A Psychological Case for Closed Borders

[@alexdelcastillo1220]

Well reasoned and demonstrated. Especially enjoyed the inclusion of hermetic principals. I had tended to be open border anti wall from an anarchy POV and may still be, but now only from the standpoint of anti-statism. The practicality of getting a whole nation to agree re discrimination/discernment may be problematic to say the least. OTOH there may well be some minimum standards all could agree to filter for on a national level with states, communities and individuals all setting their respective standards and enforcing them at their levels...

[@DivinePollination]

Thank you, and I agree that I do not have all of the answers, but just that a discussion would need to factor in the aspects of healthy psychological boundaries, and how they would relate to larger and larger communities. I think many people make the error of being all or nothing because they're so frustrated with the limitations the State has placed on us. I find that when I work with clients, that they are either being obedient to their "parent's way", or rebelling completely against their "parents way" -- but they are usually never just doing it the "healthy way". I think the borders debate is the same thing, as we have the "state's way" and "not the state's way", but nobody is discussing the "healthy way". Thank you for considering my perspective, and for the thoughtful comment, be well.

[@DivinePollination]

Oh yeah, those are additional fallacies (false dichotomy / black and white fallacy, as well as the begged questions) that I hadn't thought of in regards to this issue. My biggest focus now is on observing the beliefs of anarchists, as they already deny the need for the State, but are mostly rebelling against and fighting it, rather than building the new to replace it. There are of course many that are building the new, but not nearly enough yet. Hopefully videos like this will help generate a conversation where people can start discussing the possibilities without our "coercively" prodding them to figure it out. I appreciate your warm feedback, and am glad that you are enjoying my work. Be well.

[@DivinePollination]

BTW, that video is AWESOME!!!

[@davitmcg]

I would like to debate you on open borders. I am pro open borders.

[@DivinePollination]

If you are open to a Socratic Dialogue, I would be game. Socratic Dialogue is an alternative form of debating that is able to self-correct and get to the truth of the matter, rather than just reconfirming our biases. If the terms are acceptable to you, please let me know.

[@davitmcg]

Divine Pollination sounds good. Does a google hangout work for you? I work during the days so either on a weekend or evening would be best for me.

[@DivinePollination]

I would prefer using zoom, as we can both record the conversation for later use. I have a professional account, and can schedule the meeting. What time zone are you in? We're in CET, which is 6 hours ahead of the Eastern time zone in America. I'm available Thursday through Saturday during the day, and Thursday in the evening as well. I apologize for getting back to you late, as we were very busy the past few days.

[@davitmcg]

Divine Pollination I do not have a zoom subscription, if I can’t record it would you be able to share with me so I can post on my channel too? I am on eastern standard time

[@davitmcg]

Divine Pollination wanna make sure I’m doing the math right.. I’m thinking 6:00am would work on Friday or sat. That would be noon for you, right?