A One-Year Update on Edison Motors | Everything Electric Canada 2024

One year after meeting for the first time, Sandy reunites with ‪@EdisonMotors‬ CEO Chace Barber at Everything Electric Canada 2024 to see the progress Edison has made since last year's show.
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[@briansilver9652]

"I'm just the truck guy"...right...He knows every nut and bolt that went into that rig.

[@zipp5398]

That means he’s just a truck guy of the old, or an old-time truck guy because I remember my grandfather telling me truck drivers used to know every nut bolt that went into the rig in the old days and how everything worked😊

[@Matt_K]

I've been following Edison through YT shorts and I absolute love what they're doing; it makes me wish I didn't have a silly office job but worked with guys like these. I hope and pray they succeed and prove to all other truck manufacturers that planned obsolescence is bs.

[@Nphen]

If they ever do crowd funding, like the company Aptera did, they will need an army of investors to put up a few thousand dollars each for share vouchers.

[@Gunter_Custom]

​@@Nphen It will never happen for these guys .. they really have no ambition . Or connections to get funded or into mass manufacturing.. 😂😂

[@johnarnold893]

@@Gunter_Custom To just build that first total custom truck took a whole lot of ambition. They will do just fine. Like Sandy said, a vacuum will be filled.

[@Gunter_Custom]

@@johnarnold893and it took them ten years. They will never go any where.. There are a ton of diyers in North America who have converted vehicles to electric on their own .. This is not as hard as they are making it

[@pipestress1]

The most impressive thing I heard was that all Scania Tier 4 Final engines are able to meet emission standards without the need of a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).

[@HourRomanticist]

In sure that's a dream for maintenance

[@Daddo22]

Well, having to keep up with the European emission regulations, they're 10-15 years ahead to their strictly NA competition, plus the much higher price of fuel in Europe pushes manufacturers to make more efficient engines. I'm glad Edison Motors trucks are going to have top-tier engines and Scania seems like an awesome business partner from what Chace has told us about them so far.

[@stephenkramme7063]

@@Daddo22 Excellent observations. I would be curious for any explanations why American manufacturers cannot meet regulations without exhaust treatment. Certainly cost is a major factor. Do we lack the political will for research? Are we playing short term checkers instead of long view chess? I've got to believe that our engineers are at least as smart as those in Sweden. Please enlighten me fellow readers.

[@Daddo22]

@@stephenkramme7063 Although I'm no expert, I think the 2 biggest factors are regulations and good old-fashined capitalism both constantly pushing the companies to inovate. For regulations, there are not only the ones regarding emissions, but also drivers' work conditions like total times, breaks etc. that are much more restrictive than US ones and thus companies are willing to invest more into more powerful engines so that the drivers don't waste their time slowly climbing hills. For the capitalism part, there are higher fuel prices in combination with aforementioned shorter driver work times and widespread network of rail, which in combination create a very competitive environment.

[@autobootpiloot]

On our ship we have a new jcb powered generator that meets European stage 5 without any after treatment. The overlap on the camshaft between exhaust and intake is so large the intake ports get clogged with soot when the engine isn’t running hot enough. The engine is two years old, has 11,5k hours on it and it’s been cleaned twice. According to the mechanic we run it decently hot because ours was not bad at all.

[@fred993a]

Sandy - You are so important for an EV future!

[@ryuuguu01]

In another video, Edison Motors talked more about how important the engine noise factor is for construction trucks and other trucks that work in the city. Many residential areas only let heavy trucks operate or drive through the area during a limited period of the day. This means they can't do a full shift, when they run only on battery outside those limited hours greatly increasing the value of electric trucks for some companies.

[@GilmerJohn]

Well, they are building hybrids. That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to re-charge the battery. The builder talks about software and that would do most of the decision making about when to start or stop the ICE and at what power level and speed. I've see a few of his videos. He "optimized" his early trucks for logging and in logging you often bring heavy loads down from a mountain and return empty up the mountain. That means that the truck re-gen is being pushed by a heave load down the hill and has only a little load coming back up. That the reduce the need for starting the ICE.

[@ryuuguu01]

@@GilmerJohn " That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to recharge the battery. " For plug-in hybrids, this is not true, it only means there is an option to use the diesel engine to charge the battery.

[@GilmerJohn]

@@ryuuguu01 -- In practice, it will usually mean start the engine. It would take a 50 kW power source to really make much difference in charging the battery. In some places they might have much power for over night charging but these Edison trucks (even the pick up conversions) are serious power hogs.

[@derekelliott3971]

Wow! Great fun listening to a couple of guys who KNOW EXACTLY what they're talking about

[@Girack]

We had a 100% electric concrete truck at work the other day. It was great, especially as its an underground construction site!

[@primoroy]

When Sandy Munroe endorses you, YOU"VE made it!

[@nononsenseBennett]

Dreamer entrepreneurs are what the world needs more of. I love his passion.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS SANDY ,CHASE AND THE MUNRO TEAM , for the update🤗🧐💚💚💚

[@MunroLive]

Thanks for watching!

[@TikiToyLabs]

trains have been doing this for years... makes so much sense.

[@journeyman291]

Imagine not having to follow that semi up that impassable moutain road @ 20mph! Hybrid diesels for our pickups, bring it on!

[@javig5045]

Sandy you rock! thanks for bringing knowledge to us and opportunities for companies like this one, the future looks bright.....Javi G.

[@vancity2349]

Congrats, having Sandy talk about this is huge...

[@Ohiotrucker1]

Topsy is working????? Let's get the good beer and donuts!!!

[@EdisonMotors]

Yeah, our video on that should be coming out next week

[@alexbarrett9506]

​@@EdisonMotorsEastbound and down, loading up and trucking

[@Omnis2]

They need to call their high-performance truck the Skookum Choocher.

[@Jessev741]

The Skookumchucker

[@oskarrabelius7384]

As an engine engineer at Scania, it makes me very happy that we have such a great service for our to be customers! I think he has made a great choice. The 5cyl is really a really good package.

[@louisjov]

The hybrid that actually makes sense. We've had Diesel electric systems since the 30s, it has always blown my mind that all hybrids weren't built like this since the beginning

[@vaibhavdlv]

Look at all those diesel locomotives! Those have been the backbone of Indian Rail here for last 5-7 decades. It's just now in this last 10 years or so the govt. was finally able to cobble enough money to get electrification on track and we are steadily getting new electric traction loco's.

[@donjones4719]

The reason is that converting engine power thru a generator thru an electric motor has always been inefficient. Directly coupling the engine to the driveshaft gets the most energy from the cylinders to the tires. Modern technology has now improved on that. Plus in this case, with modern batteries, idling can be mostly eliminated. And that big plus for a hybrid is there, for acceleration or hills power can be drawn from the battery and engine together.

[@louisjov]

@@donjones4719 I'm skeptical about whether that is true or not. Diesel electric systems burn less fuel, whether they are in a locomotive or marine application

[@Barskor1]

OEMs didn't and still don't want to change and lose the "Investment" they have in ICE.

[@Barskor1]

@@donjones4719 No, why not? because ICE engines have a sweet spot of rmps that are the most efficient that they mostly never get to stay in but generators do now with batteries or super capacitors as the buffer you dotn't need to rev the generator when you get an increased in load demand for more speed or more cargo.

[@FilterYT]

Sandy, you're awesome. Please continue to help these guys out.

[@sjvtesla]

So glad you went back 😮

[@antibrevity]

Sandy: How much money do you need? Chace: At least a couple million. Understatement of the year. I love these guys and Chace was being a bit cheeky with his answer as he knows better, but they won't be able to wipe their nose with a couple million dollars. The slow and steady approach *is* the right way to do this, however.

[@vincentgrinn2665]

I think it's taken them like 3mill to get this far, they're real careful with investors though don't want any big company that just wants roi in 3 years with a cheap junker truck

[@dmacpher]

@@vincentgrinn2665time value of money too, they aren’t trying to do everything in parallel

[@JRs-Garage]

Well I think Sandy needs to follow up on this company more closely and get to drive one of the rigs ! Maybe go in a regular logging truck back to back with this one and see the difference! Great interview Sandy !

[@aaronkoch3273]

I vote to see Sandy rippin donuts in Topsy..

[@derrickstableford8152]

Lovely to see the 2 Canuck’s together.

[@pyladian]

I really hope Sandy took him up on the offer to take his rig out for a ride!!?

[@RickyLourenco]

when i see my diesel garbage truck accelerate and brake at each house on the street. can’t help to think how much pollution is going into air from emissions and brake dust. we should be focusing on city trucks but everyone is still looking a highway trucks. i’m sure the chinese have electric garbage trucks but my children and i have to wait for the local producers so we can breath fresh air.

[@Girack]

Volvo FE electric :)

[@RickyLourenco]

isn’t it made in china?

[@mtstash]

When i lived in a big city i kept think about the busses and trucks driving around so many people and all the brake dust

[@Clark-Mills]

4:11 Listening to the acceleration with 150,000lb of load, we'll need to add software that limits the road chew up that the high shear the roading will experience. This is slightly different to the vertical axel loading that heavy vehicles are categorized by.

[@cyclesingsleep]

Thank you, Sandy! ...love what these guys are doing up in Canada for all of us - thank you for giving of your time and energy to share and promote and your wisdom to help guide!

[@AdrianMcDaid]

Be great to see Sandy taking it for drive.

[@pablopicaro7649]

Marvelous opportunity on this Tech, a great application of EV-hybrid truck (local loads). OTR ( over the road) long distance is a BAD application of the tech (1000 mileor km /day) is not a good use, perhaps in distant future will) . Logging between forest and Mill or rail-head is Perfect use.

[@briansilver9652]

Wherever the load is at a much higher elevation than the destination (mining, logging) these electric haulers could probably eliminate the diesel engine by regenerating enough on the way down to power their way back up. I believe there is a mine that uses electric rock trucks that never need to recharge.

[@nathanmahler3743]

@@briansilver9652rail is the only way that will work. There too many inefficiencies when your on tires.

[@nathanmahler3743]

What makes you think it wont work for long haul. ??

[@pin65371]

@briansilver9652 if they were just going up and down the mountain maybe that would work. They usually have at least an hour round trip when they get off the logging road. That is where the diesel kicks in. It gives them that little boost in range so they don't need to add more batteries.

[@charleshunter2041]

@@nathanmahler3743 I believe the Edison guy said that was possible in another interview. The fact that they're empty going uphill and massively loaded down hill may overcome inefficiencies .

[@user-vp1sc7tt4m]

Sandy, it's really awesome to see your support for Chase and his efforts with Edison motors. I've been following Edison motors efforts and I think Chase and team have that perspective that big corporate just doesn't have which could make the difference in the market they are working for. I wish them the best.

[@christopherguy1217]

Very impressive, thanks for the update Sandy.

[@JT_771]

Would like to see continued success for these guys.

[@joebullwinkle5099]

It's fantastic that this vehicle is coming from Canada! The danger for nascent companies like Edison is that through a lack of development funds this vehicle takes another 3-5 years before any significant production begins. Like the Tesla truck, commercial transport is just desperate for a new generation of vehicles like this Edison truck. Sandy, if Chace is open to it, you need to help him with your industry/investor connections! China is coming for companies like this!

[@QALibrary]

Looks like they drove the truck to the show this year looking at the state of it and we have to get Sandy driving it

[@henrycarlson7514]

So Wise , Thank You . A fine Example of Canadian Innovation. I see several applications , Not for every thing.

[@WestCoastWheelman]

There's a huge efficiency gain to be had just from switching away from a traditional ring & pinion gear and not having a 90° turn in the driveline.

[@Outsider.Reviews]

This guy is an absolute Gem! Awesome

[@gilgamesh444]

I hope the BC government helps him instead of getting in the way. In the mid 1960s I had a summer job on the CP Princess Patricia, 5 boilers generating steam for 2 steam turbines powering two DC generators driving two massive DC motors generating a total of 15,000 horsepower.

[@stickynorth]

A $50M loan or grant to get it ready for manufacturing seems like a great use of dollars compared to the LNG and Oil and gas subsidies which are both out of control and unsustainable...

[@pin65371]

@stickynorth those subsidies are mostly just tax write offs that any company can make. Then there are some grants handed out for researching and developing emissions reductions programs. In many cases that tech has ended up getting a return on investment since that tech ends up being sold. Also at least in Alberta the industrial carbon tax money funds that stuff. It's not general revenue. Edison could apply for a grant and they would most likely get money out of that program as well.

[@J-kade]

I’ve been following chase since before he (publicly) got into electric trucks. He just seems like a stand up guy, and a true Canadian!

[@mikegilkey]

Such an awesome truck

[@Steve-co1ic]

Love it when guys put themselves out there and have a go, would love to see them making a real success of it, go Edison

[@jenkinseric2]

Sandy Munroe "just about shit my pants" what an endorsement for electric trucks

[@bradweinberger6907]

Couple of my favourite people. 😊

[@franklogan494]

Great Interview, I like when you called Chace out and said it would be 50 million, to produce, too bad you didn’t ask about the generator attached to the back of the engine. The cameras kept looking at it and nothing was asked about it, important technical details that would have been interesting to talk about.

[@1944chevytruck]

What an awesome story!!

[@kevinlucas8437]

Hybrid is definitely the way right now !! Love the scania truck !!! Definitely, Nicola and Edison are companies to watch !!!

[@SuperUbuntudude]

The way I look at it if you can impress Sandy Monroe you're going places keep up the great work!

[@sowhat1073]

I want one of the Pickup conversions.

[@thinkfirsttruthisrarelyobvious]

Congratulations. These are needed and are realistic not the idiot government idea of electric only. Canadian BC government need to help get this done before it ends up leaving Canada.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Every truck driver working for Pepsi who has driven the Tesla Semi has refused to return to a regular diesel truck.

[@Rockall57]

Looks at that..all the perseverance leads to a successful end..😂

[@jonkeau5155]

Edison turned down venture capital because they wanted to make them change the quality of the product. Chase is not only building them right, he’s got integrity.

[@richardj163]

Everyone is rooting for Edison!

[@virtuserable]

1:19 - what the hell is he saying... reliable, sturdy, skulcoom?

[@jamesengland7461]

Yeah; I don't speak Canadian 😂

[@PierreVilleneuve88]

I think he is saying Skookum, a term invented and popularized by another youtuber from BC Canada: AVE

[@peterstasinaki642]

I had to Google the word also… Skookum is a Chinook Jargon word that has historical use in the Pacific Northwest. It has a range of meanings, commonly associated with an English translation of strong or monstrous. The word can mean strong,[1] greatest, powerful, ultimate, or brave. Something can be skookum, meaning "strong" or "monstrously significant".

[@EdisonMotors]

@@PierreVilleneuve88it’s actually a local First Nations word meaning “tough, large, strong and impressive”

[@PierreVilleneuve88]

@@EdisonMotors thanks for clearing that up. I never drove a semi and probably never will. But I have been following pretty much everything you have posted and I am rooting for you guys! Impressive work.

[@getiingtubed]

Sandy opening doors for the industry

[@donaldburkhard7932]

Need to know what kind of voltages/amperage’s the electric axle uses?

[@genzigzag]

Woo hoo, Uncle Sandy in BC!

[@rossr6616]

They could perhaps split that axle in half L-R and manufacture the two halves to mate at the diff case, smaller assy to handle, but chance of lowering possible axle service costs. Sure, would need monster stiffening though.

[@gar24407]

No DPF on that Scania engine.....SOLD😂😂

[@jamesmaddigan8132]

Truck of Theseus, this truck guy is well read.

[@marcusw86]

I think diesel electric or diesel hybrid is the best choice for future vehicles..

[@stanleybridge]

Skookum…it’s Canadian Pacific coast thing…

[@vorpalinferno9711]

First make 12 trucks per year.

[@samanthamonaghan7579]

$50-100 Million is low cost in 2024

[@ralanham76]

Sandy for president 😁

[@qingyuhu]

Trains have always been diesel electric so why aren't these big trucks also been diesel electric? Or even turbine electric as they are smaller and more efficient at higher power output to charge the battery.

[@fredbloggs5902]

Because it doesn’t scale down.

[@jamesengland7461]

Turbines are extremely reliable, but extremely expensive as far as I know, and also LOUD! I definitely think diesel electric should have been done half a century ago.

[@donjones4719]

Diesel locomotives have had diesel electric drive forever because the power output is too large for mechanical transmissions and clutches to handle. Try to imagine the number of gears to go through accelerating a long freight train from standstill to 60 mph/100 kph. The system has excellent torque. However, there are significant energy/heat losses. Mechanically linking the engine to the axles is more efficient plus you don't have to carry around the weight of a generator and electric motors. Yes, a manual transmission weighs something but is light compared to the alternative.

[@JanwarKali]

Malaki Ang motor Malaki din Ang volts amps..Ang pinapalakas lang Jan Ang magnet.. kahit Isang ikotan lang Yan..tatlong terminal lang hati lang, Ang hati Yun Ang sa gitna.. mas maganda pa Yung medyo maliit pinaparami lang...

[@dollarette]

Canadian: we're gonna need a couple million fur shur. American: No, you're gonna need 50 million.

[@derrickstableford8152]

Sandy is Canadian.

[@dollarette]

@@derrickstableford8152 he doesn't live in Canada anymore

[@gordkao]

🤩

[@flyovercounty1427]

Case 4wd tractors had Scania engines waaay back in the day

[@jairokg]

Hello 👋

[@upholsteredhero5216]

lol old man "trust the government. they will make sure it works out great"!

[@pierrearmand6590]

Good luck.

[@TrueLee]

DOA without 1)Outstanding engineers 2) Manufacturing Expertise and 3)A leader that thinks bigger than what people thinks is possible. Everything else is just playing with 1 offs.

[@1ABNDT]

Ty. Shared

[@nelsondoan8271]

👍👍👍

[@thereplacementfordisplacement]

Without a doubt more EV miles would be driven right now if people had 50 mile range or a little higher PHEVs. The weight of batteries in an EV to go 450 miles compared to a PHEV that can supplement 400 miles in hybrid mode makes sense. 50 miles can easily be added only charging at night at home. Some people say well idiots won't plug them in, that's because most of those idiots were not paying the bills as fleet vehicles. Everyone I know with a PHEV try hard to only do EV mode. In some climates s PHEV may not do so well because an engine that doesn't run frequently enough my have more issues than normal, like humid rustbelt environments but nothing does well there without a lot of maintenance.

[@user-xj5xp6qz5g]

wow, that woman really wanted to be in frame lol

[@glike2]

Sizing the battery to run through urban areas electric only prevent a lot of cancer and dementia in the future so if you guys could speed up production also that would be really beneficial to society. Battery technology energy density improvements may eventually allow battery electric to dominate the market so that's another consideration.

[@vincentgrinn2665]

Batteries are sized for like 2 hours run time iirc

[@phalanx3803]

@@vincentgrinn2665 there sized like that because there logging truck's they spend there time going up hill unloaded and down hill loaded using regen more or less gravity powered the diesel is there as a back up / range extender.

[@vincentgrinn2665]

@@phalanx3803 im aware, i was just saying that the batteries are already sized decently enough to last while running through urban areas

[@bartoszskowronski]

too short!

[@Ligby]

Thanksandy

[@jatoav8or]

These E Vehicles are going to be wonderful in about 50 years when the tech is fully developed, oh and maybe a little work on our electric grid & generation sources so we actually have the juice to charge millions of EVs? I’m sorry I won’t be around to see it.

[@Tien1million]

I think Sandy killed his soul a little when he said $50 mil.

[@pin65371]

They aren't really focusing on building new trucks. They are taking older trucks and swapping out the drive train. They already have contracts with a few companies.

[@Gadfly2025]

They doing better than Detroit Electric car ? How about FISKER second coming ? Trucks ez conversion LNG or CNG . You see them all over Asia cause it’s cheap fuel . It’s also cleaner than BEV all things considered 😮

[@ericross9768]

amazing... if this was in Texas...it would happen yesterday

[@Jessev741]

wut

[@HourRomanticist]

Just to be clear, a semi truck legally can only be rated for so much. A Tesla Semi, based on how much hp it produces, im sure could also do 75k kg

[@Jessev741]

But the lighter the truck itself, the more load it can haul.

[@vincentgrinn2665]

On road trucks yes, but logging trucks are allowed more,same with some other vocational trucks, tesla semi is also the same power as Edisons

[@NackDSP]

Sadly this company will be gone unless they get new experienced management and a billion dollars or more of capital. It's a really cool hobby building a few trucks, but it's going no where when it comes to producing and selling more than twenty before it goes under. Designing and building a truck is a year long project for six new college graduates. Designing and building a truck factory is a multi-billion dollar project for a huge experienced team of engineers. That's what Elon figured out.

[@hallkbrdz]

Huge motors for just 483 HP combined. At this stage I'd have a discussion with Lucid Motors to see if they would be interested in a design partnership for production.

[@Rockall57]

Don't go near that company..it's a total joke..more likely Rivian.

[@hallkbrdz]

@@Rockall57 How is Lucid a total joke? They easily have the best designs and technology producing the most efficient overall package. Nothing else is close. Money wise, they are solid with their backing from SA funds.

[@martinwoollett8468]

it's not a car or even a normal semi. This is built to purpose, not general trucking. It hauls far heaver loads and needs the torque plus the strength to use it and not turn in to a pretzel.

[@bbcooter388]

You need a huge motor because your drive gear and rotating center of the motor needs to be very, very, large to not snap when pushing that kind of weight. You may also be looking at the Inverter being encased in that axle.

[@robertbowman9108]

Man if you think that motor is big, just look at the size of a diesel drivetrain

[@fidouda1032]

Funny how he laughs at Tesla, that he take to long to come with the semi but he is just doing a few… as Elon told many times… it’s easy to built a prototype… but it’s hell to bring to mass production

[@rare_wubbox360]

Ev future.. except… this is not an elelctric veichle… just another hybrid

[@idabble5880]

It's fully electric, it's just a big enough vehicle to carry around it's own generator. The generator is optional

[@tedg1609]

Why not just an electric generator in place of the gas engine ? - just use the electric motors.

[@vincentgrinn2665]

The gas engine is connected to an electric generator,generators need something to get power from they don't work on their own

[@stickynorth]

Honestly the Government of Canada should just toss them the money because of all the wasteful spending in Canada? This is would be a drop in the bucket to get this company going on a larger scale... Heck Calgary just wasted $2B building an LRT line to nowhere... Oh wait, not even that! $2B on planning a line to nowhere...

[@GregHassler]

I didn't know these electric trocks have clotches.

[@vincentgrinn2665]

That's not a clutch it's a generator, so that the truck can recharge its batteries using the diesel engine while it drives(2 hour battery, 30min charging)

[@TtheAlien]

The accent and shirt will only get you so far

[@envisionelectronics]

TROX

[@flyovercounty1427]

The accent?

[@UlysseGrd]

Sandy do you know Lion Electric, there trucks are also made in Canada. There are more interesting than this truck !

[@vincentgrinn2665]

Did sandy say there were truck companies doing hydrogen combustion? Isnt that stuff straight garbage and clickbait

[@batchint]

hot potato 🎉

[@user-xj5xp6qz5g]

lol that guys accent! Im canadian and even I find it too much! its really stereotypical. I dunno where this comes from.. I dont know anyone who talks like that. Is it a BC thing?

[@silverback3633]

That is Paul Bunyan accent.

[@wanyemidwest]

I close my eyes and it's Wayne from Letterkenny speaking. 😅

[@rickcraig5866]

Ottawa Valley pretty close

[@GrigoriZhukov]

Curse my empty pockets... no i will not say how much I'd with none of the bs others use. IOW lawyers sit in the car while th adults talk. Then we shake investment done. Money just tool and all that implies.