A (Pricey) Roller Delayed Handgun! The Czech Vigrand 007

[@michaelwhite9199]

I’m always impressed these people can do technical sales pitches in a foreign language. I can barely ask for a beer in another language.

[@nathan_k]

Word. Imagine someone walking up to you at ShotShow in Vegas, then talking to you in German, on camera. Europe is multilingual, but company did a great job by hiring/sending her.

[@PlastiForge]

Damn, makes me feel like shit.

[@JacobNeff-oq5km]

Well, imagine if most of the states in the union spoke a different language from each other. Speaking 2 or 3 languages fluently is practically a prerequisite.

[@rugershooter5268]

Where are they most likely to sell lotsa guns.......just good business to send someone speaks English.......but at "pricey" not going to hit the masses

[@johnd4348]

Most Europeans speak English. Its taught in school. Classes are taught in English. We had some girls from Poland working where I worked who spoke better English then Americans.

[@theodoreheintz7891]

She did a good job had the answers and knew her stuff.

[@Skinkow]

And that's... Let's say...: 'impressive', why? Because she's a woman...? 🤨

[@RyTrapp0]

Pretty good english too

[@a1racer441]

Yeah I was surprised never know if they will butcher it or not she did great.

[@blaiseeltine9516]

James one of the few folk who knows how to get the relevant information from the interviews.

[@SeanLavin]

It’s the lawyer in him.

[@paulricelli5520]

And what calibers is it offered in? Any pics of that expensive roller system?

[@Excard0n]

A million times better review for a pricey handgun than the Elysian guy.

[@spookyz3292]

Preach

[@DBONE117]

Better presentation but I think the Elysian pistol is way better

[@vegeta420z]

I 👍 this comment before the video even started. The Elysium guy was a 🤡

[@Excard0n]

@@DBONE117 Is it though? All the guy kept saying is "look at the artwork" when asked about what mechanically makes it so good. I'm willing to bet it's a $10k jam-o-matic.

[@Gnolomweb]

SSHUT UUUPPPP IT HAD MAGNETS!!! LOTS AND LOTS OF MAGNETS!!!!

[@Kinny202]

She can beat James in a fist fight, 7 times out of 10z

[@RyeOnHam]

I mean, that's more than half of women. In fairness, though, James would let her win.

[@vintagestealth8802]

She can fix me

[@berettaguy923]

Once James has a few glasses of box wine, the short shorts come off and he's a beast.

[@Nerotique]

Any straight guy with sense would let her win.

[@sharpe67]

And he would like it

[@tylerfrogley1227]

I like that James just isn’t a dick but rephrased his questions or basically gets the answer he can interpret Yes it’s DA/SA hahaha Yes it’s a proprietary mag hahaha

[@RyTrapp0]

Semi-proprietary mag anyway - sounds like it's an easy mod to make CZ mags compatible

[@jason200912]

Same mag but you have to diy a notch cut to lock in . I think cz75 also takes beretta mags

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

I just tested this. Sadly the CZ75 and beretta92 can not take each others mags. The cz mag locks in on the beretta 92 but is too low to feed. The beretta mag does not lock in and jams the cz.

[@MikeBenko]

I think what she meant to say was that the mag is proprietary but the gun itself will take CZ mags as well as the proprietary mags. I might be mistaken tho.

[@jason200912]

@@MikeBenko no it means the body is the same but you have to diy your own mag catch hole. It's the same thing with how most hammer fired guns can accept a beretta/sig mag

[@Toledotourbillion]

I really like it when gun companies innovate to improve the shooting experience. Good on you ViGrand.

[@zen-Tii]

By reinventing the HK P9S?

[@Toledotourbillion]

@@zen-Tii Really? I didn't know there's one already.

[@RyTrapp0]

@@zen-Tii "Reinventing"? Why in the world wouldn't you just say that they ripped off the P9S? Is it because, if you look up their internals and compare them, there's actually almost nothing even similar between them outside of the fact that they're both roller delay? Great way to discredit a small startup's work, for no reason

[@AlteredState503]

Using 40+ year old tech? how is this innovative? lmao

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

“Hi, guys. I’m Ian McCollum and today on Forgotten Weapons we have a very neat gun: a Czech take on a secret agent pistol!”

[@bigredmed]

The Czechs built one of these in 1950. It was brought into service as the VZ52. Fun to shoot.

[@ExplosiveBolts]

Neat gun, but yeah. Far too expensive for what it is.

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

@@ExplosiveBolts agree, that’s why it will be “Forgotten”.

[@Giovanni-33]

Anastasia seems delightful. I noticed James Czeching her out too. :)

[@jimt2316]

Thumbs up to the camera man doing gods work.

[@j.jackson4182]

haha he didnt even flinch

[@indyfan0066]

She did keep displaying the pistol in a very advantageous filming position.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

POV you're a 14 year old

[@Squirl513]

​@rhubarbpie2027 im not 14. That was my pov. 🤷‍♂️

[@protennis365]

Also failing in gun safety.

[@CommentingTheTruth]

Thumbnail Challenge completed. Well done. Man knows what he's doing.

[@johnsanko4136]

Love seeing companies trying different ideas than basic blowback. I'd love to get accuracy comparisons between it and a more traditional target pistol as this is priced to compete with those more high end pieces.

[@evangraham]

Same, this type of stuff i like I am more likely to get this than the HK P9S

[@f308gtb1977]

Technically almost all semi-auto pistols are recoil operated rather than “basic” blowback, because the barrels lock to the slides and they both move together before unlocking. Pretty much all semi-auto .22’s and most 9mm PCC’s are “basic” blowback where only spring tension and the inertial resistance of the slide/bolt hinder opening. This pistol is “unbasic” blowback because it’s not truly locked, so pressure on the slide alone will open the breech, but along with the spring and mass resistance, it is further hindered from opening by leverage.

[@MikeInVBVA]

8 kilos is over 17.6 pounds, that's a hefty double action trigger pull

[@kendric98]

And all for only 3k😂

[@elektro3000]

Very heavy...and 800 grams is one and three quarter pounds, which is a VERY light single action!

[@RobinVerhulstZ]

Makes me wonder if they meant 8lbs DA (which is far more common)

[@kevint1911]

@@RobinVerhulstZShe used metric measurements only. She is chech and they the use metric system for measurements. I don’t think she meant 8 pounds.

[@BigDaddyGAO]

They need to adjust that DA trigger pull the SA is fine.

[@zendell37]

I appreciate that she answered honestly about the mag. It's like an open secret that every magazine is the same, but the catch hole is different. I appreciate to Sub2000 gen 2 taking advantage of that.

[@TexanApollyon]

You could tell she was very excited to show off the pistol

[@nicholasplesko533]

The Czechs make the best guns.

[@iansheinart9618]

Great video, Anastasia and James, both great hosts. Both listened and were respectful.

[@762x69]

Anastasia has great trigger finger discipline, good interview

[@KOAnonymously]

More innovation in firearms coming out of foreign countries than The US is crazy!I wanted to see a video of it firing.

[@jacobt1027]

if innovation means overpriced competition guns sure.

[@superrad1659]

Not that crazy lol. American companies make some good stuff but a few of the FREE European countries have been producing great firearms for quite some time. the Chechs and Germans come to mind for sure. Hate to say it but feels like the US isn't leading the pack in very many areas these days.

[@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273]

@@superrad1659 I wouldn't call Germany a "free" country. They have some of the most ridiculous gun and gun-related laws i've heard of in Europe. Maybe with exception of UK, Brits gotta take the cake here.

[@superrad1659]

@@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 I have no idea what their laws are in Germany, I just know some Euro countries CAN own and manufacture quality arms, while others outlaw everything down to "Zombie Knives" lol way to go UK.

[@wolfsworkshop9095]

Well... if you look at the history of gun design a vast number designs for small arms do come from Europe at the end of the day

[@dumbcooky276]

James Reeves turning into James Rizz with Anastasia 😂

[@ericgrumbles447]

RIZZ.... JAMES RIZZ... 💀

[@goodbonezz1289]

Superb. Superb interview. Probably the best we will see in 2024. Nice.

Anastasia's accent and that roller delay are irresistible. Put me down for a dozen. The pistol is nice too.

[@donovanchau3483]

Always the Czechs making the coolest yet most expensive handguns known to man

[@mythguard6865]

If I had a nickel for every time I’ve seen a Czech roller delayed pistol design I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

[@f308gtb1977]

😂

[@schifty1]

If you're talking about the CZ (vz.) 52, that was roller locked short recoil (like MG42) not roller delayed (like MP5).

[@tudyk21]

😂

[@SonsOfDeForest]

doing a lot of work to make something a little bit easier. its the czech way

[@retroturok]

Can't wait for PSA to release a clone for $599

[@TheWolvesCurse]

yeah and the quality to match the price. garbo tier

[@ashfield4313]

​@@TheWolvesCurseI've not had issues with PSA. Have you?

[@zendell37]

I agree. Most "first to do" companies have a high priced product. It's a hard pill to swallow. But it's a lot of R&D work plus start up machinery. If PSA were to copy it, they'd cut out most of the R&D cost since someone else has done it and they already have a manufacturing base.

[@zendell37]

​@@ashfield4313He'd have to own one first.

[@thekraken1173]

You can’t clone a newly patented design

[@tomasteply1956]

Really nice to see new gun designs from my country.

[@frankbrowning328]

CZ had a roller lock introduced and then used as a miltary handgun in the 50's. It was the CZ 52

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Unfortunately the little rollers were known to wear pretty fast. The logic of roller delayed (yeah, the CZ52 was locked, not delayed) when the Germans introduced it was that the rollers were from standard production roller bearings, so to replace them was not a issue.

[@davidgoodnow269]

Still 12,000 round wear inspection, 20,000 round mandatory replacement for expected wear . . . and it's something so easily done!

[@Sagebreaker]

@@davidgoodnow269 Indeed, all you need is a mag to pull the assembly out and small hex screw driver to tap out the retaining pin that holds the rollers in place. I believe Harrington still sells hardened replacement rollers.

[@davidgoodnow269]

@@Sagebreaker I should check that, thanks!

[@vencik_krpo]

The CZ 52 was a fully locked breach system, though. AFAIK, this is a roller-delayed blowback. So something closer to MP5; but the mechanism looks completely original, I don't recognise any resemblance to anything I know.

[@brianmoore1164]

Roller delayed has huge potential. It has been around for a while and I am glad to see it revisited. Fixed barrel accuracy is a huge deal, but they will have to crack the code on lowering the price.

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

I didn't see any rollers in the disassembled shot. It was looking like a lever delayed? Would have been nice if the rep had gotten into the details of the design. "One day, the CZ-52 met little makarov. It was love at first sight. Soon after their baby boy was born. Little Vigrand would wow the world as the new 007."

[@perarduaadastra873]

Laugo Arms Alien pistol is also Czech with a fixed barrel.

[@forkthepork]

Today on Forgotten Weapons...

[@GrenadierOverlander]

Now that is new. Never thought I would see a new pistol in my lifetime.

[@BertShackleford]

Leave it to the Czech's and the Italian's to develop some truly unique firearms. They love to think outside of the box. _"If you can dream it, you can do it."_ *~Enzo Ferrari* Stay classy my friends.

[@Enjoyer.762]

Is it more durable than a Glock 19? Can you acquire spare parts and do the preventive maintenance yourself? If not, where in the US would you have it serviced? You need to think outside of the "that's cool" box.

[@BertShackleford]

@@Enjoyer.762 Found the killjoy. Always several lurking among the crowd. You must be a blast at parties, _IF_ you even get invited. It's cute how you think I have to do anything you suggest. Nobody needs to abide your standards pal. Furthermore, if I wanted your opinion - *_I would give it to you._* Take care my friend.

[@crepuscularkitten4911]

Yeesh! "If I wanted your opinion - I would give it to you." *BURN!!!* [Michael Kelso • That 70s Show]

[@Enjoyer.762]

@BertShackleford You will get other opinions when you post public comments on a social media platform that allows for replies. That's how this functions, classy douchebag guy.

[@Enjoyer.762]

@@BertShackleford You will get other opinions when you post public comments on a social media platform that allows for replies. That's how this functions, snowflake.

[@danielthompson6511]

Great show in Nuremberg was stationed there back in late 80s earlier 90s got to go to the show when I worked at the base gun store was awesome

[@riversavage5608]

I like the looks of that pistol.

[@ianwalker3144]

I love the look of that pistol! I'm a sucker for some extra depth in front of the trigger, and the roller delay sounds very forgiving to old, achy hands. Thanks, James!

[@SEAKPhotog]

Did James just tell Anastasia that he was gonna call her and have her adjust his pistol?🤔😉

[@snowflakemelter1172]

No he's just got a hair trigger and Anastasia is going to help him with it.

[@user-tv4lz5ie5u]

I also noticed. He actually did it, the legend.

[@badazzmaro]

Excellent ergonomics for aiming und shooting.

[@mattolfson9230]

I think I'm in love. ... The pistol is interesting, too. 😊

[@markserbu]

Wow...I was very excited by the unique action but completely lost my chubby when the price was mentioned. It's cool, unique, and about 2 or 3 times the price it should be.

[@curthofmeister7249]

Thanks for showing us something different!

[@kananisha]

Relevant information and a screen full of eye candy. Hot darn 😂

[@dallasburnworth]

This is a fantastic innovation in pistols! Looking forward to how this changes the options in the market over time.

[@michaelinsc9724]

An 8 kilo DA trigger pull is absolutely ridiculous! That's over 17.5 lbs!

[@cowboypenguin]

SA can be "reduced for sportsman," 800g is 1.7lbs

[@ibrahim10910]

Very professional booth promotor Anastasia.

[@ThumperLV]

The undercut looks phenomenal.

[@mabs9503]

Very cool and cute gun.

[@moore4615]

Damn, the pistol looks huge.

[@reaperaf9511]

Looks about the size of a beretta 92.... my brother in law had a old military surplus one as his first handgun when he turned 21. Thing was a fixer upper, but worked pretty well... Now, back to the czech gun... it reminds me alot of the beretta. The barrel, the slide contours... even the general profile of the gun. Wouldnt be surprised if it was partially inspired by it.

[@oskar6661]

Large, heavy, low-capacity, expensive. What's not to like?

[@RyTrapp0]

@@oskar6661 Not every gun needs to be a s00per d00per carry gun or whatever - these "that's really cool" expensive guns exist because, yes, there is in fact a market for them, even if you aren't in it. And this is a really cool gun, even if I'm not in their market either(would be if I had the disposable income lol).

[@rickdeppat4456]

I've tried the trigger pull of that gun myself at IWA and just from the feel I would say its way less than 8kg ... More like 6kg which is still ok for DA. What bothered me way more were the fixed sights which looked more like from and old CZ 75 to me but have a proprietary cut according to the developer of the gun. So what good is the advertised super-accuracy if I have crappy fixed sights?

[@poisonouslead85]

And 0 ability to mount an optic out of the box in the year 2024. What are they doing?

[@buzzyinurface]

The intro and also the exit music was so badass

[@chriskellas2902]

Looks awesome, I'd love to try it out!

[@EternallyThankful-os6pz]

I am seriously impressed by how fluent in English nearly ALL of these foreign sales reps are. Most Americans - myself included - can barely remember "please , thank you and hello" in a foreign language...let alone actually hold a conversation !?! That gun LOOKS really cool and I'm intrigued by the design...would love to test drive one !!

[@neilfrasersmith]

In most European countries, English is taught in school from Grade 1 and is compulsory.

[@Locklear33]

Finally, something interesting❤

[@dzoinc1555]

Is anyone asking for this? Who sat at home thinking "you know, I really wished I had a roller delayed blowback pistol"

[@UFCPR]

Anastasia is a hottie! 🔥

[@DBONE117]

Anastasia! 😍

[@Landoftheignorant]

That’s all you homie.

[@DBONE117]

@@Landoftheignorant shiiiiiiiiiiit

[@rogermurtaugh4766]

Someone's never been laid... well 2 ppl (James also)

[@DBONE117]

@@rogermurtaugh4766 can confirm. 💪

[@bobocan17]

Y’all some haters hahaha

[@lachesisatropos5139]

James, you need to have this on your podcast for testing. Very interesting.

[@Raddz5000]

It looks super cool, very unique look.

[@watariovids1645]

Cool pistol. The Bill boarding on it is a little over the top though.

[@MansMan42069]

​@@darud3sandst0rm and why is he boarding?

[@TheOz91]

I actually thought about how I would design a roller delayed pistol like a couple of weeks ago. Somehow I knew somebody would do it

[@Andrew_182]

CZ and HK had done years ago. Not trying to talk down on this, but it isn’t the first time.

[@thekraken1173]

⁠@@Andrew_182 Add Geiger, Korth, Korriphila

[@FelixValentiCh.]

I think we all have

[@tartredarrow]

As a rabid roller locked CZ52 owner AND a CZ75 owner, the price made me laugh in such a maniacal manner that had you been present you'd probably creep backwards out of the room.

[@lizzardwizard2000]

Price is completely whack.

[@davidgoodnow269]

This looks like the CZ-70 grew up! I like it, the lineage is clean and the production quality looks superb . . . can you please do a 500-round burn-in?

[@justinr9784]

That gun looks... really big in her hands 🤩

[@jin-yang-]

Nice Design. It is concealable size. Its size is between full size and compact size like Walther P99.

[@Axemantitan]

When she said 8 kilo trigger pull, I wonder if she meant 8 lbs, but said kilo out of habit (being from a metric country.)

[@SavageGerbil]

8 kilos?! They looking for the NYPD market with that 17 1/2 pound trigger?

[@natep3]

I would buy one.

[@haraldgeiger47]

Can't wait for Ian to get his hands on one.

[@ЛеонидМосковой]

this thing looks so cool!

[@wadepage5823]

Everything sounded great until she said the price.

[@onpsxmember]

Even while needing exposure, a lot don't want to buy a billboard. Damn, I missed this booth! Walked past it for 4 days.

[@orenthalsimpson]

A suppressor would be nice on it with the fixed barrel and being roller delayed

[@transtubular]

No mounting anything under the barrel apparently. Do you push the hammer forward like on a Daewoo?

[@skyhop]

I would have liked to see the internals a bit better, I'm curious how that system is setup.

[@michaelw2263]

OK, this thing is really slick!

[@knastera]

I have a Czech roller delayed gun, the CZ52. It was decades ahead of its time.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

It was roller locked.

[@Yellow_Flannel]

It’s nice to see innovations. Even if they all look a bit funky.

[@dennisobrien2578]

More please!

[@John-lz3hf]

I'm sorry, 8 kilogram pull weight on the first shot is bonkers. Maybe, it's my smooth brain, but google tells me that's 17.637 lbs. That can't be right? Said at 2:17 and repeated at 2:31.

[@RyTrapp0]

8kg DA pull seems like a lil bit of an issue, one that could be very hard to ignore. I'm really hoping we see some reviews of this thing though, I'm very curious about how it shoots.

[@patrickkelly-ts8nz]

I liked this video for the Anastasia

[@alexporter560]

when will this be available in the states?

[@danielcurtis1434]

The browning tilting actions been an asset and a problem. Like Glocks/stricker fired have caused stagnation.

[@1001Hobbies]

I have a roller locked handgun already. The CZ VZ-52.

[@raifsevrence]

Cool pistol. Wonder if some of them will find their way into US competitions.

[@MrCalicious]

I bet this would make a really simple base for a killer PDW in the future.

[@marcelsvitalsky8993]

Elysien, Vigrand… interesting firearms, however those prices are just not competitive, I don't believe they can succeed with this. Do I see future episodes of Forgotten Weapons in the making? Anyway, greetings from Prague, Czechia.

[@frankdamsy9715]

I haven't looked into it, but I'm tempted to say they exist solely for the patents their inventors filed

[@KillerRedVine]

Isn't the CZ-52 roller delayed? It's also in the spicy 7.62x25.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

That was roller locked.

[@alucardthedumbyhead7970]

This year in IWA we are taking a look at the guns from cyberpunk

[@dennislosee]

She knows her stuff

[@artlife9563]

Looks interesting, no other videos on it anywhere. They should show it being fired.

[@jamesg9391]

Very cool pistol! I would love to have one, but it is priced too high. Thank you for reporting on this 😀👍🏻

[@jknewb6276]

I can't stop looking at 1:36 I like it and don't like it all in the same. Fixed barrel is a plus but the 2x4" scabbing piece is throwing me off

[@JulioAvalos3000]

That's one sexy firearm. It would be nice to see it in 5.7.

[@davidhartley6232]

Amazing English! ❤

[@redeye8526]

no optic cut, no light rail , proprietary mags unless youre skilled with a dremel and have too much free time. oh and its $3,250 in USD . damn i wanna like it but this is crazy.

[@stormshot119]

Very pretty handgun. I hope it does well

[@peterbunnell2373]

Hi, Anastasia! Weight of the pistol? (Holsters will have to be custom made.) I like it!

[@491robson]

Capacity? Magazine?

[@EnokInTheTunic]

Will any of these be imported to the US?

[@lucashenry6281]

Can we get the website’s link?