A Foursquare Pastor Who Started Agreeing With the Catholics - Kenny Burchard

Kenny Burchard was a Foursquare pastor for a number of years, but even becoming Christian in the first place as a teenager was a source of conflict in his family, because of his parents' complicated feelings toward religion.
During his time as a pastor, he began to make several discoveries about Christology, Scripture, history and the sacraments and found himself agreeing with Catholic thought on more and more questions.
Kenny shares how he came to the conviction that it wasn't enough for him to just agree with the Catholics on all these things; he needed to join them in their communion with Christ.
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[@ericballi4701]

As a life-long Protestant, who is a current attender of and believer in Catholic Church (not official), this is the best explanation I have heard so far of the thought process that occurs within the mind of a Protestant who is searching Catholicism.

[@faithalone2171]

*R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

[@imageone2152]

watch Peter, the Rock, the Keys, and the Chair - Steve Ray

[@Sirach144]

Yeah, but he came from Pentecostalism that was a false Christian denomination either way

[@lluchadden4040]

I have never been to an activity in the Catholic church that bashes other faiths, but I have been to other churches that bash Catholics. It says everything to me.

[@KennyBurchard]

Sadly, I did this Catholic bashing a lot when I was a non Catholic pastor. My 33 years as a non Catholic saw more instances of this -- many of them quite viscious and uninformed -- than I can count.

[@savedbygrace8337]

Spreading the word is not bashing it Is truing to reason with the unsaved as commanded biblically. If you see someone about to drink poison You are obligated to warn them. John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

[@bananapie2198]

@@savedbygrace8337 Warning someone is different than ridiculing them or spending 30% of a sermon straw manning or making something up about people of another faith. Unfortunately that happens all the time and we all need to strive to not do it.

[@savedbygrace8337]

@@bananapie2198 be specific please.

[@bananapie2198]

@@savedbygrace8337 It happens all the time. My wife was Baptist and started to get annoyed that the preaching in her church spent alot of time telling the congregation about what other people who called themselves Christians but really weren't, instead of preaching from the Bible. She heard all sorts of things about what Catholics believed until she met one who said "no, we don't believe that." At first her response was "yes, you do!" but then realized how silly it was to tell someone else what they believed. She eventually started asking questions and learned that most of what her pastor was saying about other Christians was wildly misrepresented or flat out untrue. When that happened it was a domino effect from there. My best friend is Baptist and he tells me all the time what I believe and sends me sermons from his pastors that wildly misrepresent or are inaccurate or blatantly false regarding Catholic teaching. I haven't heard it in the Catholic Church yet although I see plenty of nasty comments from Catholics on KZbin. But my point specifically is we should be aiming for unity and not aiming for division through misrepresentation and ugliness.

[@faithofourfathers]

This is great! When I reverted to the Catholic Church after 26 years of Protestantism, I was so relieved to be home. Catholic apologetics was instrumental in leading me home.

[@Kitiwake]

Well said

[@GarthDomokos]

humorously I came back to the church because of what I witnessed in other faiths

[@atrifle8364]

There is a sense from the universal reaction of American Protestantism particularly that either the Catholic Church must a demon driven and hideous cult...or it really must be correct about everything. For sure, nothing else really appealed to me when I was away. The only other church I even ever thought seriously about was Anglicanism.

[@savedbygrace8337]

2 Thessalonians 2:11 “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”

[@PInk77W1]

I love all these Protestants coming into the church and working for the church. Awesome

[@solafide9533]

*R ctists pretenders think R ct = the Church. Hilarious.*

[@andrewscotteames4718]

“I’ve gone too far. What am I doing not being catholic?” That’s where I am at right now. I’m looking for reasons to not be catholic, or as I put it, I am doing my due diligence to make sure I haven’t over looked something major.

[@daishoo]

Major things: Baptism's role on salvation Church or bible pillar of the truth? What do the keys and the power to bind means? Does God forbid images or idolatry? Is bowing "to" an image a true and unmistaken sign of idolatry or not? Do we actually bow TO the image? The words of Christ, and its repetitions, about the nature of the Eucharist tell it to be His body or just a wafer? Are people saints if they live a life of true obedience to Christ's commandments or not? Are the saintly deceased dead or alive in God? If they are alive could they or not intercede with Christ by praying for us? Also, if such people are saints (separated for God), Is Mary a saint or not? Is there hierarchy in Heaven? How could her act of acceptance, the salutation of the angel, the salutation by st. Isabel and her own prophecy while praising God compare her to all these other saints? I think if you cover it, and you will find plenty of evidence for the cases above in the bible, i am sure you will convert to Catholicism. But, if you are still unsure, you should read what the Christians who first learned from the apostles believed and practiced...there is no escape from there! Pax Christi!

[@Meraikie]

Hi Andrew, I have listened to this podcast and noticed that you wrote this letter about becoming Cstholic. Although it is a year later, I sincerely hope that you found your way to Catholicism. I have converted about 35 years ago, and I can only say that God was good to me by leading me to His one True Church. All honour and glory to him. God bless you!🕯🕯🕯

[@kvin949]

Best wishes on the journey xx

[@gracianomendoza8671]

Wow! Just wow my brother, welcome to the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic church. It was really a calling from the Holy Spirit. You were guided by Jesus and his mother to His church. Super WOW! God bless you!

[@Totem360]

Roman pride is not a virtue but rather a vice. Christ said, "the last shall be first and the first shall be last" see you egotistical Romans at the end of the line.

[@Totem360]

@Troll Patrol Roman Church leadership does not boast in the Lord, they boast in the traditions of the Roman Emperor who is long since dead flesh. That's what much of Catholicism is about; boasting in the traditions of the Roman peoples. That tradition included conquest by violence, the great Roman cultural principal. That's not to say there are no Christians in the Church of Rome, of course there are, it's simply points out that even to this day the egotistical need to dominate other people's is strong in much of the Catholic Church, especially the leadership. Human flesh is attracted to this type of power. It brings a false sense of security and fleshly community. Not all that Rome promotes is in error. May the Holy Spirit open your eyes to what is truth and what is fleshly pride coming from Rome.

[@NotFromConcentrate]

"Catholics added books to the Bible!" "Correct, all 73 of them."

[@benadettechepkirui6233]

No, when Protestants left the Catholic Church they ommited those "added books"

[@boykulet2118]

The books already exist when Protestant came the Book became 66.. Then try add 6 666 😂

[@bananapie2198]

@@benadettechepkirui6233 would sincerely love to hear from you when and how you think those 7 books were added. I want to understand your perspective. Thank you.

[@twoody9760]

@@bananapie2198 All 73 books were in the Bible when the canon of scripture was established by the Catholic Church near the end of the 4th century. There was no canon of scripture until this time.

[@bananapie2198]

@Troll Patrol Check your name and then examine my post and see if the two line up. ;)

[@LovedbyJesus23]

I had a similar experience with the Holy Spirit telling me to go into a Catholic Church! 😱I also felt, almost like a magnetic pull to go into the church!

[@gracie3174]

That pull is the Holy Spirit….that’s how He works through us. Keep praying for Him to guide you. 🙏

[@brianjulian5230]

I just did, do it.

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

That happed to me twice. It was a pulling, as you say, and something else, it felt like love.

[@Vincenzo-wn1or]

That happens to me everytime I walk past one too 🙏✝️⛪ Have you taken the sacraments, especially eucharist? Bless

[@LovedbyJesus23]

@@Vincenzo-wn1or Yes! I’m Catholic now.🎉🎉🎉🎉💖

[@florlindaesguerra7192]

I'am proud Catholic. Thank you for your powerful testimony. I am inspired and thankful to our Lord Jesus Christ for these testimonies. Welcome home brother. I am from the Philippines. God bless us all.

[@merrybolton2135]

Why o why do you think to be a PROUD catholic is a good thing . As a atheist ,I thought pride was a sin in your delusional church . yes sin sin sin sin , don't you love the idea of SIN

[@shivasirons6159]

Florlinda, i visited subic bay as a young sailor, the people were so nice and friendly, my aunt met a sailor from P.I. When he had liberty in our city, they were married for almost 50 years. Uncle freddy , a wicked cool guy! God bless.

[@danielmeadows3712]

@@merrybolton2135 hi Mary Bolton 2135 ,hope you and your family are well.Yes I agree the word proud is a poor choice of word ,but I think she means she is proud of the Catholic Church not of herself? Perhaps grateful would be a better word? God bless you and your family.

[@chilenobarrucia]

how could a Christian say that he follows only the Bible and at the same reject the Catholic doctrine. The Bible is deeply Catholic!

[@engrkourin129]

Your testimony was so touching.. I almost cried. Welcome home Pastor. 😇🙏

[@AngelitoBasco]

Godbless Bro.

[@leojmullins]

This is a honest and clear explanation of the journey I took. Except, I was born and baptised Catholic before rejecting it and having to learn the truth of it from journeying through dozens of Protestant variations of the truth.

[@atrifle8364]

2:04 - Parents do offer "Figure it out for yourself" as either a well intention option or because they don't know themselves. But it's a terrible burden for a little kid.

[@christinebravomom5711]

When my kids were little, we had a wonderful teen babysitter with a passion for Christ and the Bible. One day, she approached me, very seriously and with great love, saying she had been told at her church that Catholic are not Christians, yet she had seen that we most certainly were. She asked about the usual things ... Purgatory, Mary, etc. ... and I explained Catholic doctrine in terms I thought would meet her where she was at that time. She pondered it all and said that, while she didn't agree, she did see how we could truly be biblical Christians while holding these teachings to be true.

[@Totem360]

Bravo Mom, good testimony. Wheat and tares in all churches. Always been that way.

[@HannahClapham]

@@Totem360 So, was this babysitter wheat or tare? She took very serious differences and surmised that they made no difference because she subjectively “felt” that this family was devoted to Christ. And this to you is noble? She could have done the same for a Mormon family or a JW family or a Prosperity Gospel family or a Oneness Pentecostal family.

[@Totem360]

@@HannahClapham language is often insufficient in conveying reality. I took it to mean in reality not that she felt, as an emotional feelings, but that she has seen evidence as in fruit, you know fruit of the Holy Spirit, that she saw good fruit, and in her discernment that is the babysitters discernment, determined that as Christ said we will know them by their fruit, that it was quite possible, based upon the hard evidence of the fruit, the good fruit, that they had indeed received Christ as their savior and his work on the cross as justification, and thus now being sanctified were producing the fruit of the Spirit, regardless of the errors, and there are many, in the Roman Catholic Church. It may just be when Christ said, do not judge, that he was referring to people as yourself who judge people as unsaved and heathen when they know not the person but merely hear of them, and have not seen the actual fruit, or the lack thereof, but a representation of it in language only.

[@HannahClapham]

@@Totem360 I must admonish you for being so judgmental as to judge me for being judgmental! I mean, you don’t know my heart, right? 🤨 The Bible really doesn’t tell us not to judge. That is a misrepresentation of Matthew 7:2. The verse is telling us to be very, very careful, for we will be judged with the same standard by which we judge others. Instead, Scripture tells us to “judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Indeed, this passage exhorts us not to judge by appearances (which seems to be what the babysitter did) but by using due diligence to figure out what is actually the case. Any ultimate judgment of another person is left to God alone. We are too limited, too fallible. We can never know enough. On the other hand, it is often our Christian duty to discern, as closely as we can, the state of somebody else’s faith. How else can we properly help them? I had a student once, a devout Muslim, who, in terms of the “Gifts of the Spirit” was head and shoulders above his Christian classmates: so humble, so generous, so respectful! I have also known Mormons who have exhibited a joyful and welcoming attitude towards others that far outstripped any I knew in the body of Christ. I think it obvious that part of our discernment of others needs to center on the CONTENT of their theological commitments. One must be faithful to the teachings delivered to the Saints.

[@Totem360]

@@HannahClapham correct, but it did seem that you judged in that you changed her words seeing, she saw their fruits, and you change the word into feelings. Now I may have made a mistake, I've made mistakes before, but in changing her language and then bearing down with a negative connotation seem to be rather clearly judging. If you weren't judging, please accept my apology and I'll stand corrected.

[@emilyloppy7970]

The Holy Spirit Is The Truth. As The Catholic Church. Your Are Welcome In The Name Of Our Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless You

[@nievesfrancisco5134]

I AM CATHOLIC 🔥❣️🕊️🙋

[@nmhg]

I'm a craddle Catholic that grew up with the Charismatics and I can assure you that the Holy Spirit definitely speak to us Catholics too, the problem is we often just don't listen to Him or realize it's the Holy Spirit speaking to us. It is in the Bible itself, both new and old testament and in our Creed. Jesus even reasures the apostles that he will leave the Holy Spirit with them and we see Him act several times in the Bible but specially so in Pentecost, which is celebrated in the Catholic Church every year.

[@davidmoser9934]

WOW that was great welcome home brother. VIVA CRISTO REY

[@KennyBurchard]

Thanks, David! God is good!

[@allengiese605]

Sad to see that Anti Catholic Bias is still living in the minds of many of our Christian Family....But Like Kenny, Myself and many others, The Holy Spirit is leading the way, Shinning the light and breaking down wall of ignorance that divides the Precious Body of Christ...Come Holy Spirit

[@tony1685]

@@allengiese605 is it really 'bias', Allen? question for ya - and we can keep it very basic and clear, easy to comprehend: does God's church know God ? does God's church love Christ ? does God's church walk in Truth ? does God's church prepare for Heaven ? all these are found in Scripture. you can find them in 1 John 2:3, John 14:15, 1 John 2:4 and Rev 22:14, respectively. so this isn't at all about 'bias' now , it's about your integrity. please read these and give a very clear and undeniable 'yes' or 'no' - that God's church matches these, please. i was catholic 35 yrs and still today, no catholics can answer this with accuracy and integrity. it's just not possible they answer these and remain catholic. i am hoping Kenny reads this as well, he won't answer - he can't answer. again, no catholic can. thanks for reading, Sir. i look forward to continued discussion on these Truths i've listed from the Word of Truth (John 17:17).

[@finallythere100]

So good to see another person on the quest for uncompromised truth breaking thru the barriers. You have discovered the origins, and the full Deposit of the Faith! Welcome home, Brother. We cradle Catholics also have explored other faiths to let no stone of Roman Catholicism go unturned. If one is honest, truth will prevail. Led me to traditional Catholicism. Blessings, blessings, blessings ton you!!

[@tony1685]

@@finallythere100 catholicism doesn't follow uncompromising Truth, Sir. don't you have a Bible? or do you just not understand It?

[@gerrytyrrell1507]

Listening in from Ireland

[@firianto]

As an evangelical Christian, this is very refreshing to hear as I have been wondering about the same thing. I’ve been watching Bishop Baron for a while, but still don’t have the courage to go to a Catholic Church.

[@xtreme_survival7879]

Fred Irianto Brother don't be shy to go to a Catholic Church, you will be welcomed with open arms, remember she is the Bride of Christ.

[@aarona.8219]

I’ll keep you in prayer Fred! May you have the courage to step into the Catholic Church. Peace be with you

[@bobolivas539]

@@miracles_metanoia I love my Latin Mass, but not a good place to start if you've never been to a Catholic service.

[@firianto]

There’s St. Thomas More Church not far from home, so I might start there…….

[@justthink8952]

Before becoming a Catholic, the tenets of beliefs must be examined carefully with an open mind. There is a lot to lose leaving behind what you have now. What you gain should surpass what you have now. It's tough to be a Catholic unless one is convinced of the belief system to be true.

[@rudyandrade1407]

This gentleman is correct! The Bible was canonized under Pope Damasus .He was 37th Pope after St.Peter. He held a ecumenical council of Rome year 384. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit produced the first bible . It was the first Bible. Called the Latin Volgate. Complete with the 27 books of the new testament.

[@sumbarine]

that wasnt a ecumenical council.Popes of Rome were just a bishop out of many in the 1st millenium

[@SuperAntonio1979]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 Peter was a bishop of Rome Biblical sources support Paul’s presence in Rome and According to legend, Peter was in Rome and early church fathers support peters presence in Rome. These written historical accounts are facts. Something that fundamental Protestant’s either try to re-write history, ignore or twist sources to support their heresy

[@roybiv4499]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 Then who was the 1st Pope??

[@richlopez5896]

It was the Council of Rome in 382. It wasn't an Ecumenical Council It did give us the Bible

[@rebn8346]

@@sumbarine who compiled the Bible and on whose authority?

[@EugenieKikango]

Liturgy is the heart of the Mother Church! Il love our Church!

[@nando1584]

Beautiful, rn im kinda going threw the same thing . Been going to mass for a year already but now im taking a step to my first communion

[@cominghomenetwork]

Beautiful!

[@annakareninnav2427]

Thank you for sharing your coming home story! You have blessed my life all the way from 🇵🇭

[@johnfrancis4401]

Parents tell children to brush their teeth. If on reaching the age of 18 they decide not to do this - that is their right as an adult. The laissez faire attitude is dereliction of parental duty. Thank God this man found God.

[@johnfrancis4401]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 No he found God.

[@ilonkastille2993]

What a nice honest man.

[@sushilaloganathan9586]

What a powerful testimony!! God bless you abundantly.

[@batboy49]

I am a convert from over 20 years ago, I was a Pentacostal. Conversion scared the daylights out of me, I thought I might be possessed at the time. It amazes me that people can still convert even with Pope Francis. The Holy Spirit is working on people despite the rotten leaders we frequently have.

[@Kitiwake]

What wrong with pope Francis?

[@justthink8952]

I like the phrase "even with Pope Francis". Yes our pope doesn't seem to know simple facts sometimes because he gives doses of ambiguities with inclination towards heresies from time to time. His document of fiducia supplicans created a furore in the Church especially in Africa.

[@glorialabella6361]

Welcome home to the Catholic Church. 🎚🎚🎚

[@dinaandrade5415]

Oh wow! This is a beautiful testimony! I love your story and your conviction. Thank you.

[@JenniferJones-ry6ji]

ITS ALL ABOUT JESUS_ HIS LOVE .AND MERCY. OUR SAVOUR_🙏🏼 HIS HAND WRITING IS ALL OVER THE EARTH & UNIVERSE_HE HATES EVIL_""FAITH ""

[@PatrickSteil]

I just realized something. All denominations are dependent on the Faith, Bible and Tradition. What they are missing is the Magisterium - some authority - to help them know which traditions are from God and which are from man. Praise Jesus that he started a Church and for the Church, through the magisterium to bring us the Bible and the Sacraments so that we can live Jesus filled lives.

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

The teachings and traditions of the Magisterium are from scholarly and prayerful discernment by faithful Christian men who knew scripture, the culture and times it was written in. Many more wise men of faith read, poured over them, discussed and contemplated them throughout the centuries. Some of the earliest of them were taught by the Apostles themselves. If their understanding of the faith is not reliable, I don't know what is. Their leadership was and is needed. We are blessed to have it.

[@PatrickSteil]

@@lyndavonkanel8603 Amen Lynda! What is so funny is that the tradition of American Protestantism has taught people to listen to any random Christian speaker (in the past 500 years, and more so modern alive speakers) and take their teaching as it is authoritative, but don't give any weight to the 2000 year old tradition of Christianity in fact distrust it and many belittle it without even studying it. But of course we have to realize that this is the fault of their tradition, not themselves.

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

@@PatrickSteil So it would seem. Thank you for your supportful comments. They were good to read after being foolishly blasted by someone such as you described. Have a blessed day.

[@PatrickSteil]

@@lyndavonkanel8603 Yah, I am grateful that the Church helped Catholics to see that we have to be charitable to our fellow brothers and sisters in the Faith. That antagonism and rudeness is not going to help anyone see more of His Truth.

[@christianstephens7213]

Im from a Penecostal background looking to join the Catholic Church however I think there are these anti - catholic sentiments I grew up with in the back my mind telling me I made the wrong choice please pray for me

[@joecastillo8798]

@christianstephens7213 Christian, Just remember our Lord Jesus Christ founded just one Church; it's called The Catholic Church because of the mission Jesus sent it in: • Matthew 28:19-20 19. Going therefore, teach ye ALL NATIONS: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. 20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I AM WITH YOU ALL DAYS, even to the consummation of the world. Jesus Christ never left His Church; just like He promised.

[@KennyBurchard]

Yeah. I get it

[@cominghomenetwork]

Please let us know if we can help you in any way!

[@davidwoodho1736]

The Lord will guide your ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@Immortalsouls]

Welcome home! Great story and God bless!!

[@cynthiahall9297]

Thank you for sharing this. Very thankful the Lord lead you to becoming one of us 🙏🏻

[@soccerhub2543]

Amazing testimony!

[@faithalone2171]

​ @Barb Wellman *You still cannot explain why two third of NT says Salvation is Not By Works. Why is that so? Please answer.* Luke 23:43 - the thief at the Cross believed in Jesus and he was in Paradise thereafter. NOT WORKS! John 1:29 - Christ the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of the world ... (NOT OUR WORKS) John 3:16 - saved by believing in Jesus. NOT WORKS! Acts 16:30-31 - saved by believing in Jesus. NOT WORKS! Rom 4. Vs 1-2 - justified NOT BY WORKS! Vs 3 - Abraham believed (FAITH) and was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS. Vs 4 - WORKS are debts . Vs 5 - he who DOES NOT WORK is JUSTIFIED . Vs 5 - God justifies the ungodly, Vs 5 - FAITH was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS. Vs 6 - Blessedness Apart from WORKS! Imputation of RIGHTEOUSNESS by FAITH. Vs 8 - imputation of RIGHTEOUSNESS apart from WORKS! Vs 9-10 - Abraham was made RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH BEFORE ANY WORKS! Vs 9-10 - Abraham received seal of RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE FAITH by imputation. NOT WORKS! Vs 11 - Promise to Abraham was through RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE FAITH. Vs 14-15 - Faith is made void by works of the law, works of the Law brings Wrath, Not salvation. Vs 22 - Abraham believed (FAITH) and was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS . Vs 22 - RIGHTEOUSNESS imputed on those who believed. Not those who WORKS! Rom 11:6 - IF IT IS WORKS, IT’S NO LONGER GRACE . 2 Cor 5:21 - GOD made Jesus who knew no sin to become sin for us, that we might become the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. Gal 2:16 - not justified by WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT BY FAITH IN JESUS. BY WORKS OF THE LAW, NO MAN IS JUSTIFIED! Gal 2:21 - if RIGHTEOUSNESS comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. Gal 3:1-5 - Paul said Christians who started by faith, why end up following WORKS of law (not only Mosaic laws)? Are you made perfect by flesh (WORKS)? Gal 3:1-5 - Did God do miracles by your faith believing or by your WORKS of law? Eph 2:8-9 - saved by grace through faith NOT BY WORKS. Eph 2: 8-9 - salvation is a GIFT. NOT WORKS! 2 Tim 1:9 - saved NOT according to our WORKS. Titus 3:5 - saved NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. 1 Pet 2:24 - Christ (the Lamb of GOD) bore our sins … (NOT OUR WORKS).

[@noblena]

“ I HAVE TO BE CATHOLIC”, Thank you for sharing your testimony.

[@tony1685]

shows how lost people can be when they don't understand Bible basics. none have to be catholic - catholicism isn't Christianity and it promotes sin.

[@rhwinner]

@@tony1685 Hi Tony, Good shabbos to you and yours, my friend!

[@rudyandrade1407]

Don't listen ignorance.

[@ddzl6209]

@@tony1685 precisely the satanic cult of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man, tried to destroy the church of saints established by Jesus under the stewardship of Peter for the last five hundred years but utterly failed instead managed to establish fifty thousand heretic churches. No gates of hell will prevail against the church of saints Jesus himself promised to Peter and will remain till he comes back.

[@tony1685]

@@rudyandrade1407 if that sick man will disrespect what our Creator sanctified, blessed, made Holy - there's no telling how he treats his family and 'friends'. one sick puppy really! *Happy Sabbath!!!* thanks for posting Rudy. i pray your day has Jesus in It!

[@faithalone2171]

​ @Barb Wellman *No Bible does not say that. You are b washed by R ct regarding "mortal sins". Bible does not teach that.* *Bible teaches "all sins lead to spiritual death". Romans 6:23.* *Roman ct teaches "only mortal sins lead to spiritual death". 1 John 5:16-17.* *Consequently R ctists sin all you want except some "mortal sins". Lol. Pure ns m m doctrines. The problem is: R ctists can never list out what R ct called "mortal sins".* you said Bible also says that the baptized who return to their former mortal sin (and are unrepentant of doing that) will not enter the Kingdom of God.

[@aadschram5877]

Kenny, powerful testimony!

[@tony1685]

powerful, but sad. catholicism promotes sin.

[@aadschram5877]

@@tony1685 Truth is not sad, but hard.

[@tony1685]

@@aadschram5877 Truth is sad for those who choose catholicism over Truth, as Kenny has. it's sad, because it was hard, even impossible to this point, for him to accept Truth and realize that Truth shows us clearly that catholicism just can't be God's church. i know. was catholic over 3 decades and believed it was right. i was way wrong and so is Kenny now.

[@KennyBurchard]

Thanks. Praise God!

[@tony1685]

@@KennyBurchard you abandoned our discussion, Sir. why is this? i am guessing that, like *ALL OTHER CATHOLICS* - you couldn't disprove His Commandment so had to run off the other way. this will never change. you're fighting a losing fight. catholicism promotes sin and is evil. this will never change.

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman *This is of course B. Why? Real Presence refers to Presence of Jesus during communion. Not asking R Catholics to eat of Jesus Physically - c lism.* *Christian Churches teach what the Bible teaches - remembrance of Jesus' death till He returns. Bible teaches "eat of Jesus spiritually" 1 Cor 10:3-4. Not Physically. No R catholic can prove its "physically". No early writings ever said its "physically". None.* *So its R Church preaching another Gospel.* you said I already know that your denomination preaches another Gospel in that you reject Christ'Presence in the Eucharist.

[@barbaraaspengen9810]

You are totally awesome 😎

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman *You are still misquoting Scriptures. You are pretending "real" = physical. "real" does not have to mean physical. It can mean "real spiritual body" too.* you said Christ speaking here: John 6 47Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.” 52At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For My flesh is real food, and My blood is real drink."

[@laurenentwistle1207]

Beautifully expressed testimony - thank you so much for sharing!

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman *You meant early writings that had deviated from what the Earliest Church Fathers (Jesus APostles ane nt Church) had taught?* *How is that a proof for doctrines? WHich is more accurate? Earliest Church Fathers (Jesus APostles ant nt Church) or latter deviations?* *I havent seen any early writings that says "7 sacraments saves". Versus "Jesus saves or believe in Jesus to be saved"* you said The evidence is also secure in the Early Church and the writings of their bishops and martyrs. The Church continued to practice seven Sacraments.

[@ourlifeinwyoming4654]

I've never been told to stay away from other faiths by my Priest or Bishop, but I've been told by good intended, loving people that I should immediately leave the Catholic Church. My conclusion is that my Priest and Bishop are very confident in the faith and can keep me there without leaning in a negative way.

[@remyam.613]

First find out which Church was established first ? And who established it? Then you find out When did your church come to existence and who started? Then try to know - what is meaning of Catholicism? Then try to go deeper to understand: If the Catholic Chirch is continuing from the beginning to till now, there might be something in the deep level whatever practices are in Catholicism. Otherwise it could not have lasted. The largest religious organization is Catholic organization. I too am not a Catholic. But I think Catholicism is true and original Church... Others have just made up their own and still some are making different groups claiming that their church is true church. We need to go into deeper level. I am not able to leave my family out of fear ..My family is Lutheran. But I feel Catholic is true church . I have gone to many churches and seen it. They never preach against any group, but other groups who came after 1500 years of Catholics, they speak ill of Catholicism, which is wrong I feel. Hope by this December, I will get into Catholicism... I feel deeply that There is full truth in Catholicism,which we dont undestand. We as himan being, cant rationalize some of the things, rather we need to believe. Thank You.

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman ​ *No it’s not proven. You still cannot prove those were sons of Mary cleopas. Stop pretending* *You are still deviating from what you are supposed to prove and changing subject. Please continue with the main questions on Jesus' brothers and R Church = Jesus' Church or successor of Apostles proof.*

[@amazingcommenter]

Anti Catholicism is in "every dish" in Protestantism like anti Christianity is in Islam.

[@kynesilagan2676]

and Anti theism in Atheism

[@davidhall2197]

When one says "the Catholic Church is the one and only true church", are you not making the Protestants feel exclusionary? So, I guess anti-Protestantism is in "every dish" in Catholicism like anti Christianity is in Islam.

[@romain3935]

@@davidhall2197 is that you must understand what it means that the Catholic Church has the fullness of the revelation and that all the other religions have only a part of the revelation. example: in the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church there are 7 sacraments but among the Protestants there are more only if I am not mistaken at most 3. Among the Orthodox and Catholics there are not many differences but Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son while the Orthodox claim that he only proceeds from the Father to the Son. Sorry for the orthographs I'm not an english speaker, i speak french

[@davidhall2197]

@@romain3935 More arrogance from a Catholic.

[@romain3935]

@@davidhall2197 what ever you think it's, it's not my problème, just trying to explain you the fact and at this point try to make understand that it's not because catholics don't like protestant that they are saying that but It's because We believe in what was teache since the begining of the church. And what's True is that protestantism rejeted a lot of traditions of Church that even the Orthodox never rejeted. I'm sorry if in my way of speaking look to you like an arrogant way of speaking, but I was just trying to explain why catholics around the world are saying that. I realy believe what I'm saying to you. Ps: excuse my english also if it's bad 😅

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman *But you have not proven R Church was that Church. So please prove. So far i only see claims.* you said As I've already shown from Scripture, He commissioned His Church with His authority to evangelize "feed and tend His sheep and lambs" through seven sacraments. St. Paul was liturgical, sacramental and Eucharistic as was St. Peter, all the other Apostles and those they ordained. The evidence is also secure in the Early Church and the writings of their bishops and martyrs. The Church continued to practice seven Sacraments.

[@gedat5538]

When one is truly honest, intelligent and humble, you will discover the Catholic in you; the Holy Spirit will lead you there and no where else. Welcome Pastor!

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman *It is clear you cannot prove "7 sacraments save" theory. Bible does not teach "sacrament saves". Bible teaches "Jesus saves" or "believe in Jesus to be saved".*

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

It was a real joy hearing your story about joining us. Thanks for sharing it.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Roman pagan doctrines contradict the Scriptures in every possible ways. Clearly a man made religion.* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity. you said If you had read either and looked at the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church you would see where the latter comes from.

[@margiekulallad1681]

God Bless you brother may the God use you powerfully with the anointing of the holy spirit be always with you

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Your statements stemmed from lack of knowledge. From all the verses on Church and Churches, Bible says Church refers to "all local churches + all believers". So that so called "1 Church" refers to all Churches. Not Roman pagan religion. WHere in the Bible ever said Roman pagan religion = the Church or Universal Church? Still waiting for your proof. You kept dodging .. it's embarrassing.* *Despite of all your claims, Christian Churches still share the same 90% Core Doctrines. Bible does allow different interpretations of Debatable Issues. Romans 14, Col 2. Absolutely biblical stuff. Romans 14 and Col 2 described Churches doing that in the Bible. RCs lack knowledge.* *There are no 30k denominations. If you claim have, please list them here.* 1 2 3 you said Jesus founded 1 Church and prayed for unity. There is none amongst protestants. They can't agree on central doctrines like baptism or salvation or whether the gifts of the Holy Spirit are ongoing. Are you saying there are only 30,000? Which rock have you been hiding under?

[@gerryrepash6706]

Chesterton talks about seeing a parade walking through town and there is incense, altar servers, priests, a book, bishops, and the Eucharist. One could be forgiven for saying none of it is worthwhile, but to take only pieces and rejecting the rest makes no sense. I'll take the Bible, maybe some hymns, a few prayers, but forget the rest. It doesn't make sense.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Again fallible opinions of fallible writers is NOT A PROOF for doctrines. Infallible doctrines come from infallible source - Scriptures.* *1 Cor 11 does not resemble Roman pagan doctrines. 1 Cor 11 does not teach Roman pagan Mass (sacrifice Jesus on the altar back to God) or Roman pagan Transubstantiation (elements transform into Jesus to be eaten by Roman pagans).* *Heb 7,9,10 says clergy priesthood, altars and sacrifices were already obsolete. So where did Roman pagan altars and Roman pagan priesthood come from?* *Cite me one APostle who "sacrifice Jesus on the altar back to God" or "even set up an altar during communion". If you can find that i will give you a lollipop.* you said So you have not read them. OK. Ignatius of Antioch says keep away from those who deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. (A does Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:27-34 which is very Catholic. So you have not read either Saint Paul (in the Bible) or Ignatius.

[@applin121]

Tremendous 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Already replied on that. Learn to read. It's embarrassing.* *Church is indeed the pillar of truth. But Bible says God's Word is truth. Jn **17:17**. ANy Church that preaches truth of God's Word is pillar of truth. Roman pagan religion does not teach God's Word as truth. Roman pagan religion is clearly not any pillar of truth.* *Acts 15 says even NT Church took doctrines from Scriptures Only and not from any other source. Roman pagan religion is clearly not the Church in Scriptures.* *RCs claimed to believe in early writings. Early writings said Scriptures is the pillar of truth. And early writers mentioned Churches followed Scripture Alone. RCs love to cherry pick what to believe in.* you said Again I will ask: What is the pillar and bulwark of the truth?

[@susanmann8643]

What a beautiful journey! 💕🙏🏻

[@KennyBurchard]

Thanks be to God, Susan!!!

[@faithalone2171]

​ @paulamadden1766 *If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved

[@williamcabell142]

I see conversion in his future! Preachers convert to Rome, weak Catholics become weaker nondenominational types! When you find the truth and history of the Catholic Church, you have no choice but to convert the one true Church of Christ!

[@faithalone2171]

​ @paulamadden1766 *Yes the usual ns from Roman pagans. Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already there in all churches by ad100s. Jesus and APostles already called Scriptures Scriptures. Yet Roman pagans pretended Scriptures only came by ad400. Tha'ts total lack of knowledge.* *And God did leave us Scriptures. Stop saying God did not leave us Scriptures. Is OT not Scriptures to Roman pagans?* *Jesus did not say PEter was pope or bishop of bishops or head of the church like what Roman pagans claimed. Stop making false claims you cannot prove.* *Jesus did not say Roman pagans inherited any authority of Peter or was successor of Peter and Apostles. Stop making self claims you cannot prove.* *Jesus did not say "Roman religion = the Universal Church or Church Christ founded". Neither Scriptures or real history mentioned so. SO where did Roman pagans get all your false claims?* you said What we are trying to say is that tradition plays as big. A part in the Catholic Church as the Bible does. Goodbye is a product of the Catholic Church. There was no Bible for the first 400 years. It was just all done by passing down through word-of-mouth by the apostles disciples. And church authority figures add the counsel to Rome. Around 480 is when the Bible came into being so the church was in existence. Before the Bible, Jesus did not leave a book. Or a Bible he left a church and gave the keys to the Kingdom to Peter. Most evangelical or protestant churches believe in Sola scriptura, which means they only believe in the bibler Scripture and do not have the tradition that the Catholic Church has. Therefore, it is easy to understand why you cannot see the way. I've Catholicism a lot of what we do was done in those first 400 years. That was just passed down through word-of-mouth and is not in the Bible. So you can't just say that. If it's not in the Bible, it's not so when the Catholic Church because a lot of what is done was done before there was ever a bible by the apostles. And they're disciples. I'm not sure

[@juliobarragan2356]

Ammennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Hilarious false claims lack of knowledge. If all churches followed that canon, why do we still have 66, 73, and 81 books canon till this day? Lol* you said Well, all the Churches followed the cannon from then on.

[@lizleary101]

Love the mother story

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Both are false teachers of this pagan Roman religion. Deceived and blind.* you said Like John Henry Newman and Scott Hahn did.

[@Apriluser]

Evangelical turned Anglican here. My evangelical roots taught me to love Jesus; my Anglican community has given me a rule of life, a liturgy (Sarum rite) to shape me, and an ecclesiology that gives my faith a history and depth of 2,000 years.

[@lifestylelatinaincambridge8024]

Anglican was created by Henry VIII in 1534. Catholic Church by Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. England is Catholic since I century.

[@markgasparini6577]

While the High Anglican liturgy appears quite similar to the Catholic liturgy in outward appearance, the difference is actually infinite. The Priest has the power to bring the Lord Jesus physically to the altar, the Vicar/ Minister can not. That's just one instance. Why drink from the puddle when you can drink from the spring.

[@SiniSimon]

Wasn't that an invention of King Henry to marry the Boleyn girl?

[@Apriluser]

@@SiniSimon No. Henry died an RCer.

[@SiniSimon]

@@Apriluser Really? So who founded the Anglican Church, I know the ruling Monarch is head of the Church of England, how do these connect?

[@faithalone2171]

​ @paulamadden1766 *My question remained: Where in the Bible says “partake 7 sacraments to be saved”? Versus “believe in Jesus to be saved” John 3:16?*

[@RGTomoenage11]

“The Catholics added books to the Bible”. Said the Mormons while they added a whole book and prophet 😂

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Remain unchallenged: I have read more antenicene fathers than most Roman pagans. Nowhere did they say “Roman pagan religion = Church Christ founded or the Universal Church”. Neither did they promote Roman pagan man made doctrines of Roman pagan Mass (sacrifice Jesus on the altar back to God) or Roman pagan Transubstantiation (elements transform into Jesus to be eaten by Roman pagans).*

[@charliegeorge4247]

Good

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *Not having altar is correct and biblical. Not sure where Roman pagan altars came from. Heb 7,9,10 says clergy priesthood, altars and sacrifices were already obsolete. So where did Roman pagan altars and Roman pagan priesthood come from?* *Cite me one APostle who "sacrifice Jesus on the altar back to God" or "even set up an altar during communion". If you can find that i will give you a lollipop.* 1 2 3 you said Baptist an Pentecostals do not have altars on which to offer sacrifice so they do not worship at all and Methodists do not have a priest to offer sacrifice so they do not either. Accordingly you do not worship God,, you merely honour and venerate him.

[@youtubepolice892]

💗

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman *You are just misquoting Scriptures once again. Paul did not say illnesses was due to perceiving it as "physical" versus "spiritual". You are once again using your m m narratives and fallible speculations as doctrines.* you said Again, another example where Catholics are more 'bible' than what Protestantism professes but doesn't actually support. St. Paul wrote that those who weren't discerning the Body and Blood of Christ in the bread and wine were heaping judgement upon themselves, becoming sick and dying.

[@barbwellman6686]

1 Cor 11: 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the Body and Blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the Body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @BensWorkshop *You are still dodging like a typical RC in circus. Where in the Bible or real history ever said “Roman religion = the Church Christ founded or the Universal Church or the true Church”? Where?*

[@faithalone2171]

@anonymous1984y *You are lied to by this Roman pagan religion. The first lie this religion tells you is "Roman religion = the Universal Church or Church Christ founded". It was not. Bible and real history did not say so.* you said Here because i was raised protestant and I'm realizing the things that bother me and have been bothering me for a long while are all answered in the Catholic Church

[@faithalone2171]

​ @Lynda Von Kanel *Bible is clear: Salvation is Not by Works. Roman ctists love defying God and His Words. That's what organisation called Roman Catholic ct is known for - defiance.* *Two third of New Testament that says Salvation is Not By Works (Faith Alone Doctrine)* Luke 23:43 - the thief at the Cross believed in Jesus and he was in Paradise thereafter. NOT WORKS! John 1:29 - Christ the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of the world ... (NOT OUR WORKS) John 3:16 - saved by believing in Jesus. NOT WORKS! Acts 16:30-31 - saved by believing in Jesus. NOT WORKS! Rom 4. Vs 1-2 - justified NOT BY WORKS! Vs 3 - Abraham believed (FAITH) and was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS. Vs 4 - WORKS are debts . Vs 5 - he who DOES NOT WORK is JUSTIFIED . Vs 5 - God justifies the ungodly, Vs 5 - FAITH was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS. Vs 6 - Blessedness Apart from WORKS! Imputation of RIGHTEOUSNESS by FAITH. Vs 8 - imputation of RIGHTEOUSNESS apart from WORKS! Vs 9-10 - Abraham was made RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH BEFORE ANY WORKS! Vs 9-10 - Abraham received seal of RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE FAITH by imputation. NOT WORKS! Vs 11 - Promise to Abraham was through RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE FAITH. Vs 14-15 - Faith is made void by works of the law, works of the Law brings Wrath, Not salvation. Vs 22 - Abraham believed (FAITH) and was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS . Vs 22 - RIGHTEOUSNESS imputed on those who believed. Not those who WORKS! Rom 11:6 - IF IT IS WORKS, IT’S NO LONGER GRACE . 2 Cor 5:21 - GOD made Jesus who knew no sin to become sin for us, that we might become the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. Gal 2:16 - not justified by WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT BY FAITH IN JESUS. BY WORKS OF THE LAW, NO MAN IS JUSTIFIED! Gal 2:21 - if RIGHTEOUSNESS comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. Gal 3:1-5 - Paul said Christians who started by faith, why end up following WORKS of law (not only Mosaic laws)? Are you made perfect by flesh (WORKS)? Gal 3:1-5 - Did God do miracles by your faith believing or by your WORKS of law? Eph 2:8-9 - saved by grace through faith NOT BY WORKS. Eph 2: 8-9 - salvation is a GIFT. NOT WORKS! 2 Tim 1:9 - saved NOT according to our WORKS. Titus 3:5 - saved NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. 1 Pet 2:24 - Christ (the Lamb of GOD) bore our sins … (NOT OUR WORKS).

[@faithalone2171]

​ @Barb Wellman *Remain unchallenged:* Romans 4. Vs 1-2 - justified Not By Works! Vs 3 - Abraham believed (Faith) and was accounted as Righteousness. Vs 4 - Works are debts . Vs 5 - he who Does Not Work is Justified Vs 5 - God justifies the ungodly, Vs 5 - Faith was accounted as Righteousness. Vs 6 - Blessedness Apart from Works! Imputation of Righteousness by Faith. Vs 8 - imputation of Righteousness apart from Works! Vs 9-10 - Abraham was made Righteous By Faith before any Works. Vs 9-10 - Abraham received seal of Righteousness of the Faith by imputation. Not Works! Vs 11 - Promise to Abraham was through Righteousness Of the Faith. Vs 14-15 - Faith is made void by works of the law, works of the Law brings Wrath, Not salvation. Vs 22 - Abraham believed (Faith) and was accounted as Righteousness . Vs 22 - Righteousness imputed on those who believed. Not those who works! Rom 11:6 - If it is works, it's no longer grace

[@solafide9533]

*R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @Barb Wellman *Still dodging? Where in the Bible or history says “Roman ct = Christ’s Church or the Universal Church “? Where is your proof? Still waiting…*

[@BarbTaylor-g2k]

There was one sacrifice. Jesus is not in a wafer. Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. Jesus is the one mediator. Don't believe the papacy's false teaching. They are a generation of vipers. Read the KJV Bible.

[@faithalone2171]

​ @Barb Wellman *Remain unchallenged: 150+ verses say Jesus, Apostles and NT Church appealed to Scriptures Only for doctrines. Not once they took doctrines from traditions of Moses or Pharisees. This already proves Sola Scriptura.* *Roman ctists love defying God and His Words.*

[@solafide9533]

​ @S Rich *Scriptures was already Scriptures before any "canon". Jesus and Apostles all said so. So you are wrong.* *Original Greek word for Scriptures - Graphe refers to partial or full holy writ; which means whichever available scriptures current or to come. So once again proves you are wrong.* G1124 (Thayer) γραφή graphē Thayer Definition: 1) a writing, thing written 2) the Scripture, used to denote either the book itself, or its contents 3) *a certain portion or section of the Holy Scripture* you said Think about it. When Paul quoted scripture as “scripture” before he died, much of the NT had not even been written yet. So when Paul said “scripture” he was meaning and using the OT scriptures. 🤦‍♂

[@solafide9533]

​ @Barb Wellman *You are still dodging: Roman ct teaches "only mortal sins lead to spiritual death". 1 John 5:16-17. Bible teaches "all sins lead to spiritual death". Romans 6:23. WHo is right? Bible or Roman ct?* *Consequently R ctists sin all you want except some "mortal sins". Lol. Pure ns m m doctrines. The problem is: R ctists can never list out what R ct called "mortal sins".* you said Bible also says that the baptized who return to their former mortal sin (and are unrepentant of doing that) will not enter the Kingdom of God.

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​ @Barb Wellman *Yes more tales from the spurious writing. WHich part says R Church = the Church? Why do you keep going in circles and copypastingnsbly?* you said "The word catholic comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου katholou 'on the whole, according to the whole, in general', and is a combination of the Greek words κατά 'about' and ὅλος 'whole'. The first known use of "Catholic" was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans." Christ's prayer to God for Church unity: "20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one- 23I in them and You in Me-that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me."

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​ @Barb Wellman *So now you are resorting to using spurious writings as proof? Even writings of Ignatius did not say R Church = Christ's Church or the Universal Church. So where is your proof that it was so?* *Scholars and historians say most if not all of Ignatius writings were spurious.* you said "The first known use of "Catholic" was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD)." "St. Ignatius of Antioch was the third bishop of Antioch and considered an apostolic Father because he heard the Apostle John preach. He is thought to have been ordained by St. Peter according to the ancient text of Theodoret ("Dial. Immutab.", I, iv, 33a, Paris, 1642)."

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​ @Barb Wellman *I should rephase. "Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus". Bible does not teach that. Where in the Bible says "Physical"? which is C lism?* you said You: "Catholics say drink of the literal blood". No, Christ said that: Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you. John 6:53 St. Paul was Sacramental and Eucharistic: 1 Cor 11: 23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My Body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My Blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this Bread and drink this Cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 27Therefore, whoever eats the Bread or drinks the Cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the Body and Blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the Bread and drinks of the Cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the Body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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​ @Barb Wellman *Misquoting. You are copy pasting from R Catholic sites without checking those verses. None of the verses actually said they were children of Mary Cleopas. If you can find that i will give you a lollipop.* you said Lastly, James and Joseph (Matt 13:55) are later identified in Matt 27:56 and John 19:25 as "Mary the mother of James & Joseph" (but not Simon and Jude) and "Mary the wife of Clopas". Rev 12:17 correctly identifies those who are the children of His Blessed Mother: "Then the dragon (Satan) was enraged at the woman (Blessed Mother of God) and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.".

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​ @Barb Wellman *This is called plucking one verse out of context and disregarding the whole chapter. John 6:47 is clear what this meant. It is "believing in Jesus that gives eternal life". Not some C-lism.* you said John 6: But whoever eats of My Body and drinks of My Blood has eternal life, and I shall raise him in the last day.”

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​ @Barb Wellman *Too bad. This is OT. Not NT. NT was written in Greek. Not OT. Hebrew OT did not use "adelphos" since its a Greek word. OT was written in Hebrews. Not Greek. You are just pretending its so. It's not.* *In Greek, there are two greek words for cousin - Anepsios and Sungennis. If NT authors wanted to mean cousin they would have used that. So all your theories go into the drain.* *Still nowhere says Mary was forever a virgin - even after giving birth to Jesus.* you said Abraham called Lot his "brother" in Gen 14:14 when he was his nephew. And again "brother" is used in Genesis 29:4 addressing non relatives: “Jacob said to them, “My brothers, where are you from?” And they said, “We are from Haran.””

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​WAS THE BIBLE A ROMAN CATHOLIC BOOK? ⭐ Was Bible a Catholic Book? ⭐ The answer is No. Bible was never once a R Catholic Book. Council of Rome did not fix any canon for the whole of Christendom. It merely cited 27 books canon. It's citing, not fixed. Neither Carthage or Hippo which were African councils. Not Roman councils. Bible was merely a compilation of Scriptures that was already there in all churches for 300 years. Any church can compile what was already there for centuries. Compiling books does not make R Church any more superior than any other churches. Neither R Church any Universal Church that it claimed. R Church was merely a local church like all other churches. Compiling books does not make Scriptures inspired too. Jesus and Apostles were already using inspired Scriptures in their days. Not 300 years later. R Catholic ct claimed to come up with the Bible, but too bad. Ot was from the Jews. Not R Catholics. Even nt was written by Jewish Christian Apostles. Not R Catholics. Not Catholics. R Catholic Church came in ad 300s. It has not a dime to do with writing any Scriptures or making them inspired. To claim that is to usurp Jesus and Apostles' authorities. By Jesus and Apostles' authority, Scriptures was already inspired. Jesus did not say it needs to be authenticated by a Roman council to be made inspired. It was already inspired. Neither did Jesus say Scriptures needed to be canonised to be Scriptures. ⭐ Where did Scriptures come from? ⭐ Scriptures was of Jewish Christian Origin! Scriptures was written by Jewish Christian Apostles and Jewish Prophets. 2 Thes 2:15. Not R Catholics. Scriptures came by ad 100s. Scriptures was committed to the Jews. Romans 3:1-2. Not R Catholics. Bible was the tradition of the Church (collectively all churches). Not the effort of a single local church called R Church. Bible came 300years after Scriptures.* Scriptures ot and nt as we see today was already in all churches by Ad 100. Canon came when many churches affirmed the canon in ad 300s. Not the result of R Church alone. The 27 nt canon first came from a Christian named Athanasius. The R Church took it and claimed as its own. 2 more African councils affirmed the canon. Though there was no ecumenical council that decided the canon, all the churches more or less agreed with the 27 books canon. The truth is: there were still other canons floating around after ad 300s such as in ad592 and 1442.* ⭐ Does compiling make Scriptures inspired? ⭐ The answer is No. Bible was merely a compilation of Scriptures which came 300 years before R Catholics did anything. Jesus and Apostles were already using inspired Scriptures. Compiling does not make Scriptures inspired. Neither does it change anything. Scriptures was already in all churches by ad 100s. So there is nothing for R Catholics to brag about. Anyone can compile books that was already there for 300 years.* ⭐ Was Jesus and Apostles already using inspired Scriptures? ⭐ The answer is Yes. They could not be using uninspired Scriptures could they? ⭐ Did R Church came up with the canon? ⭐ The answer is No. ⭐ Did Council of Rome fix any canon? ⭐ ​Council of Rome did not fix any canon. It merely cited 27 books canon. Not fix. Neither did Rome give the world any Bible. Compiling books that were already there in all churches for 300 years does not make Scriptures inspired. Jesus and apostles were already using inspired Scriptures; unless you claimed they used uninspired Scriptures? ⭐ What about Hippo and Carthage? ⭐ Council of Rome or Hippo Carthage were merely local councils. They only have jurisdiction over their local communities .. namely Rome and Africa. They had no jurisdiction over all churches in all parts of the world. Only ecumenical/universal councils with bishops of all churches had the authority to decide things for the whole of Christendom. Nothing of such happened. Council of Rome did not decide a canon for all churches (Church). Neither was Church of ROme the Church or Universal Church. ⭐ Was there an Ecumenical Council that fixed the canon? ⭐ The answer is No. There was not a single Ecumenical/Universal Council with bishops of all churches that fixed any canon. Not one in Ad300s. The only councils R Catholics make claims of were local councils 1 Roman council and 2 African councils. Local councils did not have jurisdiction over all churches. Neither can it make decisions for all churches. Only Ecumenical Councils with authority from bishops of all churches can do that. Therefore what R Catholics say were just claims. ⭐ Then who fixed the canon? ⭐ Jesus did not say we need a canon. Neither did He say any canons need to be fixed. Jesus and Apostles were already using inspired Scriptures during their days. To say otherwise amounts to h sy.* ⭐ Was R Catholic Church the same as Catholic Church? ⭐ The answer is No. “catholic” in all early writings referred to all churches/all believers. Nothing to do with a local Church called R Catholic Church which came in ad300s. It is the claim of R Catholics that they are one and the same. But we know its not. How do we know? - Orthos also claimed to be the Catholic Church. So who is right? R Church or Orthos? - Bible says Church refers to all churches + all believers. So how can R Church a local church be all churches? - R Catholics can never prove when R Church really became the Universal Church. When asked which year it happened, they have no answer. Their only answer was always “R church says so” or Mat 16 or 1 Tim 3:15 say so (which they did not say so). ⭐ Was R Catholic Church the Church founded by Christ? ⭐ There answer is No. R Catholic Church was not founded by Christ. The First mentioned Church was Jerusalem Church. Acts 2. Not R Catholic Church. The First Believers were Jewish Christians. Not R Catholics. Acts 2, Acts 11:26. ⭐ Was R Catholic Church the One True Church? ⭐ Bible does not say a local church is the Church or the one true church. The Church in the Bible refers to all churches + all believers. How we know? Just take out all the verses the mention Church and Churches in the Bible we will know what they meant exactly. ⭐ Founding of R Catholic Church ⭐ R Catholic Church came in ad 380 when Theodosius decreed the Edict of Thessalonica. Christianity became the official religion of Rome - which later became what we called R Catholic Church. In ad 300s it was called Church of Rome or the Latin Church or the Western Church. It was just a local church. It became prominent due to its backing from Rome and later became part of the Pentarchy consisting of 5 prominent local churches - Rome, Jerusalem, Antioch, Constantinople, Alexandria. Pentarchy + all local churches then formed the Church or the Universal Church. R Church was never the Church.

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​ @Barb Wellman *Still no proof of R Church = Jesus' Church. You will have to prove this first before you claimed "R Church had any authority to add doctrines not from Scriptures"* you said When Christ commissioned His Church with various degrees of His authority, those are Sacraments: Ordained male priesthood, Trinitarian Baptism, Reconciliation from sin, Eucharist, Confirmation / Chrismation, witnessing Marriage vows, Healing / Exorcism.

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​ @Barb Wellman *Your twisting of Scriptures is hilarious. Bible does not teach "saved by committing bodies, minds, and spirit to the Will of God". Bible says "believe in Jesus to be saved".* you said We are being saved when we fully commit our bodies, minds, and spirit to the Will of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

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​ @George Fuentes *Doctrines come from infallible Scriptures. Not from your fallible opinions. Scriptures is always correct. Roman ct is always wrong. Roman ctists love defying God and His Words.* *Yes i agree .. you need to repent!* you said Can’t wait for @faith alone / @SOla Fide to realize he is wrong one day and convert to Catholicism. I would hope he repents at how he talks to people on the internet and apologize to you.

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​ @Barb Wellman *More tales. You are just copypastingnsbly. Which part says marriage saves? Versus Jesus saves?* you said St. Paul writing here: "14 For the unbelieving husband is made holy through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy through the husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, whereas in fact they are holy. 15 If the unbeliever separates, however, let him separate. The brother or sister is not bound in such cases; God has called you to peace. 16For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband; or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"

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​ @Barb Wellman *R ctists love concocting tales. Bible does not teach "partake 7 sacraments to be saved" ns. Where is that in the Bible? You are the one preaching another gospel rejecting God's Salvation of "believing in Jesus to be saved".* you said You preach another Gospel when you reject God's salvation in His Baptism and Eucharist.

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​ @Barb Wellman ​ *You are still fri3d on all subjects:* You still cannot prove your claims: - r church = Jesus’ Church - r Church = successor of apostles - r church had any authority to add extra biblical doctrines - r church followed traditions of apostles and Jesus. - Mary was sinless or perpetually virgin - Jesus' brothers were children of Mary Cleopas - m m doctrine on salvation by pope, Mary, sacraments, .. - why 95% of R Church doctrines did not come from traditions of Jesus and Apostles?

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​ @Jennifer Wagster *Then you are proving Christian doctrine. Not R Catholic doctrine. What is in the heart is "believe in Jesus to be saved" like what the Bible says. Eph 2:8-9, John 3:16.* you said What matters, in other words, is what is in the heart.