A NEW ZELDA GAME!? - The Dudes are BACK! | Zeldudes Podcast #5

[@pablojoel3217]

Welcome back, guys. Hope all of you are doing well. Don't give up, never change who you are no matter what, and keep up with the grinding. We love and admire you guys.

[@ZeldaLore]

6:00 The Light world mountain in the Japanese version of ALTTP was actually called Mount Hebra / Hebra Mountain, same with ALBW. They were also going to call Death Mountain in OOT Both Death Mountain and Hebra early on, but cut it. This is the OOT Beta dialogue for it: “Hey kid, you see that mountain over there? That's Mount Hebra... Also known by the name Death Mountain, it's a volcano inhabited by the Gorons.”

[@toni_veganactivist]

Sooooo...you're gonna continue the playthrough of Ocarina of Time?🙂

[@travisfrench4708]

Did you watch the video?

[@magikarpmann]

1:14:45 they start talking about it here

[@Zeldudes]

WE'RE BACK!

[@The_Gamer1567]

Let’s go!

[@HerooftheWild]

Glad to know you're back, had to check my subscriptions to make sure I was still subscribed

[@sirreginald1414]

Welcome back.

[@cia8336]

Yay! Welcome back!

[@KingCarxler]

Wanna see more podcasts!

[@kirotarakai]

I expect traditional dungeons to return because of the areas we see in the trailers, and I think that these will work because of two primary reasons: 1. The echo ability is much more limited than the runes in the Wild era games, as there is a limit to how many items you can spawn (reflected in how many triangles are trailing Tri at a time). Thus, echoes will be less able to break puzzles, and we will have a greater puzzle-solving capacity as we expand our echo limit. Echoes are interesting, but (fortunately in this case) they have their limits. We will still be able to accomplish absurd feats, but hopefully we will be less able to straight-up break the game. 2. Because of how the echo mechanic works, dungeons could be able to introduce new and unique echoes that could serve in a way as "items." I do hope that EoW still has traditional items, but, if it does not, echoes introduced in dungeons could serve as a functional substitute. We could copy tools we acquire elsewhere and use them in the overworld and in future dungeons. This would honestly add an unnecessary level of complexity to utilizing items, but it would still work. With all this said, I will mention that the echo mechanic makes me worried that EoW will have the same enormous problem as TotK: too much time spent sorting through menus and out of the action.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

1:19:33 - I think it might be nicer to wait a bit for the EoW playthrough to allow people chance to play it for themselves (might hurt viewer numbers and engagement if people put off watching your playthrough until after they’ve finished playing it themselves), allow you both time to poke around and find cool details you can showcase, and so it’s less likely to get lost amidst a bunch of other EoW vids that’ll likely pop up at the same time.

[@Norleon777]

Agreed!

[@gaelonhays1712]

Also agreed!

[@pezao143]

Completely agreed!

[@AFire0utside]

This is a great point, as much as I would be excited to watch.

[@sarahg4327]

I like the casual format. I tend to listen to podcasts when I’m driving, working out, cleaning so minimal editing is no problem. I think the worst thing I could happen is this becomes a chore to evil and you want to stop doing it. Keep it fun and light! Were here for it!

[@Staniel08]

I honestly love the "just chillin" vibe more. All the editing with the green screen and everything was just too much, this is much much better. I also like that the volume on the music is lower in this one.

[@ShepherdsCreek]

As a woman, I LOVE that the first game we play as Zelda is done with this art style! I hope it covers some dark topics which will be a lot less scary because of the art style. I love the style regardless though. It's so cute and I'm confident that Nintendo will deliver an awesome Princess Zelda no matter what the story is.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

26:33 - have we had a game with ‘Courage’ in the title yet? If not, what if this is the first of a trilogy of games that can be linked akin to the Oracle games, and we’ll get an Echos of Courage where we play as Link and an Echos of Power where we play as Ganon. And maybe that’s why the framing of Link and Ganon in the art for this game makes them look a bit like buddies; it’s not because as some have speculated that Link will be mind controlled or the like, it’s because all three TriForce bearers will have to come together and team up to defeat a Big Bad that opposes all of them? 😉

[@iCrowLink]

I'd be fine with them 'teaming up' temporarily to fight whatever this'll be, because they have no other choice. I just hope they don't try to make us sympathize with Ganon, there's some people/beings that are so evil that making us try to sympathize with them is straight up insulting, and Ganon is one of them. 😂

[@sirreginald1414]

Finally. I can furnish boss rooms.

[@chrislevack405]

3 snaps in Z formation

[@Bobby-Dingers]

Who'd of thought, building a bridge made of beds being the evolution of Zelda.

[@RainbowLove487]

😂😂😂

[@lordnul1708]

My hypothesis, Link's sword in Echoes of Wisdom is a redesign for the Magical Sword from the original Zelda.

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

I haven't seen anyone mention this about the game, but if you were looking for more links to BotW/TotK, it appears to have a dedicated jump button! They show her jumping in the overworld very prominently, but it's more of a regular hop, not the Link's Awakening somersault Link does with the Roc's Feather, so I assume it's part of the designers' promotion of player freedom, in the same vein of the open air 3D titles

[@PinkPudding-eo9wv]

As a complete Zelda nerd since the 90s, I love listening to you guys. Keep it up!

[@ShadowWizard224]

It would be interesting if this channel had more debate topics where ZeldaMaster, Zeltik, and other guest appearances can come together and debate hot topics surrounding the Legend of Zelda series!!!

[@stygimoloch]

So glad to see you guys back, hope there’s no more PC failures!

[@TrueWolves]

I could see a Ganondorf game could hark back to his sorcerer king status. Collecting both destructive spells and weapons and using those instead of tools or summons to complete objectives with an emphasis on the destructive, explosive, or impressive power of these abilities. That they're "innate" instead of a tool or an object fits Ganon quite well.

[@chrislevack405]

Nintendo will literally never let you play as the enemy. Show me a "Bowser" game, then I will believe you.

[@TrueWolves]

@@chrislevack405 okay cool, missing the point of a hypothetical to try to start an irrelevant argument. I'm still curious, does anyone else have any ideas on how a Ganon-focused game could function in a LoZ like format but distinct from Link or Zelda's playstyles?

[@chrislevack405]

@@TrueWolves name a game where you play as the bad guy. Nintendo will never do it. Your hypothetical is a massive waste of time. Stop.

[@TrueWolves]

Lol, okay "dont have fun" guy. Short answer: Wario Long Answer: Depending on how semantic you wanna be, you can ignore all the games where Bowser joins the party (RPG, the Kart/Party/Sport/Smash games), Ignoring games with multiple protagonists that include villians (Hyrule warriors, F-Zero, Kirby Return to Dreamland, Kirby Superstar Ultra, Starfox Assault, etc) or countless games with hero/villian paths, we have Lego DC Villians, and if it has to be a main series Nintendo villian, Wario started as a final boss for Mario and has never done better than as a petty greedy robber even in games where he's the main or only player character.

[@TrueWolves]

Wario is a pretty good example of "same genre, different style" His games often involve platforming like Mario's do, but with a heavy focus on Wario's durability and insatiable greed in ability and level design instead of Mario's more jump or animal themed abilities and end focused goals like saving Peach.

[@GameCatastrophe]

They’re back!

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

1:24:22 - so where does Tunic fall in the Zelda timeline? 😉

[@TriforceLiz]

I couldn't stop looking between the Majora's Mask collectible in ZM's background, and the epic drawing of the smiling dude with the backwards cap in Zeltik's background 😅 Re: what we'd like to see- I do like the casual vibe for sure, and I love the idea of seeing non-mainline let's plays on this channel. I'm personally going to hold off watching any spoiler play of Echoes of Wisdom until I have a chance to beat it myself.

[@taniafontanez9792]

Sooooo happy yall are back!!! This was so fun to watch and hearing you guys go back and forth just gives me life! 😂 I’d personally would LOVE to see you guys do a BLIND Let’s Play together!! Kind of explore everything for the first time together because I LOVED yalls reactions to the news on the Direct. Something to think about?? 😬🙏🏼💚

[@YRProcks66]

Love the new podcast visual style, it's nice being shorter and casual! Also it would be great to watch you guys play echoes of wisdom

[@RainbowLove487]

I appreciate this conversation. I love how excited you both are about the franchise as a whole, but also echoes of Wisdom. I'm looking forward to watching the next part of oot play thru!!

[@drewsteroni6440]

As far as a day-one Echos of Wisdom LP goes, I probably won’t watch it until I beat the game for myself. If you want to do it though, feel free! Glad you dudes are back!

[@MrsDizarky]

I'm so happy you guys are back! I'm not picky at all about the production truthfully. If you wanted to keep it casual with just natural backgrounds instead of the green screen, I'm not fussed at all. Or if you just don't feel like being on camera and want to do the avatars, that works, too! I think as long as you guys are enjoying the process and the conversation, we will as well. I think it'd be fun to have a rotation between the timeline playthroughs, the spin offs/one shots, the more casual sit down and talks like this one, and the occasional guest debate/theory discussion would be awesome. The lego build also sounds very fun! Honestly, just the two of you and any form of Zelda content and I'm happy! 💚

[@torig6574]

So glad it was only technical issues. I love both of your channels individually and together. I love the podcasts and the let’s plays. The new game should absolutely get a let’s play when it comes out!

[@lordnul1708]

I personally enjoyed Cadence of Hyrule (and found it easier than the original Necrodancer, oddly enough). Plus iirc Cadence of Hyrule had an easy mode that turned off the rhythm mechanic, while Necrodancer only had that for one character (the Bard). That said, the gbc games did let you charge a spin attack, use the jump item and then use the spin attack midair.

[@jiographic]

i think this art style can also give them a way to sort of test the waters with playable zelda before going straight into a big open world format

[@Puni_Master]

Seeing it’s a sequel to Links Awakening (which had great dungeons) I’m certain we’ll get to see some cool new dungeons in this game. Can’t wait for it to come out!

[@travisfrench4708]

In regards to Echoes of Wisdom, I think you guys should either wait at LEAST like…2 weeks to at least give people a chance to play it on their own and find hidden things and experience it for themselves first. The other option I think is, I’m SURE we can all agree tnis game goes somewhere on the downfall timeline? Maybe wait until you get to the end of the downfall timeline, then discuss where you think it takes place? Just spitballing here. Either way I’d love to hear your guys thought on where you think this game takes place now, based on what little we’ve seen. Do you guys think it takes place after Links Awakening? Is this a brand new Link and Zelda? I’m really interested to hear your thoughts on this games timeline placement!

[@rasheedsanders1067]

Good luck getting one of those Bandai Master Swords. I'm hope the aftermarket prices won't be too insane.

[@ALstar_arts]

So glad that you’re guys are back! I really like the minimal feel of this video, feels sleek and professional. I’m hoping that Echoes of wisdom has some traditional elements and bringing new features into the 2d styled games. I kinda wished that Totk brought some elements or ideas back from the classic formula. As for a day one play-through I think it would be best to wait on that one just because everyone would be avoiding spoilers and whatever else from the game.

[@Lafinout]

My theory for the hood on Zelda is because of the absence of Link. Link is probably known across Hyrule as the person who deals with stuff like that. So I think the hood is to make, on a quick glance, that it is Link not Zelda to give the every day people hope.

[@ynnekb1787]

I’m more of a podcast guy, but let’s plays are fun too. So I love a variety! Also I’m only gonna get one lego set but I’ll be rebuilding it over year in each style lol

[@emily_ferre]

so good to see you guys again!! hoping for even more content again! keep it up!

[@Zerolink30]

My theory on the Zoras' is that in every Timeline, the Zora have a Civil War. This causes the 2 variants, Green River Zora (sweet water fish) who changed over decades of only leaving in the River, and the typical Silver Zora (sweet/salt water fish), who at that point live in the Sea. On every Timeline, the "Great Flood" happens, and it is the River Zora who evolve into the Rito as Salt water takes the world. Eventually, the Silver Zora regain control of Zora's Domain since the River Zora left to now live in a peak.

[@kenziichannel]

When you see the way the elements of the world that get swallowed up by the purple void (?) get distorted within it, I wonder if the same happened to link’s sword and that’s why it’s similar in colour but looks different. It looks like a broken/distorted version of the one he has at the beginning. Just an idea, tho.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

54:58 - I don’t think she really needs a companion character to talk for her to have her be a silent protagonist; in games where Link doesn’t have a companion, or in the Pokemon games to take another silent protagonist series as further examples, it’s telegraphed that Link (or the trainer in Pokemon) does talk, it’s just that we the players just don’t get to hear what they say aside from dialogue choices or the few occasions an NPC parrots back to us what Link/trainer has said. As such, the same can be applied to Zelda in this and any future game she’s the playable character in. A better question is whether we’ll get to see/hear Link speak.

[@samathy42]

Hyped to hear you're fans of Tunic, what an amazing game! Curious if either of you got into Animal Well recently as it has even more in depth secrets than Tunic

[@DominiqueGendronLanglois]

Are you ever going to get back to Spotify? It was really convenient. I'm happy you are back, this was a great and invested episode. I love your contagious passion.

[@cnynhz8897]

so happy to see you guys back!!! looking forward to seeing some Dudes Talking About Zelda. i'm curious to see if you'd be doing individual playthroughs of Echoes and then coming together with each of your unique perspectives here?

[@teina123]

Arrhh....yes patiently waiting ✋️ 😌

[@johnsonhansen233]

What if this game is where all the timelines converge leading to the BOTW combined timeline. The rifts could be the timelines colliding.

[@Matty_Meister]

Yeah let’s see an Echoes of Wisdom let’s play! It’ll be good for the channel! Also, you guys should do tier lists, rankings, debates, etc. surrounding Zelda content. Cheers!

[@philosophicaljay3449]

49:00 "Zoras from different timelines" Except, they aren't. Both Sea and River Zora appear in the Downfall Timeline (Oracle of Ages alone shows this), Child Timeline (Sea Zora in Twilight Princess and River Zora in Four Swords Adventures), and Adult Timeline (Sea Zora as Rito and River Zora as Geozards).

[@SamWetherden]

A lot easier to digest in this format, great work keep it up! Look forward to your future plans.

[@jdawg1034]

Just keep playing the games and we will keep comin back ;-). Glad you guys are back

[@annamae4761]

Glad to see you both back👍 I was excited but also not since I’m not the craziest fan of the chibi art but it’s growing on me and am getting excited again.

[@joeyrizzo985]

Yessss. I was a little worried but I figured after Nintendo direct

[@itspastmybedthyme]

So good to have you both back!

[@dylanrutherford4425]

I have a nerd shrine but it's with Seto Kaiba and Blue eyes white dragon from Yugioh. Happy to hear you guys are back! I am happy Luke's computer is ok now to lol.

[@AtlasBear_007]

You can do a jumping spin attack for sure in Link's Awakening. Both in HD and Gameboy edition. Just giving the heads up. :)

[@The_Gamer1567]

They are back!

[@Schnnevi]

Lets go, it feels like a year

[@Pixelguy9]

Jumping spin-attacks are possible in the Link's Awakening Remake (Can't wait for this game!).

[@jcallz]

I would love to see you guys do a play through of Echoes of Wisdom. It’ll be fun to see how others approach an obstacle than how I might. Even if it breaks up OoT recordings.

[@michaeldeo6528]

I think it’d be cool to see you guys play Echoes of Wisdom together but on your own consoles so you can each experiment with the new echo ability. I’m sure there will be near infinite ways to get through the game!

[@thegrenninja14]

Welcome back to the land of the living gents, Nice hair cut Luke!

[@Norleon777]

1:22:50 I'd love seeing more content like that! It's chill

[@waluigigames1343]

I Definitely think you should play echoes of wisdom while the hype is still up!

[@waluigigames1343]

Also I really like the new podcast format

[@jazzyfaye6976]

could the zora thing be like when sidon's wife said that she wasn't from zoron's domain?

[@NightSpeed458]

Idk if I’m excited for The legend of Zelda echoes of wisdom to be honest, and before someone puts a hate reply for saying this my reasoning is because I really wanted either a Wind Waker and Twilight Princess Port for the switch or a new 3D Zelda game all together and don’t get me wrong I love the old school 2D games for Zelda but eh and I feel like the release date is too rushed

[@JamesDevereuxWebber]

It wouldn’t surprise me if it started out as a remake of the Oracles. A Link Between Worlds started out as a remake of A Link to the Past so there is a precedent.

[@Meryto1]

By the way, i believe the unedited version of the podcast was really cool! It was nice to see both of your backgrounds and rooms instead of the green screen and zelda effects you used.

[@pezao143]

I would rather wait a while to watch you guys playing 'Echoes of Wisdom'. The main reason being that, with time, you will be able to provide much more insight regarding easter eggs and extra lore content.

[@iluvphillip13]

Has anyone considered Zelda's blue hood may give her certain powers or "memories" of Link's abilities? Maybe it's a bit of an "echo" of the Minish Cap? I'm still in the beginning of watching this video, but I haven't yet heard others talk about this.

[@bbkricks]

The new podcast setup looks real slick and professional 👌

[@litfilms_7]

Luke!! Love the new hair! You’re both killing it

[@Mossbergg]

THEY ARE BACK BABY LETS GOOOOOO

[@HaruVibes_]

Missed the cosy vibes. So happy to see yall back!

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

14:52 - plot twist, it’s Mogma. 😝

[@RainbowLove487]

😂

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

8:01 - wasn’t there the option to turn the rhythm element off, so it just became about planning your moves ahead to be able to avoid/attack enemies? Or at least I could’ve sworn there was in the demo version. 🤔

[@84LBB]

It's an option

[@Chenedawg]

At first I was like, whoa, no longer they took so long to post, they had to get together in person to record! Then I realized it was just how they edited it lol

[@Rubymagicalgirl88]

I personally liked in the DX Links Awakening manual, You got the anime art. So my mental image was of that art style not what was presented due to the limitations of the hardware.

[@orikku]

We are so back

[@EchosOfWhiterun_5555DocOfStyle]

ZelDudes: It's great to see you guys come *BACK* and I'm glad that the PC has started *WORKING* again. Here is an interesting idea that I thought you guys might enjoy... How about a blind run *LiveStream* of the brand new game where we get to see your *GENUINE REACTIONS* because you haven't already played on your own just yet and all of us get to *EXPERIENCE* the fun of the unknown together!!! It was just a thought that I had, so welcome back and I can't wait to see what else you guys have cookin' in the future.... ~ JonseyG 👲💖 Btw: I will be getting the *Membership* back soon, but it's just taking a little time!!!

[@Werewolf914]

I would love to see a Zelda thats got a super Dark Fantasy art style, not photo real but like Twilight Princess but darker and spookier

[@ggbetz]

Did you guys notice Links back to being left-handed? As The Goddesses intended!

[@amandahurley]

Yessss!!! So happy you’re back!

[@austinbrown3905]

So great to have y’all back!!

[@joshuajohnson1796]

Would totally like to see you guys play echos of wisdom!

[@joshuajohnson1796]

Had no idea you guys were doing this! So glad I found this channel and podcast

[@Linkskyfyre]

Great guess, it probably is the Triforce of Wisdom sentient, a callback to the TV series.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

11:28 - surely that depends on the political relations between Hyrule and the Gerudo? Maybe this is during a time when the Gerudo are at war with Hyrule, in which case she’d very much need to sneak in. 😉

[@LosDStoNerd]

Ayyyyeeee letsgooo we back baby!!!

[@iCrowLink]

I'd be fine with a Ganon game so long as he stays evil, so basically you'd be playing as the bad guy. The recent trend (idk if it's actually all that recent now that I say it) of making the bad guys seem: 'not all that bad' is weird to me. 😂 They're doing it with Star Wars Acolyte now, making the Jedi out to be the bad guys and make you sympathize with the Sith, it's so silly because they're supposed to be the physical manifestations of good vs evil. So if there's a Ganon game make us try to take over Hyrule or something. Or if it's a 'teaming up' situation then make it clear they're only teaming up because they literally have no other choice and after it's done we're right back to fighting each other. 😋

[@kaitlynblount7683]

It's an alternate dimension and multi dimensions are very much like "echos" very similar but with slight differences.

[@themissionslayer]

This episode doesn’t show up on Spotify 😢

[@toucheverything3982]

Leeeeeeets f*ckin gooo!

[@GenMars]

jumping spin attack is in triforce heroes

[@hillybeverly2653]

Bdsp- the Pokemon game that looks like Zelda Links Awakening Legends Arceus - the Pokemon game that looks like Zelda Breath of the wild

[@kylewhite4984]

Maybe you could try UndyingNephalim’s Hyrule Total War, or Hyrule Conquest at some point

[@cristianmedina1416]

Some might say the Breath of the Wild of the 2D Zelda games.

[@sa3270]

Now I want a game where we play as Ganondorf.

[@DemetePapi-hq6zj]

Using zm logic, breath(of the wild), echoes(of wisdom), roar(of power). Ig it makes sense, I wouldn't be upset in the slightest either way. Keep the awesome content guys. 🗿👍

[@wizardtoad7459]

Why do I keep hearing the Wand of gamelon map theme that siivagunner did in echoes of wisdom videos lmao 💀

[@sa3270]

Yeah I think the sword design will change as it is upgraded.

[@jeffcross9960]

if they do a Gannondorf game... it should be about Ganondorf fighting aginst the influince of Demise...

[@sa3270]

I wonder if it will have an anime intro like Link's Awakening.