A Quite Variant Quran Page

In this video, Dr. Brubaker introduces one page (8r) of MS.474.2003, a horizontal Qurʾan fragment whose home is the Museum of Islamic Art in Doha. Brubaker photographed this manuscript in person in 2015 as a Rice postdoctoral fellow.
The fragment at the MIA has 11 pages and is conservatively dated to the early 8th century. Some of its features may suggest a somewhat earlier date of production. The fragment is interesting because of the degree of its variance. Dr. Brubaker presented it in 2019 at the annual meeting of the International Quranic Studies Association (IQSA). These slides are a slightly enhanced portion of that paper presentation.
This page has four corrections that are shown here, and 8 additional places where it varies from the rasm of the Hafs standard. Some of the corrections, and perhaps some of the variants that remain, are or may be due to scribal error at first writing. Others, such as alternate words, raise interesting questions.
Two printed editions of this manuscript, one for a general readership and another for academic, are forthcoming from Brubaker. The first is titled "A Variant Quran: fragment MS.474.2003," for general readers, and will show in full color the features discussed here and the other details of all pages of this fragment. The second, more technical book, is in process for Brill's "Documenta Coranica" series.
The photograph of this page shown in this video was taken by Samar Kassab, and is used with the kind permission of the Museum of Islamic Art.

[@variantquran4505]

Hello friends. Please note the following corrections to the above video: 1) Around 11:40, the slide reads حوضهم rather than خوضهم as it should. 2) From 8:31, an incorrect portion of text exists in the slide before being rectified at 8:41. These will be minor distractions to most viewers, if noticed at all, but since I know there are some who are looking for anything to criticize, I wanted to acknowledge these upfront. I see no need to take down and re-post the video; so I just acknowledge them here. Thank you for understanding. DB

[@Md.Kamarussalihin]

Hello Dr.. have you also taken account that the main preservation of the Quran is via memorization throught 7 dialects. So the manuscripts is more or less like memorization note rather than a final product. Just want to know what your opinion on this. Scribers error do occurs sometimes and you even mentioned without having another copy of the manuscript it is difficult to assess the errors.

[@msmutola682]

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[@TruthaboutIslam]

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[@ic.xc.]

Md Kamarussalihin Hj Shahrol Azman Then that manuscript should not be named a ‘manuscript’ in the museum, but just a note paper to help memorisation.

[@variantquran4505]

@@Md.Kamarussalihin Thank you for honoring me with this question. The answer is that I am open to considering all possibilities here, and always. I do not at the moment find the prospect of a text such as this, written on parchment, and clearly having been bound into a muṣḥaf, as being merely a memorization note with carelessness about the details such as alternate words, tenses, or other issues, to be intellectually satisfying. We might imagine such a thing, but this looks to me like something that was prepared for circulation, not as memorization notes. And further, if one wished to have a memorization note, then we might expect that what is written on the page would be very precise, so as to aide in precise and correct memorization. It does not, therefore, make sense to me that this would be a good explanation for what we see on this page. I do, however, remain ready to consider new information and happy for thoughtful discussion. Best to you, and I am thankful you are here. DB

[@ikilledthewendigo4745]

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[@williamjames212]

Yes, it's only a week old and it already has more than 7000 subscribers.

[@jamalkhan3708]

It will get there. Most people probably don’t know. But yes it should be millions of viewers. God bless the channel ✊❤️

[@3cents3]

So share it

[@variantquran4505]

Thank you for this kind comment. DB

[@ikilledthewendigo4745]

@@3cents3 Good Idea. Why haven't I already done that?

[@ambassadorkees]

The Truth will set you free. Truth about Quran well set muslims free.

[@Md.Kamarussalihin]

Yes indeed it set us free..

[@greenzone7371]

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[@George-iv1hi]

@@greenzone7371 Take your pills.

[@jerryallright77]

@@Md.Kamarussalihin it do set you free because Jesus loves you... He want you to follow him.

[@Md.Kamarussalihin]

@@jerryallright77 Yes we are following Jesus..

[@restnxist]

For better discussion, here is a list of the details from Daniel Brubaker's video. Slide 1: MS.474.2003 (8r):"signs for you (plural) if you (plural) believe" versus Hafs Q6:99: "signs for a people who believe" Slide 2 - inserted word: MS.474.2003 (8r): bihi follows first occurrence of "fa-akhrajna," but inserted after second "fa-akhrajna." [unclear whether 3:43 slide of Hafs is pointing to the first or second occurrence of "from it" as we can see another occurrence to the left of the green boxed Arabic text. Brubaker or someone needs to explain this better.] Slide 3 -missing script: MS.474.2003 (8r): does not contain third person singular [translation and significance needed] Hafs: contains third person singular "their fruit, when they bear" Slide 4 - erasure: MS.474.2003 (8r): 'alif erased changing "allah" to "lillahi" conforms to Hafs reading "to Allah." Allah as object (accusative form) not found anywhere in Quran. Slide 5 different word: MS.474.2003 (8r): yashrikun is written first. Then second scribe changes text but does not erase the extra letters. Hafs: yashrifun?? [unclear what word is spoken by Brubaker. Writing all Arabic terms used would have been better.] Slide 6 : Hafs has one more tooth (short upwards stroke) than MS.474.2003 (8r) [discussion requested] Slide 7 - Q6:106: MS.474.2003 (8r): present continuous active voice - "that which he is revealing" Hafs: present perfect passive voice - "that which has been revealed to you" Slide 8 - Q6:107: MS.474.2003 (8r): ashrakna - "Had Allah willed they would not have ascribed partners to Us" Hafs: "Had Allah willed they would not have been polytheists." Slide 9 - q6:107: MS.474.2003 (8r): "a watcher over him/it ['alayhi]" Hafs: "We have not appointed you a watcher over them ['alayhim]." Slide 10 - q6:108: MS.474.2003 (8r): 'alif Hafs: no 'alif Slide 11 - changes: MS.474.2003 (8r): Q6:105 - 'alif inserted; Q6:106 - erasure, possibly a "waw" Slide 12 - alternative word: MS.474.2003 (8r): q6:110 - "plunged" as in Q6:91 Hafs: Q6:110 - "insolence"

[@MarkProffitt]

Several theologically significant changes.

[@pfanderfilms]

Lovingly done, thanks restnxist!

[@rawdog8141]

Fantastico👌👌

[@zorot3876]

Thank you so much.

[@jesusislord9999]

Great job mate. This makes the whole thing clear n easy to understand. Thanks

[@PRAEDICATORVERITATIS]

Al-Lah preserves those Quran variants well...

[@Neorient]

to magentically attract trinitarians and Jews into unitarian Christ.

[@coog2011]

@Adam Musthafa That's a strawman argument. It's very old an has been refuted many times. Christians dont claim 1+1+1=1. You obviously don't understand what christians believe. In order for your logic or your equation to equivocate, there would have to be a time in which God existed as 3 separate Gods and then fused himself into 1 God. Christians don't believe God was ever separated, nor do christians worship Jesus, The holy spirit, and the Father as 3 separate Gods. Rather, Christians believe God has always existed as ONE triune being. Therefore the more accurate equation would be , 1P+1P+1P= 1G Or in its simplest form, 3P= 1G Where P represents Personhood, and G represents Deity or Godliness

[@osamatass1174]

@@coog2011 funny how you name jesus and holy spirit and god then call them one😁 Why couldint you just say god? Why do you have to name (them) in preyers and i know that you're religion calls for one god because it "was" islam and now it's corrupt No offence btw and sorry for my bad text im on phone😁

[@iranianskeptic]

@Adam Musthafa kiss your black stone and moon god, pagan!

[@iranianskeptic]

@Adam Musthafa Arab paganism= Al-lah has 3 daughters and 1 black stone and 1 Kabbah Islam paganism= Al-lah (moon god) has 1 black stone and 1 Kabbah You are pagan as well, you just don't accept those 3 daughters

[@DropYoutube]

11 variances on 1 page is a red flag that there might be more. A red flag with a Moon on it to be exact.

[@worldchanger7197]

ikr haha. Dr. Jay said Dr Daniel has found about 4K variant in his entire research. We are waiting for more.

[@halloransusan1842]

haha nice one dude

[@borneandayak6725]

@@worldchanger7197 hatun found 93, 000 variants.

[@worldchanger7197]

@@borneandayak6725 Oh boy hahah

[@Endtime-dh9lk]

@@borneandayak6725 _93000 variants_ And she has scrutinized only 24 of the 37 arabic qurans so far. More to come!!!

[@DanielApologetics]

Thank you for doing this! Many muslims may not know it - but you are actually the best friend they can have.

[@maxmudxareed1345]

He is simply a liar . If you take this guy seriously you are foolish.

[@exzoro8193]

@@maxmudxareed1345 There are other scholarships going on. About the origins of Islam. And the historicity of muhammad!

[@maxmudxareed1345]

@@exzoro8193 They're all quack and dishonest . Like Tom hollande.

[@GDI785]

Find your original text and come talk to us You can get aroused by reading the song of songs

[@exzoro8193]

@@maxmudxareed1345 Tom Holland is a firm historicist. He believes muhammad existed. The scholarships I allude to say muhammad most likely never existed.

[@spiffinz]

Incredible and important work. Whatever you do, never disable comments

[@mylovelyman2]

Totally agree, but be warned Daniel, this is the motherload of Hornets nests that has been poked. The dialogue will be brutal and bloody.

[@variantquran4505]

Thank you. I have no intention to disable comments; discussion among many people is one of the most important parts. DB

[@FRED-gx2qk]

@@variantquran4505 I would wear a stab vest and leather neck collar seriously !!!!

[@Khaledf]

Farid's video about this very video 😊 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ7NhoWajrhogZI

[@maibege761]

Wow thanks D Wood for referring us to this channel. Who's here after watching Acts17apologetics, say hi.

[@chimereucheya5559]

My Nigerian sister.

[@fraudulentzakirnaik74]

Hi interesting wallahi

[@oprophetisfake9482]

I can't remember. I think I first came because Jay highlighted it but it might have been David Wood.

[@TruthaboutIslam]

God bless you.

[@wahyudikho615]

I remember this idiom: "So if you see one mouse in your home, chances are good that there are many others"...Can you imagine, if you find 11 edited text in one page only, how many edited text you will find in the whole book...

[@jesusislord9999]

1million edited text 😂😂😂😂. Islam is collapsing really fast.

[@williamjames212]

@Tom Burnett haha 😀😀😄😄😂😂🤣😆 laughing alot. "scriber errors" cannot be the reason why their are 36 Qurans that do not match with the manuscripts.

[@George-iv1hi]

@AKR That is a big difference.

[@cliffrusso1159]

Hatun Tash and her team of researchers have found 93,000 variants from 27 different quarans

[@wlan246]

@NYC125street "So what"?? So it hasn't been perfectly preserved "down to the single letter" as has been claimed repeatedly. So every Muslim whose faith rests on this false claim as proof of Allah's sovereignty has had his foundation stripped away. And this doesn't even address variants in which one person says, "Howdy y'all" and the other says "Your money or your life."

[@havocwreak9775]

When u connect all the dots together.. u get holes! What do u expect from a religion that doesnt want u to question or critique?

[@George-iv1hi]

I expect stupidity and I am not disappointed.

[@yenomrofuoy5444]

I like your analogy "When you connect all the dots together, you get a (huge) hole". Exactly!

[@yenomrofuoy5444]

@Harris Christianity never said 1+1+1 = 1 It's you muslim who say so and question us, "How?" So, don't question us for your own stupidity! Christian concept of the Trinity is 1x1x1 = 1 if I were to follow the muslim understanding of the Trinity.

[@George-iv1hi]

@@yenomrofuoy5444 But abduls can't understand multiplication and even addition beyond four is too difficult for them, you know, 1400 years of inbreeding takes its toll.

[@cldkg]

@@yenomrofuoy5444 some says ∞ + ∞ + ∞ = ∞

[@kekkek2852]

Great work, Dr. Brubaker. Loving this youtube channel!

[@riyadhf1rdausehh]

When i was a child.. My Father, Mother, Teacher, basically everyone always told me "the Qur'an is preserved by Allah himself, it never changed even by a single letter and this is a miracle." I'm an adult now, have access to the internet, and it is not so much of a miracle.

[@SuperRphp]

@Adam Musthafa At least in your video, some Muslim aknowlegde that there are many difference Quran variants/manuscripts... Conclusion: the miracle of preservation that was used to be claim is nothing. It was proven that the Quran manuscripts are human made.

[@robertdegroot8302]

​@Adam Musthafa So you think there are just 7 different Qurans, and that the skeletal text is always the same. This is proven not to be true, and Muslims scholars have now openly acknowledged it. There are 37(!) Qurans and they differ in consonants (razm). Just watch these videos (and others on this channel) to start: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f36WgWWfmZiHqNk kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6eUhIudrLmrnZY And here is a video and channel that will introduce you to all of the problems with the traditional history of Islam from the Hadith and Sirat. Did you know the terms Muhammad, Mecca, Islam and Muslim are nowhere to be found before the year 685AD (Mecca not even before 740!)? This, along with lots of other evidence, makes the idea that the Arab conquerors were Muslims simply impossible: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKqrgmWAmqqdbLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ2VZqioj7mKj6M The problems with the Quranic page in this video should definitely concern you as well. According to Islamic tradition, the Quran was compiled by Uthman in the 650's while burning all others, so all Qurans after that should be perfect copies. What we see is that all Quranic manuscripts from the 8th century are different from today's Quran, and each other!

[@marjeru5934]

Your parents and teacher didn't lie. They told you what their believe, not the fact.

[@wlan246]

@Adam Musthafa If your "standard narrative" rationale explains everything, what's Sheikh Yasir Qadhi all worked up about?

[@wlan246]

@Adam Musthafa Dr. Qadhi's admission that "the standard narrative... has holes," sounded pretty current to me. Are you suggesting that his furtive video exchange with Hijab was recorded ten years ago, and that in the time since then he figured it all out so that it is now "nothing new"?

[@worldchanger7197]

Awesome work Dr. Daniel, keep it up!

[@christopherh70]

This is proving to be an awesome resource...keep these videos coming!

[@natjackson4880]

Thank you for another brilliant video. Looking forward to more!

[@bcfc18751]

Thank you for showing us all this!

[@jamalkhan3708]

Beautiful presentation 👌 Thank you Dr Brubaker for the great work you doing. God bless you abundantly ✊❤️

[@ThoughtDecoder]

Thank you for your work!

[@thehonesttruth415]

keep up this great work. very insightful.

[@truthexclusive9769]

I understood and like it , when you mentioned Here: Hafs: Thank You

[@Neorient]

I like Hamza Zayyat

[@davinson6678]

This video was so helpful and well done. Thank you for making this material available!

[@FreshWholeMilk]

PERFECTLY PRESERVED

[@sdraper2011]

Fascinating work. Keep it up!

[@saotome6502]

The name is Brubaker , Daniel Brubaker ... 😎 Doctor Daniel Brubaker 😎

[@TruthaboutIslam]

😎

[@williamjames212]

The Muslims first Caliph was Abubakar Muhammad's best friend.

[@saotome6502]

@PRandC Team Caliph Dr. Brubakr al Americano (SAW) (PHUB) (Holy Smoly guacamoley) 🍾🕺💃🕺💃

[@dannyrichard5069]

Dr Daniel Qur'anbaker

[@FRED-gx2qk]

@@williamjames212 they all argued wether muhammad was really a prophet

[@peacemaker7177]

Come here from Islam Critique & D. Wood.. I pray for you & your magnificent work, Mr. Brubaker.. May God's grace be upon you.. GOD bless you!

[@Greg_J]

Thanks for the efforts. Learning much.

[@rpdsouza1957]

Viewers please spread this hugely informative channel to other social media platforms and other You tube channels.

[@jesusislord9999]

Your name is no longer Brubaker but Dr Quranbreaker

[@sarsaf-7933]

What he did not tell you is that the readings existed in the time of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, and that there is a hadith that explains that the readings are from God Almighty and that there are those who memorize all the readings. Also, the Holy Qur’an is memorized by memorization and not by writing. Now I can obtain a license, Permissibility is that I have a chain of transmission that reaches the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace. For example, I memorized it from a sheikh, and this sheikh memorized it from a sheikh. And so on, all the way to the Tabi’i, all the way to the Companion, and all the way to the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3bXk4eVg9empZosi=54kZc_icHcmHpRU9 Watch this video and activate the translation and you will understand more

[@sphakamisozondi]

Thank you for the upload Dr.

[@glen6494]

Very interesting. Thanks for your work. Looking forward to more.

[@Richard-vz8zu]

3 dislikes from people who are triggered by this video🎥

[@Neorient]

I am not disliking. I am happy to see trinitarians talk about Quran.

[@exzoro8193]

@@Neorient Islam is non trinitarian Christianity?

[@gamer2popspops970]

So what there are different versions of the Qur’ân, like those of Ḥafṣ and Warsh? It wasn't that hard for me to figure out which was the correct version of the Qur’ân, with a careful reading of the Verses, by God's Grace.

[@TruthaboutIslam]

The thumbnail: "Whats the history of this page?" Dr. Brubaker's face be like: 😊 HAHA!

[@worldchanger7197]

He said it is from early 8th century. Approximately 100 years from the death of M. check min 0:42

[@TruthaboutIslam]

@@worldchanger7197 100 years and full of errors corrections and variations! dannngggg imagine how the first quran was like! bbahahahaha. Share this video!!!

[@worldchanger7197]

@@TruthaboutIslam the big issue now is finding 11 variant in 1 page only. This is a red flag

[@variantquran4505]

@@worldchanger7197 It is possibly earlier than early 8th century, but not (I think) later. I try to date conservatively. DB

[@_John_P]

@@variantquran4505 Thanks for your time, did you find any Rasm text referring to Becca? Or that might have been altered to read Mecca? kzbin.info/www/bejne/inraYoKGfZuErK8

[@InNazareth]

Hello Dr Brubaker I love your videos and I hope you will keep coming often to help us learn what has been being hidden since centuries.

[@miikavalo8324]

Yayyyy another video! Thank you professor 😌

[@R2026I]

The root of Quran is running out of waters

[@DG-sn2js]

The root of all evil is Islam!

[@Marcos-pe8fs]

It was never in or near water... but sure in camel p.🤣🤣

[@Neorient]

did you discover a trinitarian Quran

[@exzoro8193]

@Harris What do you think of the scholarships that say jesus most probably never existed? That he was just a made character?

[@gamer2popspops970]

Wrong, because even if different versions of the Qur’ân, like those of Ḥafṣ and Warsh, it wasn't that hard for me to figure out which was the correct version of the Qur’ân, with a careful reading of the Verses, by God's Grace.

[@RizYoman]

I really like the way you explain the text differences... Keep up it... May God bless you....

[@SE-kd5lo]

Thank you so much for all your work on this subject. This is extremely helpful to know.

[@arijakarta7122]

Thank you for this. Looking forward for your next video. Peace and love 🙏

[@cmartin999]

Hey Daniel, do you know of any good resources for learning the basics of ancient arabic writing compared to modern arabic writing? Is this something that varies from manuscript to manuscript? I can read modern arabic but trying to read some of these manuscripts can be confusing at times (not just lack of vowel markings but the shapes of some letters seem different). Thanks for you videos, they are very interesting so far :-)

[@variantquran4505]

The standard work on the paleography of the Quran is "The Abbasid Tradition" by François Déroche. It is a fairly big and expensive book and may be limited in availability. I got mine many years ago now and have not checked lately. Déroche is the one who described and classified the various scripts in the system that is commonly used today. Even with that book, it takes some time to learn to recognize the often fine differences. Maybe I will do a series of videos at some point talking about early script styles. DB

[@zaksof2969]

Great job...

[@zaksof2969]

Hindustan

[@insideoutperspective6396]

Thanks Dan - Look forward to the next episode.

[@Nomad-Drifter]

This is the first time I hear of this... interesting to see different words... so theperson copying can choose a different word he thinks fits best. Thank you for your work. With social media the truth will reach everyone.

[@richardthornhill4630]

There is no "preserved" Quran text. It has been changed, edited, corrected, erased and rewritten over centuries of time.

[@George-iv1hi]

Of course, islam is nothing but politics.

[@yenomrofuoy5444]

Islam is nothing but a *HATE-MONGERING* cult!

[@FRED-gx2qk]

@@yenomrofuoy5444 a war manual with rewards for martyrdom

[@Logia1978]

Wrong.....the quran is preserved....

[@mikhan5191]

Angelika Neuwirth is the western world's leading Scholar concerning the Qur’an & knows more about this subject than this comparative amateur Brubaker. She has the world's largest collection of ancient Qur'an manuscripts (microfiche /photos etc ) & she studied under the old German Orientalists who were world renowned. Angelika inherited 'the lost archive' of Germany's vast collection of ancient Qur'ans from all over the Islamic world after it was hidden by Anton Spitaler (an interesting event in itself). In her talk (link below), she says: "To this very day, the Qur'an is taught as an orally performed text, whose phonetic realisation is cherished as an aesthetically sophisticated art. The Oral transmission of the Qur'an is highly esteemed even considered superior to the written text. Thus the printed Cairo edition of the Qur'an most frequently used today is based not on manuscripts but on oral tradition." kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3mmloyJq8atj5Y She leads the Quranic Arabic Corpus project which has the most detailed information in English about the Qur’an in one place - www.corpus.quran.com So Muslims are absolutely right when they say that the Qur'an (the oral/memorised Recitation in all qira'at) is 100% the SAME as it was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. This was passed down throughout the generations from 'heart to heart - memory to memory' by millions of Huffaz (urdu plural of singular Hafiz) UNCHANGED! NOT A SINGLE LETTER CHANGE IN ANY OF THE RECITATIONS! The written Qur'an is called the Mus'haf. This is SECONDARY (a backup) to the oral/memorised Qur'an to help ppl to read. Mus'haf can have differences due to: Scripts - rasm / orthography. The Qira'ah that is being written. Scribal mistakes. Brubaker, being a Christian Missionary, loves to mislead /distract people away from the facts that the Qur’an, as it is RECITED ANYWHERE IN THE World is the same Qur'an that was taught by the Prophet peace be upon him to his Companions.

[@kingsservantapologist]

Great work, thanks a lot. Perhaps in future videos you could emphasise some textual variants which result in readings that directly contradict the Hafs 1924 or other traditional readings.

[@h.basris9606]

This is a study that shows us corrections in Quran, thank you for doing such as a great job.

[@thomasjoseph3663]

Dr. Brubaker thank you so much. Very informative.

[@ZinduZatism]

Sir u are right verses 99 is إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُون, but they changed, if u look few words before إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكُمْ so the picture of إِن is exactly same, so your are right it is إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُون because here they removed إِن كُنتُمْ and modified تُؤْمِنُون with يؤْمِنُون also they changed بها to بِهِ in كَمَا لَمْ يُؤْمِنُوا بِهِ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَنَذَرُهُمْ فِي طُغْيَانِهِمْ يَعْمَهُونَ just before last aya you mentioned at the end of your video. well done and thanks for your work, even i speak Arabic but i am not as accurate as you are, everyone subscribe please, to appreciate his valuable work.

[@alearner2748]

hmmm so you are an Arab huh

[@MsJaykay93]

God bless you sir!! Great video!

[@maryumbargola3267]

You nailed it all . Thank you for all the research

[@stephenboshoff8316]

O wow. This is an eye opener. Thanks for sharing . Very informative

[@restnxist]

@Variant Quran Daniel, I foresee a problem with the video titles. After 100 videos, viewers will not know what page, folio, or verses the video is discussing. Please include more identification in the video titles for future reviewing and research. Thanks.

[@thomasbangura7336]

What a great job sir

[@malmeratudecaprio9222]

Fantastic work Dr Brubaker. Highly appreciated. You have patience of a "prophet". God Bless.

[@Saint0-]

Wonderful video and content Dr.

[@spadadelsignore4784]

There are more variants in the Quran manuscripts (93,000) and Qiraat than there are words in the Qur’an (77,797)! :)

[@Neorient]

What if Shia Mahdi brings the original Quran.

[@tiffany-sheriwageman.3702]

LOL

[@falkenvir]

Those are big numbers, Any reference to it?

[@sarsaf-7933]

There are readings of the Holy Qur’an, and there is a hadith that explains this, and there are those who memorize all the readings, and this matter is known, and all the readings are from God, and there is a hadith that explains that, as the readings existed even in the time of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace.

[@raphaelakizil1671]

God bless and protect you Doctor

[@rafaeljonathanmonterrosoca8400]

Thank you for sharing all this important information about the Quran!!

[@briansimons9472]

As someone who many years ago studied the Hebrew text of the Jewish scriptures I find this fascinating. This scribe was not having a good day! Your work is much appreciated, just what is needed to understand the nature of the Qur'an today. Thank you for these videos.

[@shhiknopfler3912]

שלום

[@ahmadabbas8481]

The phrase لو شاء الله ما أشركنا is found in the same chapter Q6:148. The Scribe probably memorizes the Quran and got mixed with verse 107

[@mufassilislam]

Very good analysis Dr Brubaker. I am not fussed about such variants in manuscripts as Quran is primarily based on the tradition of continued recitations for generations base on memorizing. Scribes made several mistakes which is accepted by greatest Muslim manuscript analysts already. The pivotal issue would be to see whether the meanings changed which I have noticed in variant recitation based manuscripts as well. Thank you for your effort.

[@mufassilislam]

M J Allah says in Quran clearly that he did allow some verses to be forgotten to be replaced by better verses. So I don’t consider that to have had affected the planning of Allah with regard to the ultimate preservation intended

[@simkwakia]

What happened to the claim that the Quran is perfectly preserved word for word from the beginning. Oh, sorry, I forget, when was the "first" Quran readily available and considered as the standard text.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

@@simkwakia (1). The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh on piecemeal basis over 23 years. During each revelation, the prophet would recite to companions who recite, memorize and practice the message (many wrote them down on piecemeal basis). This continued until the whole Quran was revealed. Note: The recitation was memorized and preserved over those 23 years. (2) Those writing were collected by first Khalifa Abu Bakar and kept. (3) The whole Quran revealed was put into a book (5 copies) by third Khalifah Othman from the memorisation of the companions together with those writings which were kept. Note : Some of these copies are still available and millions are memorizer of Quran today. (4) The Quran printed and read therefrom until today all over the world has the same text of that third Khalifah's.

[@simkwakia]

@@sethsuleiman4419 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmOVZq1jjtNjrM0 Please explain this, between Muhammad Hijab and Dr Yasir Qadhi, in the video.

[@simkwakia]

THE STANDARD NARRATIVE HAVE HOLES IN IT, so says our Islamic scholar Dr Yasir Qadhi. Why? Because it cannot handle textual criticism, historical criticism, and source criticism.

[@prime_time_youtube]

Thanks for your work!

[@michmunroe.9196]

Love your work 👍

[@jayblackxxx]

6:7 Al-An'aam وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ كِتَابًا فِي قِرْطَاسٍ فَلَمَسُوهُ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ لَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِنْ هَٰذَا إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ And even if We had sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) a Message written on paper so that they could touch it with their hands, the disbelievers would have said: "This is nothing but obvious magic!"

[@marz2087]

So basically, what you're saying is that "the Quran has not been perfectly preserved!"

[@Neorient]

because it is easier than actually watching the video

[@sandraabohtembei8252]

God has guided you hear my friend. Listen and let the love of Christ wash over you. Keep on listening to the truth until you believe it.

[@amreel-kabarity9242]

Stil this Made my believe stronger

[@SaintRamona]

@@amreel-kabarity9242 🤣🤣🤣abdool

[@N.D.C.2410]

​@@amreel-kabarity9242 same like me

[@TheCastleKeeper]

Commenting for your analytics. Thank you for your hard work.

[@variantquran4505]

Thank you! DB

[@truthteller3288]

D.Wood brought me here. Good job with very good explanation.

[@jefersonchagas1833]

Here is Dr. Jeferson Chagas form Brazil. Congratulations on your researches on variants in the Qur'an. I am preparing a course for Portuguese-speaking Christians about the Science e of the Qur'an, and certainly, your research will be explored in this program. This field of study is sensitive, and you do that without dehumanizing Muslims. Congratulations again.

[@variantquran4505]

Thank you, Dr. Chagas. Yes, my purpose is serious inquiry and respectful discussion, and I mean no harm or unkindness to any person; thank you for recognizing that. Best to you. DB

[@mikhan5191]

Angelika Neuwirth is the western world's leading Scholar concerning the Qur’an & knows more about this subject than this comparative amateur Brubaker. She has the world's largest collection of ancient Qur'an manuscripts (microfiche /photos etc ) & she studied under the old German Orientalists who were world renowned. Angelika inherited 'the lost archive' of Germany's vast collection of ancient Qur'ans from all over the Islamic world after it was hidden by Anton Spitaler (an interesting event in itself). In her talk (link below), she says: "To this very day, the Qur'an is taught as an orally performed text, whose phonetic realisation is cherished as an aesthetically sophisticated art. The Oral transmission of the Qur'an is highly esteemed even considered superior to the written text. Thus the printed Cairo edition of the Qur'an most frequently used today is based not on manuscripts but on oral tradition." kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3mmloyJq8atj5Y She leads the Quranic Arabic Corpus project which has the most detailed information in English about the Qur’an in one place - www.corpus.quran.com So Muslims are absolutely right when they say that the Qur'an (the oral/memorised Recitation in all qira'at) is 100% the SAME as it was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. This was passed down throughout the generations from 'heart to heart - memory to memory' by millions of Huffaz (urdu plural of singular Hafiz) UNCHANGED! NOT A SINGLE LETTER CHANGE IN ANY OF THE RECITATIONS! The written Qur'an is called the Mus'haf. This is SECONDARY (a backup) to the oral/memorised Qur'an to help ppl to read. Mus'haf can have differences due to: Scripts - rasm / orthography. The Qira'ah that is being written. Scribal mistakes. Brubaker, being a Christian Missionary, loves to mislead /distract people away from the facts that the Qur’an, as it is RECITED ANYWHERE IN THE World is the same Qur'an that was taught by the Prophet peace be upon him to his Companions.

[@eraliaa3219]

@@mikhan5191 🙄 Too late for that sonny. Shabir Ally, Yasir Qadhi had all admitted of variations existing in the texts. Also, there are at least 37 variations of the Arabic Quran still existing around now.

[@eraliaa3219]

@@mikhan5191 The video literally pared down words and marks of ancient Arabic. The evidence is literally right before you. He understands full Arabic so you've got no excuse.

[@mansoorwahab8934]

I'm just wondering how Islamic scholars didn't find these discrepancies throughout centuries.

[@sdraper2011]

Pssst...they did! And they hid it from their followers.

[@azhaniaorgena6941]

That's exactly what Yasir Qahdi was saying. He says every advanced student of islam and scholars know that the quran being perfectly preserved is all a lie and a myth. He was saying that after 1400 years of this myth, they have to come up with a better explanations because the western academics have already identified the holes in the myth.

[@inquisitivemind007]

because in Islam you are not allowed to ask too may questions sunnah.com/bukhari/43/23

[@Syd_3]

They did. They’ve known. But they’ve been lying to their listeners

[@mansoorwahab8934]

Also, why was there no attempt to eliminate all the evidence pointing against the perfect preservation of the Quran?

[@Derek_Baumgartner]

Thanks for this!

[@krishnakarthik6472]

Thank you Sir, for doing ground breaking word, i will be always indebted to you

[@mystwolfe7791]

I have a serious question. If the Quran is supposed to be the only miracle that Mohamed ever did. How is this possible if he never wrote anything down and it was only compiled after by others? So how could it be a miracle? I’ve heard Muslims claim it was because of how beautifully it was written but Mohamed never even wrote it. So how is this a “miracle” that proves that Mohamed was right? There have been many classic works of literature that far surpass the jumbled nonsensical way that the Quran was mashed together. I’ve seen children who can write more coherent stories. So my question is genuine and not meant to sound mean but how is this book, that he never even wrote, a miracle that proves him to be a prophet?

[@Scalpaxos]

Actually it was mocked by many well known scholars in the Muslim world like ar-Razzi or ar-Rawandi but since criticizing the Quran can get you killed, this idea of literary excellency has been enforced with threats and violence over the ages, after a while it became like an automated response, a reflex Muslims acquire at a very young age.

[@williamjames212]

Quran is not a miracle at all, even the arabs at the time did not believe it at all, it was after they muslims conquered Mecca that they converted in masses. Here is a link to a video m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKSseolpgclse6c

[@Md.Kamarussalihin]

Firstly, The prophet PBUH is illiterate. Secondly, it did got written down by his fellow companion. The revelation came within 23 years of his prophethood so not many of the same companion was always there while some were there halfway. Thats why during the Time of Uthman RA every known memorizer, reciter and those who hold a copy were gathered to compiled the textual Quran and after the finish product, the other copies were burned to avoid confusion.

[@yidiandianpang]

I think Muslims say M received and recited it. Others memorized and eventually write it down and burned all the deviant copies (except this one it now seems) and that the resulting book was so awesome it head to be a miracle. It's not M''s miracle - the words themselves are the miracle and they are an exact copy of the (platonic) one in heaven.

[@truthoverfalsehood__8757]

Mohammed did other miracles.

[@virginoftarshish2904]

I want that library of yours😍

[@variantquran4505]

I am so thankful for it. It took many years to build up to this point... DB

[@pinpoint3770]

still: a certain part of the islamic books is dedicated to farting... very important to allah

[@EgyptologyLessons]

Wonderful! I spend my leisurely time translations Hieroglyphs and Hieratic texts. So I’m im enjoy this very much!

[@tolisgalantis4896]

Dr Brubaker, I have a question: when the oldest Quranic manuscripts are compared, are any of the variants you have discovered present in multiple Quranic manuscripts? For example, are any of the variants presented in this video also present in other manuscripts? Thank you very much for presenting your very interesting work in such a clear way that even lay audience, like myself, can understand. Best wishes

[@Cruz8R]

Farid Farts will soon be making a video saying: "it doesn't say that"

[@lancesteinke3732]

The Astronomer Farid’s dismissive attitude is unbelievable. As if he would go around openly admitting these things to people who asked. Muslims might kill a person for that, but he pretends it’s no big deal lol. He’s got an excuse for anything and everything.

[@Cruz8R]

@The Astronomer Thx for sharing

[@Cruz8R]

@@lancesteinke3732 -Allah- Farid know best 😁

[@williamjames212]

@The Astronomer I saw that video but Farid Responds said he is able to connect the dots but it's by using modern Qurans. That video he made showed that the Quran went through editing, reediting,adding words phases which was done by human beings not Allah.

[@muhammadfitri1500]

salam.. debunk you brubaker kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ7NhoWajrhogZI

[@shefiroth12]

hey, great work. make your book available in kindle version/google play book, please.

[@TheTruthisalwayswin2273]

Thank you for another video,sir, God bless

[@sridellahife5486]

You're in our prayers 🙏♥️ Thank you for the truth. 🔥

[@steveann9705]

Yes I agree Quran is perfectly preserved with many variants. Allah-boo-akbar.

[@inquisitivemind007]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHyvZWuLoLKjn5o

[@marjeru5934]

Muslim should say: 23 variants Quran are perfectly preserved

[@hussnain6114]

Bible is not preserved..Even today you don't have original bible but you have changed bible😂😂😉👻

[@SaintRamona]

@@hussnain6114 You just insulted Allah because Allah said the Torah and gospel are his words So you admit Allah couldn’t protect the Torah and the gospel

[@markabdelmessieh7367]

Thank you for your efforts! We live in the Middle East, and we hope to have both your previous book and your coming ones on Kindle because we can't get the physical copies here. Also, would you give permission for us one day to subtitle your videos in Arabic?

[@onepiece-ug2ft]

thank you sir, for the HONESTY and TRUTH, that you have stated

[@freepagan]

I would really like to see more major changes that have an impact on meaning. Revolutionary stuff. If Dr. Brubaker has already discovered and done a video on this, please let me know.

[@Eddie33154]

Yes, that would be interesting. But the main point in all this is to prove the Qur'an texts, many, many, many of them destroy the fallacy of a perfectly preserved without the slightest, minutest error. BOOOM!

[@marc3dartist601]

Even if the Quran was perfectly perserved, what does it change? Was Homer a messenger of god, The Odyssey is the same we have today, and far more well writen than the Quran.

[@N.D.C.2410]

The Quran is perfect in the time of Uthman, the fake Qur'an had been burned until none was left but if this one is most likely not found or found to be burned by the tahfiz because the fake Quran is hiding

[@bmw635csi]

Great Infor just 1min into the video 1:39. Amazing !

[@rebeccasamuel1987]

Thanks for your research. God bless you.

[@ashurdeeuphrates]

Great work Doctor!

[@restnxist]

"8r" refers to the "recto" side or the front side of page 8. "8v" would refers to the "verso" side of back side of the leaf of paper.

[@Basaljet]

I may be mistaken but I thing recto is the revers side. Not so good for writing being parchment ie animal skin the reverse side is like suede. Best parchment is vellum which is an unborn calf drawn from the womb if it’s mother. This is why biblical manuscripts were so unbelievably precious. One text like Isaiah 49ft would require a whole herd of young animals

[@restnxist]

@@Basaljet I double-checked. The recto is the right hand side of an open English book; the first side read before reading the back side, the verso (which is the left hand side of an English open book). I would be interested to know if this is different for Arabic script that is read from right to left. Indeed quite precious, you image of requiring the death of a whole herd of young animals in order to bring "life" to a text does make communication costly.

[@Basaljet]

restnxist it is why the Catholic Church was accused of withholding the scriptures from the people. The value and price of a hand written bible was a small fortune. Only the aristocracy could read until the invention of the printing press. The internet is having the same effect on Islam. it is in the birth pangs of a new dynamic of interpretation and may not stay the course because there is very little if anything in a verifiable historical deposit from the 7th century unlike Catholicism.

[@craigmatchett6953]

Dr Jay.... now for the theological difficulties of where different words actually mean different things! A book of lies, made by liers, exposited by liers, believed by millions BUT being exposed by truth, love and compassion of Jesus followers. God bless you guys.

[@St.Irenaeus]

Thank you for your work sir. God bless

[@chrisbennett3290]

Can you make a video specifically about several variants with theological implications? Or changes the meaning? I would love to see that

[@scotaffleck8913]

Let's hear it for the Tower of Babel. e.g. This isn't a Greek restaurant. Your menu is upside down.

[@yomomma4270]

As I sit here watching this video, I KNOW there has to be KZbin staff running around their offices, with their hair on fire, trying to figure out which terms of services they can accuse you of violating, so they can shut you up.

[@ahmet6144]

I assure you nobody cares to shut him up

[@thewordrevealsgod.7744]

I would like to ask you a question. Can it be the early writings that Are before the quran. Early siriaq arameic writings That are wrong translated to the early arabic.

[@christislord7003]

Allah is so great he has perfectly preserved all the variants of his quran.

[@DiaryofaNomad]

It was hand written many times from memory. spelling error’s happen it’s human nature. The bigger issue here as xtians fail to see is that the Quran is not a book. It’s a recital so this can be easily written off. The Quran is totally preserved as the recital

[@ReasonedRhetoric]

But we all get told over and over the written Arabic Quran is identical around the world. Letter for letter dot for dot. Clearly, it is not. If you can't write it correctly there is no way you can recite it correctly. Ever hear of the game Chinese whispers?

[@benwallace7161]

That is total preservation..😂😂😂😂😂

[@Matt-zx7qs]

I absolutely love your videos, knowledge and content. Do you have more compelling evidence of bigger mistakes? This proves that there are mistakes, but could be explained away(even though i believe a mistake is a mistake when you claim there are none whatsoever). I mean they(muslims scholars and apologists) would try and say that these are not mistakes that prove the koran isn't the word of God. Thank you for your hard work and please keep these coming!!!!

[@MarkProffitt]

He is a scholar not an apologist. He is systematically going through every detail & documenting it so others can determine the importance. A couple of the differences on this page can have significant theological impact since one changes tense and another changes the number of people from plural to singular and another changes from speaking to the reader to some third party.

[@yidiandianpang]

Patience please. These are the first trickles after 1370 years...

[@yidiandianpang]

@@moe8686 You confidently say "The uthamni Quran is Same of today." I'm not inclined to take your word for it - I want to look and compare myself or at least hear from someone who has compared them. Where can we get a copy of "the Uthmani Quran"? As far as I know there are not any remaining copies of it. So the best approximation is the most ancient copies we can find which is what Dr. Brubaker is studying. I think what studies will show (they already have actually) is that the Quran is "fairly well preserved" (from some original), but not perfectly preserved, just like all other ancient literature that has been preserved at all. It would be good if Muslim scholars had published the texts of all ancient manuscripts of the Quran, but it seems they have not. Which is why I'm here, to learn what I can.

[@Matt-zx7qs]

@@moe8686 no, they say there isn't any difference in any letter from then to today and this proves it isn't preserved at all.

[@zachtbh]

I've got a feeling as this issue gets bigger, any currently yet to be discovered quranic manuscripts in the future might get destroyed if fallen into the wrong hands for the sake of damage control this mess. Subscribed!

[@christianfrommuslim]

I like to work with the Fatiha, since it is so common. I point out that was not in the Quran of Ibn Masoud because it is a liturgical prayer. Beyond that, it would help me to know how many variants there are in it. I know the Ruler/Lord one. Are there others?