A Platform for the Alt-Right? - Debate with Fan

[@aimeeterese7050]

Destiny is one of the ONLY cultural figures consistently demonstrating a defensible and effective engagement with the alt-right, his track record of remaining calm, meeting their garbage ideas with reality, and remaining good natured and humorous in the process rather than moralising and tone policing. He’s one of a tiny handful of people who actually understands how to expose the emptiness of their ideas in an accessible and entertaining manner, consistently revealing there’s nothing behind the curtain, it’s all smoke and mirrors.

[@weirdo3116]

Aimee Lawrence who would be the others?

[@probablypragmatic6893]

Contrapoints, until the rabid isolationist part of her fanbase convinces her that challenging ideas somehow turns neo-nazis into Super Saiyans

[@tcritt]

He's fucking great at it. I can't think of anyone else that comes close.

[@aimeeterese7050]

weirdo3116 I’d definitely say Contrapoints, Shaun, hbomberguy, and there’s going to be a segment with Adam Proctor on tonight’s Michael Brooks show (streams over at the Majority Report KZbin channel)

[@tcritt]

Contra makes great videos, but she doesn't seem so effective at debating live.

[@justingutierrez233]

These debates that Destiny hosts actually help many to see the light in regards to these people, myself for example and based on some comments I've seen around KZbin and Reddit show that I'm not alone. These things are important, they actively work to break down the platform most of these toxic people have, not bolster their platforms

[@pathocrat]

Far-right ideology is so hegemonic in this sub-culture, many people have never heard an alternative.

[@squadfam4807]

god, destiny is a platform for the altright? because he debates them?

[@andorieljixx8903]

i learnt about all my alt right stuff from destiny. Even though he thinks I get it from breitbart.com destiny is pretty much a modern day mouthpiece for neo Nazi's

[@squadfam4807]

matthew Rogers you’ve like bearing, and UKIP shit, nobody cares fascist snowflake

[@adel885]

squad fam he is

[@andorieljixx8903]

damn I knew those likes would bite me in the ass one day, trust it to come from someone with a dog avatar what a chomper

[@user-mo8br5sc2o]

This guy debating Destiny is just another pathetic Steve Shives type

[@77solsken]

I mean slavery never benefited the actual slaves. The only argument here is that slavery has benefited the slaves' descendents. Benefited by the freedoms and rights conveyed by a modern progressive political structure that didn't really exist 200 years ago.

[@Jungleehunter1330]

Truths here!

[@77solsken]

Mr. Donzo How would define the benefits of slavery though? A good argument could be made that being a chattel slave is worse than any harm that would befall a free man. And it's not like all of Africa is always at war. There's probably plenty of places that one could live a satisfactory life. The african would prob live in a mud hut and have to hunt his food but I can't imagine any argument that would claim that a slave's life would be better than that.

[@77solsken]

Are you Jar Jar Binks? Dude write better english. I can't even follow your train of thought.

[@77solsken]

Lol no that wasn't an argument. And that's not english jar jar. But if your argument is that "slavery wasn't bad because nobody is suffering from it right now" not sure that really holds up.

[@77solsken]

"enslaved them peacefully" Lol. If you're talking about reparations though I don't think any black person is connected to the act of slavery anymore so reparations should be off the table. Going to sleep though I'll reply tom if you have anything else you want me to comment on.

[@Fvalen1]

"Black people in America generally have it better than black people in Africa" in certain settings and depending on their access to wealth sure... "Therefore slavery was good for them" Wait what the fuck? Destiny lost me at that part, holy hell. Those are two completely separate arguments. Edit: An African small business owner in Addis Ababa probably has it better than a black family in Detroit.

[@Moscato_Moscato]

Alt-Right more like Ain’t Right

[@Roflmeat]

Steven please disable test to speech when you debate, it's infuriating when you guys are articulating your points and the text to speech lady is yelling over it all

[@cosmojenkins3020]

“So ultimately, the legislation says-*XDXD Destiny bois got hot volcano boner reeeee!*!so all that being said, I’m a woman now.” *rewinds to relisten twelve times*

[@qsconty]

>Literally asking for more circlejerk

[@MartinSlow]

How will he stay safe without destiny telling him to? :(

[@clashy]

lol destiny owned the shit out of this caller if your ideas are so much better than theirs, then it should be extremely easy to challenge them and show everyone how dumb they are. this is how the marketplace of ideas works. ignoring them or "denying them a platform" just makes it look like you have no response to them and that they're right

[@Hazamatoxin]

Destiny has it spot on!! He's even convinced me to be less Anti-SJW'ey.... because generally I already agreed most of his politcs as I am left leaning, though I used to be more of one of those anti-sjw/anti-feminist types and over the last year watching these debates and coming to realise a lot of these skeptic types are fucking stupid. So yeah it's absolutely is worth it to challenge these people.

[@eartianwerewolf]

Yeah toxin, I was very anti-SJW too, and I am starting to realize that I was being really unfair towards them. They actually have some points to make.

[@nasanka7428]

absolutely

[@TheAwesomoe]

With the way that the media works these days, there is no political barrier to entry. As long as your rhetoric is on point, it will directly control your popularity. My point is that popularity does not indicate if the points are valid. These people are therefore already getting a platform and by not making an argument against this, it becomes more appealing. Any case can be made with logical conclussions, and when ignored it seems as if the person with the insane claim has won that debate.

[@Swishead]

This notion of deplatforming runs parallel to the idea that the Right's views are so emotionally appealing and so easy to reduce to rhetoric rather than logic that there is almost no goal to presenting them on media platforms. That it is actively detrimental. My view on this is abstention from debating the alt-right/lite should only be a temporary measure for the unprepared, so that they can prepare themselves for it. Maybe being an unprepared debater is actually harmful to the case, but I think the left should rally around the idea of being philosophically rigorous and quick on your feet so you can come up with responses that are both true and palatable for your average layman. Only then will we swing the population back over.

[@JPrescottQ]

Destiny, you have a fairly fatal flaw to your logic: you assume that you are being watched in full context by a majority of the audience. More than likely, the debate is going to get chopped up and picked apart the the right wing cottage industry. How many more people are going to watch your debates via a proxy youtuber? Every one of your comments will be taken out of context and given the least charitable meaning So even if that interviewer had pushed back against Spencer, it wouldn't matter, since the videos will just be altered anyway. In order to have an intellectually honest conversation, you need both people to actually be honest.

[@MasterMemo]

Then that goes back to the chance thing. That's still alt right content, it's not supposedly neutral content.

[@youare5907]

Jacob Prescott one of the main audience he wants to pull in are people on the middle or people who might be leaning towards the right because no one will counter right wingers. Chances are they’d be interested in the full video no?

[@imjesusdad6361]

Destiny is literally the only one who is effectively combatting these people, and giving other people relevant arguments to use against them.

[@xLostInSmokex]

Hey Destiny! I'm new to your channel but I enjoy your videos man! Keep up the great work 👌👏💯

[@sisterimmaculata1680]

I know, I want him to fist me.

[@squadfam4807]

Sister Immaculata me too

[@RB3Vids]

xLostInSmokex welcome!

[@andorieljixx8903]

Just remember to comment how he got destroyed in the debate, good meme right there.

[@SamDLIVE]

Destiny you were 10/10 this debate.

[@assuming9735]

I think Destiny is pretty right about needing talking points, but the caller makes a good point in that the alt right doesn't care about what those talking points are. It's not possible to destroy these people's mindsets. Destiny of all people should know this, after the debates with Fuentes and that Reactionary Catholic guy.

[@tcritt]

You won't change the minds of the douchebags he is debating, but this isn't the aim anyway. The aim is to persuade the audience and show them that the alt-right's ideology is trash and doesn't stand up to scrutiny. This is how you prevent these goons getting more followers. It's also important to arm those that already oppose them with an arsenal of decent arguments that they can also use. The best way to do this is by example, and Destiny does this extremely well. I can't think of anyone else on KZbin who does it better.

[@assuming9735]

timcritt I absolutely agree with that stance, but you can challenge someone's ideas without letting them speak on your show.

[@dgbell1985]

11:00 - Part of the problem is that the interviewer probably figured he was prepared for the interview, because he's so sure he's right about his base assumptions (like most people are) he never bothered to muster a defence for them. This is, I think, Desntiny's point! Mill writes about this in On Liberty as well - in his defence of free speech: "Let us now pass to the second division of the argument, and dismissing the supposition that any of the received opinions may be false, let us assume them to be true, and examine into the worth of the manner in which they are likely to be held, when their truth is not freely and openly canvassed. However unwillingly a person who has a strong opinion may admit the possibility that his opinion may be false, he ought to be moved by the consideration that however true it may be, if it is not fully, frequently, and fearlessly discussed, it will be held as a dead dogma, not a living truth." www.gutenberg.org/files/34901/34901-h/34901-h.htm

[@ThisVideoAnnoyedMe]

How many more times will Destiny mention Jordan Peterson without challenging his beliefs?! Make a damn video talking about just him already!

[@domiNATEion]

i wouldn't really call this a debate but just 2 bois having a nice conversation

[@NoFace-Killah]

Its like you can't win with these people, If you don't debate the alt right, then you are seen as indifferent to them, if you do, you're seen as an enabler.

[@Pawg_Alf]

to be fair the people who say "if you don't debate the alt-right, then you're indifferent to them" aren't the same people who say "if you do you're an enabler"

[@tcritt]

Jeb Galicia But it's much easier just to lump everyone into the same group.

[@TempRawr]

No Face Killah a welcome to the real world, it not about winning for others or goals but winning on your own terms so you can keep up fighting for your values, which in time and/or experience give them validity. Richard can make a statement like look at American blacks, slavery gave them a better life than does without slavery. He can do that because honestly not enough people bring down the weight of history on his world's to challenge his short sighted thinking with the raw weight of a collection of thought and reason that can deflate that statement, not destroy or erase that thought but make sure it doesn't run in the wrong train of belief

[@fullmetalsnowflake2508]

Yep, there's always someone on the left who disagrees with you. It's cause we aren't fuggin sheep ;)

[@blackblaze5271]

No Face Killah You can be an enabler. But Destiny has a pattern of talking to people he disagrees with or about things he disagrees with so I don't know why anyone would see him as an enabler.

[@KrystianMajewski]

This was a good clip. I can see merit to both positions. Obviously. I respect Destiny for actually engaging with those people. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. OTOH the caller as a point in that we are dealing with forces that use specific techniques to hijack platforms in order to push an agenda. The recent Nick Fuentes "debate" was a good example. Nick gish-galloping over his opponents and using the debate to push his outlandish narratives. Destiny was struggling to pinpoint Nick and he would also struggle to pin somebody like Trump. It's possible, but so difficult it often ends up being a Pyrrhic victory. I have no solutions myself. But what Destiny is doing might be a valid approach anyway. Keep engaging them and find out what works. Develop counter-strategies.

[@Hotshotter3000]

Destiny is right. We do need to start questioning these people and challenge their beliefs. Not necessarily argue or debate, since that's kinda useless, but they need to show just how many holes they have in their arguments. Stefan Molyneux is one such person. He's a complete jackass. Sometimes he does make 'logical' statements, but those statements fall apart when you realize how poorly thought out they are and how wrong they are in reality.

[@shadowzeal]

If destiny REALLY wants to move people over to his side he should stop doing debates completely, he lets people change topic after a win and by doing so is doing EXACTLY what he complained about in the video he showed. He should just respond to videos so he can have in-depth replies and link his evidence in the description or better yet go through the research papers in the video. The demographic of people he wants to “move to his side” are prone to like these types of videos. So destiny got wrecked in this debate.(by me not the fan in the video)

[@GnomiMoody]

That ending was sooooooooooo cute. Mamochino Popito Capuchino I love you

[@001mhu]

The reason these people become famous is because these days kids are bombarded with information overload - with so much information out there, doing your own research and finding out the truth is too much work while spoon fed "OPINION" are readily available all over the internet "DISGUISED" as facts. Today, everyone has a platform, and the ones that reach the most audience is no longer the ones with the most substance, but the ones who make the loudest noise..... Lauren Southern, Tomi Lauren, Roaming Millenial, Goldie... i mean what are their background, credential, experience? lol They're just regurgitating a list of things that people like to bring up in order to justify their belives.. and most of the time they only focus on what appears on the surface while ignoring the real causes of a lot of problems. ... but hey, obviously these girls know more than all the phds and people working in finance, social science, economics.

[@rust44]

Michael H Lol, not just girls. But those so-called reporters are the worst. Paul Joseph Watson and Lauren Southern aren’t journalists/reporters.

[@nickblank5712]

and after debating more alt righters he figured out that deplatforming really isn't that bad

[@Considerers]

I really appreciate Destiny getting i to these discussions. I am not very politically engaged and here in Sweden the alt-right hasnt really been a thing. But some small groups are starting to have the same kind of ideas here lately, and watching these debates is really usefull for understanding what their mindset is and how to deconstruct their arguments in an efficient way. This really is pretty much the only politically focused "show" i listen to because it isnt just an echochamber for one side. (I think destiny could be a bit more mature sometimes but, i can live with it. Even if i would rather he be a bit more formal sometimes he at least doesnt tend to be the one who starts the insult throwing)

[@recoilAbs]

Dude you're completely right here, and argued for it brilliantly. Great job.

[@Vinzaf]

The issue, as I see it, is that people are going to engage the alt-right with or without Steven doing so - such as what's seen in the video they watched early on. So having people like Steven who do challenge them, hard, does swing some amount of balance back.

[@TheBoboMosh]

I think the middle ground here is that you have an obligation to be prepared to deal with the ideas if you give them a platform, but the guy arguing is correct in that you also have an obligation to refuse that platform if you're not going to be prepared or deal with said ideas.

[@davidshay7280]

I think this discussion is good for similar reasons that having debates with alt right people is good. The audience gets to see certain ideas deconstructed and gain a better understanding.

[@Sindragozer]

A platform for the alt-right to fall the fuck apart when Destiny asks them a couple simple questions

[@Ormusn2o]

SWEATSTINY

[@p8triotmode]

he is definitely not giving them a platform. I like the fact that he challenges them. Me personally, I consider myself alt-mid. Even Destiny has gotten me to think about some things. He is only benefitting everyone imo.

[@TDragonus]

There is no such thing as an "unqestionable idea", unless you're blinded by dogma and/or ideology. The inverse of this is "there is no such thing as an idea that can be rejected without being questioned", which is what Destiny's guest does not understand.

[@glenkoko3649]

My two favorite things, league and politics in one channel? Heck yaaaas!

[@GregPeden]

I agree with Destiny, people brought on to debate here don't escape from saying stupid things without being challenged, this is markedly different from how major media networks approach their role.

[@blackblaze5271]

5:48 I think the problem here is these ideas are already out there so it makes sense that have them challenged. But if they are not wide spread ideas, no I don't think they should be allowed on college compasses because that legitimizes them in a way and also gives them a megaphone. So I'm going to have to disagree with Destiny on this. College compasses don't invite people typically to debate, they invite them to spread their ideas, like a ted talk. Destiny is in a different area because his platform is explicitly meant for debating and challenging ideas. So I don't see how it aids the alt-right. Most people know about them anyways by now

[@TekniQx]

@20:29 - Destiny ironically strawman's Jordan Peterson while making fun of "SJWs" who strawman Jordan Peterson. "Man Manifesto" LOL! How anyone can loop JBP into the same category of people as red-pillers and the manosphere is fucking asinine.

[@RanEncounter]

Have you not watched Jordan Peterson and his intervires with literal white nationalists and climate change deniers. Not to mention that he did a PragerU video. What are you talking about? JBP platforms extremist all the time amd does not have the means to challenge them.

[@fionnmcglacken35]

aged like milk lmao

[@JesusHChrist2000]

You don't need to convert the alt right with your arguements, It's enough to make them aware that there are convincing arguments and strong oratory opposed to them.

[@jeffbenzos1017]

Good posters know the power of posting, weather posting videos or text, you can literally see others use your arguments and amplify a position. Its not longer yours if anything, you probably had it same time others did because we are looking at the same thing. But making a good argument online can ripple and provide your side with ammunition, but the whole fight is across everything know because politics melted down.

[@blasphimus]

Best way to say it: Compare the alt right to a religion. If you don't debate religion you can't prevent it from growing. There will always be true believers who you'll never convince, but that doesn't mean you ignore them and hope for the best. Christians and the alt right will ALWAYS recruit whether you are there to counter them or not. This guy was really dumb because he thinks they should just be allowed to grow while hoping the average idiot is a lot like what Destiny sees them as: who ever gets to them first and says the most convincing argument without sounding too smart or too dumb will often times convince the average joe.

[@Starborn23]

This space is starved of voices like Destiny's

[@raney150]

I think one thing is, don't give someone you disagree with a platform unless you can counter them. You have to educate yourself about them. Heck, you should educate yourself about someone you mostly agree with.

[@frbe0101]

Fuck me, Destiny is just nailing reality to this guy!

[@MRdaBakkle]

There is a big difference between the rational centrist© and a normal centrist. A normal centrist recognizes that everything about the rebublican party should be stopped in its tracks.

[@hdr883]

If you continue this guys logic, the best thing you can do is brace for impact and prepare for the seemingly inevitable civil war. In my opinion this way of thinking is the biggest reason why tensions are rising and the fringes are gaining traction in many western societies.

[@DahVoozel]

Is it a fair question to ask if they became more popular because the number of people who agree with them increased or if they became more popular because they were found by the people who already agreed with them? Are people watching Destiny to find people who disagree with him?

[@spigone2455]

To me this question feels so easy: Do you care about what happens to your country ? If the answer is yes, then you're gonna have to engage with the other side, it doesn't matter how crazy you think they are.

[@Whiplash557]

I think destiny is correct in engaging people with radical views that are growing in popularity, To consistently challenge the view with hard hitting facts (if the view doesn't have the evidence to support it's claim) is a good tool to convincing people on the fence. To just ignore them completely is like trying to clean your room by sweeping the garbage under the rug. If the view is easy to destroy then do it repeatedly, and it will lose it's momentum.

[@Tareki1000]

The question ultimately boils down to whether we want to live in a society based on civic-religious dogmas or one that is - as an ideal - based on the exchange of rational arguments. Because the goalpost is always changing. You can never say: "Wolfgang Bimmelhausen is off limits, that Nazi Scumbag. But Walter Huttenwutter, that guy is totally cool". No. SOMEONE will say that Walter is also off limits. And SOMETIME in the future the discourse will either exclude Walter because the country has become more progressive or Wolfgang will be quotable again. It's never about excluding just the right people. Because our knowledge of who to exclude ITSELF is the result of either dogmatic belief or open debate. So, if you're claiming that your knowledge on whose thoughts are too dangerous to be allowed in public is justifiable in rational debate, you must also support rational debate as the principle of convincing other people. Either that or you must admit that you don't even care to justify your believes and that you only want to exert power to suppress people who disagree with you (which few people on the left openly admit, though that's exactly what they do in practice). Also, for the love of god, could all just get off our high horses and at least contemplate the possibility that other people might be right some of the time on some issues, even though we strongly disagree with them? If someone is wrong on 95% but right on 5%, open debate still beats the dogmatic exclusion of that person ALL THE TIME. Because open debate (in whatever form) will eventually find use for the 5% "right" believes, or whatever. Even if you don't believe in universal truths in a philosophical sense, evolution works just the same without making truth statements.

[@miniscooter]

I agree with destiny here because the views of the alt right are being challenged compared to just giving them a podium to talk for an hour or two in schools for example

[@bc9554]

If you're scared about swaying people over to the "opposite side" simply by talking to them, then your side is probably the wrong one.

[@fograw5]

Dmitriy V nah it definitely doesnt mean that. it could also mean that theres a ton of morons out there that will fall for propaganda like richard spencer and alex jones spew. i do agree you should debate them though

[@6idangle]

No it just means you are wrong it has nothing to do with the factual claims of either side.

[@fograw5]

Tyler Potts neil degrasse tyson doesnt debate anyone, hes said he wont debate anyone anymore. does that mean he's wrong in what he says??

[@fograw5]

Dmitriy V hahahahaha

[@Sphnxfr]

That's the problem though. How is anyone supposed to orient themselves in the political landscape when we refuse to allow discussion to take place out of fear that someone might take the wrong side? No-platform partisan bullshit is turning politics into a propaganda war which mostly consists of both sides blasting their slogans and insulting each other.

[@russelld2925]

The idea of not permitting certain arguments or ideas to me made is much more dangerous than any conservative idea.

[@aliisakalma8245]

The "dun dun dun" intro always makes me think of undenied by Portishead

[@Paul-sr6zb]

I can't help but think our education system is a disaster. If we need to stop the conversation when slavery comes up and publicly discuss "uh but wait, I mean was slavery really that bad? This guy Richard Spencer says it was kind of cool, and he seems like a nice guy", then we've utterly failed in educating people.

[@Sindragozer]

2:21 Autistic screeching?? I think you mean *screeeeeeeeeeeeeeching*

[@doctacos1]

Why bring them on? ..... Because views. Destiny is himself a brand. He makes money. He needs to keep viewers. How is he going to do that? Debate as much as he can (to a reasonable extent of course). KZbin, twitch, twitter all provide a nice base to pick from for debaters and debatees and whatnot.

[@RazzormanG1]

I think destiny didn't go hard enough on the question of how you should decide who is too extreme to talk to and who is reasonable. It seemed like the guy was taking the position that extreme ideas are never reasonable, so you just avoid those and presto, you got yourself a reasonable debate. The problem is, a hundred years ago, a person with the beliefs of today's average american would be an EXTREME outlier. Should those people have avoided speaking to or engaging with ideas that we would consider normal today? Would they have been right to classify this person as unreasonable? He's essentially saying "only ideas that are similar to my own are worth talking about, and all ideas that are not are too extreme". Isn't that just kind of assuming that you are correct from the start?

[@guitarflori]

Nice Debate. Somewhere around the 24:00 minutes mark Destiny misunderstood the persons point. Destiny: I decided to engage with anybody. Other person: I think it would be right to decide to engage with Anybody minus unreasonable people. This was a mere a suggestion of criteria to decide with whom to talk. Determining who is reasonable can be done on an individual basis by the person who decides this. No societal norm needed. I disagree with the dude overall though.

[@jonathanmosher72]

The ideology of political leanings is a family socialization thing. Only a very small percentage of people will be turned by an outside factor other than family and education. The 2nd most important factor is education. If you go to college you're 3 to 1 more likely to have more liberal views than when you went in.

[@KrackerUncle]

so whats the guests way to deal with the "problem" now? did he mention it? just dont debate them and hope they die off? I might have missed somthing here...

[@heyho405]

2:50 - 4:07 - Spot on.

[@CarbonAtom14]

The only way to discredit an idea is to make a person speak. If someone speaking hurts your fefes, that just shows something about your character. I really hate the authoritarian nature of some of my fellow liberals.

[@Cajaquarius]

Dude needs to learn the difference between debating/debunking ideas and platforming them. When Contra Points, Destiny, or one of these others engage these ideas in their media and videos they are not platforming. Platforming is letting them give speeches or a Dave Rubin interview where they are never challenged.

[@jeffbenzos1017]

the act of trolling each other makes us better lol

[@Munch180]

Destiny, you should only debate people you agree with silly.

[@Lupostehgreat]

Spencer's point is incredibly devious BECAUSE it is stating a truth without context. Yes, an African American has it better than the average Ethiopean, at the moment, BECAUSE of centuries of European Imperialism destroying the previous kingdoms and civilizations of Africa, The Transatlantic Slave Trade causing a drain of talent and labor, and continual neo-imperialistic practices which continue to remove the agency of governments in the many African nations. The entire Western World is only as powerful as it is BECAUSE of the bloody, imperial exploitation of the Native American and African peoples, and we white people need to finally admit that and get over it.

[@zapotter45]

I used to have a very negative opinion about destiny until I listened to his debates. I would be one of the people he has swayed, to his side in searching for their truth.

[@brandonvestra]

3:29 Although I don't disagree with a lot of your positions, that's often everyone in your comments section in a nutshell.

[@jtrax4044]

Not a huge fan of you destiny, but you are one of the only reasonable voices ive heard on the left, so its not like nails on a chalk board, like the guy you are speaking to. You mentioned that you think J Peterson sounds like a crazy person, do you have any examples or ideally videos pointing out where you think he's wrong. Id be very interested in that. I think people dismiss him as crazy but dont give examples because they cant

[@SleepayGui]

"Don't argue the crazies, you can never change their mind" - Fan who won't change his mind

[@JapanAlex01]

How do you get in contact with Destiny to set up a debate? I'm a Marxist, and I'm pretty sure I can crush him in a debate about capitalism/socialism.

[@Dr0Clockwork]

Harass him on Twitter.

[@TidesNumber1Fan]

^

[@Narcissistic_Penguin]

Dude i'd love to see that. I'm totally on the fence about this whole capitalism/socialism discussion and his channel/stream is a great place to see these kind of debates unfold - get harassing on Twitter!

[@p8triotmode]

Alex Wilson PLEASE, I beg you to. Destinys ego has gotten so inflated that he thinks he is above everyone he debates at this point. His chat has an inflated ego as well. Although I am against socialism/communism, I would still love to see you debate him

[@calculator91]

Yeah, whats another couple million bodies on top of the 120 million your deluded ideology has already produced.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Guy has a fundamental misunderstanding of giving a platform, and debating ideas. The issue with the Trump election was not people debating Trump, it was people not taking him serious and not challenging things he would say. They sort of treated him like a joke, meanwhile he accrued all of this support until ultimately it was far too late for any other side to win. To me, as a socially responsible person (perhaps a tad bit intellectual), I think its sort of your duty (proverbial your) to challenge people when they speak misinformation (given the correct format obviously). In the case of Destiny, I have yet to see him just let someone spew misinformation or illogical arguments without challenging them. So what is the issue?

[@ladyrosemary5480]

It was Chris Matthews that pinned him down about the abortion issue

[@rando_webb8704]

Okay, just out of curiosity, Aiden Paladen may be a Conservitive, but how does that make her alt-right? Doesn't white identitarianism define the alt-right? And I really don't see that in Aiden.

[@excellagionne9988]

I like this version of destiny.

[@GessekaiMoon]

What is "this" version of Destiny? One who makes arguments against other leftists?

[@excellagionne9988]

Gessekai MB I like when he lays out both arguments and gives details on how he is for or against particular arguments. Usually he debates people from the right and gives them the opportunity to plead their case on how and why they have their views, this was a situation where someone was further left of him and he displays the arguments someone right of him would make, not only did he do that, but he did it in a fair and honest manner that someone right of him may have, even though he doesn't hold some of those views himself. You should respect fair arguments, even if you don't like them.

[@jamesmeow3039]

How can you be a platform on the Alt-Right if you genuinly and effectivley challenge their ideas?

[@malalalalala2985]

Destiny doesn't know enough about other countries... Ethiopia is not in ruins. It has a cities, preserved culture, etc Not a bad place

[@sittingbull7445]

I don't think Richard spencer advocates for black people to have less access to public institutions. If so someone inform me please.

[@blackblaze5271]

A lot of people want to make the point of how silly and dumb this guy is for not wanting to give a platform to the alt-right, but there's a level of legitimacy to most arguments. Wanting to give a platform to every idea is like saying we should argue against whether or not people breath, or if the color of the sky id blue. Most things that are self-evident or have already been discussed like Hitler is a bad guy really shouldn't be debated. Unless they've gained some kind of traction among idiots

[@unclefa4416]

fix the title: A Platform for the mentally challenged?-Debate with Fan

[@waynejenkins7349]

I can really see both sides of the argument here, you shouldn't let everything be a circle jerk. The right does it so much if a lot of left-leaning media figures are the only ones bringing the right to there platform. If you did this you'd just have 2 options of political platforming either right-wing media or debating. The debating would be where you hear right-wing talkers against centrist or left talkers. So the right wing get a voice on ALL media, but can block you from theres

[@rightofleft6280]

Disagree with Destiny on most issues, but DAMN, I have so much respect for him.

[@McImTheBear]

That guy is so very obviously from the city if he thinks that people didn't think that Mexicans were bad and that we should build a wall before trump. Where I'm from that was a pretty common thought amongst people before trump ran. instead of saying "I don't think people thought this" get some data!

[@LBPOWAR]

I mean, it's not like you're Rubening the shit out of them.

[@thejimd]

Destiny should change his name to Brietbart Jr.

[@Natakupl]

1. To say that black people benefit fro White subjugation is absolutely ridiculous. How can Destiny even say it's reasonable is beyond belief. Of course it is self evidently idiotic, the interviewer did a good job there. It's comparable to saying "People living in a flat that I burned down benefited from it. Because the ones that moved to a different house are better off than the ones still living in that burned down building. ". Absolutely ludicrous assumption. Get me on and try to defend this. 2. Yes let's perpetuate the myth that Trump won cause of SJW's and shit. Nevermind the fact that Trump didn't get any more votes than guys like Romney or Mccain. The reason why he won (well he didn't really win, he lost the popular vote) is because democrats ran a terrible fucking candidate that got them an abysmal voter turnout. Historically, when the voter turnout is high- democrats win. Looks like Destiny didn't follow the election all that close after all.

[@BASSsic]

yeah, didnt get much from this but "shut it down because i disagree".

[@vearheart42]

If you don't engage people then you just lose. You just let people express themselves uncontested and this gets a lot worse.

[@henryalbrecht2930]

*_BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT DESTINY_*

[@gomer921]

"the alt right has unfalsifiable points so im just kinda worried" then what is the problem????

[@jamesclement8985]

Flashforward: Turns out the fan was right. Destiny came around to his fan's view.

[@AB-ts3kl]

Destiny crushed him. This fan is the embodiment of why Trump is president and more and more people leave the left everyday.

[@poly.morphine]

No, that's not why people "leave the left." No one makes an ideological flip like that, especially over something like the way people on your side talk to the people on other. That's just a stupid fucking argument that makes absolutely no sense.

[@levvy3006]

Trump is why the Left is growing. Rightists have low lQ it's funny to see them "debate" lol

[@ravinglibertopian3226]

"This fan is the embodiment of why Trump is president and more and more people leave the left everyday." Wrong. People are leaving the left because they're tired of left-wing progressives who continue to violate the very same principles they claim to uphold. The left is all for freedom of speech, until you say something that doesn't fit their viewpoint(aka a right-leaning viewpoint). They're all for identity politics(BLM, La Raza, Islam, LGBT ,etc.) ; until white people start advocating for their preferences. They're all about tolerance ; until they find out that your a conservative, republican, libertarian, trump supporter or a pro 2nd amendment advocate. In other words, people are leaving the left because the left is morally bankrupt(they DO NOT practice what they preach). Though to be fair ; I really wouldn't say that the right is any better.

[@Neccronix]

Don't strawman Jordan Peterson, Destiny - he is no intellectual lightweight.

[@jakobk1315]

Are you trolling...

[@geekaleek]

*Destiny you're doing gods work*

[@TheQuantixXx]

18:35 lol but isnt that exactly destinys point, that people dont challenge his stupid responses?

[@SQBButtons]

I desperately want to see Destiny engage in a debate with Ben Shapiro.

[@moah2012]

Destiny would win but Ben Shapiro will make it appear that he “DESTROYED Destiny”. Just like against Cenk

[@SQBButtons]

I don't care about who "wins" or "loses" I just want to hear two very intelligent people debate their respective views

[@lawso3798]

This guy is so dangerous and wrong