch is not a problem, the plane is projected to do so - only after reaching 1.000" you should try to undestand what is the cause of the failure" !! The pilots were led to believe in the auto-throtle problem because a series of things - as always in every accident.

[@azyanziyad1291]

Well you are Right.....as Always When an Engine is not doing so Well the Number 1 Thing YOU HAVE TO DO is to SHUT THE ENGINE OFF. Which for that not to prevent any other Problems if you are going to troubleshoot the engine or so otherwise what happened to Flight 402 things would get Nasty and could make it worse

[@matheusak]

As a brazilian aviation lover, somethings have to be spokes: fokker didnt had any training in uncommanded reverse thrusts opening, and the indicator light on the airplane cockpit was unable to be sight until 300ft, for prevent pilots deviations. later, the cenipa recriates the flight conditions in a simulator, and all pilots in the same condition crashes.

[@pinkypromises714]

thats why cenipa didnt put the blame on on the pilots at all

[@matheusak]

@@pinkypromises714 sure

[@Pianomundo]

Cara, achei um absurdo a abordagem do vídeo, totalmente irreal e sem noção… Exatamente como vc falou, não existia tal treinamento, esse acidente foi um dos poucos em que o cenipa classifica como principal causa a falha da máquina.

[@matheusak]

@@Pianomundo os órgãos americanos e europeus de investigação e prevenção de acidentes aéreos , apesar de serem excelentes, tem uma certa cultura de exigir a máquina da culpa, e isso acaba refletindo na opinião pública dos países lá de fora. Nenhum comandante do mundo, no lugar do comandante Moreno, sairia vivo do 402

[@Josh2901S]

"dont sink" fam that was fast omg 😯😢 even the terrain avoidance system didnt get time to repeat jeez man

[@superj8502]

Something that i've learned in years of reading/listening/whatching accident reports is that it's almost more likely than not that there was a suggested modification that would've prevented the accident. I think that it shouldn't be possible for safety relevant modifications not be mandatory. More safety is definetly worth more maintainance.

[@cauldron938]

here in Brazil, this crash hit hard on the people. since many other incidents happened with the fokker 100 being involved, such as an in-flight explosion in 1997, 2 belly landings at the SAME TIME, and a landing gear failure, the fokker 100 was hit badly. This affected the plane's reputation SO HARDLY, that people were afraid of the plane and refused to fly on it at all costs, this made TAM retire all fokker 100s in 2007 some of which were delivered to oceanair, another brazilian airline. this fear of the plane was still persistent, so oceanair took matters into their own hands, commercially anouncing the plane as "fokker mk-28" eventually, the plane's age, along with a landing gear failure incident, oceanair retired the fokker 100 in 2015.

[@nadiarodrigues6357]

My grandmother lived very, very close to the crash site (less than 2km away) when the accident happened. I remember my mother panicking when she heard about it on the news. She tried desperately to contact my grandmother, but she was actually heading home to visit my sister, who was a few months old. My grandfather was at their place and was able to hear the crash.

[@anaperutti]

Your Portuguese pronunciation is great, and your research is, as always, impeccable. Thank you for treating all disasters with the same amount of respect and dedication 💜

[@b.t.356]

This is beyond scary and sad. Hearing the CVR gave me chills.

[@Toucanbird]

Man, this was a tough one to watch because this accident was so preventable. While you could say pilot error was a contributing factor to the crash, it’s hard to fault the pilots because they were not trained for this situation. It’s also tough to hear the last words spoken by the pilots. It’s amazing to hear that even when disaster is a foregone conclusion, they are still staying calm trying their best to save the plane.

[@n00blol]

Oh my gosh, the last words of the captain are so heartbreaking 💔 RIP 😭

[@EpicJoshua314]

Something to mention about the pilots actions that day, I don’t know if the TAM pilots knew about this, but at least year and a half prior there was a problem with the auto thrust system on the A310 where during the initial climb the left throttle lever would move back to idle and this problem could not be fixed so airlines had a policy that the Pilot Not Flying would have their hand on the throttle. This problem was a contributing factor in the crash of TAROM 371 (however, the main cause of that crash was the co-pilot’s unfamiliarity with Western style ADIs). I find it odd that on Lauda 004, a Boeing 767, that the pilots received an indication on their EICAS that the left engine was in reverse/the thrust reverser deployed but no thrust reverse indication (even on landing when the thrust reversers are used) was on the EICAS of the Fokker 100.

[@rbonotto]

The problem was that they had no information that the reverse was open, there was nothing on the instruments to indicate that. Sad to know that if they hadn't fought the crash they would have been saved.

[@kuro9410_ilust]

"so unlikely that it would happen" means "it WILL happen eventually and lives will be lost along the way" and there will be yet another "regulation written with blood"

[@Mrs.Tincher]

Awesome! Two videos this week! Your hard work does not go unnoticed!!

[@XemawthEvo2]

Verrry snazzy graphics!! This channel continues to evolve and impress, well done!

[@lunayoshi]

He uses Flight Simulator. It's a really fancy system (game?) that is so massive, it takes up something like 800gigs of data to have the entire world to explore. I'd play it myself, but I doubt my SSD and graphics card could handle it.

[@XemawthEvo2]

@@lunayoshi My apologies, I was referring to the demonstration graphics. E.G. when discussing the yaw moment on the aircraft created by the action of reverse thrust being engaged. If I recall they are a somewhat new addition to the video format, and I find them informative

[@keloonpa58.62]

@@XemawthEvo2 that is flight simulator

[@Jet1000]

Another great video Chloe! In this crash, there was some details that explains why the crew thought they're facing an autothrottle malfunction: the relay that locks the reverser entered in short-circuit midair right in the flight before, this caused the autothrottle warning light on and off several times, so the crew of this flight reported and briefed the next one about an autothrotlle issue. That's why the captain was so sure about it, the crew was heavily induced. Additionally Fokker jets had a rule that turns off all "secondary issues" warnings until 400ft, so the crew does not had a clue about what was happening with the reverser. Another detail about why the company doesn't trained his pilots to the reverser unlock scenario was because one year before, they contacted Fokker about it and the reply was: this scenario is impossible to happen. Thanks!

[@usaturnuranus]

As I get older I realize how precious are the losses humanity suffers as a whole when our fellow travellers are taken prematurely. It brings me sadness, as well as unanswerable questions about their potential and value to all. Whether war, vehicle crash, violence, etc. is immaterial - we all suffer in some way. Be safe and thrive.

[@SGE62]

You should do the 1996 Air Africa Crash, which is a run over accident that killed 215+.

[@kommandantgalileo]

I think that when reverse thrust is deployed, a light should indicate that it is deployed.

[@vk2ig]

Agreed. The light should be driven by a microswitch on the deployment mechanism.

[@Zions_Awesome_YouTube_Show8479]

It's a miracle that the plane missed that school. I mean can you imagine how many children and school staff could have died

[@felipedimas3551]

A little curiosity about that day, just earlier pior this accident, IN THE SAME DAY, another Fokker 100 from this very same company fell in a farm, the only fatal victim was a cow who was run over by the plane, this accident was overshadowed by Number One accident because it happend less than one hour from the previous flight.

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

Those sneak previews gave me the creeps. Another great video, Chloe. Keep it up!

[@fmnrbmbg9736]

Hey dude I love your videos,I think you should do a video talking about the Mamonas Assasinas crash that also happened in 1996 involving a Learjet 25D registered as PT-LSD near Guarulhos.

[@pikablue107]

Tiny FYI, the producer is a trans woman named Chloe, so use care with any gendered language

[@geraldo209]

Thank you so much, for covering one the worst air disasters in my country, i was 13 at the time and remember it very well. Today, as an airline pilot, i land at that same airport

[@dorian4534]

Pilot instinct vs engineering quirk/fault. That hits my heart hard every time.

[@Bobman84]

1996 was one of the worst ever years for aviation with several high profile plane crashes; including the world's worst mid-air collision.

[@RobsonWilliam82]

Thank you for remembering. I suggest you take a look in another TAM Fokker 100 accident, where a fuel leak forced the pilot to land in the grass of a farm. Everyone survived, but a cow perished in the landing. Keep the good job.

[@rosstheboss8633]

That was an MD80 I think, that is why my brazilian mom calls it the cow killer

[@RobsonWilliam82]

@@rosstheboss8633 TAM flight 3804 was a Fokker 100

[@rosstheboss8633]

ok@@RobsonWilliam82

[@mbryson2899]

Interesting video, thank you for making and sharing it. That airport reminds me of Midway Airport in my native Chicago, Illinois, USA. It is in the middle of a heavily populated and traveled residential and business area. Nothing like being stopped for a traffic signal on your motorcycle when an MD-80 at full takeoff thrust screams right over your head! The only louder sound I've ever experienced was an F/A-18 taking off from Monterey Int'l Airport in Monterey, California, USA. It had performed at a local airshow, and the pilot stood that beast on its tail, blasting us with amazingly loud thunder that went on and on.

[@cail171]

I lived across the street from Ohare in grade school for a few years. It would shake our home. I loved it because I love airplanes. But it's definitely super loud. I also believe there was a crash into that mobile home park years before that.

[@mickarimmanuelbelarmino777]

You should also check out Kish Air Flight 7170. Another Fokker aircraft crash which involves thrust reverses deployed in mid-air.

[@FizzleFX]

Air breaks only work in cartoons

[@vk2ig]

@@FizzleFX It depends on what the air breaks ... flying an aircraft sideways will result in a break (and subsequent crash) due to structural damage arising from the effect of aerodynamic forces.

[@ChelleC33]

Great presentation, as always. Looking forward to the next part of this story!

[@eliott.6997]

So after watching this video I did a little skim reading on the history of Fokker, notably on the 50 and 100, and I can already tell this deserves its own video. I hope we get to see a video on this in the future! Good work as always!

[@doubleucat]

You solemnly repeating "fokker" over and over again in the most serious tone will never fail to make me laugh. Can't wait for the next video, keep up the great work!

[@robbiebunge859]

There were a few times when it came closer to Fukker...

[@wyomingadventures]

It reminds me of the movie. Meet the Fokkers. I think there's four of those movies.

[@JoshCartman]

I had to pause a few times because I couldn't help but to laugh! 🤣

[@djmoch1001]

Blame the narrator's accent on that. I felt awful laughing at the pronunciation, given the harrowing content of this video about a tragic crash.

[@vk2ig]

@@djmoch1001 Most of the aviation world pronounces Fokker the same way the narrator does except for the USA where they pronounce it like "Folker".

[@ScallyWagJones]

This channel is high quality … we appreciate your hard work

[@AquaPrison]

You have one of the best voices on youtube. Your narration is perfect 👌🏻 Such a pleasure to listen to.

[@PointlessGunSyncs]

Since we are talking about Fokker, id recommend checking the Alianza Lima air disaster. Whole football team was wiped out with only the pilot surviving. Shook the whole nation and its still remembered to this day by the fans of said club.

[@SirWuffleton]

Love the way you structure the story delivery - emphasizing the key points of the background that play a critical role in the disaster without revealing the chronology and detail until the right moment. Though this is true of most of your content, I feel it's especially well represented in this video and it definitely makes for a more engaging experience on the viewer side. Keep up the great work!

[@newmexicanpersonwhoexists]

I’ve always wanted to know about this one! Thanks for covering it!

[@kristita_888]

An extra video! Go Disaster Breakdown! I had not heard of this crash. Thank you for detailing it. Have a great week!

[@irenetorkel2186]

I am always impressed by how well researched these videos are. The amount of detail provided is more than most full hour documentaries. I was hoping you would set up so I could just join but looks like I'll have to make my way to patreon.

[@ghakal007]

thx for bonus video this week , love the content

[@beccyvc5743]

Thx for your amazing work Chloe!

[@Jabarri74]

Awesome video as ever. I love the teaser at the end :) Keep up the great work

[@arandomthing2489]

Heyyyy, a Tuesday video! I remember this aviation disaster was the first one I watched on the smisthsonian air disaster tv show. I’ve kind of been expecting this one for a while! Love your videos Chloe :)

[@drezuniverze7405]

Two videos in one week‼️...loving it man Thank you for the informative video as always.

[@TirakyneTripleA]

What made me know about Congonhas airport is that it's the first base airport in Airline Commander. I remember almost overshooting the shorter runway in a BAE 146 lol. It was kinda difficult taking off from Congonhas's shorter runway with the BAE 146 in that game yk

[@glassofmilk101]

Oh? I wasn't expecting a video today, but it's always nice to see you :D

[@tdestroyer1882]

A good surprise to see a video on this day, it’s actually my birthday on Saturday so I’m excited to see what video comes out then, Amazing video with amazing quality as normal.

[@swivmustang]

Thanks for the vid!

[@Zantier]

Is this a gift for us? Wasnt expecting a tuesday upload, but i love your content so its great

[@jaki8739]

Well done on yet another great video

[@CherriNight]

Thank you for the bonus video!!

[@cheeseaddict3244]

I swear you’ll have 100k subs soon man keep up these crazy high quality vids

[@KiritheIndorapterfan]

Woah awsome video my friend keep up the great work my friend as always bro

[@ulysseslazakis2707]

great video as always man.You're like the david attenborough of disaster videos

[@spaceace1006]

Uncommanded deployment of reverse deflectors. While aloft. Without the Pilots knowing. Tragic.

[@LadyKenna]

Great vid as usual!

[@davidjma7226]

I flew on a Fokker 100 in Iran from Tehran to Isfahah a coupla years ago. The interior featured a lot of masking tape particularly holding the seat components together. Very smooth and quiet flight and I got there and back!

[@jaki8739]

Another great video twice in one week !

[@lmaozeroni]

Great video!

[@Gustavo.S.2000]

Heyy ive never been this early! Love the content DB!

[@bWitched96]

if our modern day vehicles can have a backup camera I don't see why commercial airliners can't have small cameras at fixed points around the plane (with monitors in the cockpit) just so the pilots can better cover their bases. How many cases have we seen now that involved crashes (or near crashes) that could've been immensely aided by the extra situational awareness that such cameras would've provided?

[@planeoldsimp272]

Thanks for the vid :) love ya

[@kemwilson2046]

Great Episode

[@markmonse5285]

The video about Air Ontario 1363 you allude to should be quite interesting, given the material you'll have to work with. Given thr organization turmoil at the Canadian TSB in the aftermath of the Arrow Air DC-8 crash, the TSB didn't investigate the Air Ontario crash. It was investigate by a judicial commission headed by a judge, and the ensuing investigation was far more detailed than any TSB or NTSB investigation I've ever seen, including expanded discussion of human factors and the effects of corporate culture. It also didn't help that the F28 type was ultra=sensitive to snow/ice contamination on leading edges. (USAir 405 at LGA was another example).

[@animegeek2488]

Surprised you posted a video today. I own the season of Air Crash Investigation (Air Disasters for the U.S. ) that this accident appears in

[@jessicahughes4883]

Fantastic video Chloe, the production value of these videos is so high and I really appreciate the depth of your research. Keep it up!

[@LuisFranciscoFontalvoRomero]

Such a cliff hanger at the end. Looking forward your next video

[@PEPcessna]

I think the main reason Fokker aircraft are found here in Australia is our climate. We dont often have to worry about snow and icing on our aircraft. As far as I am aware fokker aircraft had a susceptibility to icing causing in some cases loss of control. Since snowing isnt often here in Australia Fokker aircraft can thrive here. I see them almost on the daily flying overhead inbound for Perth.

[@topgun1457]

yeah just look at the Dryden disaster

[@vk2ig]

Also, airlines in Australia have operated Fokker aircraft previously (viz. F-27, F-50 and F-28) quite successfully without many hull losses or fatalities. The F-27 that went into the sea off Mackay resulted in fatalities, and VH-TQQ was lost on a training flight in the early 80s but didn't result in injuries or fatalities.

[@_lcfiorini]

Fokker 100 aircrafts were really popular in Brazil in the 90's, this accident affected this plane's reputation for the local public, which began to mistake this aircraft model as unsafe. I flew many times in this same company in the same planes in this same airport in the 90's without problems or concerns.

[@Yeldur]

An unusual video indeed on a Tuesday! Didn't expect that at all :o A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!

[@masculandw9454]

Always a great notification to receive!

[@patriciaramsey5294]

What a teaser. Please share the 'mystery' story about the other Fokker plane soon.

[@Lisa-oe1do]

One in a million sounds rare, but there were 38 million flights in 2019.

[@aisstunna2999]

A mid week video is highly appreciated :)

[@RRM13]

11:04 Congonhas is so small, in the middle of the city, with skyscrapers surrounding it, pilots describe as "landing & taking off from an aircraft carrier".

[@figuremeoutyourself]

i hate to call this a cliffhanger bc its like...real life stuff and deadly irl events at that but you've got me thoroughly interested in what's up with the Fokker planes?? also, completely unrelated but out of curiosity, would you ever do a video on helios flight 522? (if you have done a video on that and I'm just forgetting that would be so embarassing 😭) but it's such an interesting story with the flight attendent and attempt to regain control of the plane. anyways! great video as always, it's always a little exciting to get the notif for a new video.

[@seabasso6849]

here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGm7gYl-rsd6jJI

[@samfromprague2688]

Great jub , bless you.

[@feastguy101]

Jesus, what a nightmare. They never had a chance.

[@LouisOrangeCat]

It makes me tremble hearing the recording in my native language

[@crazycat10220]

BTW the wreckage of the fokker 28 at the end of the vid was air ontario flight 1363

[@adotintheshark4848]

caused by icing.

[@mickarimmanuelbelarmino777]

About Fokker, there are so many cases of crash in the F28 type regarding on icing.

[@truhhhhhhhokIII3]

Thats a fokking travesty they never did anything about that!

[@mickarimmanuelbelarmino777]

@@truhhhhhhhokIII3 They did something, but some of those crashes are caused by procedures being neglected. Another example of this is Kish Air Flight 7170, which is a reverser related incident. Aircraft manufacturer must take actions on the product, creating and modifying their aircrafts to fit the federal aviation administration's standards and regulations. But in the airlines or operators' side, they may sometimes negected or bypass the manufacturer's procedures on operating their aircrafts.

[@mikemortensen4973]

The F28 did not have leading edge slats that boost the lift over just the rear trailing edge flaps alone. I think the F28 crashes (one in Canada and one in NY LaGuardia) might have not have happened if they had leading edge slats. Makes a difference. The first series of the DC-9 (10 series) also lacked leading edge slats. And there was a DC-9-10 crash in Denver in snowy weather and I always thought that not having the slats might have prevented this tragedy too. The later DC-9 series 20, 30, 40 and 50 all had the slats, so maybe they learned their lesson.

[@nyxqueenofshadows]

a midweek surprise! shame i missed this yesterday but hey, it's not going anywhere! great video as always! looking forward to that fokker video when it comes out :)

[@JoePez]

A Tuesday upload? I like it

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

another great video, thank you madam

[@mikemortensen4973]

I flew on American F-100s several times in the early nineties. They were smooth and quiet planes!!! I flew on one from Newburg NY to Indianapolis when my dad passed away in early '91. And once again just to visit my family back there the summer of '92. American did not fly the F-100s for very long and they were the only airline in the US to fly it at all.

[@_lcfiorini]

Fokker 100 aircrafts were really popular in Brazil in the 90's, this accident affected this plane's reputation for the local public, which began to mistake this aircraft model as unsafe. I flew many times in this same company in the same planes in this same airport in the 90's without problems or concerns.

[@georgittesingbiel219]

I used to fly F100's to Colorado Springs. I never felt safe or secure in that plane, especially since flying in and out of the Springs was always so bumpy.

[@theaboy1152]

Did I See A Fokker 28 That Was Air Ontario Flight 1363 At The End? And The Same Happened To USAir Flight 405

[@bradsanders407]

That plane was a real Fokker

[@wyomingadventures]

Total Fokker. Every time he said Fokker I thought of the movie.

[@daveroche6522]

7:10 after LaudaAir 04, Boeing determined that an uncommanded activation of reverse thrust on the B767 resulted in 76%-78% loss of lift on the opposite wing.

[@palemale2501]

The first officer thought the first pull to the right was just the auto throttle cutting back the right engine - meanwhile with right engine at idle and captain using rudder it easily went wings level, whilst FO was doing the intuitive thing by increasing thrust again on the right engine, .. But when engine spooled up with the reverse thrust buckets deployed just on the right, he was making the plane slow down and slew hard to the right - the exact opposite of what he expected.

[@PassiveSmoking]

Whilst pilot error did technically contribute to this accident, it's difficult to really fault the pilots. The warning they got during the roll and the way the throttle moved misled them and they made what most people would consider a reasonable response to a situation where the right hand engine has gone to idle and the aircraft is yawing to the right. I'd imagine most competent pilots would have responded in a similar manner unless they knew specifically about the system that closes the throttle in the event of an in-air thrust-reverser deployment. Which leads to the conclusion that making pilots fully aware of a plane's systems can only make them safer pilots. In some ways there are a lot of similarities between this crash and the MCAS debacle. A safety system that the engineers saw fit to decide was not the pilots' concern ended up fighting against a pilot that wasn't aware of it, resulting in a crash.

[@isseihyoudou6733]

Disaster breakdown on a tuesday!? Yes please!

[@alexandreleite2541]

I remember being at work when this happened. We all stand in front of a tv set and watched live footage. There was a joke going around after that said: “ With TAM you arrive faster…” sad days for us in São Paulo.

[@gauthamsunil1780]

Also can you do Silkway 995 and Yemenia 626?

[@n8with8s]

My immature ass laughing every time he says Fokker

[@shinymonktouchymonk3662]

Wow, what a story !! Watched it 3X. Mark