A New Retro PC! A 3DFX Voodoo 3 Windows 98 Machine with ITX LLAMA

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Normally when we talk about new retro gaming hardware we are talking about MiSTer FPGA or what is MiSTer FPGA...but today we are talking about the ITX LLAMA, or the Itx-Llama if you like hyphens! A new retro PC that runs DOS and Windows 98 on period accurate hardware with 3D accelerator cards like a 3DFX Voodoo3 or a Nvidia TNT 2! So let's build it and discuss! Because suddenly the best retro gaming console is a NEW modern retro pc!
So let's do a Retro PC build with a 3DFX Voodoo3 card (or 3DFX Voodoo 3) because we want to talk about the best pc builds and new pc builds...for retro gaming and Windows 98 gaming!
and YES I know Doom isn't in the correct aspect ratio! It just looks better in the thumb lol
Questions? Comments? Just leave them below and I will do my best to answer each and every one of them!
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[@jd213_]

Glad to see someone making modern hardware for PC games from this period. Long shot, but I hope someone does something similar for X68000 and PC-98 someday.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

X68000 id love

[@SegaBoy8]

This definitely takes me back to my high school and early college days.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Early HS for me

[@RolandoMarreroPR]

Brings me back to 1999! I had an AMD K6 233 oc to 300 and an ATI Rage! Once I got the Voodoo 3 2000 PCI (no AGP port on my motherboard) all the games performed perfectly and fast! Later I jumped on the Celeron 366 and kept the Voodoo 3! Worked great for Ultra HLE and Bleem!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Good old Bleem! I remember it well

[@bpcgos]

PC is surely the only peripheral let you play any games from any era in modern machine

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

The Hexen 2 mouse issue is a Quake problem that modern gamers WHINE AND DENY existed, and it's NOT JUST THE MOUSE. Quake 1-2 always lowered resolution via gl_rounddown, and the gamma/intensity was INCORRECT OOTB, so there were DOS config tools to fix color in BOTH games. There IS NO DEFAULT SETTINGS ARE CORRECT OPTION. Quake 1 also supported transparent water, BUT the game files WERE NEVER PATCHED, so you had to DIY with some tool or be stuck using r_novis, which had a performance penalty. Quake 1 also did NOT have working full bright lighting effects in OpenGL, and IDK if that was ever officially patched in the original engine or Hexen 2, but there are source ports. You can argue the original Quake was meant to be run in DOS software mode, BUT this is absolutely not the case for anything past the original since all future games were PRIMARILY coded for 3dfx, and anyone saying otherwise IS A LIAR. Quake 2 also supported shadow effects that nobody knows even existed, because it was not enabled by default. Quake 2 also supported config scripting, so you could write your own mouse 2 zoom script. You were SERIOUSLY MEANT TO FIX AND CONFIGURE THE GAME MANUALLY back then. If you go back to DOS games, sound itself would NOT WORK unless you setup the sound card. Quake carried this philosophy, and is the reason why autoexec.cfg existed. You put your fixes in this text file. It was not designed to work perfectly ootb, it was designed for YOU to fix it.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The mouse thing is odd

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

@VideoGameEsoterica it is, but this is coming off doom. You can create autoexec.cfg and put +mouselook in it, or whatever the command is. Id wanted people to configure things themselves because there were too many systems to support, and there were NO standards. That's why Carmack liked GL. I get that it's jank, but you were meant to DIY, and no standards existed until half life. Half life wasn't super amazing besides creating the standard for all modern PC games. It wasn't graphically amazing, it was amazing for setting the bar. The cool thing about quake though was you could transfer your autoconfig to any quake game.

[@systemshocker2875]

That fly by makes me glad Epic gave the Ok to download this for free

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They were just flexing with that fly over

[@systemshocker2875]

@@VideoGameEsoterica absolutely

[@JDVHS]

Man, it took me years to build up five Win98SE PCs with soundblaster cards having the CH flight stick ports to play X Wing. Sorting through boxes and boxes of old stuff, testing parts, tracking down AGP graphics card drivers to the edge of the known internet!!....to my surprise, a little P2 750 with just 256mb ram runs X Wing the best out of all the other 4 higher spec Win 98s.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Funny how that happens. It’s a minefield when it comes to retro PC hardware

[@UberNeuman]

Those were the days. I jumped into PC gaming when Pentium and Win 95 first hit, so I missed out on the nightmare of getting things set up with the 386/486 era. lol. Still was a major pain building my first PC with all the bios and motherboard and isa cards configurations.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

My first PC was a 486 DX66 then I went to a Pentium II 450

[@Magicktech]

I can't wait until FPGA catches up to this era with a computer core. Hopefully it doesn't take 10 years.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

My guess is it does take ten years

[@Magicktech]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah, seems about right.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s a complex piece of silicon compared to what’s being replicated today

[@Magicktech]

@ I look forward to just a Pentium core with an FPU, honestly.

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

What REALLY needs to happen is Remanufacturing voodoo cards, because they're open source AFAIK. I'd like to see a "remaster" of windows 9x with a bug fixed OS and classic hardware.

[@Dealor-s1u]

I approve the cuttingboard underneath the motherboard and psu. Can't wait to get my ITX llama!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Cutting board case for the win

[@GreySectoid]

What a bomb of a video to drop on friday! This voodoo-era of PC gaming is still my favorite, the next step for these crazy retro-engineers would be to replicate 3dfx api on hardware :)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I bet in 5-10 years you’ll see FPGA Pentium (at least OG. Dunno about II/III) an an FPGA GPU

[@natese8406]

It'd be cool if something like 0mhz-dos was created for this so I don't have to fight with settings. With a standard "platform" like say an ITX LLAMA and Voodoo 3 there's the opportunity, but the adoption and hardware availability would probably have to be there.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It would be a great idea because yes you fight with the games just like you did back then because it’s truly a 1:1 experience

[@RobiBrock]

Dang dude just get a job and buy one. If you are that broke then just emulate them.

[@natese8406]

@RobiBrock Yeah, I'll emulate them on my 5090 then. Thanks for the free advice. Regards

[@robibennobi3775]

If the VoodooX ever comes to pass, I would consider jumping back in. The Voodoo 3 and 5 are going for a hefty price nowadays.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Card wasn’t cheap it’s true. But not as bad as I’d have thought. I put an offer in. It was accepted

[@niveketihw1897]

I ran UT99 in 2000 on a Voodoo5 5500 AGP and a huge monitor that could hit some ridiculous refresh like 130Hz. Lowest latency I'll ever experience (well, other than the DSL ping).

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

High refresh CRT can’t be beat

[@RyRyTheBassGuy]

Really wish it was a lot easier to get games of this era up and running correctly.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s just a hard era for that. Wasn’t easy back then and that remains the case

[@RyRyTheBassGuy]

@VideoGameEsoterica Oh, I definitely haven't forgotten about all the troubleshooting with drivers and such.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Plug and pray not plug and play 🤣

[@RyRyTheBassGuy]

@@VideoGameEsoterica No hardware T&L? Sucks to be you!

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

​@@RyRyTheBassGuyIt was never required or useful. Glide ran BETTER than T&L, Nvidia was marketing to its existing base. They disabled AGP and multitexturing on the TNT 2 via registry, unless you used rivatuner to fix it. T&L did absolutely NOTHING in any engine that didn't support it. Then GeForce continued to be a scam sold solely on tech demos. GeForce FX Dawn demo, card CAN'T run dx9 at acceptable FPS. You needed a Radeon to run real next gen games. Nvidia fans have always been cancer. Especially now when Nvidia is actually good, because Nvidia is price gouging.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

What a cool little PC!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s def a super fun project

[@Deutschland01]

Video game Esoooterica 😀 You're great man!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha glad you enjoy

[@Nuevo_El_Nagual]

More videos like this needed :)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

One more coming soon

[@rancid_]

I remember when Quake and Tombraider implemented opengl support to smooth out textures. Insane how far we have come.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s been fun to see it all unfold. From DOS games to current gen

[@Spacemutiny]

Playing Half-Life when it first came out was a game changer. You knew you were experiencing the start of a new era!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes compared to every other fps it has a totally diff level structure and story telling method. Well minus Killing Time on 3DO. That set the blueprint

[@Spacemutiny]

@ I had actually never played that game and I’m now going through the Remastered edition. Enjoying it!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Imagine that before Half Life. Gameplay that flowed from start to finish, full in game story telling. Also if you are playing KT Remastered look for me in the game. You can find me in the cemetery

[@Spacemutiny]

@@VideoGameEsoterica what what? So cool. I’ll keep an eye out!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s my real name. Think of a breakfast food. You’ll figure it out 😉

[@GiSWiG]

3:50 You need to shoot the green button on the ceiling. I did build a retro PC for the time, first with a P3 and Voodoo 3 3000 and one with a P3 Tualitin 1.4GHz (sp?) and a Quatro FX 3000 and Glide wrapper. These days, just don't have the room, 3dfx in DOSBOX works great and Unreal is actually darn good on Steam compared to a 3dfx card. Fun Fact: In Unreal Tornament, if you maxed all video settings, you'd hear the announcer say "HOLY SHIT"

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha didn’t realize on the first point or the last point

[@GiSWiG]

@@VideoGameEsoterica kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmfSdnWodr6irck

[@GiSWiG]

HOLYSHIT is also the name I gave my current PC built during pandemic. 5800X3D, 64GB RAM, 3070 Ti. Its not highend, no 3090 or Ryzen 9 but it was what I could get at the time and keep my kidneys and my wife.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ve got a 3080 Ti. Gets the job done. All it does is render and play MAME 🤣

[@bearonguitar]

This is extremely cool! I just wish it would be able to have a faster cpu clock frequency. I still might have to get one, maybe playing at 480p with a CRT or a Retrotink 4k would allow for good enough performance. I'm a bit spoiled as I used to have a Win 98 System with 700mhz and a Voodoo 5 as a kid. It would still not be able to play all games fluidly, I remember the game Giants was a slideshow at some points.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It def isn’t going to run the 2000ish games perfectly but for that Mid to late 90s 3D gaming experience it’s great. Plus with RetroTink 4K I can really make it look good

[@grandjjdx]

Llama Del Rey 👑

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤣 nice

[@GamerGee]

Test it with dos whiplash aka fatal racing 3d

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll see what I can do

[@jimkincaidz]

Also for anyone wondering, according to the Vogons forum for this it looks like the ATI Radeon 9200 or 9250 is the best 3D GPU and the Voodoo 2 is the best DOS GPU due to the bottleneck of the CPU. Although the Voodoo 3 our dude here is using could be a good compromise between DOS and 3D. They have not been able to get any NVIDIA cards to play nice.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The Radeon is the best and the cheapest but IMO lacks that 3DFX Glide charm

[@jimkincaidz]

@VideoGameEsoterica yeah exactly, that's why the Voodoo still has a place. They said the bottleneck makes a Voodoo 3 overkill though. But the 3 could give you an otherwise missing boost on Windows 98 that the 2 might be lacking. I don't think it hurts to have too much power as long as the feature sets are there

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s always a compromise but it’s a fun one

[@jimkincaidz]

@@VideoGameEsoterica 💯

[@federicocatelli8785]

Later vodoos are not 100% compatible with older glide games

[@Ragesauce]

Never played unreal/quake as a kid, we didnt have a PC but did have atari/nintendo. Eventually I got a PC for school and played unreal 2004 and really liked it.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Unreal was a classic. I wish they’d make more single player Unreal games

[@M1XART]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Unreal 2 was disappointing, though.

[@8bitnation419]

This looks really cool, building a Retro Mini PC is really difficult with old hardware, ATX is really your only option and then there is likely the need for replacing old failing capacitors and paying a premium on the parts themselves. There are barely any ITX motherboards available for Pentium 3 era and before. How good is the CPU performance? And how does it compare to something like the 1.4ghz Pentium 3 Tualatin?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes this is the best of both worlds. Modern hardware, retro GPU

[@ObiKKa]

The custom CPU on that llama board only simulates a 233 MHz Intel Pentium CPU. It's not really 500 MHz like it would be back then.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Running it at 500mhz still nets you better performance

[@mrpunjana4019]

How much for this majestic beauty and with the 3d printed case? Takes me back.😮

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

$300 plus whatever GPU you pop in

[@mrpunjana4019]

@ great thank you 🙏 also how does the group buy work? Like when you are on the list when the payment is due?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

You’d have to check with the organizers. This is a review unit sent to me so I don’t know how that works

[@Gorilla_Jones]

Crap, should have never sold my Obsidian dual Voodoo card PC. Myth the fallen Lords was my jam. Great gaming era.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It was a fun time in the late 90s / early 2000s to be a PC gamer. I’m glad I finally have the Voodoo card I always wanted now

[@DrGonzo-1337]

This might have already been said, but I bet your frame drops are more as a result of CPU and not the Voodoo 3. You'd mentioned the board is running around 500MHz but, in my experience, the V3 should scale well up to between 1.5 and 2GHz. You could confirm by running a Quake II timedemo at different resolutions and see where you start getting significantly lower frame rates. If they stay pretty static, it's CPU bound. If they drop off at higher res, GPU. I run my primary V3/3k on an Athlon XP @2GHz and FPS show a pretty linear drop as a raise resolution. My 2 cents anyway.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes it’s def being held back slightly by the CPU

[@M1XART]

PIII 733Mhz Should be enough for nineties.

[@ObiKKa]

The website or discord for this project said the custom CPU on that llama board only simulates a 233 MHz Intel Pentium CPU. It's not really 500 MHz like it would be back then.

[@monk3synuts]

Fractal Node 202 case? I have one from 2016. It would suffice. Use and external DVD drive or use a virtual drive and an .iso maybe? I remember buying Unreal when it came out and being wowed running it on my ATi Rage 128 😂. Them were the days...

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m still looking at cases. Nothing has hit yet

[@miguelcarneiro1192]

Very very cool concept

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s been a ton of fun so far

[@miguelcarneiro1192]

@VideoGameEsoterica I would love to have one of those boards myself, so i can bring back to light those amazing games and grafic cards we had back then

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Def worth picking one up

[@miguelcarneiro1192]

@@VideoGameEsoterica For sure, right now the batch 2 is sold out. When the next batch will be availeble i will consider getting one. Regards my friend

[@dataterminal]

You definitely need to get a retro style full tower, beige colour with at least six 5.25" bays.... but get this, have it 3d printed at 1/5 the size, so it looks like a retro massive tower mini PC. Then you can use a custom backplane to mount the PC inside. Should be printable on most 3d printers given the squreish designs of cases back then.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha no way I’m putting it in my house. It’s gotta fit in

[@SegaBoy8]

Where do we get one of these? I'm not seeing the link.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Their discord has a waiting list

[@josteinkallevik]

Not shure if it helps in games, but you should try to run windows 98 with an ssd trough the sata connection, the SD card is fine for DOS gaming but under windows you should use sata. Interesting to see if that helps on games, but I guess it only helps on loading times.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I tried SSD. Really was par in games

[@M1XART]

I felt so cheated when Microsoft dropped DOS -support in order to force gamers to forgot their old PC -games in favor for XBOX. I sure would like to have this piece of hardware.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

One day DOS existed. Then it was gone

[@drdroop2163]

When can I get a new/recreated AWE32 and Voodoo 3? Would be an amazing retro setup!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I don’t know that a new voodoo3 exists

[@Japheigod]

Are you running this to a CRT VGA?

[@Japheigod]

Sorry asked this question before the end of the video.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

For capture no. For playing myself yes

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@Japheigod haha it happens

[@JayrosModShop]

What is the Pi Zero being used for that the 486/Pentium module can't handle?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s for MIDI

[@superviewer]

Are there any games from that era that still has active servers for multiplayer? Like Unreal Tournament? That could be fun and a reason to get a setup like this. I never had a Voodoo card back in the day. Just one that supported OpenGL.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Fan servers yes. Most of those games are still kept alive by fans

[@hideokojimajr]

Heads up, I don’t think risers are recommended by the original creator of the board. Hopefully you don’t get trashed in the discord server for this! 😅 I also grabbed a voodoo3 for when my llama arrives. Looks like all the affordable ones are in Eastern Europe lol.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

lol nobody trashes me. They better now

[@Imgema]

Hmmm, both Unreal and Quake 2 run much faster on my Voodoo 3, most likely because i have it hooked on a Pentium 3 PC. The original Pentium was pretty slow for the Voodoo 3 so it's a bottleneck.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Well yes a Pentium III will run it faster

[@nicoful86]

Damn, in didn't know about hexxen 2

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Such a good game

[@Wobble2007]

I really want one of these, not available to buy yet sadly, will get one asap, I'd bang a Yamaha DB60XG wavetable module on it (Roland SC-55 level module but better), picking a GPU is a little tricky as the AGP isn't a proper AGP slot afaik, it's actually a 66Mhz converted PCI to AGP 1X wired slot, which is why only GPU's with PCI variants work, so I'd probably go for a ATI Radeon 9100, which is just about the most powerful GPU it will support, ATi Radeon DirectX 8.1 cards had better rendering quality than Nvidia GeForce DirectX 8.1 cards, they also have really good custom Omega drivers, with some nice image quality & performance options, higher FPS and rock solid support for older games, making it the perfect choice perhaps. Though I'd love to stick a 3DFX, especially one that can do 3DFX super sampling (RGSS), still the highest rendering image quality for early Windows 98 games, RGSS spanks Nvidia, ATi (though they had really nice IQ) and PowerVR, even Matrox, those super clean crispy 3D graphics look so darn good on a nice CRT monitor with 32-Bit colour, whether it 480p for the scanlines, or 1200p for the higher fidelity (the arcade cabs of the time used RGSS with multiple 3DFX chips for those way ahead of their time rendering quality & graphics), the FPS will suffer at 1200p on a Voodoo, probs best to stay under 720p (1080x720p for 4:3 CRTs), 3DFX Voodoo cards are pricey now days, so that 9100 might be the better choice, will have much higher FPS for later Win98 games, despite the lack of RGSS, will still look superb, ATi standard AA implementation was pretty good tbf (their SSAA tanked FPS), either way, super-sampling is a great way to get the most fidelity from classic 3D games on PC.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

You can get on the batch waiting list on the llama discord server too

[@Wobble2007]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah I did msg the main guy to get on the waiting list bruv, cheers, though personally I much prefer buying gear from a retail store of some kind, like Amazon, so I can easily send it back if there are issues etc, but were see. There is also the Pixel X86 which looks cool.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yeah this is more of a hobby project vs a product so it’s a bit more homespun. But a fun community around it

[@KhalidYousif87]

@@Wobble2007 The Pixel X86 is an unauthorized copy of the TinyLlama2, if you would like something similar in form, I suggest waiting for the TinyLlama3 which will contain PicoGUS and 3dfx chip, Eivind is working on getting it done this year! :)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Nice

[@stubby5510]

I want one of those boards so bad. There’s a game called Sierra Trophy Bass 2 I used to play on our home Windows 95 PC that is CPU speed limited that I cannot for the life of me to get to work properly on emulation.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Emulation of this era is so hard. Just requires so much fiddling.

[@alejandrocanadasgomez8701]

Did you try PCem/86box? 99% of my child games runs great whit this method.

[@MarkCurtis-u6o]

You can still put together a workstation using original boards/memory/CPU for pretty cheap. Socket 370 p3's are very affordable with stable boards

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes the nice thing is we have options

[@Vridek]

I am a lover of "Trophy Bass" games but it is impossible to install the original Trophy Bass 1 and 2 on DX and EX processors. It always ends up crashing the system. You need to find a RIP version.

[@DefaultUsername0001]

🎉🎉🎉

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Finally got my Voodoo 3!

[@DefaultUsername0001]

@ This would give me a reason to dig mine out of storage. That was the first graphics card I ever got.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Def do it

[@nathanddrews]

Now run UltraHLE! :D

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha I almost did

[@ihsan_lol]

It's really really neat but woof, that $300 price tag is definitely very steep and I'm having a hard time justifying it especially since I have several retro PCs already + so many other ways to play retro PC games on modern systems, I just don't see the value prop in that high price tag, unfortunately.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s not cheap but for what it does the price seems appropriate

[@federicocatelli8785]

Considering you can play lots of these classics on modern hardware (thx to Gog).....

[@ObiKKa]

VGE, you must remember the custom CPU on that llama board only simulates a 233 MHz Intel Pentium CPU. It's not really 500 MHz like it would be back then.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Running it faster still provides some improvements

[@METR0lD]

So does this PC spit on you the same way llamas do!?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Only if the caps leak 🤣

[@draketungsten74]

I don't play anything in 4k or 8k, lol.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

But hilariously I get all these camera shots at 6K then put them into a 1080p timeline

[@srvuk]

But all this stuff is already playable under emulation. And very expensive too. Looks like a toy that will end up on the e-waste piles once it has spent the obligatory time in the closets and cupboards gathering dust.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I have no issues with options being available for every price tier and use case

[@MrTwoZZT]

I like this but not sure about buying it after what the Vogons community has done to the MT32-Pi project developer, essentially bullying the guy into giving up working on it. Dont really want to support these people and their projects.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I don’t believe this project has anything to do with that. It was just on the same forums

[@KhalidYousif87]

RetroDreams is not affailated with VOGONS in any capacity, and I'll personally donate money to Dale from the sales of the RPi0 that we had through RetroDreams to reward him for his work.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

👍

Speak low, you speak very fast , read a previous text?

[@Konic_and_Snuckles]

How do you feel this compares to something like the Pixel x86, which uses a CPU Vortex X86DX (or X86EX) SoC?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haven’t tried it yet so really can’t say

[@KhalidYousif87]

The Pixel X86 is an unauthorized copy of the TinyLlama2, if you would like something similar in form, I suggest waiting for the TinyLlama3 which will contain PicoGUS and a 3dfx chip, Eivind is working on getting it done this year! :)

[@Konic_and_Snuckles]

@@KhalidYousif87 Good to know! I'll research this further.

[@steevywonda5320]

the price is OVERKILL for no reason

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The component cost is not inexpensive

[@mastershakelock]

I miss the 90s retro gaming era so much. No woke agenda's or creating a title for a fast cash grab, just pure creation taking it to the limit of the hardware avail at the time. Wish I knew more about this project months ago. Looks like they'll be sold out a good while until batch 3. Could you link us to the the wait list page if still avail? Just says sold out. Edit - NM found the discord.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes the wait list is on discord

[@8bitnation419]

Games like Duke Nukem and Serious Sam couldn't be made today.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They are still making serious Sam? lol

[@RobiBrock]

@@8bitnation419 They make full porn games on Steam now. What are you going on about? LMAO, and games are way more violent than they have ever been. I swear most of you have no idea what you are talking about.

[@mastershakelock]

I enjoy all types of games, retro and modern. Although I don't believe anyone could argue the industry has recenlty been used to push propaganda that has no place in gaming. You shoulld spend more time playing more of your favorite modern games like Dragon Age failguard rather than picking fights with strangers you know nothing about and wouldn't dare have the courage to speak with anywhere else but online.