A Return To Form? The Vor'kang Class

[@fanuluiciorannr1xd212]

Weak races => I'm traumatised Klingons => I went through a significant emotional event

[@Colin_]

Worf => It was Tuesday.

[@zhaimorenn8273]

Klingons: It would have been a good day to die.

[@CanuckWolfman]

"Significant emotional event," eh? "Oh, bugger. The starship's on fire." *[Runs for the escape pod]*

[@Colin_]

Its funny i heard marcus from babylon 5s voice when i read that lol.

[@stab74]

This was a common expression when I was in the US Army. 😂

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

So in other words, late-24th/early-25th century Klingon torpedo boat. The Vor'kang, like the Mogh class is one of those middle-ground cruisers which aren't seen in numbers because most of the Klingon Great Houses want either small birds of prey or giant battleships. It is indeed an interesting design with trying to merge the features of the Vor'cha and K't'inga.

[@daanvos194]

I wonder what worfs fleet would look like

[@Erykthebat]

Fun fact, a klingon ship's primary photon launcher is located at the center of its deflector dish

[@bsmnt23]

I'd like to see a Klingon pitch meeting among their engineers and designers. I imagine it would be similar to the engineer/scientist conflicts on The Big Bang Theory, only with bat'leths.

[@merafirewing6591]

And there would be bloodwine involved to.

[@terranceroff8113]

The Vor'Kang holds a special place in my heart vis a vis STO. It was one of the early STO ships. My build was a cannon/turret build with and seriously enhance yaw rate.. not a turn rate but a yaw rate... I developed a tactic of drift fighting with the Vor'Kang that was impressive to my fellow players in the ability to overrun a target and bring the nose around while the ship wa still moving away from a target after overunning it and keeping Heavy disruptor cannons blasting away. Also, its a damn good looking ship!

[@nsr-ints]

Build. Pls.

[@dekardkain5469]

This lore really works well with the Cold War tech analogies. The Soviets focused very heavily on missile/rocket tech, thus SAMs and beating NATO to space.

[@erictheblue7256]

Good point, and the Vor'Kang follows Soviet Cold War dogma in another way. The Soviets (understandably, logically) copied western weapons they liked. The Russian Backfire bomber comes to mind, as does the MIG 29 fighter.

[@MechanicaMenace]

I dunno. Looking at that period to me it looks like Russia focussed more on increased blast area and the west focused more on accuracy. Not saying "Federation is the West and Klingons the USSR" is wrong but just the fictional tech divide is opposite the real tech divide.

[@FromMyBrain]

And the Russians kept going on Soviet designs on the shelf.

[@DerDrecksack87]

​@@MechanicaMenace russia always invested most of its military R&D spending on missile tec to even the field since NATO would have outnumbered their airforce. Even now russian & chinese air to air hypersonics vastly outrange anything the west has by almost 50%, the tradeoff is the immense speed of the missile thus a much more restricted manouverability in tracking and a smaller time frame of going bulldog compared to their western counterparts that have a better hit chance, giving modern aircraft like the F22 or F35 a better chance to break lock & dodge. But in their doctrine it is a good idea, it allows even older aircraft that would be obsolete to fire & return before the opposition is even in range to fire back sending volleys of target seeking missiles to thin the attackers ranks, its always a tradeoff directed at countering each others strenghts.

[@MechanicaMenace]

@@DerDrecksack87 I don't personally think you can say that focus lead to them having vastly superior missile tech though. Just different doctrines, focuses, and workarounds for shortcomings. I mean Russia already deploying hypersonics hasn't made them any less worried about or believe they are any more capable to defend against Storm Shadow for example and they're subsonic and 23-30 year old tech. They obviously believe they have some great, in some ways world beating missile tech. But they also obviously don't believe others don't have missile tech that'd stomp on theirs even if it's in different ways.

[@popeofsimps2924]

for one of the very old sto klingon ships, definitely a nice looking ship, my favorite of sto's kdf fleet is always gonna be the bortasqu, but still a pretty nice look for a ship

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah and it really would fit well into lower decks

[@athena139c]

I’m surprised but nonetheless happy to see a ship chat on the Vor’kang. It is one of those few early STO ships that hold up surprisingly well, like the Mogh, Kurak, Avenger, and Odyssey. I also thought of the Vor’kang as a torpedo cruiser, with its striking similarity to the torpedo Vor’cha. The Klingons definitely were on to something good here. It’s a bit of a shame they didn’t take the idea and run with it. But it is funny that the Klingons saw the Akira and their thoughts were “Starfleet is on to something here but it’s a bit much.” If STO is to be believed and there is another Klingon Civil War, this ship could be a great asset for any houses looking to fight smarter. Maybe this ship in turn inspired Starfleet’s Europa-class, which also seems to boast a heavy torpedo battery.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah and klingon civil wars tend to favour those with mobility. Rather than who has the biggest guns so the vorkang is ideal for that.

[@acid0philus]

I love the Vor'kang! Was a great class, when it came out in the game, and still, all these years later, I like it.

[@xJavelin1]

"Significant emotional event". Straight from the Chieftain!

[@stab74]

It was a common expression when I was in the US Army. Good times.

[@KertaDrake]

You can actually see a reflection of philosophies in the weaponry of the various powers. The Klingons favor powerful disruptors and torpedoes that can hammer away with brute force, the Federation sticks to the precise scalpel of adjustable precision phaser beams and variable yield torpedoes, and the Romulans favor plasma torpedoes and precise, but powerful beam weaponry to ensure that a conflict ends at the first strike.

[@merafirewing6591]

And we know the Dominion would go with sheer brute force.

[@daanvos194]

​@@merafirewing6591and kamikaze Dont forget kamikaze

[@DeaconBlu]

Great vid Mike! Thank you! Certainly something to ponder. 😎👍

[@jeffhallam2004]

Cool enough! I enjoy these specialized ship chat! These longer videos are fantastic I just dont know how you fit it all in...

[@hanzo8120]

Damn, I like this slick design and for what it does/what role it has on the battlefield. This Ship is to be like a "CIC" and "Tactical Support" for Bird of Prey Wolf Packs. The Vor`Kang can pound above its Weight Class without a doubt, well it depends on the Captain/Commander and his Tactical Genius and Training. Just imagine the Klingons got someone that can "creatively think" like Admiral Thrawn from Star Wars and has some Fleets and serious numbers of Vor`Kang´s.

[@Uchilsson]

Very, very nice lore! Vor'Kang is a ship for smarter and more sofiticated klingon houses. It's nice ship to fly (I use it in STO some time ago)! :)

[@erictheblue7256]

I really like the Vor'Kang design. Ironic that your excellent video also references my favorite Star Trek design period: The Akira (closely followed by the Sovereign class).

[@lynngreen7978]

I'm looking forward to the sister classes: Vor'Koloth - every 24 hours it splits into 10 new ships Kor'Cha - the odds are in its favor, unless a Lightbulb is involved.

[@breembo]

That front view from the hammerhead.... I recognize it in the mirror.😂

[@trevtall1094]

Indirect (very long range) fire seems to be something that gets to be ignored in Trek and Sci Fi in general. Strange when how much it's used in modern ground combat, hell even Battletech has it.

[@NotQuiteSteele]

We do see it used in TNG’s The Wounded, where the Nebula was firing on Cardassian warships beyond their sensor and weapon ranges. Granted, the entire battle is described through readouts of the D’s sensors, but that’s just because it’s hard to show a BVR fight on screen. That’s the only example of it I can think of off the top of my head.

[@noabsolutelynot3660]

Tbf indirect fire is rendered useless by the absolutely ridiculous long range sensors most federation ships have. Subspace signals simply outpace any weapons they have, even ones used at warp, and there's no horizon or immovable objects to consider. Every ship, even behemoths like the galaxy class, are nimble enough to easily dodge.

[@stevebotham2018]

Klingon torpedo's during TOS & TMP era were the literal bomb. They had range & accuracy & a much higher yield that federation torpedo tech. The type 4 the enterprise was outfitted with was nothing in strength compared to what the D7 carried.

[@philly83]

The Klingons should've showed up in the Picard finale and just used the isometric disruptor

[@miamijules2149]

For All Your Great Work Venom! Awesomeness As Always!

[@shanenolan5625]

Cheers. Bravo on the star wars reference. Palpatine. Opera House. ( darth plegius the wise ). Oh negvar appears to fire torpedoes at the same time as the heavy disruptors, I suspect one weakened the Shield as the other penatrated. ? Small thing , the klingon cloak is supposed to be less advanced as the romulan, yet it appears to be able to transport, with the cloak active , and engage in long range communication including active continuous broadcast and data transfer. Without detection. In romulas orbit. ( unification part two ) odd I thought.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Good point. Romulan SOP would be to always move under cloak even in home territory so you just have to avoid being seen by other cloaked ships.

[@nonya1366]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I wonder how many accidental collisions romulans had?

[@hybridt]

Did i hear correctly when the word excessive was used related the weapons and kilngons 😂

[@danielseelye6005]

Like an orc saying Too Much Dakka. No such thing . 😋

[@wedgeantillies66]

A very interesting and compellingly logical video that makes for a terrific discussion upon such a lesser know ship. Certainly seems to a be ship that learns from the lessons of the dominion war in some respects as well as returning to some of the best Klingon ships and technology of the late 23rd century, creating an idea long range accurate torpedo battle cruiser that could be used in hit and run attacks, striking before the enemy knows they are there as well as serving as missile wing held back from the main action in large scaled battles.

[@aussie9570]

I know this isn't the way the Klingon's operate but I could see this ship also being a good one to plug holes in your fleet line Example A group of these ships Use The superior mobility move under cloak to a weak point in your line an attack from long range with torpedo volleys until a Mogh or other ships can Arrive to stabilise the line

[@cpt_bill366]

It looks more like the Ford Edsel class. I like the Mustang tail lights though.

[@starclone4]

Amazing ship design !!!! 😊

[@TravisSelassieSimbawafedha]

7 years making videos ... I found you yesterday .... Qapla!!!

[@Broockle]

so good 😀 I need to watch more Trek to get some of the events. I'm not really familiar with the Klingon War at all.

[@kenalbus]

The Vor'kang feels like a proper warship, in that it is designed to fill a specific role in fleet actions. However I feel it suffers when used outside it's element, whereas a ship like the Vor'cha (being more of a generalist) can be made to work in a variety of roles outside of an active war.

[@tullyDT]

You know how the clone wars made the frumpy old Y-wing look gorgeous by showing how it looked with it's original aerodynamic hull plating? Well I kinda feel that the same sort of effect happened with the transition from Vor'Cha to Vor'Kang

[@Relav1364]

Building on the Cold War analogy: Khitomer = CFE Treaty? Just a thought. Vorkang is cooooool. I know I like to give Klingon shipbuilding gruff for being brutes, but this is actually a very clever, very well thought out idea for a, as you said, a Nuclear Submarine in space. Just imagine being a poor Romulan suddenly getting WREKT by torpedoes out of nowhere. Splendid job as usual. Notifications of new videos are the highlights of any day

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Although to be a true nuclear sub it would need a quantum singularity. Fortunately for the romulans. Like all klingon ships it's range is limited.

[@mosser-wm3dx]

"Significant emotional event" only cultured men get this reference 🤣

[@pixelforge4858]

great well balanced design.

[@Grubnar]

This is a good video. Brings much glory to your house! Made me want to re-install Star Trek Online. I really liked the space combat in that game, but hated the ground combat.

[@justsoicanfingcomment5814]

It kind of reminds me of the promellian battle cruiser.

[@nathanielmeade5731]

I had see it as a kinda homogenized Vorcha and Negh'var, reminiscent of the Axanar D-6 when compared to the D-4 and D-5.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I'd say that was more the case for the mogh/kurak. I'd say it was much closer to the D4

[@KingRat71]

The bird of prey who fires the torpedoe while cloaked is not an example of a “imporved” or superior torpedoe. It was clear in the movie that it was a case of a superior cloaking device and the wekaness of it was that it required a ton of extra power to maintain that cloak. It was the “extra exhaust” from generating this power that the enterprise crew added a homing sensor onto their torpedoe so it could home in on that bird of prey. But otherwise the klingon torpedoe was just a normal photon torpedoe.

[@nightrunnerxm393]

"Restrained armament?" That...does not sound all that Klingon. Romulan, perhaps, but not Klingon. They _like_ killing their enemies in various nasty and (invariably) messy ways. You'd think they'd turn blowing up as many ships as possible in as short a time as possible into some kind of festival display. Like fireworks, y'know? For the Empire!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

But they also made the bird of prey which is a very modest little ship

[@barrybend7189]

Hey can you look at the Klingon lifetime destroyer from Star Trek Online.

[@joet5079]

That ship looks like Roberto from futurama.

[@TheValarClan]

Any shift that reminds me of the D7 is a good Klingon ship. This one does

[@enterprise1701e]

Loved this video. But, you're making me wonder... what are you building up to, if anything? Are we going to see your take on the Iconian War, and the numerous ships that were employed by the Big Three Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

No nothing specific. People just like me covering STO ships.

[@NotQuiteSteele]

JUSTICE FOR MY BOY! KAMARAG FOR LIFE!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I said some nice things :p

[@scpguy1381]

Is the venom verse based off of STO or Picard

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

Star Trek Renegades with Amaral Pavel Chekov Captain Tuvok it had a D8 working ship that was Gloria early in the movie and the Star Trek ship looked pretty good too think they call it the USS Archer

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah that design does work for a D8

[@ycplum7062]

I don't think it is the size of the starship that the Klingons dislike. I think it is the fact that it is not designed to close into knife fighting range to allow the commander to "smell the blood drawn".

[@thanqualthehighseer]

to increase range and accuracy the Vor'Kang can launch a fighter or shuttle that then cloaks and as it passes it's targeting data to the Vor'Kang and after it fires as the torpedoes close in the they switch to the cloaked fighters control and it guides them in to it's target.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

The only issue with that is cloaked fighters... those are quite rare.

[@thanqualthehighseer]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 i can see where they would be in limited numbers due to Klingon honor and expense. but O'brian was able to fit a cloaking device into something as small as mines so it is doable or if not a fighter a small probe for targeting corrections.

[@nathanielmeade5731]

How many of these Fighters could it carry though?

[@thanqualthehighseer]

@@nathanielmeade5731 it would only need one or two maybe three tops. think of it more like a fast shuttle for scouting/targeting than a fighter.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

I love how this shop manage to look like a praying mantis.

[@damiendarling7509]

Big star trek fan.i think this is a pretty bad ass looking ship like most klingon ship.by the way favourite star trek moment is the enterprise ramming the semitar 😂

[@onlycorndog6322]

Any chance of seeing a breakdown of the Vo'Devwl?

[@jessewilson2597]

So weird to think of the vorcha as the new kitinga

[@EdricLysharae]

"I was there at the dawn of the Third Age of Mankind, and the humans couldn't effectively get through Minbari shields then, either."

[@carlhearn108]

Looks more like the Etzel class to me. I cannot help but associate it with the Eclipse Super Star Destroyer from Star Wars

[@amyjojinkerson-b6o]

general Chang's bird of prey could fire while cloaked

[@shirak8]

Im tos thry used disruptors only. The whole on the nose was the msin sensor dish. They did not get torpedoes until the movie era.

[@DocWolph]

If the Klingons were solider culture, rather than a warrior culture, or just had leanings toward inning wars over just fighting them, the Vor'kang would have been adopted. A sniper missile/torpedo ship just sounds like a total kill app.

[@kennyhagan5781]

The original Kang was an early Emperor, who was so reviled that when he fell, they heated up his crown and stuck it back on his head, branding him. He didn't live long after that.

[@captnrobvious47]

I f*cking love this ship. Shotgunning multiple targets with a torpedo spread from this thing is so damned satisfying. 😫 Sure she's a bit of a glass cannon but the antimatter spread and other confusing abilities and gear really help tip the scales. Tho some thicker armor would be nice, I can't lie. The turn rate on this and the Kamarag/K'maj is absurd. A little difficult to handle like an over powered mustang but keeping all my forward weapons to bear makes things a little easier unless I'm fighting an escort ship of somekind... than I regret not having my tractor beam ability equipped.

[@athrunzala6919]

Has some Star Destroyer elements to it as well

[@Iceflkn]

Yeah, because Klingons being outgunned by the Akira class would say, "that's too much" and settle for less. Uh huh

[@jolemaire6629]

The statement that the borg are not a klingon problem is laughable. This design reminds me of the excelsior.

[@shmee123ful]

Have you ever considered covering and brakeing down ships from outher franchise like you do star trek ships and see how they stack up? I would love some coverage of starcraft ships

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I'd love to.... the algorithm would slaughter me.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

nice video as usual venom

[@Interns-Eternal-Empire]

i thought of a type of torpedo that would give any ship a bad time where its a sort of plasma torp where the plasma isntead of blowing up engolfs a ship before detonating which causes a lot more damage and on shields not so effective but unshielded ships might not be so lucky

[@robertsimpson7424]

Over kill with fire power for the Klingons, blasphemy!

[@eddierudolph8702]

The average Kentuckian's opinion is we never heard of overkill, Klingons hold the same opinion.

[@maxpayne930]

U pair this awesome sheep whit Luna (AWACS) and some Defieints and she is protected

[@KallenSC]

Nice design ship but it missing something for me.....Vor'cha class is still my fav Klingon ship

[@geekiusmaximus1882]

On the topic of the post-dominion war Klingon fleet, how long do you think it took to FINALLY phase out the B'rel completely?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I'd like to think about 2380-90 after 100 years of service

[@geekiusmaximus1882]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah makes sense...as much sense as using a 100-year old design makes...

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@venomgeekmedia9886we know that there would be more B'rels still in service long after it was retired.

[@---jx3ql]

Never understand why relay on ammo if you can fire energie for infinity. As second arma great but not as main

[@TheWoblinGoblin]

*the vorkang can, weeeeee caaaaaaan*

[@merafirewing6591]

Wouldn't this ship class be a throwback to the D4 and D7 and the D8?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yep

[@Bilskirnir3124]

So, the Klingon remote targeting telemetry means that thr Klingons have finally caught up to the USAF in the 2020s?😂

[@jpasby779]

Stealth in star trek is only Cloak. weight means nothing unless your too close to a celestial body.

[@paulbeaney4901]

When you realise that if it wasn't for praxis, this would be the klingons 30 years ago in this universe.😮.

[@paulbeaney4901]

(Addition) Or at least the 30 years ago equivalent as this really is a child of the D series.

[@trevtall1094]

Whatever politics harms the KDF, it can't compete with Fed's space hippies screwing up Starfleet lo!

[@amyjojinkerson-b6o]

streamlined

[@james8449100]

Aka the space Washington treaty

[@antonymash9586]

Your audio balance is a bit off. The music swells up to the point where it's kind of hard to make out what you are saying at points. Other than that good vid.

[@eddierudolph8702]

This ship seems like a D4 built for the 24th 25th century, with the Mogh or Vorcha classes taking the role of the D5. It would make a great compliment to them. While I would also like the late 24th century raptors as well as the Klingons battleships shown in Klingon Academy.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah kinda reverting back to 22nd century "doctrine"

[@MackeyDeez]

Honestly, I find Klingon warships to be flawed in application and design in comparison to starfleet ships

[@khanmandalor7227]

Klingon academy battleships please

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Ooofff those designs are... mixed

[@moejaime2654]

I💩 on the Klingons

[@michaelbatson8170]

The drum beat wasn’t a good thing, for your video. Found it to be irritating. Even more so when it’s just in one ear .