A Real Doctor (& Tom) Watch A Vaccine "Debate" | ZDoggMD.com

[@SilverLeguar]

omg its so refreshing to see a doctor actually call anti vaxxers out for their bullshit. i love dr mike's channel but his reaction was so... professional

[@ZDoggMD]

The antivax movement hates us because WE DON'T GIVE A F**K about their feelings, or false appearances of professionalism. We DO care deeply about the safety of children. Can't stop, won't stop. Thanks for the support!

[@TheAshleydelmar]

We need way more docs like you, ZDogg

[@B-Nana]

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[@MrPhange]

@@ZDoggMD honestly, I almost never use my credentials in real life arguments, but when anti-vaxxers talk about their "research" I like to respond with "Do tell me more about the subject you Googled that I spent nine years studying."

[@gamingfreako7480]

@Catherine Hazur "I demand that you break down everything to my level of intelligence because I don't understand. I don't care that you spent eight plus years studying about medicine and the human body, I know better than you. So please cram years worth of knowledge into my tiny brain so that I can get angry when I don't understand and scream about how doctors don't know what they're doing." -You

[@emmask8er944]

anti-vaxers: “we need a dialogue!!” doctor: “here’s a fact-“ anti-vaxers: *no. no no no no*

[@vectotorohyeah401]

Anti-vaxxers: i have read many scientific articles about how vaccines are bad. Normal people with common sense: name one. Anti-vaxxers: i can't because the government

[@alephtav5543]

Ok buddy ill name one. Christopher exleys studies. Hes one of the leading aluminum toxicologists in the world and has found higher levels of aluminum in the brains of youth with autism than in people Alzheimer's. Which he also studied. Look up his interview with del bigtree if you actualy want to be informed. He does real science. Not tobacco science like big pharma.

[@fvw1187]

Aleph Tav didn’t del big tree get his license revoked? In any event, you are a waste of space if you believe it is of value to look into the anti vax “literature”. It’s not a valuable use of time for people because there’s nothing there. It’s entertaining I suppose. But ittsa joke mate.

[@InsouciantPlatypus]

@@fvw1187 yikes what is science coming to if it's seen as a waste of time to look into literature that doesn't just confirm your bias? Science is about asking questions and checking and rechecking to make sure you're on the right track. If antivaxers feel they need more answers and more studies to answer their questions, let's give them their studies. If vaccines truly are harmless then doing more studies that are set up in better ways will only help. I'm getting so tired of this "Us vs. Them" mentality

[@natashabrown3518]

@DM584 so, a chemist isn't qualified to talk about vaccines?

[@albaniaball5764]

There is no excuse to not vaccinate if no allergies are present.

[@glowingtrashpanda]

yes that and also being immunocompromised to where you cant get vaccines.

[@johndope446]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHinf6anoJV-iJI there is over 9 hours worth of reasons

[@stephenyantha3183]

According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) there are many reasons NOT to vaccinate, educate yourself FULLY

[@zetster1144]

@@libertyprime9477 lmao, thats literally all you can come up with? You can't make an educated reply because you haven't DONE any of your own research. It shows how ignorant and much of a humanist you are, just like everyone else who, and i don't even like using this term, are "provax". there is no anti or pro, we all make decisions based on our knowledge to benefit the lives of our children.

[@fvw1187]

Zetster998 why would I go hunting for misinformation and then claim “I am informed.” It’s not the same chief.

[@Rebecca78239]

Anti-Vaxxer: "like OMG my baby totally got a vaccine and then she got a completely unrelated other illness and I decided the vaccine caused it because correlation = causation. I should know, I'm a fashion designer/professional barista/Yelp contributor"

[@darkdelta]

That's good, really good +++ LOL

[@glowingtrashpanda]

I just dont understand why these people think they know more from google than from what they are being told by actual medical professionals with actual medical training. I can understand questioning why did x happen so soon after y happened. But i dont understand then not listening to a medical doctor explaining that y did not cause x, that x was caused by other factors.

[@3chords490]

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[@saratonin4733]

@@3chords490 stop trying to use a bunch of isolated incidents as proof of anything.

[@3chords490]

@@saratonin4733 Did I say it was proof of anything? That bit was in your head , not mine. Just food for thought that's all. I might ask you how you "know" they are isolated incidents? Have you done any research on vaccine injury then , or did you just make an unfounded assumption?

[@deliashaher1992]

“Rhino gynecologist” kicked the legs out from under my chair and left me dying on the floor

[@tanya5322]

being married to a swine veterinarian for 30+ years now (yep, a pig doctor) ... I knew there were some interesting specialties out there. this isn't that specific, but close 😉 www.whiteoakwildlife.org/the-wandering-veterinarian/

[@jakemccluremd]

2:39 - evidently, no one told her that not all arthritis is osteoarthritis… 9:58 - in the blink of an eye, Z recognizes the very strong likelihood she has an autoimmune component to her arthritic symptoms…the speed in which he picks up on this but she doesn't is eye-opening.

[@criticalthinkingisessentia2402]

That's true about her not recognizing that not all arthritis is osteoarthritis. However, I also know that some vaccine adjuvants are a potential trigger for autoimmune disease in susceptible individuals. So, her claim that her arthritis began right after a vaccine could very well be accurate.

[@jakemccluremd]

Christina which adjuvant for which vaccine was studied?

[@TheWalterHWhite]

The difference between being medically trained and qualified vs. not being trained or qualified beyond basket weaving.

[@3chords490]

Oh the total irony of it! 9:58 He misses completely the possibility that auto immune diseases might be connected to vaccines in the first place. Doh! There's a rise in auto immune diseases in the USA. Genetic issues don't tend to spike like that. The science behind this is that vaccines artificially aggravate the immune system and confuse it so that the body can potentially attack itself. Is it that crazy to think that if we are hammering our young babies with multiple doses of vaccines in the first year that it might create problems like that? Zdogg is not the genius you think he is. You say he does this "in the blink of an eye" - but that's his problem. He needs to slow down and think more clearly. The clue is in the word Auto IMMUNE diseases - vaccines aggravate the IMMUNE system. Doh! www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607155/ Evidence

[@moriahjmiller]

3chords What was the process of diagnosing auto immune diseases prior to the rise of autoimmune diseases?

[@nickgodley]

What is the deal with peds docs being anti-vaccine and maintaining a license. This has to be against some board of medicine.

[@thisgirlisreeltreble]

Nick Godley Why California put him on probation instead of pulling his license all together after his exemption writing shenanigans is beyond me

[@criticalthinkingisessentia2402]

I don't think he's anti vaccine. He still vaccinates most of his patients. He just seems to proceed with more caution and treat each patient as an individual. I think this is important for reducing adverse events.

[@akaNiamoi]

@@criticalthinkingisessentia2402 Are you referring to the pediatrician who was literally on the "anti-vaccine" line?

[@setag54321]

@@akaNiamoi Dr. Bob Sears still Vaccinates, but he'll space them out and check for titers..He's an excellent Doctor that asks the questions other Dr.s won't. Brilliant guy!

[@fqoffgoogleurcr33py]

He isn't anti-vax. If you watch the original video, he's really pro-vax but "sympathies" with anti-vaxxers and advocates for more transparency b/w patients and doctors.

[@theguyintheworks8838]

*_diHYdROgEn mOnOxIDe_*

[@Meeesa]

That's the true threat!!

[@JS-dv9ji]

"I'm a certified reiki proctologist" hahahahaha

[@emilyrogers9087]

Here's my airbag analogy: people still die in car wrecks even when air bags are deployed. Sometimes airbags injure or even kill victims. Airbags are not 100% effective and unfortunately, some people have bad reactions with them. Does that mean I'm going to put myself or my family in a car without an airbag? Nope. Am I going to become a full time activist to get everyone to ditch airbags? No! Even if I get a broken nose from an airbag, I know it is much better than what would happen without one. So why are people like this with vaccines when they are proven to work and are proven to eradicate deadly illnesses?!

[@diegorincon4673]

Emily Rogers yes. This is perfect. Thanks for this analogy.

[@electricheisenberg5723]

Also for anti Vaxxers looking at this comment, instead of a broken nose, it would be (depending on the trajectory of the vehicle) glass wounds and a broken bone or two to death by either impact damage (the thing that makes your bones break) or bleeding out (the glass), not to mention death by something like post explosion wounds/explosions (the engine) barely surviving in incredible pain and then catching a deadly disease that puts you in more pain and then kills you, or the worst outcome, the last one, minus death. Oh or your lack of will to put airbags in your car (stupidity) combined with your alcohol addiction makes you drive into Area 51 during the middle of ww3, causing the military to shoot you on site, on sight, with drones, planes, tanks, infantry, kamekazi bat napalm bombs (they do exist, or at least the us military has the funding to make millions of them), railguns, artillery, lasers (which can be made via tattoo removers),grenades, boats (if the get them in the desert), airships, mortars, literal rc bomb cars, and to finish it off, planes, that contain light tanks. (Or tank destroyers if they are small enough)

[@reddon1969]

It's more akin to forcing other people to use airbags, no anti vaxxer will tell you that you don't have the right to vaccinate if you choose to after an informed decision. Do what you think works best in your own cease and leave everyone to do the same.

[@emilyrogers9087]

@@reddon1969 air bags are mandatory by law. Vaccines are mostly required by law. All of which are true because it has been proven to save lives and protect other people. Choosing to skip on vaccines hurts everyone around you because of herd immunity. If I let my friend in a car with me that I know has no air bag, regardless of whether or not I think they are the best for me, I know I am putting that friend's life in danger. The debate on vaccines isn't just about the person who gets one or not, it's about everyone else too. What about the people with cancer or contraindications that are dependent on the health of others? What about people that are actually allergic to an ingredient of a vaccine? They can't get them. They need others to.

[@ellamerlehan]

"I'm a dolphin trainer" 😂😂 so annoying as an RN trying to explain to these people the science and research behind vaccines. It's like talking to a brick wall

[@The_Kirk_Lazarus]

At least the brick wall serves a purpose.

[@munchcat]

Thank you for still trying!

[@dustin9258]

So you have first hand experience in designing and manufacturing the vaccine and have a complete and total understanding of the mechanisms in which it works? Yeah, didn’t think so. So being an RN only makes you slightly more knowledgeable than your anti-vaxxer patients in the grand scheme of things. No need to be condescending to people. Have a nice day.

[@ellamerlehan]

@@dustin9258 I've actually worked for hospitals and companies performing humam trials on vaccinations. So I have a more than a sound understanding on immunology and mechanisms of action on vaccinations as well as potential side effects. Furthermore, I have actually had a febrile convulsion from the MMR as a child. So I am more than aware of what happens when a side effect is experienced. I'd still rather vaccinate than die of polio, measles, hep B as someone who has also seen what happens when people don't.

[@jennismith2]

Dustin, do you tell your pilot he’s an idiot because he doesn’t know how to manufacture the plane that he flies? Nope...you understand that he is incredibly skilled at FLYING the amazingly complex machine that is an airliner. Same thing applies to nurses and doctors... they know how to evaluate medical evidence and apply it to “real world” medical problems people come to them with. That doesn’t mean they have (or should have) the same exact skill set as a research scientist.

[@jimkennedy4509]

I have seen videos of infants with pertussis and OMG it is heart breaking. I cried.

[@lizkeith1356]

As a nurse I've seen fully vaccinated babies with pertussis. that's even harder to watch.

[@nicolearcher9804]

Fully vaccinated for age 1 month olds - as in not yet old enough to have been vaccinated but screwed cause of the people around them?

[@Chamelionroses]

I love how Australia made laws about vaccines. Those that medically can not get vaccines are given herd immunity because of those that get them.

[@karlawirtz4050]

Exactly! Heck if my kids weren't able to get vaccinated (thankfully their scheme is complete) I would tell everyone to get vaccinated if they are able to so my kids would be protected by herd immunity.

[@Chamelionroses]

@@lillium9562 I didn't say completely illegal. There are those that can get health waivers for legit reasons otherwise it could be considered medical neglect with out waivers. www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj_g9rMw9PgAhUCS60KHdwmCB0QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvaxopedia.org%2F2018%2F12%2F19%2Fhow-are-australias-new-vaccine-laws-working%2F&psig=AOvVaw00Lncj64-AmwaAiMGHOcOJ&ust=1551068776237733

[@Chamelionroses]

@@lillium9562 do you always respond to others with logical fallacies or add things not said?

[@Chamelionroses]

@@lillium9562 of course people can say no and still there are laws about mandatory vaccinations. The article says they can be fined. Do you like making habit of putting words in people's mouth with having cognitive dissonance issues? Child neglect is legal up to point of death such as free ranged kids without shoes or education. Medical neglect of kids is legal up to point of death with faith healing. Of course.

[@Chamelionroses]

@@lillium9562 so you are saying it is just shills that changed laws or something else? Now if one doesn't wear seat belts as one can there is fines too.

[@DrAdnan]

I was cracking up at all the jabs and imitations 😂

[@dayru_ru]

Why do you comment on every single video?

[@FlawlessNJ]

yeah you're creepy af

[@tiffanylianna6027]

Haha i see your comments everywhere

[@EVROPAEAESTHETICA]

Maybe the guy's a fan and likes telling content creators what likes about the video? Why is it bad to do this on every video?

[@habib080]

Why do you guys watch every video he comments on? That sounds more creepy 🤔😂

[@The_Kirk_Lazarus]

He did the voice and then the woman spoke. There was no change in vocal quality between the antivax doc and the lady.

[@reddon1969]

Yes, he only made fun of her. What he didn't do was effectively refute her with the facts. Sad actually, that a man with such an education has to resort to that bullying tactic instead of an honest discussion, which could only be had by two people of opposite views exchanging ideas/facts. Not very entertaining to watch someone foolishly act like a bully.

[@The_Kirk_Lazarus]

@@reddon1969 The woman is a fraud. Why would there be need for a discussion for such a fallacious viewpoint? The woman is just trying to sell her book. She has some serious delusions or at the very least has some harmful overvalued ideas.

[@criticalthinkingisessentia2402]

I commend the pro vaccine doctor for his compassion and for respectfully engaging in a debate.

[@notsoeloquent]

Christina, there are no other doctors besides pro-vaccine doctors. If they are not for vaccines, they do not have a license to practice medicine. "Naturopaths" are not doctors, but charlatans. Please make a distinction.

[@criticalthinkingisessentia2402]

@@notsoeloquent I was referring to this specific debate. I couldn't remember his name, hence "pro vaccine doctor". I'm well aware that naturoapths and chiropractors are not medical doctors. Even if you hate Dr. Sears, he is an MD. There are MDs who acknowledge the potential risks associated with vaccinating susceptible individuals. Most are not anti-vaccine but are sadly labelled as such.

[@Desertphile]

"I'm a certified flat-earther!"

[@iamdovahkiin6665]

the earth is round, you uneducated potato!!!!!

[@AxeLasagna]

Jevin shively r/woooosh

[@paxus_of_px5993]

Ahem, no. The ęäřțh is a ðïñøšåűř Pls, what I wrote is a lie

[@Rebecca78239]

"Anti-vaxxer" pediatrician's first statement, basically: "I'm not actually against vaccines"

[@peterfilipovic]

Yes so this was no debate at all they should have brought in genuine anti vaccine doctors

[@jynxsilver2203]

It's not even the children that are affected by antivaxxers, it's the elderly and immunocompromised that are affected as well.

[@inconspicuouscharacter7755]

My mum’s best friend, whom I have looked up to since I was a little girl. Has two adult kids that are healthy and vaccinated. Her and her new husband had been trying for a baby for a few years, even had about two miscarriages. When they eventually had a baby boy they have made the decision to not vaccinate him. Wtf. Why?!

[@peterfilipovic]

They're smart 😎

[@kymberlyp4056]

Extremely nasal and whinny voices... yep! Exactly the voice I give to all antivaxxers. 👍 Seriously love Tom’s participation in these conversations. Far too often it only medical professionals speaking to other medical professionals. I once stated that vaccination side effects can be challenging, but burying your child from a preventable disease is ALWAYS devastating.

[@seektruth5074]

You need to be educated. So many like you - falling for everything. Do you know ANYTHING about the history of vaccines?

[@malcolmcampbell3912]

The Bob Sears cluster-f-bomb rant was wonderful!

[@MrPhange]

As a fellow internal medicine physician, all I can say is you'd have to be astoundingly arrogant to think your Google research makes you more "woke" than someone who has a doctoral level education on the same subject.

[@diegorincon4673]

MrPhange Phange Have you experienced anti vaxxers attacking you? I want a first hand account. ( no but I really want to know. I’ve never been cyber bullied and I want to understand it.)

[@benzandpour]

As a physician who supports vaccines, i found this video to HURT the cause. You guys spend the first 7 minutes just doing character assassinations. Making fun of the voices of women and effeminate men, and "rapist" jokes? Even though this video might have been entertaining and a great way to make fun of anti-vaxxers, i felt it was unprofessional and mostly non-intellectual. At the end Z Dogg finally acknowledges the mentality of an anti-vaxxers and shows he has a heart. We need more of that. ❤.

[@seapeajones]

Tom's savagery has me gasping for air omfg

[@carolinus7566]

So 2 guys of the same opinion reviewing and making fun of ppl on a prerecorded segment. This is arrogant and ignorant af.

[@ryanmcginnis2553]

I believe in vaccination. But how do you know if your allergic to something at such a young age? Why not do a blood test to vaccines before you get vaccinated? That should help with the chance of an injury and maybe some of these anti vaxxers would start vaccinating.

[@luxorien]

@@nfn7998 NF N MTHFR has nothing to do with susceptibility to vaccine reactions. Most "mutations" don't even affect homocysteine levels, which is the only known physiological effect of such polymorphisms.

[@jgbgw591]

Most pro vaccine doctors acknowledge vaccine allergies and reactions as a valid reason for exemption. Why can't they do the math to realize that some parents don't want their kids to be guinea pigs especially for the vaccines that aren't as critical as people want us to think? Measles was a benign illness for our parents and grandparents. Now it's deadly (no reported deaths in over a decade). You can't screen ahead of time for reaction susceptibility. My child is vaccinated but I regret some of them and worry about the lack of studies on safety and long term effectiveness.

[@kg7464]

You know, I feel personally attacked. I have bangs to simply hide my face and camouflage the giant dark circles that come free with medical school.

[@riocxy6060]

I seen a bunch of people with like bangs that is really cute and pretty, and I consider of getting them soon. But this anti vaxxer's bangs is horrendous

[@munchcat]

Thanks for fighting the good fight guys. I can't wrap my head around the anti-vaxxer logic when children are now suffering from breakouts that should never have occurred to begin with.

[@3chords490]

Munch Kin It’s quite simple really. We don’t just believe something because we are told that it must be true. Just like people were told smoking does not cause lung cancer or DDT is good for you ( insert any number of medical “truths” that have been shown to be false).

[@ashleycarson4991]

It amazes me how they think not vaccinating their children is better for the child

[@ashleycarson4991]

I’ll pass on that. I want my child to be safe and healthy. Thats not how I want them to die

[@mudalad1215]

I am a father of 4 Edit: 3 kids Edit: 1

[@painedfetus8210]

Edit: 0

[@abigailfaye5192]

As a girl with a fringe... He's right

[@SturgeonMD]

People once thought polio was caused by ice cream. They were also wrong.

[@kbaccari88]

Says you. You shill for Big Haagen Daaz.

[@Dr.PaulCottrell]

It not about pro vs anti. It is about the proper scheduling and the total number of vaccinations before age 2.

[@kappasigma1284]

The larger problem are keyboard warriors who think they are more well versed on this topic than licensed physicians. Hysterical

[@kalebfrierson9042]

There is NO debate here!

[@mrfluffyhedgehog]

"after my vaccination … i had a severe reaction … i was arthritic … and my doctors said i am too young to be arthritic" … err what? how does she form a correlation between these things? also: none of her doctors had the idea to check you for certain antigens like HLA B27 that can absolutely cause arthritis and arthritis-like symptoms as early as in your late teens? getting tested for all kinds of potential sources like these was the first thing my doctor did when i had all issues that looked like full blown arthritis in my late 20s. what quacks was that woman talking to?

[@Pyriphlegeton]

"And also aaa mmmmothaeeeer" Alright, thanks for discrediting yourself.

[@kylethehamilton]

I’ve been waiting for this since the second I saw the original video...sooooooo worth the wait!

[@kbaccari88]

Have Tom say, "I won't set my kid on fire to keep your kid warm" in that wah wah wah voice. And F Bob Sears.

[@mariavitalina4943]

This may sound cruel , but I think it’s a lot better having one child with a reaction that is treatable than 300 children sick. The mothers see googling up symptoms as the same thing as a full medical education. 😨

[@sakatakintoki3]

curious why none of the anti-vaxxers ever bring up shady vaccines from back in the day, and possibly current. the best example I can think of is the anthrax vaccine, back in the early 2000s. not that any kid would really come in contact with it, and the controversy is a lot more nuanced and technical than vaccine = autism. still.

[@ctroyer87]

I really want to start a citizen action petition to make compulsory vaccination the law of the land barring specific circumstances such as: religious exemption, and medical contraindications. Outside of that, willfully neglecting to vaccinate, should be a felony if the 3rd degree (in ohio) or in a state comparable with the criminal with willful neglect and/or negligent homicide.

[@candaceuncontained4455]

I love the part of the video where you guys actually comment on what is going on and lend professional wisdom. However, the mocking voices and name calling is just so obnoxious. You guys are trying to be funny but it will make people, probably those who need to see this most, change the channel. Much respect for your mission of spreading truth and science to the public.

[@gamingfreako7480]

The ridicule doesn't really matter. Anti vaxxers won't change their mind until something dramatic occurs in their lives to promote a change.

[@candaceuncontained4455]

@@steveb1164 I like parts of the video. It's criticism, that's partially what the comments section is for. Also, I've enjoyed other videos on this channel and the platform as a whole. It's one little critique. Please don't exile me lol

[@jgbgw591]

Agreed. That guy on the left was truly unbearable. He's like a frat boy-- literally making fun of people for how they looked/talked. Zdogg came across bad at first which could easily have turned most viewers off. He did soften at times but his buddy really ruined any credibility. What was their aim? This was more of a locker room echo chamber than actually trying to persuade anyone.

[@battleintahlequah]

What is the Vaccine Damage Injury Compensation Program?

[@kappasigma1284]

battleintahlequah no such thing

[@battleintahlequah]

@@kappasigma1284 I just googled it and it gave me a full description of what it is and how it works.

[@kappasigma1284]

battleintahlequah I was being facetious. I knew what you meant but you have the name incorrect

[@battleintahlequah]

Oooooohhhhhh!

[@mockfanatik]

Idiocracy at its best.

[@freewillfarms2059]

Conditioned fools

[@debbieroberts5866]

Should we dial up the shame factor? Absolutely!

[@errrkt]

This is not like yelling fire in a crowded theater, this is like disabling the fire alarms in a theater.

[@Thomas-bd5zc]

I understand that you are pro-vax, and I agree, because I am also a vaccine advocate. But the way to encourage more people to vaccinate is to listen to them and take time to ease their concerns. The way not to do it is to mock them, call them stupid, and make fun of them. They may be misinformed, but they are still parents. They are genuinely concerned for the health of their children, and they want the best for them. It is healthy to question and want assurance. Stop making fun of them! We need to build a better, more trusting relationship between patients and their doctors to reinforce proper education about topics like vaccines.

[@goatscrote]

Thomas but we’re in this argument because they DONT understand. They don’t trust years of scientific research. Just wait til you’re a parent. You’ll understand, kiddo.

[@goatscrote]

Catherine Hazur Your narcissism only proves the point.

[@Thomas-bd5zc]

@Catherine Hazur There definitely is greed going on with vaccines, and sure, pharma companies want to sell and make as much money as possible, and frankly, don't care all that much about public safety. But there is a thing called the FDA which has to approve these vaccines and ensure their safety and efficacy before they are distributed to the general public. Of course, no vaccine is 100% safe, and that is just common sense. No man made drug will be perfectly safe. People have died from vaccines, have gotten life long disabilities, and many other conditions from getting immunized. However, these rare cases are enough to scare people and distract them from the bigger picture, which is that vaccines have eradicated many disease that you will fortunately never grow to see. Take, for example, Smallpox. It was the first vaccine ever created. It had dangerous side effects, but it eradicated smallpox from the face of this planet. Years later, as we refined the science behind immunizations, polio, a terrible disease that crippled children too young to even know what they were going through, was eliminated completely in America and Europe, though it does still exist in some underdeveloped countries in the Middle East that don't have the infectious disease prevention services we have here. If we stopped vaccinating, then you would see a resurgence in diseases you never knew the severity of. Measles is not the flu. And similarly, pertussis is not your baby getting a little cough. These diseases can and have caused permanent brain damage, and even death. They are no joke. While vaccines have risks consumers should be aware of, these risks do not outweigh the benefit of a strong, often. lifelong protection that us offered by a single shot in the arm. I agree that there is room for improvement. I believe that, sometime in the future, we will be able to immunize people against disease by using eye drops. This will provide a more natural means of immunizing against a disease, will likely be safer than current immunizations, and will also encourage those why have phobias of needles to receive all of their vaccinations. But until then, the best thing you can do now is to get yourself, and your children vaccinated, granted that you and your children (if you have children) aren't immunosuppressed. Because that is a group of the population that can get these devastating effects fromvaccines. They rely on us protecting them. It's easy to say that you don't want to get vaccinated, but what you may be oblivious to, is that the mother of a child who is severely immunocompromised might contract, for instance, measles. Most people will usually recover from measles, but this child will get brain damage, if he's lucky. He might die. And I don't know about you, but I couldn't sleep at night knowing that there is something I'm not doing that could affect someone's loved one, and even take them away from them.

[@Thomas-bd5zc]

Here is a link to the MMR vaccine insert if you are interested. As you can see, the manufacturer is required to release all data regarding the vaccine, and it details potential adverse reactions that occurred during clinical testing www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj1gYzLt4vmAhVQx1kKHYkHA10Q6sMDMAB6BAgBEAY&usg=AOvVaw0P3u_vagju07kTzAUiEalA

[@Thomas-bd5zc]

@Catherine Hazur I would agree with you to a certain extent. I believe vaccines work, but to minimize risk, should only be used when risk of contracting a communicable disease outweighs the risks of any potential vaccine side effects. What that does mean is that a newborn should not be getting vaccinated with the Hepatitis B (Engerix-B, as it's brand name is), since this is a disease that cannot be contracted by a newborn unless the mother had Hep B. Another example would be the HPV vaccine, which might work for those who will feel more comfortable having immunity against that disease. However, this vaccine should never be mandatory, since HPV is a disease you can control exposure to. If yo do not engage in sexual intercourse, you cannot get HPV, so ultimately, it is a personal decision. One thing I will acknowledge is the disappointment I feel when parents state their opinion on vaccines. This should not be an opinion-based issue, this should be based on solid, indisputable, scientific evidence. And I cannot blame parents who are on the fence with vaccines. Studies in support of vaccines are performed by the CDC and pharmaceutical companies, which will, of course, be bias in favor of vaccines. On the other hand, there are the holistic scientists who state their studies find a link between vaccinations and autism, etc. This can leave the public confused, scared, and unsure. You are injecting a foreign biological fluid into your body, the exact structure and ingredients of this fluid largely unknown to patients. Consequently, people are going to feel uncertain, and that is something that is natural, and needs to be handled better by modern medicine. I'm not a doctor, but based on the extensive research I've done on vaccinations, I can say that a reasonable approach would be to start vaccinating at a year of age, to provide comfort to parents and also to let the immune system develop to produce a more effective immune response to the vaccines. Also, certain shots, like the Hepatitis B series, and the HPV shot could be eliminated from the recommended schedule, and only encouraged for high-risk populations that have a greater liklihood of contracting such illnesses. Also, some booster shot doses could be eliminated, like the MMR. The first dose of this shot yields 93% immunity in most cases. A second shot increases this only by 4%. The risk of a second booster dose likely outweighs the very slightly increased immunity. But looking at the greater picture, a common ground that both doctors and parents can agree on is the desire for a healthier society, and a world where children don't have to worry about contracting dangerous diseases. Instead of arguing and tearing people apart, we need to take time to examine this issue and understand the concerns of both parties, and make a reasonable compromise that doesn't endanger the health or safety of the general public. I'm pro-vax, but I am anti-hostility, and I think education and proper knowledge is the best weapon we have against any challenge that might come our way

[@peterfilipovic]

Can somebody name one independent double-blind inert placebo controlled study which demonstrates the safety and efficacy of vaccines?

[@catharinelayton2128]

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[@rosinamarie13]

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[@cupcakeyummy6125]

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[@B-Nana]

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[@JoseP0207]

Your channel is gold. Respect from a Colombian med student ZDogg.

[@dunpudie1695]

I have bangs... I am crazy... And yet, i am still inoculated. Vaccinate your children please :)

[@tuesdaynyx]

The MMR vaccine insert lists arthritis as a known side effect from clinical trials. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@tuesdaynyx]

Jaap Koster You can find the MMR package insert and all other vaccine inserts listed on the FDAs website and on the manufacturers website.

[@tuesdaynyx]

Jaap Koster a quote from the insert under Adverse Reactions: “Following vaccination in women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children (children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%),{17,56,57} and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer duration.”

[@kappasigma1284]

Tuesday Nyx completely incorrect. It is not listed as a side effect, it is listed under the adverse reactions section. You should probably read the heading of that section at some point as well. “The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella”

[@tuesdaynyx]

kappasigma1284 I’ve read the entire insert. If you read my comments to Japan Koster asking for my “source” I quote the FDAs website directly. According to medicine.net “Adverse reaction: In pharmacology, any unexpected or dangerous reaction to a drug. An unwanted effect caused by the administration of a drug. The onset of the adverse reaction may be sudden or develop over time.” I use the term side effect loosely as most people are not aware of the proper definitions of either term. Again, to paraphrase the MMR insert “following vaccination in woman incidence rates for arthritis are generally higher than those seen in children with increased severity and longer duration”.

[@TooSlamToGiveADamn]

I love these videos. I’d like to see one on how to talk to our anti-vaccination parents and patients in a clinic/hospital setting. Thank you!

[@mabs4691]

@Catherine Hazur Reading comprehension, I suggest working on it.

[@informedconsent3560]

You should have taken the challenge and debated the physicians representing the vaccine safety viewpoint. It would have been a good one. Who knows maybe you would have learned a thing or two.

[@erikaronska1096]

Herd Immunity!!!! BTW I have bangs and I'm not crazy lol . I am an RN and I have bangs to cover the forehead lines

[@EVROPAEAESTHETICA]

Bangs look awful. Aging is a normal part of the human experience it. Accept it. :)

[@ruel7401]

I would love to hear these guys analyze flat earthers.

[@joekjr2]

Too young to have arthritis? WTF?

[@glowingtrashpanda]

right? I mean there are plenty of auto-immune disorders that can start at any age as well as what kind of acitivites did she do as a kid? Im only 26 and did gymnastics for 13 years growing up and can safely say I have arthritis in my elbow and both knees and possibly my back. Besides that point she even said herself that her kid has an autoimmune disorder, im no doctor but I was under the impression that those usually have a genetic component? hmmmmm? maybe the mom has one too?

[@joyjones8231]

There's a good amt of young persons w juvinal arthritis, I have no idea what shes talking about.

[@robinpander6336]

She's just wack

[@taunoctua245]

Walmart and Costco are dealing with a major recall of tainted baby food. Among the contaminents are lead, heavy metals and bacteria strains.

[@maryharvey6909]

The normal doctor lets other people talk and they don’t let him finish. Normal means David

[@laytonperrett6130]

Ok just a question is the chickenpox’s vaccine actually a thing, because i’ve never heard of it?

[@kappasigma1284]

It is a thing, yes.

[@TurdFurgeson571]

"Doing my own research..." Okay. Yeah I heard you use some of the correct lingo. But, umm, cite your god damn sources. Don't even begin to think you're even a little bit scientifically minded until you do so.

[@B-Nana]

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[@bipolatelly9806]

Liars.

[@DCYTB]

This was HILARIOUS 😂

[@staceyboomboom8031]

That pediatrician should get the sack for endangering kids.

[@Spectre1578]

Let's be honest, when people say they know what's best for their children, can they accurately diagnose, treat, prevent, and cure any possible medical condition their child has better than a doctor who spent years studying medicine and the human body?

[@SAFETYfull]

Answer is no. But the google doctor and their 'research' and the genuine doctor all can appear equal on the facebook/google/youtube platforms.

[@DemiBirdDoes]

I have autism, still got all my vaccinations, a few of them a little late, for immune concerns. I'm a happier, healthier person never having contracted those preventable diseases and being at a lower risk for cervical cancer from HPV. My mom did look into possible causation for autism and never once did she refuse to vaccinate my sister or me. Real parenting involves not only research but keeping your children safe from diseases that are proven to cause damage and kill. If you can, always vaccinate.

[@manlypie]

Where can I purchase Tom's sauerkraut, and can I pay with doodles I draw on cocktail napkins?

[@manlypie]

Bummer, I've got about .000012 in doge coin.

[@frenchgummy]

I think the big issue with the whole "there are many studies on this issue " debate from anti vaxxers is that medical professionals are educated on how to analyse a medical article to see if it is based on facts. This comes down to the studies being peer reviewed, non biased, the study pool etc. Most 'research' these parents do is say "there are studies on it therefore must be true"

[@kaorufan8]

I have really negative reactions to vaccines, to the point that my pediatrician wasn't sure if I could even be vaccinated safely as a kid, and I still keep up on all my shots! It just took way longer than normal and because of that, I'm less protected. The only shot I never got was the chicken pox shot, because I ended up getting the chicken pox not long before I had the shot scheduled when I was little. The only other shot I don't get anymore is the yearly flu shot because in addition to my usual negative reaction I've had allergic reactions to both the live and inactive versions. Parents refusing to vaccinate children who can be medically vaccinated are monsters!

[@stephaniecarter887]

This seems so sad to me. Do they think they are going to change people’s minds by being mean and degrading? What good can all of this mocking and condescending accomplish? If someone was confronting me about a belief that I held, and they mocked my voice and called me stupid and laughed at me and made ridiculous assumptions about me, I don’t believe I would sit there and think, “Wow, they have a good point. Maybe I should reconsider.” I would think, “Wow, those guys are total jerks and I don’t want to be anything like them,” and I would get defensive of my current beliefs. So would most people, I think. If people on both sides of this debate would stop assuming that the people on the other side are just ignorant, uncaring, unthinking subhumans, and realize that they’re actually real people too, who just have different opinions formed by their different experiences, beliefs, and fears, maybe we could have some enlightening discussions that would actually benefit people.

[@kappasigma1284]

Stephanie Carter They directly said why they are so vicious with these individuals is because they are misinformation activists. There is nothing wrong with a parent asking a physician questions. There is everything wrong with someone actively endangering the lives of children by spreading their mind information far and wide all the while assuming themselves to be experts.

[@mtan2004]

kappasigma1284 exactly. They are insane and Dr. Z is just fed up with them. They’ve had everything explained. Their precious research would show them that every “fear” or “concern” they have has been answered by real science. Their insane rhetoric confuses and scares the general public and is allowing deadly plagues to reinvent themselves. They have lost the right to a rational argument by being irrational donuts.

[@mr.fresh-theboys4979]

Wherever I go, whatever I do it's always about vaccines lately. Today I got vaccinated (Hep A; internship at a hospital). Tomorrow I'll have a group discussion in class about compulsory vaccination. It's an important topic that's worth talking about especially since there are so many people who have apparently no clue what they're talking about. Concerns have to be taken serious though. As long as they're stated properly.

[@EVROPAEAESTHETICA]

If vaccines were compulsory, very few people would not comply. I, however, would birth my future kids in a cabin in the woods. There'd be no registration, birth certificate, social security number, etc. We're home schooling anyway. You wouldn't know my kids exist.

[@bengeorge9063]

I don't understand how the anti vaxxers don't realize how many of them were vaccinated as children and they are still alive despite all the "poisons" in their system.

[@bethlaubenthal9295]

You can have an honest discussion without making fun of folks. Yeah, I'm for vaccines. Your approach to this video is very unprofessional. You can do better.

[@mabs4691]

When children and elderly lives are put at risk sometimes your compassion for other humans exceeds nicety and respect.

[@kamisupreme1873]

Individuals who spread misinformation about vaccines are aware the assumptions and motivations that underpin anti-vaccination beliefs are unrelated to the science of vaccines; people who research the chemicals in vaccines and attempt to invoke ethics are capable of finding information that reveal the errors in their stance.

[@dustin9258]

I’m definitely pro-vaccinations. But in all fairness, regular physicians *might* have a basic understanding about how vaccinations work but for the most part they are only regurgitating what the makers of the vaccines tell them. So the amount of condescending belittling in this video makes it hard to take you guys seriously. The people who make the vaccines and perform the trials are the smart ones here. Not some condescending physician.

[@dustin9258]

Lillium 95 agreed.

[@luxorien]

I disagree. Any physician is not only trained extensively in immunology (compared to the layperson) but also to do literature searches and interpret scientific data. They are also required to continually update their professional knowledge in light of the latest research. While there is certainly plenty of room for reform in the regulatory structure of the pharmaceutical industry, I think physicians' knowledge of vaccines extends a bit farther than "what the drug companies tell them". As pointed out in the video, physicians are on the front lines when these diseases come roaring back, and they experience the consequences of not vaccinating firsthand.

[@dustin9258]

luxorien so they have a basic understanding and supposedly read the reports generated by the makers of the vaccines? Bottom line is if they themselves weren’t on the team of people developing the vaccine or have a working knowledge of how every component in the vaccine works (which would require actually knowing every component the vaccine contains), then they just have a basic understanding. Being on the front lines has nothing to do with understanding how a vaccine works at an anatomical level. So yes, they are more qualified than your average person, but by no means experts on vaccines.

[@luxorien]

@@dustin9258 Yes, that is exactly what I said. They obviously would not know more than someone who developed a vaccine, but their knowledge is not limited to what the manufacturer tells them. You seem to be implying that the only information about the safety and efficacy of vaccines comes direct from the manufacturer and that is demonstrably false. Your average doctor is going to have more information than a package insert available to them.

[@dustin9258]

luxorien we’re talking around each other then. We are agreeing that they are more qualified than the average person but not an expert. I merely made the original post because someone who is not a subject expert should not be pretending to be, let alone be condescending and belittling towards someone in another field. You can’t educate someone on an issue by making fun of them.

[@ashleybankhead3481]

Utter nonsense. This was less entertaining than it was informative.

[@jonasoblouk667]

It's nice to see that zDogg is following his marching orders! He being a good little female dog.

[@onetwothreefour5041]

My mom is having a new baby and she is anti vax and im so scared for the health of my little bro🥺

[@willieo6027]

I love your stuff but it's a lot better when you don't have Tom next to you calling people beta cucks and shit like that. Videos in this vein do nothing to sway either the anti-vax or the "on the fence" people when the main theme is mockery. Your videos that have a more series tone are better.

[@AmandaDominy]

Hey, painting the eyelashes on sex dolls is a undervalued career

[@ironstevie]

Ridiculing other people does not help the debate.

[@AAdogman999]

ironstevie because it’s not a debate you dolt

[@gamingfreako7480]

Because there isn't one 😂 On one side you have pro vaxxers while on the other you have idiots who think they're smart. No discussion to be had.

[@pettankootaku4060]

there's no debate. like how there's no flat-earth debate.

[@3chords490]

pettanko otaku ok , so if I can show you some science that demonstrates that there is a causal way that vaccines could bring about autism then would you at least accept there is a debate to be had , or would you dogmatically stick to your position?

[@3chords490]

Tom Hinueber The debate around the science and evidence. Would you like some hardcore science or are you just playing at being committed to the scientific approach?

[@kevinp1748]

Notice how they dodge the direct question and ramble about meaningless s***

[@nerdalert1496]

Your arguments would be easier to hear and understand without the unnecessary insults. Calling people "beta cucks" and making fun of people's voices are 100% unnecessary considering how the pro-vaccine arguments are so strong. I understand that you are frustrated and infuriated by the anti-vaxx movement, as I am, but your insults are really unhelpful to the cause and only fuel their rhetoric. As a future physician, I plan on addressing parents who are on the fence or straight-up anti-vaccine like I would address any hesitant or non-compliant patient -- with respect and from a place of humility. As physicians, we are duty-bound to this standard because ultimately, it isn't about being right but about improving quality of life. We should be elevating the conversation instead of lowering it further into the cesspool its already in.

[@3chords490]

nerd alert As a vaccine sceptic myself I fully agree with your sentiments. It’s good to hear a pro vaxxer speak against this kind of mockery. I have also spoken out against anti vaxxers for being too febrile in their conspiracy ideas and too angry. People like me and you probably crave an honest , open discussion about this subject free of insults. I would be happy to help you understand what vaccine hesitancy is really all about. It might not be what you think though , however , I sense that you would be far more open than most about it. What I would say is that anti vaxxers are generally in 3 camps 1) conspiracy types 2) those who have experienced vaccine injury 3) those who have looked deeply into the science and are highly intelligent. Intelligent enough to know that what we are told is true often isn’t. Or 2 and 3 combined. I like to think I’m 2 and 3. I have spent many hours looking into things like aluminium and auto immune issues as well as looking at the social and cultural issues including the history of vaccines. What I found out is that there is so much more to learn than I thought there was. The idea that there is no debate to be had seems very suspicious and possibly the result of an insecure position. If this kind of childish mockery disturbs you , imagine how it feels if your child has been brain damaged straight after a vaccine and you have been given no explanation for it other than “ it can’t be the vaccine” then you go on the CDC website and read that brain damage is one of the listed side effects of DTaP. Then you are told it’s your “ bad genes”. But you do your research and you find out that aluminium can make its way into the brain from an injection via the lymphatic system because the brain can call upon macrophage cells when it needs help with inflammation. This is not me by the way , but my daughter had meningitis symptoms for 5 days after the DTaP. Our Doctor reckoned it was the Pertusis part of it that did the damage. I am also a professional , so I understand your point. Agreeing to differ and staying professional is so important and leads to mutual understanding. As Voltaire was once quoted as saying “ I disagree with you entirely , but I will fight to the death for your right to say it “ (loose translation)

[@nerdalert1496]

​@@3chords490 I am speaking against mockery, not against vaccines. My comment isn't so much about agreeing to disagree but about being a better doctor. We have a higher standard to live up to so no matter how vehemently I disagree with anti-vaxxers (or vaccine skeptics for that matter), I will make every effort to not denigrate my patients and do my best to address their concerns. I believe that the anti-vaccination movement is one of the greatest threats to public health and with that belief, I will do my best to win over my patients with sound reasoning and compassion. At the end of the day, I respect my patient's autonomy to choose. But I will also kindly ask an anti-vaccine patient to find another doctor because I clearly am not getting through to them and perhaps another physician will be able to communicate in a way that gets through. I will not subscribe to any notion that the relatively few consequences of adverse vaccine events outweigh the benefits of vaccination to all of humanity or that we are better off without vaccines. I'm sorry that you had negative experiences with your healthcare provider and vaccines but we would all have many more bad experiences without them. I hope you reported the event to the CDC (vaers.hhs.gov/).

[@3chords490]

@@nerdalert1496 I'm going to be strong with you here and I hope I don't offend you , but I feel I have to to jolt you out of your blindness. People often talk the talk of wanting to understand vaccine hesitancy but when it comes down to it they are not open minded about why? I understand that to embrace a more disturbing truth might have career implications for you and create huge cognitive dissonance , but that won't stop people being hurt by vaccines. Any health care treatment that has brain damage or death (on the MMR insert) as a possible consequence HAS to have attached to it the right to refuse , yes? Your primary concern is to your patient first not to some wider public heath agenda. As a Doctor you should not be proposing to me that my child might be set on fire to keep others warm. That's not acceptable in the 21st century. You can't participate in a grand game of russian roulette with children and call yourself a doctor , knowing that one of the perfectly healthy babies you inject could be killed by your injection. Knowing that if that happens the poor parent can't even sue. I'm telling you straight. We do not know the full extent of vaccine injuries and deaths. The other problem is that surely you know that the vaccine schedule has not been tested by a double blind inert placebo trial , therefore the science is not there to support claims of safety and "not causing autism" . Vaers suffers from under reporting , like any passive surveillance system and SIDS is discounted as possible vaccine death without an alternative explanation (apart from the idea that the parents themselves might be guilty of baby shaking). And how would you have convinced me to give my second child the same vaccines after my first child had been injured? 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[@3chords490]

@Catherine Hazur I agree. I think there's a variety of reasons why the truth is being obscured , not least , fear of disease , which I understand to an extent but it's not an excuse any more for being disingenuous about safety. Maybe in the 1700s or 1800s but this is the 21st century and if large numbers of parents are saying there's a big problem then mocking them and dismissing them is not acceptable in a modern democracy. I mean they are not even investigating to potential effects of multiple vaccines in one visit. DTaP MMR Hep B , Flu (+aluminium) into a young baby all with no debate over whether it's safe or not? And they call anti vaxxers crazy....tsk tsk.

[@m1dge250]

Why don't we just let children decide

[@rickyspruill88]

How can you take a “Doctor” who calls himself Z Dogg seriously? Listening to his unprofessional nonsense gives me chest pains...

[@tigey2003]

oH cHEsT pAiNs CaUsED bY vAcCiNEs?!!?!? How do you take an article who's publisher is "antivaxpapers" or "vaccinepapers" seriously?

[@rickyspruill88]

@@tigey2003 By using your brain...

[@luxorien]

@@tigey2003 in fairness to the vaccinepapers site, not everything they post is garbage. Sometimes they scrape PDFs of copyrighted journal articles from behind paywalls and host them on their site for free.

[@diegorincon4673]

Henry: hey billy! Wanna sneak out tonight? Billy: no Henry. I won’t drink beer. Henry: No, I’m going to get vaccinated tonight. Billy: smiles

[@nattybumppo4151]

Turned off a minute in after the first ad hominem attack.

[@jgbgw591]

So wait.....being bitterly hateful towards vaccine skeptics doesn't motivate them to vaccinate?

[@debbies9838]

No need to make fun of people in this debate.

[@rupyandhari626]

Incredibly rude and juvenile commentary by very uncompassionate human beings. This display is absolutely disgusting.

[@sheleen9448]

Rupy Hari at least someone thinks so...ignorant barbaric creatures is what they’re behaving as.

[@agibabo1]

Can we watch the full version of the debate?

[@t.l.1610]

“He sits here like a calm f*cking psychopath. F*ck that guy!” Lmao 😂 This. Is. Great.

[@jrpink89]

Full time dolphin trainer comment ...killed me😂

[@JeepJitsu]

😂 I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks for the ab workout.

[@damnboy766]

Dr.David Epstein played it really well. Although,I do find one peculiar thing about his stories,1.One of The AntiVax mom said Her child had Seizures 2.The Other AntiVax mom said she herself developed arthritis at a young age and claimed it was impossible to get arthritis at young age. As a Doctor,the first rebuttal to such a claim would be JIA or Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis. Now when Dr.David came up with his story,his Daughter had Both the conditions,i.e Epilepsy and JIA.. I'm sorry I didn't mean Disrespect to Dr.David be has been great in the video As a young physician I was impressed by his composure.

[@jasminemckenzie2101]

I honestly don't see what's the issue here. So many people are bashing anti-vaxx people. For what? Cuz they have different opinion? I see so many comments callimg anti-vaxx people uneducated. You do know that there are anti- vaxx doctors? Oh, but they're probably "uneducated" as well right? To me, I'm never getting vaccinated, or letting my kid get vaccinations becaise of the multiple side effects. But apparently since anti-vax people are stating facts to uphold their opinion means they're uneducated. I honestly wouldn't risk getting vaccinated when there are so any other ways to help prevent yourself from getting sick. The lady said that she was anti-vax because she had a bad experience. What so wrong about that? Take this analogy: You decide to drink alcohol. You drink some and you get nauseous or sick. Won't you be more cautious about drinking after that? Or what if you walk down the street and you're attacked by a dog. Won't you be somewhat afraid of dogs after your experience? I dont believe in vaccinations because of the many side effects that they can cause and that there are many other options to prevent getting sick. I'm not saying that others shouldn't be vaccinated, but I just have a huge problem with people bashing and insulting anti-vax people. I see so many people saying that anti-vaxx people are ignorant and don't listen, but all of you pro-vaxx people in the comment section are more ignorant then the anti-vaxx people.

[@newtastical2992]

which side effects are causing you to not vaccinate your child(ren)?

[@zerofuks416]

I used to be an anti-vaxxer ....until I stopped thinking it was cool and did my own reSurch. Thanks, Karen...

[@GreatBodoh]

Allergies can be treated. Autism is genetic, not environmental.

[@lucastyderek7637]

The guy on the right low key looks like Vin Diesel