A Prototype Build that DIDNT WORK OUT...Feel My Pain. (Build #5)

[@TheVirakahScale]

I do feel your pain. This happens wqy too often. But we learn a lot with each new failure!

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@TheVirakahScale yes indeed! I learned never to do that damn spine again! Lol

[@josericardomartinscerdeira161]

I like the sound! Post more videos!

[@OverNightLuthier]

@josericardomartinscerdeira161 Will do, maybe I can make a comparison video of all the guitars I've made. I'm about 3/4 of the way done with #6

[@ontherhodes8088]

I love hearing guys from the States saying "millimetres". Greetings from Australia.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@ontherhodes8088 lol I don't like inches, I know them better offhand but I like using millimeters a lot. Welcome to the channel!

[@jeffc4682]

Hey man, I just wanted to say I'm hooked on your videos. Looking forward to whatever you build next. Love your attitude and sense of humor.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@jeffc4682 Thank you so much! I'm actually building #6 right now. I'm correcting all the errors from this video lol. Just making a really thin guitalele. Out of some really cool looking wood. :)

[@ademilsonjosedesousa6530]

Meu nome é Ademilson.... Sou de Brasil...... Maravilhoso trabalho......

[@OverNightLuthier]

Thank you so much Ademilson! This was a fun build but disappointing outcome, I will most likely begin working on a better version today or tomorrow, I really appreciate you watching!

[@DouglasThompson]

I fail all the time...you know this. But as you said, we learned something at least. ;)

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@DouglasThompson I feel like we are deeply connected.

[@athmaid]

Props to you for taking PPE seriously

[@OverNightLuthier]

@athmaid oh yes...it's why I sound like Darth Vader for the video lol

[@athmaid]

@@OverNightLuthier yeah that's how I knew lol. Better safe than sorry

[@OverNightLuthier]

@athmaid oh ya, on the first build I didn't wear a mask and I inhaled a ton of wood dust and I was coughing a lot. Lol I agree, better safe.

[@totallynotkrew]

as a fellow luthier i can say that you are doing great! keep it up man

[@totallynotkrew]

also, maybe you could sneak a piezo pickup in there to make it like a godin multiac or tod10n type hollow body. but nonetheless at least you are innovating

[@OverNightLuthier]

@tluteo yes, my next experimental guitar is in the works but the next more traditional build guitar will be the next "build" video I edit together. I am righting the wrongs in this video. I want a great sounding little guitar and I will achieve it the next build I believe. You have any videos I can watch? I'll check your channel. :)

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@totallynotkrew yep, the under saddle pickup is my plan to make this thing more useful. Lol

[@cheapskate8656]

Good video. Trying new ideas isnt failing, its learning and testing. The guitar looks good. The following is my opinion and might help with future builds. The sound ports are not really sound ports, they are air ports. All the sound is generated by the strings causing the saddle to vibrate, which in turn, vibrates the top. The top converts that energy into sound we can hear. So, most of the sound we hear is coming directly off the front of the top. The traditional centre hole is there to let air move in and out of the top so that the top isnt fighting air pressure. The sound radiating from the top to the inside of the guitar will also be louder than otherwise due to the hole but its not the primary purpose. In other words, the internal baffles probably wont do much. The central brace was big as you noted. However, did that brace actually glue up against the baffle under it? If it did then you pretty much made a semi hollow guitar. Nylon strings apply approximately half the force of a steel string guitar so bracing should be fairly light if possible. Many acoustic guitars are shallower at the neck end. It is theorised by some, that this affects the speed of sound/air travel internally. Could be worth experimenting with extremes of this concept if it interests you.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@cheapskate8656 I thought about literally routing this guitar out and removing the spine but I figured it would be better as a reminder that not all ideas work out as theorized. I'm building another right now and have got alot of the grunt work done already. Might be able to finish it by this weekend or early next week. Thank you for all the info!!!

[@cheapskate8656]

@@OverNightLuthier We cant make anything great or original if we are not prepared to take chances and make mistakes. Keep up the good work!

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@cheapskate8656 ill do my best! Hope to see you in the next one!

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Two things: - Use hide or fish glue for acoustic instruments. It's much easier to open the instrument later if you have to, though it has a much smaller window than wood glue. With wood glue, you'll tear chunks off the top when you try to open the instrument to service inside. - For hairline cracks, the glue alone is not strong enough to hold both surfaces together and they'll separate once pressure is applied there. After gluing both halves, you should glue a cleat on them from the inside.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@BrunodeSouzaLino Thank you for the advice! I have looked at hide glue and fish glue but as you said the set up time being quicker is a problem for me because I am still not experienced enough. Thank you for the suggestions on the cracks as well. Luckily this guitar was just a prototype and not a build I put my all into. The new guitar I'm working on now will be similar to this one but have none of these issues. :)

[@SleepyPantsSimRacing]

I crash all the time... but I get that car back on track, and even if I finish last, I learned something.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@SleepyPantsSimRacing I'll have to check out your videos!!!

[@tallyankeegal]

go ahead and finish it, not so bad at all!

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@tallyankeegal I'm actually learning to like it the more it sits around. I pick it up BECAUSE it's quieter and smaller than my other guitars.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@tallyankeegal I ended up testing some shellac on the guitar so it now has a finish. Only thing I haven't done is the headstock.

[@zacharybrucker5314]

I love watching people build instruments. You have a good concept but something you're doing is leaving the insides of the face plate and back plate completely flat, resulting in the sound not being able to flow more freely through the instrument. If you were to dish out the insides of those plates, the instrument will sound more open and it will resonate better and sustain for longer.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@zacharybrucker5314 I feel it's not worth the extra effort most of the time. I might carve out the back on the one I'm working on now to see if it's worth it for the future. This video you watched was just an overall bad design. It was a fun idea but I wonder if it would have worked if i hadn't put the center spine in there...

[@c3N3q]

I think it's an awesome guitar. Is it not possible to take it apart and remove the brace? I've definitely seen people ungluing sides and back and perform surgeries...

[@OverNightLuthier]

@c3N3q definitely possible but I'm not skilled enough to do that without damaging the very delicate layers. I actually made a new version of this idea without the Chambers but same size. Video will be up tomorrow! It's too bad I implemented that spine in the center though because I'm sure it would have at the very least sounded decent without that. What I plan on using it for is to test my builds in different environments. I an going to bring this guitar with me when I travel to see if my builds can handle different climates.

[@c3N3q]

@@OverNightLuthier I just watched the new video, and to be honest and in the best possible sense, if I had the choice I'd pick this one over the new one. 🙂 I like the soundholes, the raw wood And the headstock shape before refining. It'd be interesting to hear the two guitars back to back. Regarding the delicate layers and wood glue, I was very surprised the first time I watched someone take a guitar apart, or take the neck or fingerboard off,, all they do is apply heat... give it a while and then go gently around with flat tools.

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@c3N3q perhaps I will do an audio comparison video for you with this guitar and the newest. :)

[@c3N3q]

@@OverNightLuthier I can tell you that at least one of your new subscribers will appreciate your effort!

[@OverNightLuthier]

@@c3N3q also, I should mention, I ended up practicing how to use shellac on the prototype guitar. It is no longer raw wood. I probably won't buy shellac again after I run out due to what I found out it was from but I really do like the finish. Too bad it kills 100k bugs to make one pound of it...insane. The Martin/unfinished headstock is definitely growing on me for practicality, less effort but still pleasing enough to the eye. The headstock really didn't turn out how I planned it on the new one, but the channeling I decided to do looks really good I think, I will definitely do that on the next build. Looks aggressive imo.